Shaine - there are FT's which rightly deserve a bit of sarcasm - such as the lady just now who wants to know how to shave properly or someone talking down about David Cameron or the leopard who tried to eat someone.
This, I would suggest, is not one of them. Take your sarcasm and ply it somewhere else.
oh well, I see that no one is interested in talking about this. Shame when we spend so much of our time on other such 'worthy' topics. For those of us who believe that a real injustice has taken place, let yourselves stand up and be counted.
Who is to say that the Uncle is the guardian, as far as the mother is concerned her son was kidnapped and she has never knowingly relinquished her place as his legal/moral/familial guardian - this is the whole point. Last time I check, kidnapping in Qatar was still against the law.
And as to the Homework, why stop the mother helping, what possible reason could they have?
All I can say is that those who are keeping this boy away from his mother must have hearts of stone. Not to even let his mother help him with his homework when she knows he is struggling - what possible harm could this do, except perhaps to highlight that they themselves are negligent guardians by not paying enough attention to his education as guardians should.
I've written this almost two years ago, my hunch was accurate
"it's tragic what the Jones family going through. However, the mother is to blame in the end. What was she thinking when she decided to visit Qatar!She was married to a Qatari for god sake, she must have known our laws. The boy was given a christian name, sent to a Missionary school & holds a British nationality. Why did she maintained his Qatari passport with the given Qatari name? I'm sure she knew that Dual Nationality is not allowed for Qataris, unless she was hoping that her son inherit his grandmother! It's obviously her fault.
She should have never kept the boy's Qatari passport.No matter how many times she'll appeal to court now, as long the court sees him as fawaz & he holds a Qatari nationality. The custody will remain with the deceased father family"
now...
It's really tragic what this women & her son going through
Here is the latest update from her website
Since May 2010 I now see my son at the Family Consulting Centre. We are locked in a room like criminals and given no privacy. Adam is searched after his visits. He is not allowed to bring his homework to the visits so I can help him although he is really struggling at school and receives no help or guidance from Fahad or his wife. Police and cameras watch our every move. We have been told not to laugh or make too much noise. We are not allowed to use the kitchen so I have to bring refreshments with me. Fahad stays for the whole visit not trusting the centre to let my son out by mistake in case he tries to escape. He spends this time trying to blacken my reputation and convince the centre that I should not be trusted and that given the opportunity I will try to run.
Our case has been brought to the attention of the Prime Minister of Qatar and discussed on several occasions with senior officials of both the British and Qatar Government. A request to grant me a resident permit in Qatar is one of the stipulations required in order to file an appeal to regain custody of my son. This request was made by William Hague to the PM of Qatar and is pending for the last 5 months. Adam in desperation has written a letter to the Prime Minister in the UK begging him to help him. It’s an absolute disgrace that a child should be put through such a horrendous ordeal at his young age.
Our lives have been ruined, our happy family torn apart but more importantly my son’s childhood has been taken away from him. There is one thing for sure though, no matter how long it takes, I will never give up on Adam and will continue our fight for his freedom until I draw my last breath.
I find it interesting that apart from the usual suspects (F/man, B/Exp) no one has commented on this - of course except the extremists (you know who you are). Are people just plain not interested or are they fearful?
So, tricking is ok, duping people is ok, trusting someone is ok? She only got married so that she would not be arrested. The only thing she did wrong was be fair and reasonable to her ex husbands family. She should never have been so trusting, she should never have been so kind as to repeatedly bring her son to visit his family. All this brought her was lies and deception from people she thought she could trust. I find it shocking that you can condone their duplicity. And by the way, Qatar fought to be recognized on the world stage, well, low and behold they got the spotlight they craved and sometimes that spotlight can be painful.
excetly thats what i am talking about Ma'am ! she did not know sh-it but still she got pregnant with his child and married him, WHY ? ? ? i guess you know the answer. you should know another think tho, per qatari law children lives with his/her fathers family no matter what. kidnapping, well his uncle did not kidnap him, she signed the paper that the boy can live with his fathers family so they took him. i know what you’re gonna say now ! she was tricked ! well, she was stupid enough to fell for it.
