British - Looted the world - wht do you say??
How many lands were invaded by british in the past???
How many people were slaughterd and shot by them for trade and money?
How many places were ruled using all their weaknesses??
How if all those victimised countries ask british to pay back those trillions??
Why and Why the international community is keeping quite on those brutal , known to the world crime committed by British?? Doesnt it deserve a postmortum??
that like all other threads it had run its course.
WOW what a thread :) an excellent read. why was this stopped there ?
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"silly things like religion."
Wait till QL Mullahs see this :)
First Dutch tried their luck, later English and French ,
Finally Alponso de Albequerque (Portuguese) captured Goa from Yousuf Ali Shah in bloody massacre. Mosques were converted into churches
British were focused on wealth then silly things like religion.
We did not screw up the English language, we just modified and made it more practical, instead of using that funny "British English" accent. We call it: "The American English" with many accents, that it is more acceptable to others.
LOL
You have a beautiful American Independence Day!
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Lets not even forget that the brits taught the indians how to play cricket...and now they get beaten at it...lol
Lets not forget that........
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Agreed...that the brits ruled india for 200 years...but what the indians did...they scr@w#d up the english language forever...lol
LOL...Britexpat, luv Hyderabadi Slang.(even tho cant follow it very well) Somebody had mailed me a 'dictionary' on it recently n it was hilarious!!
Cool.. thanks guys. you both made it much more interesting.
None taken.. We discuss, argue, agree/disagree and hopefully learn from each other..
That was a good one :)) I'm just trying to find a way to make the world a better place for us and the next generation. Don't take any of this personally Britexpat. Cheers.
Great analogy..
Perhaps India will now use its financial muscle to blow away the UK, France and the Dutch.. They've already bought Tetley Tea, Jaguar and Land Rover. Mittal is one of the richest men in Europe.
Time for me to look for a job in Hyderabad and seek Indian nationality..
Take it easy britexpat. We're just having an intellectual debate here. The fact that france portugal the moguls and whoever else did te same crime doesn't contribute to your argument. The fact remains that if you have evidence of a crime and can trace it back to someone then you have a case. QED.
The logic here is simple. Just watch CSI or Cold Case and you got it. At the time of the crime the transgressor usually has the overhand (otherwise he wouldn't be able to carry out his crime;)) But after time passes evidence surfaces and he is brought to justice. Otherwise you have the Samuel Jackson scenario from the movie where the black 9 year old girl gets raped by two white guys. What happens in the end? He blows them away in the courthouse with an AK. And in the end gets acquitted! I loved that movie :)
about these things, yet a minority harp on about it..
Injustices have occurred yes. Why just Britain to answer?
Muslim invasions from the Middle East began, towards the end of the 12th century. Babur and the rise of the Mughal empire as with the Ghaznavis. Should their relatives now be asked for apologies and sued for compensation.
AS far as the British go. The Portuguese were the first Europeans to settle in India, in Goa, in the fifteenth century (1498). The Dutch East India company was there in then early 1600s and used Cochin as a base. The French were present in Pondicherry.
You could say that they all looted India in one form or another. Will you aske them for apologies and recompense?
I think not!
Why not brit.. Had you used your power to commit a crime 20 years back gets proved now. You would be behind the bars.
OR would they say , no reliase understand aand be a good boy now on??
Why do you keep saying they had power..so what??. they can use it for their good. not to kill and loot people
You can't just gloss over the past and say we'll learn and never do it again. If injustice has been done there has to be some gesture of reconciliation in order to move on as I said previously. Take the Japanese stance for example. They just glossed over their past and are now in Hell's kitchen with China. The only thing keeping the chinese back is the military treaty signed with the US, but if that is not renwed for any reason, then say goodbye to your Toyota.
Abuse of power just because you have the means to do it is no justification. It remains an abuse and a crime. In the modern age we live in presidents get impeached and tried for such abuse, such as Sukarno and Pinochet among others. It takes a lot of courage and humbleness for a powerful state to apologise to a weaker state, but if it doesn't, one day the weaker will want to pay back tenfold for not facing up to this deed. And why is simplistic meant as a negative term. Never heard of "KISS"? The world is cyclic,yes, and think what will happen if the balance of power shifts in favour of the previously weak. "Slave driver.. the tables are turning.. catch a fire.. you're bout to get burned" Author: Bob Marley.
Agreed. This is true in today's society. It was not the case in the past.
Those with power, used the power to further their own goals. Part of life.
We can learn the past to learn and make a better future, but complaining and asking for apologies, reperations is not the answer.
None of your examples tells stories of invading, ruling and looting another country birtexpat.
This is a diffrent story.. if you have power that doesnt mean that you can intrude in to ma house and take ma wealth and feed you babies.
How many Indians are educated from UK ??..
Its a 1.3 billion country, and the percentage getting gradutaed from abroad is less than 0.01 %. Comeon India has N number of universities and they dont follow any of the GCE curriculums too.neither has a penny as educational aid from any country too.
The last aid india had was an irrigation related one from denmark which india stopped with a thanks letter last year.
You are terribily mistaken Gypsy.
If you r talkin abt IIT's/IIM's most of the help has come from the erstwhile USSR.
I hav not heard abt any education grants coming from Commonwealth. shud say this is new to me.
...The Commonwealth of Nations, usually known as the Commonwealth, is a voluntary association of 53 independent sovereign states, most of which are former British colonies, or dependencies of these colonies...
...common values and goals, as outlined in the Singapore Declaration.[1] These include the promotion of democracy, human rights, good governance, the rule of law, individual liberty, egalitarianism, free trade, multilateralism, and world peace,[2] and are carried out through multilateral projects and meetings....
Doesnt anywer talk abt education grants.
Even if that was the case..How does being part of that become a reason for ineligibility for being apologised to?
I mean a commonwealth, by virtue of its declared objectives,. is not really an aid organisation, is it?
I agree with your points, but believe that you are being too simplistic.
The Palestinina issue needs to be resolved for the sake of all parties - agreed.
That the British coloniolism is a cause of bitter feuds still and needs to be discussed with a view to possible aplogies and reperations - I do not agree with.
Simply put. Britain, like Spain, Portugal and Holland had power then. They used that power to "further their own aims".
This is cyclic. Today, India and China are becoming powerhouses. India is flexing its muscle in the region with relation to Pakistan, Bangladesh and Kashmir. China is keeping Taiwan at bay, whilst exerting power over Tibet etc.
These are facts of life. The strong feed on the weak. Yes there are more institutions now and more controls in place to counter this, then those days of the Raj, but the the strong still have their say.
Russia, America and to some extent UK and France , still exert great power in the world and take actions which could be contrued as "offensive".
One of the most basic human rights is the right to life. And any violation of this right is dealt with the severest penalty applicable by law in any country. Human dignity is also such a right and I quote from the german constitution after WW2 : "Article 1: The dignity of a human being is untouchable". These laws were put in place to guarantee that such crimes as the holocaust are not repeated whether by the government or by any occupational force. To second these rights to commercial benefit does not whipe the slate clean and emotions will resurface sooner or later unless such issues are addressed directly and honestly.
The Commonwealth agreement has played a huge part in India becoming an economic powerhouse now, the Commonwealth University agreements alone are responsible for the educated professionals in your country.