2012 - have you actually read the article. she is not a single mother. She is married and has another child. Yet again, you open your mouth and remove all doubt about who you are
you are very strange. Another thing, if you had read the article properly, the mother did not know there was any legacy until it was pointed out by her ex-husband's family. All of this is besides the point, this is not a notmal custody battle and correct me if I am wrong but even here in qatar I believe that kidnap is a criminal offence
Boy is better off with large family than with single mother who is bit crazy it seem. bigger family can be there or him. judge must have seen this fact.
no Sir i would rather not ! i was tryna say that there are too much cultural moral and law related difference between these two country. it is clear as well that she did not marry him because they were in love. she said she had to marry him because she would lost her job if she didn't as she was pregnant which is bullsh-it, and she is stupid too she marry someone for her job !! what about the greedy part tho ? well, i am sure she loves her son and she wants him back as well as those £1 million . if she left him here in Qatar then she will not get these money but if she can take him to the UK there is a hope, as simple as that, you can hate me because i speak the truth. and the Al Madhaki family doesn't want their boy and the money to be taken away. hello its a greedy world !
actually, it is attitudes like yours that will ensure that nothing will ever change. Not sure what the picture and the comments about walking round naked have to do with anything, except to show up your own prejudices
greedy part , lets not go there honey ! all i am saying is you and i can't do nothing about it as she is the one who made her choice. all i am saying is why on the earth a brit has to marry a qatari, its like these two country is from two different planet!! you guys prefer to walk naked on the street and they put on these black thing, you feel me what i am saying and this is not it, i could go on and on....[[wysiwyg_imageupload:754:]]
don't you mean Gas? Anyway, if that were the case, why did she not seek to take control of her sons 'estate' the moment her ex-husband died, she had every right to as his mother and guardian. The only time this was an issue was when it was brought up by his family and she knew that this meant trouble and what the whole kidnapping was about. it is not her that comes out of this looking greedy but his family
Jez ! i bet she didn't realize this would happen when she slept with Jamal because all she saw was Oil ! lol ! i ain't sympathize for you Rebbeca because it didn't feel right from the beginning. there is nothing common about a brit and a qatari, stay away from each other.please nigga !
Anyway, back to this thread. I feel very sorry for this lady and frustrated that there is very little I can do. The only thing we can do (for those that are as outraged as myself) is to highlight it in public forums such as this and to keep talking about it.
jjj75--that's terrible. I feel very sorry for your friend, and I hope she is able to find justice. If the local was male and she was alone with him, the police will unfortunately be slow to prosecute--partly it is because the attacker is local, but a lot of it has to do with male chauvinism. I suspect that, depending on the situation, a male attacker would get away with an assault regardless of his nationality nine times out of ten (at least). The exception would be males of a lower status assaulting a woman (i.e. an Sri Lankan gardener assaulting an Egyptian mother).
i know someone (female) who was beaten up by a local and afterwards she had a 'visit' from a 'friendly' family member who told her not to take it any further with the police (they were called to the hospita,l which is protocol). She initially listend to their advice because she was in pain and shock. She, however change her mind and was indignant that she was asked not to complain or take it any further. The case is still ongoing after a long length of time and it appears that nothing will happen to this local person .
Shaine, It depends on your nationality and your employer/profession, the local's condition (i.e. was he drunk), witnesses, and the importance of the local amongst his fellow nationals.Generally law enforcement favors locals, but not to the extent that the lowest local is given immunity against harming others. I've been in accidents (both as the driver and as a passenger with locals). In cases where it was clearly the Qatari driver's fault, he/she was cited. In marginal cases, they received the benefit of the doubt. In one instance the other driver (clearly at fault) attempted to blame my colleague and became very threatening. When the police came they entirely dismissed him and told him off. Having said that, I am a wealthy white expat with immediate access to Arab speakers and Qataris who work for either me or my company. I wouldn't want to be a Sri Lankan maid in the same situation.My advice is don't get into a physical fight with anyone, regardless of nationality.
However, this is not a straight forward custody battle between ex spouses in respect to a child who had dual nationality. This is common a garden kidnap and sadly it now seems has nothing to do with the welfare of the child but all to do with his inheritance
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Shaine - there are FT's which rightly deserve a bit of sarcasm - such as the lady just now who wants to know how to shave properly or someone talking down about David Cameron or the leopard who tried to eat someone.
This, I would suggest, is not one of them. Take your sarcasm and ply it somewhere else.
yes, it's a private english school
Any idea what school this boy goes to? I wonder if its one of the private schools.
who would have been deported Shaine - your comment does not make any sense
oh well, I see that no one is interested in talking about this. Shame when we spend so much of our time on other such 'worthy' topics. For those of us who believe that a real injustice has taken place, let yourselves stand up and be counted.