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Gypsy:I fail to see how common wealth membership,in itself, would make any country an economic powerhouse, can u explain?
LOL.. which agreement. India is a powerhouse now because of the commionwealth agreement?.. you must be kidding gypsy.
Well, Gypsy, depends on whether they r askin apology for occupation itself or the loss of life/oppression during the occupation. There is a difference , right?
It's a lot more than a commercial agreement. And that particular agreement is one of the reasons India is the economic powerhouse it is today. I really don't think they have a leg to stand on when asking for an apology.
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Coomonwealth membership means you accept all those s**ts british did??
LOL.. thats funny
This shows India is moving on focussed on the future associating and supporting the unity of commoninterest countries.
No need of appologies, no need of compensations. Accept the fact that they have done this to the world and its people. Most of them were poor. And soon they will start paying all this off..rather they have started to..
Does being part of a commercial agreement automatically resolve historic disputes? And even if that is the case, if such an agreement is not accepted by the general poulation in terms of democratic representation of the signing government, then the case is reopened. These issues must be resolved in an open and transparent manner otherwise it will remain a potential cause for future conflict.And Winn: it does matter, cause you and I want to live in a peaceful world and new wars based on old grudges are not in either our interests. And Britexpat: to say that such things just happen does not resolve anything. You have to "face the music" to use one of your british proverbs.
India is part of the Commonwealth, which means it's accepted Britain's roll in it's past, and there's no need for an apology. If you don't accept Britain's roll you shouldn't be part of the Commonwealth.
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As long as there is undisputed historical proof of a crime, and there is somebody makgin a claim to apology and compensation, then there is a case to be addressed. If anybody can trace their origin back to the date of the event and the origin of the transgressor to the same date then the case is theoretically legally valid. Of course the further you go back in history, the more difficult that gets so such cases as the roman empire and the 5th century english become lost on that technicallity. But 200 years is historically very recent and Mayasunil has the right to address this issue. Even more recent is the Palestinian cause for that matter and their case is still very valid and very current and if not addressed, will be the cause for another regional, maybe global war between faiths and races. Don't you agree? After all, we all want a safer world free of war and suffering no?
Dohasteve - How can you be so silly.
Do you think talking English is a big damn deal???
How abt russia , china, japan..etc etc.
Most of the indians atleast manage your language. Do you know a word in any of the indian local languages?? LOL
by theway , how come all the call centres and all those softwares you are using now in English medium came from india.. were you there to assist them??
I do not agree that you can equate the holocaust to what happened in India. The jews were exterminated mostly in their then homeland by their own rulers.
The goings on in India were mainly due to a revolt by the locals. Rightly, because they wanted to do away with the British.
Simple fact is that in times of occupation or war, attrocities occur. look at Kashmir in India's own back yard.
I do not agree with the aoplogy and compensation aspect. too many grey areas.
Mr.Paul: Angles pillaged whom? All your quote says is that they 'settled' in England. n if they settled in England, the current inhabitants are their descendents. so who shud they apologise to??
As a matter of debate I wud say hashimo is talkin abt the modern times(20th century) n your comparison is too dated.
P.S- I cudnt care a hoot who apologises to whom coz it wont change anything that happend or make anyone's life any better.
But at what point do you say enough is enough? Do we go back in and start making Italy apologize for the Roman Empire?
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Germany has apologised to all the nations that it invaded in WW2 both verbally and financially for your information Mr. Paul. That I find an honourable stance and it allows the pains of the past to heal and paves the way for a new start of collateral relations based on trust and committment to never repeat those dark chapters of history again. Japan's stance toward China, on the other hand, is very offensive and is the main cause in the troubled relations between the 2 countries which occasionally flares up in the form of skirmishes and could possibly trigger a new regional war. So it does pay to admit the mistakes of the past in order to move on to a new era, don't you agree?
(From Wiki)
" England is named after the Angles, the largest of the Germanic tribes who settled in England in the 5th and 6th centuries, and who are believed to have originated in the peninsula of Angeln, in what is now Denmark and northern Germany."
So you invaded and pilaged us, so are you gonna pay up and apologise as well ?
And how about Poland and all the other countries you invaded and destroyed, burning books and the like......
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I find the ignorance of most responses to this thread surprising. Mayasunil is opening an historical debate that doesn't deserve all this scorn and contempt. Israel is till this day demanding compensation from Germany for crimes against humanity in WW2. The aboriginees demanded a formal apology from the australian government for the same and got it. China is still demanding for a formal apology from Japan on the systematic rape that was sponsored by the japanese gov in WW2. What made Bob Marley so popular in the 70's and till today? It was his outcry for justice and every nation's accountability for its past. To respond to such a debate in the manner I've seen posted on this page so far is really a sign of ignorance and indifference that can only come from someone who doesn't value human life over and above all else. To justify the crimes of colonial era with the so-called infrastructural benefits is really decadent and those who replied in that manner wouldn't mind doing it all over again I'm sure. And that is the point of this debate: if you agree that it was wrong then you must admit to it and commit to preventing it from happenning again. No how about some intellectual comments instead of the sh*t that has been posted so far?
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I was bored at work and logged in; haven't seen this thread in a couple of days and it's very entertaining.
A quick question to Maya: is any of the focus on your booming country going to be on how to speak English properly? I just wondered when it would be safe to dial a call centre again.
Thanks ever so much.
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Any actual comments ?
Do you agree or disagree ?
Excellent Thread Maya! I appreciate ur writings... its awesome. Absolutely thrilling I must say.
Keep up ur gud work. I love the boldness and will filled in you.
Gud to read some worthy topics in QL other than the usual/ regular fools gay topics.
10 outta 10 to you.
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Forget it. I very well know wht the post is.
Just leave it if its annoying you. let the ones interested discuss. seeya
Ok, I think you need to go back and re-read your forum topic.
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believe what?
I was responding your comparison on the numbers killed..
If that's what you believe Maya then why start this thread?
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grudge? to whom?. to the new brit gen you mean.people like you amd paul are mistook me there. I am discussing the past , a history . none existing now have any hand in that, why shud they be blamed..
Your comments from Judd are out of context, and refer to the Cawnpore massacre which angered the British because of the profligate slaughter of women and children. Their treatment of them was arrogant and careless but they were not the demons throughout that these comments suggest.
What lesson is that exactly? How to hold a grudge?
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Not condoning what they did in that "era".
Prejudices , both racial and ethnic are rife in India even today. Look at the incidents in Punjab regarding Hindu / muslims. The killings of christiam missionaries and also the caste system which still exists.
They are not thriving brit . the country is booming rather..and they are focussed too.
But we the new gen should be discussing all these i guess, the mistakes, the brutality..which effected the lives of millions as a result.
I am not able to ignore it that easily saying.. old/ 200 years//india were not united//brits wer stronger... they are just reasons not justifications.
Its history. and can be left aside but let the lesson remain with us to move on.
Gypsy N BritExpat...they are doing all that... We've moved on, its just thats a few people are still stuck in the past.
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Agreed Britexpat. They need to do what the Natives are doing and stop looking at the past and start looking towards the future.
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The rights and wrongs of occupation can be discussed till the cows come home.
The fact is that it happened. Britain was Great and India weak. Whether India was looted is again open to discussion.
Its history. India is thriving now and they should focus on the future..
Gypsys.. i have no comments on stating Brits were better for killing only 1000s and not 10000s.
cheers
Really Maya I think we all know and understand what good/bad the British/Indians did- thats why its there in our history books and some people do extensive study on it to understand the mistakes our ancestors did and not to repeat it again. I am Indian and I really feel sorry for the loss we and other countries faced during that time. But its time we move on and focus on the current issues which are more than enough to take up another century to resolve. You fighting with Mr.Paul is not going to solve anything, rather I would feel its more of an attempt at getting some attention.
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Gypsy/ britexpat ;;;
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British cruelty towards Indians who fought them in 1857 was barbarous. General Neill is quoted as saying: “I wish to show the Natives of India that the punishment inflicted by us for such deeds will be the heaviest, the most revolting to their feelings…” The British ruthlessly sacked the rebel town of Jhansi. Judd quotes a British historian as saying: “Fires were blazing everywhere…In the lanes and streets people were crying pitifully, hugging the corpses of their dear ones…Not only did the English soldiers kill those who happened to come in their way, but they broke into houses and hunted out people hidden in barns, rafters and obscure dark corners. They explored the inmost recesses of temples and filled them with dead bodies of priests and worshippers. They took the greatest toll of the weavers’ locality, where they killed some women too. At the sight of white soldiers some people tried to hide in haystacks…but the pitiless demons did not leave them alone…They set the haystacks on fire and hundreds were burnt alive…” Judd reports that “blatant racial prejudice was commonplace in British India…”
by Denis Judd, Oxford University Press, 234 pp
I know all this maya, but the point is, this was happening everywhere, and you were LUCKY it was the Brits because if it had been someone else it wouldn't have been 1000's it would have been 10,000s or 100,000s.
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ya brit.. its one point which has surprised me too.. They were not very keen on spreading christianity there. My be the priority was something else.. lol
The points are fine.. the positives India had.. I wish you had the negatives also quoted down , which would be 10 times wht you have pasted.
Gypsy my dear. people were killed .. in 1000s..not for not kissing cross. not for being their slaves.
They wre taken in 10000s to Andman nicobar jails..none came back. they were shot in dumped in wells. They were locked in goods wagons and they died like dogs breathless.
To true Britexpat, in regards to converting the Brit's were far better then the French and the Spanish, who converted by the sword, killing anyone who wouldn't bend down and kiss the cross.
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COPIED AND PASTED;
British Have done more good than bad.
a)They freed us of BARBARIAN MUSLIM rulers.If not for them major part of india would have been Islamicized.
b)They united us.Political unity after some decades leads to complete unity.
c)THEY HAVE NOT,EVEN IN THEIR DREAMS,tried to desroy our great cultural heritage.Look at Latin America ,whose culture and language were exterminated by spaniards.They(Brits) never laid their hands on any temple.It is surprising that you did not compare them with other imperial powers of that time.
d)They saved us from being a satellite state to Russia during Stalin’s regime.Russia with it’s immense power would have influenced us if not invaded us.At that point of time we were pathetic.
e)They have given us english,which engraved the ideas of free speech and democracy in our minds.Of course our love for peace also helped a great deal in attaining a working and stable democracy.
f)They invested heavily in railways.Look at the statistics and the amount ofnew railway lines we have added after our independence.It is just pathetic!!!!
g)Our distrust towards the Raj stems from the false impression that our society was educated and balanced as japanese etc.,.And we were stymied only by greedy brits.They were greedy,but they have given us or rather we have taken some good ideas from them.We had a largely back ward looking rural society with zero potential for development at that time.
h)They did not try to rub christianity on our heads.Look at Goa ,a portugese colony.It is largely a christian community with no resemblance to rest of the country.
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Dont care buddy .. thats how its been .. and you just another.
let the thread be for those who cares. take care ya??
cheers.
So i will say it again..... I DONT CARE !!!
Go tell it to the Embassy, see how far yer will get.....
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when im home from work.
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Thats why that nation is saved. Ifthey had to pay back wht they owe..
Britian would be begging for aid to the whole world.
Go back and conquer those cases of beer and wine, is much better to be a drunk pirate than a sober Son of Gun criticizing the past Empires!!
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Brit.. come on.. Advanterous?? ruled???
They were intruders, thieves who went around the whole world and looted.
To come back to what you say: actually, the Brits insinuated themselves into India, putting on a show of what was calculated to impress the Indians, knowing that if the natives could actually see what their country was really like they might not be quite so dazzled. It was a trial and error process, to a certain degree, starting out as the East India Company, almost losing through their arrogance and lack of attention in the 1857 mutiny and then performing the "white man's burden" and governing with a tight fist for the 80 years thereafter before things imploded. The point I make is that they were opportunistic, pragmatic, and pretty damned smart - among other less desirable things. They creatively made the most of their situation and gradually sucked the country dry - initially even with the blessing of the Mughals who had no idea what was about to hit them.
Secondly, regarding oil as a commodity: if it wasn't for the House of Saud's inextricable links with Washington, and their pouring of plentiful oil onto the world market to keep costs low (what they are trying to do at the current moment) oil would have been subject to far more volatile pricing and thus the world economy (and with it, Western hegemony) would have grown at a far slower rate.
By still agreeing to sell it at 'market value', rather than hold the world to ransom and sell at, say, strictly 200 euros a barrel to the West all the time - and a discounted 50 euros to their friends in the Far East - they strengthen the power of a capitalist system which will do nothing for them in their time of need. Thus their love of money tragically (for them) comes before strategic aforesight: that was what I meant.
yes the British looted, and so did many before them, so did alexander and now its US who is going to do the same.
Gypsy -
Follow the Windsor tree to its Hanover roots and tell me how much the Germans sucked :P
Nice read... all I can say is What goes around comes around...
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Thanks to RP for enlightening us.. t shows that the British had a more varied empire, becase they were mre adventurous.
The British ruled, whilst the Frggies enslaved.
Seafarers of old.. Dd you never see "Master and Commander"?
RED-POPE..
Thnks a lot for the inputs. We had many here who doesnt know much of these. Hope and pray they read
When Britain conquered and ruled India, parts of Afica etc , it was wit the backdrop of a powerful armed forces and strong economy. The same can be said for France and Spain.
The OPEC countries have a tool at their disposal, but they have left it too late. They know that the West will not tolerate beligerence. A famous saying - "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing". OPEC countries don't have the stomach to do without their luxuries.
I am surprised that you talk about the capitalist OPEC.. Oil is a comodity. Why should the OPEC countries not use it to earn as much as they possibly can ?
Dude, the Germans SUCK :P
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Who looted more?
The english and the Spanish
Is the answer...
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Barack Obama
German Empire
Spanish Empire
French Empire
Portuguese Empire
"If we are going to solve the challenges we face - we can't vacillate - we can't shift depending on our politics"
Barack Obama
It wasn't pleasant and it was brutal and selfish but in a certain sense you really have to admire them for being able to control so much of the world from such a small island.
And frankly, if they had had the means to do so, other countries would have done exactly the same.
It strikes me as extraordinary that the countries in the world today who *truly* have the ultimate tool in world dominance - oil (the inavailability of oil is enough to bring the entire world to its knees: no food, no water, transport, no NOTHING) are so utterly powerless against countries like the US which depend on them.