Who is to say that the Uncle is the guardian, as far as the mother is concerned her son was kidnapped and she has never knowingly relinquished her place as his legal/moral/familial guardian - this is the whole point. Last time I check, kidnapping in Qatar was still against the law.
And as to the Homework, why stop the mother helping, what possible reason could they have?
From what I read once in local forum, fahad( the boy's uncle & guardian now) wife is an American , why wouldn't she help with his homework ?
All I can say is that those who are keeping this boy away from his mother must have hearts of stone. Not to even let his mother help him with his homework when she knows he is struggling - what possible harm could this do, except perhaps to highlight that they themselves are negligent guardians by not paying enough attention to his education as guardians should.
Tragic is the only way to describe this.
I've written this almost two years ago, my hunch was accurate
"it's tragic what the Jones family going through. However, the mother is to blame in the end. What was she thinking when she decided to visit Qatar!She was married to a Qatari for god sake, she must have known our laws. The boy was given a christian name, sent to a Missionary school & holds a British nationality. Why did she maintained his Qatari passport with the given Qatari name? I'm sure she knew that Dual Nationality is not allowed for Qataris, unless she was hoping that her son inherit his grandmother! It's obviously her fault.
She should have never kept the boy's Qatari passport.No matter how many times she'll appeal to court now, as long the court sees him as fawaz & he holds a Qatari nationality. The custody will remain with the deceased father family"
now...
It's really tragic what this women & her son going through
Here is the latest update from her website
Since May 2010 I now see my son at the Family Consulting Centre. We are locked in a room like criminals and given no privacy. Adam is searched after his visits. He is not allowed to bring his homework to the visits so I can help him although he is really struggling at school and receives no help or guidance from Fahad or his wife. Police and cameras watch our every move. We have been told not to laugh or make too much noise. We are not allowed to use the kitchen so I have to bring refreshments with me. Fahad stays for the whole visit not trusting the centre to let my son out by mistake in case he tries to escape. He spends this time trying to blacken my reputation and convince the centre that I should not be trusted and that given the opportunity I will try to run.
Our case has been brought to the attention of the Prime Minister of Qatar and discussed on several occasions with senior officials of both the British and Qatar Government. A request to grant me a resident permit in Qatar is one of the stipulations required in order to file an appeal to regain custody of my son. This request was made by William Hague to the PM of Qatar and is pending for the last 5 months. Adam in desperation has written a letter to the Prime Minister in the UK begging him to help him. It’s an absolute disgrace that a child should be put through such a horrendous ordeal at his young age.
Our lives have been ruined, our happy family torn apart but more importantly my son’s childhood has been taken away from him. There is one thing for sure though, no matter how long it takes, I will never give up on Adam and will continue our fight for his freedom until I draw my last breath.
I find it interesting that apart from the usual suspects (F/man, B/Exp) no one has commented on this - of course except the extremists (you know who you are). Are people just plain not interested or are they fearful?
So, tricking is ok, duping people is ok, trusting someone is ok? She only got married so that she would not be arrested. The only thing she did wrong was be fair and reasonable to her ex husbands family. She should never have been so trusting, she should never have been so kind as to repeatedly bring her son to visit his family. All this brought her was lies and deception from people she thought she could trust. I find it shocking that you can condone their duplicity. And by the way, Qatar fought to be recognized on the world stage, well, low and behold they got the spotlight they craved and sometimes that spotlight can be painful.
excetly thats what i am talking about Ma'am ! she did not know sh-it but still she got pregnant with his child and married him, WHY ? ? ? i guess you know the answer. you should know another think tho, per qatari law children lives with his/her fathers family no matter what. kidnapping, well his uncle did not kidnap him, she signed the paper that the boy can live with his fathers family so they took him. i know what you’re gonna say now ! she was tricked ! well, she was stupid enough to fell for it.
I would love to know where 2012 is really from?
that's the point -2012 cant read!!
2012 - have you actually read the article. she is not a single mother. She is married and has another child. Yet again, you open your mouth and remove all doubt about who you are
Ali
you are very strange. Another thing, if you had read the article properly, the mother did not know there was any legacy until it was pointed out by her ex-husband's family. All of this is besides the point, this is not a notmal custody battle and correct me if I am wrong but even here in qatar I believe that kidnap is a criminal offence
Boy is better off with large family than with single mother who is bit crazy it seem. bigger family can be there or him. judge must have seen this fact.
my prejudice ! oh come on i like chicks walking naked on the street even running when those things bounce up and down !
no Sir i would rather not ! i was tryna say that there are too much cultural moral and law related difference between these two country. it is clear as well that she did not marry him because they were in love. she said she had to marry him because she would lost her job if she didn't as she was pregnant which is bullsh-it, and she is stupid too she marry someone for her job !! what about the greedy part tho ? well, i am sure she loves her son and she wants him back as well as those £1 million . if she left him here in Qatar then she will not get these money but if she can take him to the UK there is a hope, as simple as that, you can hate me because i speak the truth. and the Al Madhaki family doesn't want their boy and the money to be taken away. hello its a greedy world !