It is the never-ending availability of Saudi oil which keeps the Western world in business. What are these foolish countries with pure mineral power doing with it? Selling it and buying fancy cars and diamond-encrusted private jets. They even allow the price of this life-giving commodity to be decided by "the Market" in New York.
Every so often a frustrated state like Venezuela or Iran tries to head up against the Western capitalist hegemony of OPEC but find no friends from the luxury-goods addicts in the Middle East. Who needs principles when you can have Prada?
My undiluted congratulations go to the USA. I don't care if you don't like their policies -you have to admit, they are smart, hard-working, tenacious and highly accomplished. [And while I'm on the subject, all the anti-Americans who are about to post just ask yourself .. what would the world be like with the Chinese (in cahoots with, say, the Iranians) running it? ]
Um, just give me another supersized cheeseburger, please.
PS I'm not even an American.
British Empire
Animated map showing growth and decline of the British empire.
The British Empire was the largest empire in history and, for over a century, was the foremost global power. It was a product of the European age of discovery, which began with the maritime explorations of the 15th century, that sparked the era of the European colonial empires. By 1921, the British Empire held sway over a population of about 458 million people, approximately one-quarter of the world's population.[1] It covered about 36.7 million km² (14.2 million square miles),[2] about a quarter of Earth's total land area. As a result, its legacy is widespread, in legal and governmental systems, economic practice, militarily, educational systems, sports, and in the global spread of the English language. At the peak of its power, it was often said that "the sun never sets on the British Empire" because its span across the globe ensured that the sun was always shining on at least one of its numerous colonies or subject nations.[3]
During the five decades following World War II, most of the territories of the Empire became independent. Many went on to join the Commonwealth of Nations, a free association of independent states. [4]
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Well maybe you and Alexa could team up if you decide to change your mind.
"I don't think so. Homey don't play dat."
Homey Da Clown
Even though my family background is that diverse I still see myself as black (even I have been told I look Egyptian or Puerto Rican). Go figure.
"I don't think so. Homey don't play dat."
Homey Da Clown
Lol. Thank could work. I could make a nasty joke about the German in me trying to kill off all the others, but I'll leave that one alone. :P
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The french had the Sea Corsairs.
The English had the Sea Pirates.
The American had the Sea Buccaneers.
Poor Spanish Sea man always had to watch their backs from four sides. Those spanish galleon bastards, they had the biggest loot, all the time.
The Gold of Las Americas.....
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Well seeing as though I have a little Irish in me too we could pay in potatoes or we'll beat the crap out of them. hehehehe
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ROFL!!!! Looks like I have to do the same Philly! :D Although God forbid the Irish ever had any money to pay anyone!
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I am a little late with this comment but I agre with Gypsy (a first by the way). I want some money for my Native American ancestors who were wiped out by the MAN. I also want some money for my African ancestors who were brought to the states in a state of slavery also by da MAN. But since I have other ancestors from Spain and France it looks like I'll have to pay myself. :(
"I don't think so. Homey don't play dat."
Homey Da Clown
Have you been! People sitting around drinking cocktails on the golf course while Indian nannies take care of their children. I felt like it was the 1800's. Not a drunk or paunch in sight.
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I doubt it..
Those were the days of gentlemen and ladies. Not drunk men with paunches.
If you want to experience that again just go to the Doha Golf Club. It's eerie.
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Those were the days..
Sipping tea on the manicured lawn, whilst urchins looked after the boots.
Playing polo in the early afternoon and bridge in the evening over a civilzed cigar and port.
For the ladies, the life was even simpler. If you were dressing and you suddenly found you'd torn your frock all you did was throw it out the window and say to the durzi "maramut katro!" and you wouldn't see it again until it was complete ...
Shirts and trousers ironed with starch and a crease so sharp, you could cut a native with it.
Good Days!
" It aint half hot mum" on DVD. Just to remind me how the good old days of the British Empire were.....
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Oh brit.. you seems to be in a good mood today. lol
Go ahead , you can write a poem today.
Sitting on the varanda taking in the sights of the tea plantation. Chaa Waala serving up hot tea with muffins. Panka Walla ensuring the heat is compensated for by the swish of the hand fan. White turbans and ladies in beautiful saris lighting up the scenery.
Brandy lady - I may be bored or may not. Thats nothing of your worries.
If the thread had 150 responses in half a day there are people who interested in the topic. Lokk for those craps you would find interesting to you if you are bored.
I guess am clear. Appreciate your concern being a brit.
I know what you mean.. First india, then we let Canada nearly go and now the Aussies want to do away with the Queen..
whole thread and it seems to me to have been started by a very bored person who thought 'who can I get to argue with me today" what a load of bull!!!!!
Arent we always made out to be the bad guys ??
Maybe,just maybe, if we had kept a tighter grip on our vast Empire, then the world might be a safer and better place today, who knows ?
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Didn't you see any of these films? Who are the bad guys?
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I think we can make a Disney movie outta this thread. Oh wait, they already did. It was so successful they made it a trilogy:
Pirates of the Caribbean is a trilogy of adventure films directed by Gore Verbinski, written by Ted Elliott and Terry Rossio and produced by Jerry Bruckheimer. They are based on a Walt Disney theme park ride of the same name, and follow the pirate Captain Jack Sparrow, portrayed by Johnny Depp. The trilogy was first released on the big screen on July 9, 2003 with Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl. After the unexpected success of the first film, Walt Disney Pictures revealed that a trilogy was in the works. Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest was released three years later on July 7, 2006. The sequel proved to be very successful, breaking records worldwide the day of its premiere. In the end it acquired a total of $1,066,179,725 at the worldwide box office, becoming the third and fastest film to reach this staggering amount. The last film in the trilogy, Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End was released worldwide on May 24, 2007. Altogether, the film franchise has grossed over $2.79 billion worldwide.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirates_of_the_Caribbean_films
Swashbuckling with a smile, all the way to the bank :)
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You owe us money.. It was Eve that started it... and what about Helen ?Two countrie wen to war over her..
Need I mention Cleopatra and hr beautiful Asp ?
butthead :/
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Like I would trust your money you imperialist pig :P
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and of course to request apologize:)
Celtic (Ireland), Roman Empire (Italy), Byzantine Empire,Huns, Sarmatians (Iran, India), Ostrogoths (Germany),Avars,Frankish Kingdom (France),Bulgarian Empire (Bulgaria),Crusaders,Ottoman Empire (Turkey),Hungarians (Hungary),Austria-Hungary (Austria, Hungary)
Oh, and more then anything I want monetary reperations from MEN for the thousands of years that they've enslaved women. :P
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Screw y'all I want money from everyone for invading, looting and pillaging my country! I want money from Indians too for taking all our call center jobs, and the Chinese for taking Vancouver!
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So lets sue them as well !!
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The Vikings and the Romans. I think Italy should apologize and give reperations to everyone who was "pillaged" during the Roman Empire.
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Check yer history books .
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Nobody is denying it. History is written, what more do you want? As for nobody invading and looting like the British, I disagree, if you knew your history you would know the Spanish were far more bloody and greedy in their invasions, they killed off entire kingdoms of people in their colonization of South America.
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Paul - None have looted and invaded the brits did.
Europe..all were the same.. they were fighting eachother for centuries. cant help it.
Give me a reason to sue India.
gYPSY - all that past is history my dear. a crime is a crime..howmuchever years old it is. why deny it?
Maya, Saying going back to the Ottomans and Alexander is too far is a cop out. Either you want everyone to apologize for what they did during history, or nobody.
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haha.. India is a 1.3 billion people country.Buddy
If you have money you can learn anywher you want.
invaded Britain, then Italy with the Romans, French and Normans....Tell ya what, lets all just sue each other !!!
Yer singled out Britain cos you are another Mir !
Yer not British, so get over yerself....
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Thank them??.. go learn ther now.. pay some 3 million rupee as fee.. and thank them too.
ILOVEFONZ---Thats much older than the period we are discussing. This invasions where when it was India only, and it was ruled by the Maharajas.
I am a one who thank for the British education System and it opened whole lot of oportunities for me :)
So what Mafiriyal??? you want them to be their slaves for that??
50% of them comes to India for their bypass surgeries nowadays .. do you know that???
Firslty the Brits, Spaniards, Dutch, French took over a continent. There was no Kenya, Uganda ...no India, Pakistan....there were only Kingdoms.....so lets get that fact straight.
There have always been invasions around the world....
there were always invasions and fights on the Indian subcontinent, either from Iran or from Afghanistan.
and lets remember that the Mughal family werent ethnically indians, but From Iran.
and Genghis Khan the Mongol also fought and conquered many kingdoms ...... as did Alexander and the Ottoman Turks...so why single out only Britain......
U get the drift???
No slaves. Thanks them for the good things you received from them.
Almost all your founders were educated in England right?
winn - you are right dear
But this ones were running around the world looting.. and they became wht they are now with those wealth. There wre no international bodies and courts those days..
The whole world knows and I strongly feel they are answerable. to all those coutries sufferd because of them.
Dont pay us back. Just accept and agree wht you have belongs to the world.
Maya:History is full of invasions,looting, killings n such. and I do not know any country that doesnt hav its share of skeletons or bloodshed.Lets jus say we learn from the past n face the future with hope and tolerance!
Somebody told me, "You are what you eat".Now I know why I'm nuts!!
Days are old britexpat..
But you gota accept the fact. Its not just india, many lands were invaded, killed their people and looted.
DohSteve you are rght..
Yeah it was the 'Divide n Rule" policy. They were able to exploit to their advantage the mutual distrust that was there between these MahaRaja's.
The biggest example was the milestone Battle of Plassey,1757,in which Siraj ud Daula was sold out by his own family member(think the name is Mir Kasim, not sure). A british force about 1/8ths(with mostly Indian soldiers) the size of Nawab's army was able to capture the fort because of this deception. This war is belived to have been the proverbial foot in the door for the East India company.
Somebody told me, "You are what you eat".Now I know why I'm nuts!!
Ah the old days....
To the victor the spoils...
come on.. They influenced some Maharajas and killed the ones who didnt bow to them.
Devided those united to weaken them..
They even splitted the country in to two using the religious extremists.1000s lost their lives.
Now you blame those few who danced to the tunes to justify the loots. ???
Ya "purchased" for shiney beads and a couple kegs of whisky.
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10,000 B.C. earliest evidence of aboriginal civilizations in British Columbia. Archaeological evidence found at Soda Creek in the summer of 1995 was carbon dated at approximately 4,300 years ago.
1492 Columbus lands in the West Indies.
1763 Royal Proclamation by King George III recognizes aboriginal title and rights to land. To acquire land for colonization, treaties must be signed between the Crown and First Nations on a nation to nation basis.
1849 Hudson's Bay Company (HBC) given imperial grant to settle and colonize Vancouver Island.
1850-54 The Colonial Office directs James Douglas to purchase First Nations lands, first in his capacity as chief factor of the HBC, and later as Governor of the colony. He arranges 14 purchases, now known as The Douglas Treaties, mostly on southern Vancouver Island.
Well, in a lot of cases the British took advantage of exisiting tribal wars in Canada as well. The Brit's took on the Iroquois as partners, helping them wipe out their enemies. The French did the same thing with the Huron.
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In India, the British basically "bought" the allegiance of the numerous Mahrajas...So you could say that their ownpeople sold the Indians out..
Ah, the days of the Raj; Britain in all her might, pillaging, plundering and raping her way mercilessly across the known world.
We were great then. Great writers. Great leaders. Cutting a swathe through centuries of civilization in scarlet tunic and bad teeth, galloping hither and thither collecting the Queen's (or King's) taxes, persuading all nations to bow to our our monarch with the gentle application of terror .......
And what now of that greatness?
Our Royal palaces are home to carousers, philanderers and adulterers.
We have nations all over the world who have ruined our once great language with bad pronunciation and something called (by the great philanthropist and former head bummer at Microsoft) "US English".
We have asylum seekers.
We have the dole.
We have crap weather.
Uncontrollable youth.
Drugs and teenage pregnancy up the ying-yang.
And we have a "Gordon" running the country.
And still - with all of the above - we have teeming hordes of people who want to come to our small, insignificant, dreary, wet island and live there under the umbrella of the Department Of Health and Social Services (DHSS).
Don't you think we are suffering enough?
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"I told the doctor I broke my leg in two places. He told me to quit going to those places". - Henny Youngman
Well, my knowledge of history might not be so great, but I'm pretty sure the British didn't force all the Indians in India to live on reserves, give out rewards for how many Indian scalps you could bring in, and murder several tribes into extinction. In fact, I'm pretty sure the British just moved in on top of an already well enforced and brutal social heirarchy, and took advantage of that.
Colonialism sucks, but it was fact of that time, everyone did it.
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Well, Gypsy I am not sure whether the loss of freedom or lives of one people can be compared to that of another people.
but one quote stays in mind...
'Last night I saw the sun set for the last time and its light shine upon the treetops and teh land and the water that I am never to look upon again'
Read that quite a while back...said by some Indian chief...quite touching... One can almost see a lone man looking at the vast landscape and the sunset...
Somebody told me, "You are what you eat".Now I know why I'm nuts!!
Same thing, it was the Brit's and the French in Canada, Brits in the Northern US and Spanish and Porteuguse through the Souther US and South America.
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Gypsy: am not really strong in the history Dept. :-p
1.any difference between what happened to native americans n native canadians?
2.Was Brits the only aggressors there?
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Thank you vely much :)
Yes yes yes, I'll email my parents now.
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don't forget My DVD "Shake Hands with The devil"
My grandmother was native Canadian.
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Gypsy:Your grandmother's people??...ummm...mind expanding on that? I mean ur profile says Canada...
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Winn - I will book all 3 of them to keep me company during my Mumbai trip :)
My grandmothers people lost far more to the Brits then Indians ever have or will, and you don't see them dragging up the past and whingeing about it all the time. The past is the past, you can't change it, the only thing you can do is move on towards a brighter future. It ridiculous to expect reperations for an act anyone would have committed given the same circumstances.
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Ash...?? naaa...not happening!!