F/Man
well said. Ali, please give us some more of your comments, they are so enlightening
I think the two women are looking at the blonde with great envy, admiring her ability to express herself and walk so confidently.
ali...
actually, it is attitudes like yours that will ensure that nothing will ever change. Not sure what the picture and the comments about walking round naked have to do with anything, except to show up your own prejudices
Oh do go on alialibin . . .
greedy part , lets not go there honey ! all i am saying is you and i can't do nothing about it as she is the one who made her choice. all i am saying is why on the earth a brit has to marry a qatari, its like these two country is from two different planet!! you guys prefer to walk naked on the street and they put on these black thing, you feel me what i am saying and this is not it, i could go on and on....[[wysiwyg_imageupload:754:]]
Alialalibin
don't you mean Gas? Anyway, if that were the case, why did she not seek to take control of her sons 'estate' the moment her ex-husband died, she had every right to as his mother and guardian. The only time this was an issue was when it was brought up by his family and she knew that this meant trouble and what the whole kidnapping was about. it is not her that comes out of this looking greedy but his family
Jez ! i bet she didn't realize this would happen when she slept with Jamal because all she saw was Oil ! lol ! i ain't sympathize for you Rebbeca because it didn't feel right from the beginning. there is nothing common about a brit and a qatari, stay away from each other.please nigga !
Anyway Shaine
back to the topic. i am very interested to hear what locals make of this story
Anyway, back to this thread. I feel very sorry for this lady and frustrated that there is very little I can do. The only thing we can do (for those that are as outraged as myself) is to highlight it in public forums such as this and to keep talking about it.
jjj75--that's terrible. I feel very sorry for your friend, and I hope she is able to find justice. If the local was male and she was alone with him, the police will unfortunately be slow to prosecute--partly it is because the attacker is local, but a lot of it has to do with male chauvinism. I suspect that, depending on the situation, a male attacker would get away with an assault regardless of his nationality nine times out of ten (at least). The exception would be males of a lower status assaulting a woman (i.e. an Sri Lankan gardener assaulting an Egyptian mother).
F/Man
i know someone (female) who was beaten up by a local and afterwards she had a 'visit' from a 'friendly' family member who told her not to take it any further with the police (they were called to the hospita,l which is protocol). She initially listend to their advice because she was in pain and shock. She, however change her mind and was indignant that she was asked not to complain or take it any further. The case is still ongoing after a long length of time and it appears that nothing will happen to this local person .
The news report says that he has dual nationality. i was just saying that in such cases the foreign office does not like to intervene..
Shaine, It depends on your nationality and your employer/profession, the local's condition (i.e. was he drunk), witnesses, and the importance of the local amongst his fellow nationals.Generally law enforcement favors locals, but not to the extent that the lowest local is given immunity against harming others. I've been in accidents (both as the driver and as a passenger with locals). In cases where it was clearly the Qatari driver's fault, he/she was cited. In marginal cases, they received the benefit of the doubt. In one instance the other driver (clearly at fault) attempted to blame my colleague and became very threatening. When the police came they entirely dismissed him and told him off. Having said that, I am a wealthy white expat with immediate access to Arab speakers and Qataris who work for either me or my company. I wouldn't want to be a Sri Lankan maid in the same situation.My advice is don't get into a physical fight with anyone, regardless of nationality.
Brit... since you aren't allowed to have dual nationality in Qatar...
and as far as I know, this kid is still under a British passport.
I didn't realize this STILL hasn't be resolved. :-(
However, this is not a straight forward custody battle between ex spouses in respect to a child who had dual nationality. This is common a garden kidnap and sadly it now seems has nothing to do with the welfare of the child but all to do with his inheritance
Yes, i'm surprised that the foreign office hasn't had more success.. Perhaps its because of the dual nationality..
Shaine
yup, he would claim you beat him up, not the other way around
I just find it shocking that it is still on going
sorry if it was put on here before, I did look but could not see it
Is this the same story ?
http://www.qatarliving.com/node/767126