I think bipasha is hotter...! n yeah Katrina too..
http://www.bollywoodsargam.com/bollywood_celebrity_photos.php?poster=5902114-5147108272-25-latest-Bipasha_Basu_desktop_wallpaper_images_pictures.html
http://inhome.rediff.com/movies/2008/jun/09look.htm
http://hindi.galatta.com/entertainment/hindi/livewire/id/Katrina_Kaif_16028.html
Somebody told me, "You are what you eat".Now I know why I'm nuts!!
britexpat - your dream will never come true :(
and how do you google a female bugger
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And very nice it was as well.....
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Reg: They've bled us white, the bastards. They've taken everything we had, and not just from us, from our fathers, and from our fathers' fathers.
Loretta: And from our fathers' fathers' fathers.
Reg: Yeah.
Loretta: And from our fathers' fathers' fathers' fathers.
Reg: Yeah. All right, Stan. Don't labour the point. And what have they ever given us in return?!
Xerxes: The aqueduct?
Reg: What?
Xerxes: The aqueduct.
Reg: Oh. Yeah, yeah. They did give us that. Uh, that's true. Yeah.
Commando 3: And sanitation.
Loretta: Oh, yeah, the sanitation, Reg. Remember what the city used to be like.
Reg: Yeah. All right. I'll grant you the aqueduct and the sanitation are two things that the British have done.
Matthias: And the roads!
Reg: Well, yeah. Obviously the roads. I mean, the roads go without saying, don't they? But apart from the sanitation, the aqueduct, and the roads--
Commando: Irrigation.
Xerxes: Medicine.
Commando 2: Education.
Commandos: Ohh...
Reg: Yeah, yeah. All right. Fair enough.
Commando 1: And the wine.
Commandos: Oh, yes. Yeah...
Francis: Yeah. Yeah, that's something we'd really miss, Reg, if the British left. Huh.
Commando: Public baths.
Loretta: And it's safe to walk in the streets at night now, Reg.
Francis: Yeah, they certainly know how to keep order. Let's face it. They're the only ones who could in a place like this!
Commandos: Hehh, heh. Heh heh heh heh heh heh heh.
Reg: But apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh-water system, and public health, what have the British ever done for us?
Xerxes: Brought peace?
Reg: Oh, pea-- Shut up!
Reg: We need doers in our movement, Brian, but... before you join us, know this: There is not one of us who would not gladly suffer death to rid this country of the British once and for all.
Commando: Er, well, one.
Reg: Oh, yeah, yeah, there's one. But otherwise, we're solid.
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We can still 'dream' about her..
I would have looked after her, hubba hubba !!
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Ashwari Rai was given to Abishek Butchnan for Safe Keeping duties :)
"Yer gonna keep it in a box ? "
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i will also fight for your right to give birth, even though you don't have a womb!!!!!!!!!!!
On a serious note though, we gave them cricket, billiards, afternoon tea, cucumber sandwiches, bungalows and polo..
They've given us tiffin carriers, marbles and ofcourse ashwaria rai.
Maya you are doing well...LOL!!!!
Every lady hopes that her daughter will marry a better man than she did. And is convinced that her son will never find a wife as good as his father did!!!
"Mafi: His intentions were right but it is said that the IPKF meddled a bit too much for a peace keeping force (coz of a judgement error by one of the field commanders supposeddly)and ended up getting embroiled in the conflict and thus antagonising teh Tamils."
IPKF was sent to disarm the Terrorists but Oportunistic Sri Lankan Politicos didn't allow them to complete their task. :(
Us nasty British Colonials.
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I'm not trying to deny history - all this colonialism did happen and it'd be pointless to deny that nothing bad happened. However, I would like to point out that several other nations, namely Portugal, Spain, Belgium and France ALL did exactly the same thing in other countries. If i remember correctly, the Belgians have a particularly nasty reputation for what they did in the Congo. So before u start bashing one nation in particular, remember that it isn't just the British. And no I'm not British myself, so I can claim a certain element of neutrality here.
LOl.. I know that a QL forum discussion cannot drive to a diplomatic decision between two countries on an issue happend some 200 years back. haha
I ddnt know only the Umsaid, sanddunes, hamad, RP,pthaka...etc are only the subjects allowed to discuss here..
OR .. Is this annoying anyone??.. if then why??
Like someone said here before we are talkin abt the colonialistic scene 200 yrs back...if it were not brits, it might hav been someone els or between themselves...
DOnt rightly understand what u meant by u raised the matter here BCOS no one is doin anythin abt it! Dont think this is teh right forum if u want to start an action for something that happened centuries back.
Mafi: His intentions were right but it is said that the IPKF meddled a bit too much for a peace keeping force (coz of a judgement error by one of the field commanders supposeddly)and ended up getting embroiled in the conflict and thus antagonising teh Tamils.
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Winn - Lets not argue ..lets debate
So you agree that brits were luking at opportunities where there is no unity to intrude and steal
Never talk about the weakness of the victim, as a country they should have assisted them not loot.
Now you asking me wht am I gona do about it.. lol.. I can do nothing about it. No one is doing anything about it.. thats wht I wanted to rise here
Winn - Ragiv Ghandhi did the right thing by sending IPKF to Sri Lanka and he paid for that with his life:(
Why are you denying the history now. i dont need to prove the books are out there hard talk shows donw on BBC. if you missed it Not my mistakeeeeee
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Woudnt say looted but yeah India sent troops in to both Bangladesh (Muktibahini)in 1971 and Srilanka(IPKF)in 1989(not sure)
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ok...Maaya...now that you hve laid down ur arguments and ideas u feel strongly about, enlighten us what exactly are you going to DO ABT IT???Coz if u r not gonna do anything abt it, this is jus a waste of time...pure n simple!
Coming on QL and letting off steam doesnt count as DOING anything!!
If teh Brits ruled for 200 years, the blame is on Indians and our lack of unity.
The strange irony of history is that the country (whose empire on which the sun never set) is now being over run by immigrants assisted by their own Human Rights guys!!
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you have to proove now when DID INDIA LOOT?
YOU HAVE TO COME WITH PROOF
Expiry /// past /// History /// 200 years// era.....SO??? They have to be ignored???
I am not saying to sit and cry on that..and we are moving on too,, as one of the largest and fastest growing economy..
I am not asking for compensations like Germany paying to Israel.
If Brit has to pay compensations to all they looted. They will need aid from somalia now.
Am offended am leaving QL right now :?
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Overlook my friend, lets not get into that discussion, trust me even India has a lot to offer in terms of Quality and Tourism...you should have a look one time seriously...LOL!!!You wouldnt want to miss it...my friend
Maya...well ok...but thats a long way away, how many times do I have to tell ya that yes we know that was the truth but what is the point to prove NOW..
Who denied it girl..o madam zara dimaag thikaane hain ke nahin...who denied...it...NOBODY...we all know that the TRUTH IS undeniable...and yea sorry for that comment in Hindi, didnt want the others to get what I asked u...
Paul tell me the stroies before 1950s...
Then i will answer about the aid flow to Africa. West never want them grow..and they keep throwing them nuts to survive..
Who is funding the nigerian ribls?..who looted the huge sums of diamond reserves in Sierra leon and congo??
whts china and US are fighting for in Sudan now??.
wher wre all these thieves when Rwanda was in bloodshed?? 1 million people were slaughterd.. wher the heck were they?? Why was the UN peace keepers withdran at he middle of the riots?? Because they had no Oil, no diamonds, they just had poor human beings who were struggling to survive.
No loot , then hwy waste money there rght??
Good morning to you and all.
Am afraid nothing has an expiry date.
At least we should know and it is our right to know the truth and real history. BUT we should not live there.
If you take the example of Germany and the compensations paid annually to Israel. In such case. Maya has a point which is a similar case in a way or another.
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I would not want to go to India TQ. I have experienced too many problems with industrial materials and other items supposedly of good quality (but actually of extremely questionable quality), which are produced there.
Firstly: It’s a fundamental mistake to try to judge the history of the 17 to 19 century with 21 century morality.
You should remember that there was an imperial competition. The alternative to being part of the British Empire was not independence; it was being part of the French / Portuguese / Dutch / Belgian or German Empires. Does anyone believe they would have been better off under those Empires? Look how the French left Indo-China, or the Portuguese left Angola. Look how many countries voluntarily continued their association with the British via the Commonwealth even after their independence.
You ask “how many were slaughtered?” You might also consider how many were saved. I have just lived in Sri Lanka for 12 years, where a civil war has claimed maybe 80,000 people since 1983. These are 80,000 who might be alive were the British still there. Does anyone think Zimbabwe is better off now ?
The contribution made in terms of railways and infrastructure could be approximately estimated. The economies the British restructured would be more difficult to estimate (They brought tea to Sri Lanka, rubber plantations to Malaysia etc). The contribution the British made in terms of the language, the rule of law, and the organization they left behind is beyond value.
move on. make the best of the current situation and learn from your past. Globalization age has begun its time to unite not to divide.
pykester
India loot Nepal, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh
616 .... tatz my total QL points till date :(
Ksarat
“India’s share of world GDP went from 22.6% in 1700 to 3.8% in 1952″ If you aren’t a subscriber to the fallacy of zero-sum thinking, what does this prove?
Accept the facts.. why deny it?
Thats all I want.
First of all, good morning my friend,
Nobody said Maya doesnt have valid points, nobody has questioned her about the Validity of the Points its just that these points have an Expiration Date and that Date has gone long ago...she never belonged to that ERA...so what is she ranting about now isthe Question...fair enough or not..?
"Look at the east african countries.. people still die of hunger there , when they invested, built and become rich with their money."
Really....." Between 1985 and November 2004, the Band Aid Trust and Live Aid Foundation have spent over $144 million on supporting local projects such as irrigation and planting etc in Sudan, Niger, Mali, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Chad and Burkina Faso. "
(http://www.bfi.org.uk/education/teaching/tvcitizenship/plans/liveaid.html)
So we became rich by raping yer country ? we have given these countries $144 million in aid, and you still have the cheek to claim this rubbish !!
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Well what India really wants to develop is pretty much HER priority at this point of time...and I really dont see any s5it coming in from the UK...
You might as well talk about the slow progress of India into being a Developed Nation but not a pre-historic WAR that changed the whole of India...
Just dont get it, what is the hue and cry about, you still havent answered my post a bit earlier...
Maya have valid points and you have valid points.
I have these very tiny comments:
If we are going to live on the past, we will never progress.
We cannot always blame others for our misery and problems.
Major powers who were or are or will control parts of the world, were not and are not doing charity jobs or favors
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I invite you to india Overlook.. to have an overlook on the indian railways now.
Steam?? i have seen it in ma childhood.
And my dear Indias 9% GDP is not from railways.
Take your eyes off the railways and have a look at the country and its growth. India had much other priorities than modernising the railways.
Just dont understand what this jingoistic girl lady trying to say.
Learn the spelling of ignorant before calling someone ignorant..obiviously you dont have any reply than repeating the same point again and again..
But isn't it a fact that your country needs and is still using the railways but have failed to develop them in any way at all?
Steam locomotives are still the order of the day are they not?
Darude.. pls choose some other post for your jokes.. I guess am clear to you here.
Overlook ; You are talkin about the sweets thrown to the babies to tke the mom away.
Brits were in india to loot , not to build India.
Infrastructures were made to make their job easy .. to move themselves and the cargo. they had to make the system in place since it was a longterm strategy. 1767-1947
This era is different. The world has changed and raking up parts of history and half truths will do no one any good.
Fair Enough you aint grudging, frustrated...(hey the name is Ksarat or you can call me KSA...just for you...LOL!!!)
But the question is, what is there to debate, to discuss, or to even question, who is to question, is it you or me I dont think we, if at all there is some compensation that you are asking about (which I doubt) that should be taken up at the Diplomatic Level, not you or me...hain ki nahin...?
All I asked, is why bring this topic up now and whats the need for a debate...I mean there can be a debate on a topic which is of striving importance or dillusion, but this is a topic of long known existance and infact long-gone also...so why bring it up as a discussion, and what do you want to discuss,
As I already mentioned, we know what the Brits did, we have studied them thruought, we have seen them on TV, Movies etc etc, the Brits know it, what is NEW that you want to BRING UP, just pure hatred against them...which I doubt is even worth talking about...
the UK can seek recompense from the Italians (Romans), Norway, Denmark etc (Vikings) for their invasion, rape and pillage of the British Isles.
Mafiriyals, that was the british with their 'divide and rule' policy along with some muslim political leaders.Get your facts straight. That answers the first part of your statement.
you sure slept well last night
and did you dream about brits era 1845.
or did any brit insult you recently
why coming up with such an olllllllllllllllld topic
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Mom- me ; NO grudge..no gratittude either.
I am not frutruated as KASRAT said too. But tell me this.
None discuss.. non questioned.. none botherd to even rise it anywhere ...
doesnt it deserve atleast a discussion??
Or the whole world still fears and thats why I am being left alone on bringing it up here for a debate even??
India invated East Pakistan created Bangladesh. India haboured and nurse the terrorist who in turn killed The Former Prime Minister of India (Hon. Rajiv Ghandi)
Infact kerala is a part of Middleeast
Whatever bad things the Brits did during colonial times, the fact is that when they their former colonies, they left huge infrastructures (roads, railways), schools, colleges, institutions and government administration systems which are still in use today. The fact that many of the former Brit colonies have failed to further develop the legacies left to them since they became independent begs the question; 'should we have stayed on and retained our colonial ways?'
not me na her her ask her.
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formatted.. you are ignorent..no replies to you
Darude.. where and when did india loot lanka, nepal, bangladesh?? lol..
India as a country have not invaded any other ever.Its been helping its neighbours.
Kasrat - I plea you read the post for the answer,
We understand your question, now what kinda answer you expecting...
Well no Maya you know what you are right they shudnt have done that...they looted us a lot they killed so many people, they stole the diamond, they did a lot, ok now what...we know all that...
But my question still stands...whats your Frustration about...lets have some accountability in your thread before anything else...?
Before british were ruling directly ,today they are ruling indirectly all over the world
Maya maya maya......it is relative. What was India before british ? We were ruled by moguls as well and looted by the khiljis and Tuglaks ..... The point is why hold the grudge.
My question is..
with all those the great brits gave india..railways..constitution..etc etc
What did you have to pay for that?? countable..?? howmany lives.. howmany years wealth..growth..
More over.. wht damn right they had to intrude to the land and do all these?.
Darude !! " rest of the buggers "..... who is that ??
Now what is it that you want from this Site and from us,
sympathy or Empathy or just say Plain YES the BRITS DID RULE THE WORLD AT ONCE...
OK so WHAT>>>
And what are you expecting some top ranked Brit Govt. Official to be a member on QL and say yes and we're sorry Maya...wtf...
Who sweet they or me?
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should we let the british come back
Then we will not have strikes and riots
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Srilanka
Nepal
Bangladesh
Hey rest of the buggers step away let Maya answer.
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Did you or your ancestors loose anything personally by British rule?
darude. nothing against them sweets. they are bros..
But they gota accept the fact that the country or government has looted the world, forget india,which has grown by itself even aftr that blow which lasted for more than a century.
Look at the east african countries.. people still die of hunger there , when they invested, built and become rich with their money.
Maya, don't talk about democracy. The Indian constitution was framed by the english. I feel that they tamed us - we were wild. You cannot play on their conscience all the time and self pity. You have to learn to grow and move on. Certainly as Indians we have the calibre and mind set to do it.
But Maya.. there was no strike /harthaal or hidden enemies for us during british raj. Now we dont haeve british bak home then why have the riots still? a secrete thot don't u ever felt ooh God let british be here again for not to see Indians fghting each other? :)
Now tell me something, can YA CHANGE IT...by YANKING OVER IT...naa...
Can you deny what happened, we all know what happened, and we think thats s5it...but it happened, a long time ago, things have moved on, so really whats the point in raising this topic...
1) No job at work
2) No Job at all
3) Been Denied access to Europe or UK in particular
4) Just causing havoc on QL on the start of a brand new week...
5) OR just plain bored that you want to argue about something that your azz doesnt have control over...
GEEEEEZUZ...stop that girl, you are BORING!!!
There you go Paul.
But when u lookback dont have the guilty feeling on wht the country is moving on with the loot from many poor coutries which still has people who dont have 2 meals a day.
mom- I agree to the benefits india had on a railway line in place. Its peanuts when you look at wht you lost. The country become democracy not because of colonial rule or influence. Kings and their pranks were a dieing scenario.
Was this what a free lane to go by for you...to get the ladies on QL...and that too my fav BRITS...hmmm
i agree with you
so tell me which brit should i grab here first. damn so many brits on QL. ok Maya you take on the male i will take on the females. Agree??
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and built their empire. Wise investment, beautifully maintained architecture
We would have wasted those treasures anyways on dancing women
how to 4get Jalian Wala Bagh , Wagon tragedy . God it is surprosing they didnt call us Indian Terrorists when we fought for our freedom , but wot they called us ..slaves or dirty ***** ? wot was that
country, but they were queing round the block to come and live here after the war !!
Talk about bite the hand that feeds ya....
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You are actually catching 2008 responsible for what happened 200 yrs ago...I mean, havent you moved on...hmmm...looks like we need a Trailor to drag your trash on to 2008...and that too catching Poor Innocent Mr. Paul...(LOL!) how unfair ayyye Paul...
And personally, i dont really give a crap what happened back then. The world has moved on.
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Come on Maya. Clear your clogged perception. Whatever the motive, Indians did benefit from railways, postal services .... If you are good at history you would be knowing the state of affairs India was in. The lazy kings needed 4 people to poop and clean. Please move on.
Lets wait for her highness Jauntie comments she is back in town.
Mir take it easy you will get your aussie visa.
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The blame is not on you Paul.Take it as a debate with those deny the truth. But you will feel so because its your country may be.
So you admit it that it was done by your so called government 200 years ago.
And have no wish to, after reading some of his posts.
It seems he may have been refused a visa for UK and now has more chips on his shoulder than Mcains.
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Are you serious of falling for this thread...hmmm...I know its resistable...for what your govt did ummm a long time ago...LOL...I think this one is a relative or next to Kin of some FREEDOM FIGHTER...LOOOOOOOOL!!!!
Middle East is a part of KERALA. right or wrong?
but you are still playing the cricket
and learning English.
and half of your Roads are named after Brits hmm probably some College or School too.
hmm and yea some buildings from the past era too which were built by them.
Paula did you do something to Mir.
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DaRuDe is from disneyland but wants to show off as a Nazi Hunter :)
back to yer Motherland as well. Yer want a lift to the Airport ?
What it boils down to is, you are blaming all us here for what our government did 200 yrs ago.
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Sucks.. You guys are #@$@%@
Railways were created for those thieves to transport the goods easily.. you think they were helping the country grow???? lol. am done
please go through the history
They have made railroads from Kenya to Uganda too?/ why did they do it?? to help the poor kenyanys who hardly had a meal to travel by train??..
Well first of all, I know you would come up to me saying this aint an English class or an exam but just a quick thought on the Spellings girl...thoda sa spell check...not too much required...just a little...
And second, ok I know Brits were walking all over the world at once, so what is the Motive of your topic, can ya clear that...We all know Brits were walking all over India for an example...ok there were dis advs and advs...now what...?
I just dont seem to get whats your point of annoyance...(Trust me there aint no such word as annoyance...LOL!!!)
And hell no girl, you aint flirting in here...you are rather FIRING!!!LOL!!!
Welcome back.
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Mr Paul..You didnt gift them the Landrover.. seems u are pretty upset on that deals. It was baught by them..
AND
They would have baught them decades back if the country was not looted for a century.
abay 420 who are you
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Companies yer bought from us.
We will pull out all the call centers, making Thousands jobless,And we will give yer back all yer Indian people who live there,and call themselves British, MR Mittel ,and all the other rich Indian business people who live in Britain.....Will that make ya happy ??
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darude..
You are from Israel but not seems to be sure about the real ethnicity eh??
flirting is fun buddy , why to get angry?
grow baby
oh and where did you sympathy go when Gujrat was on fire. well Brits werenot there then.
or Punjab?? even then there were no Brits. Who will you blame for that.
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Well for once if there was a moment that I need to appreciate the Damn Brits... (LOL) it is surely for the Railways...my friend, a superb piece of creation for India...and they did leave that there alone and today it is one hell of a Profit Generation...I say!!!
So for once Brits...but yes if I were to see a Cricket Match with the English, I would support the opposite or even Last night's Wimbledon with Andy Murray, I supportd Tommy Haas (German), LOL!!! Thats where my Loyalities Stay...LOL!!!!
LOL...Damn she was flirted by the BRITS, bole tho, she is one HOT DESI in here...hmmm what do you think DARUDE,, try maarey...but wait a min *Sneaks into her profile* damn Paaji, this one is married...so she's out of the list...LOL!!!
Don't forget the Railways..
now that sounds fimiliar, so a Perfect troll.
whats your previous user id can you pm me.
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darude -- dude,
I am alive.. and I pity those live like deads.
even graves gota be digged to prove a crime..crime is a crime always.
My dear Maya ... the language you are comuunicating is hmmm... I believe english which you learned from hmmmm... a convent school probably established by the english. We have a lot to thank the english for. Try counting that.
Guess some brit winked at her or flirted with her badly. and now she is taking all her anger on all the brits.
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Were the hell is my Calculator ........
Now I know that I'm pretty jobless...but that much that i sit and calculate the numbers...geeeeez girl...you know thats going to be a tough thing...but never knew i had so much company in boredom in yourself...hmmm...we shud have a bored coffee...lol!!!
Come from??? a ghost from some grave after 100years
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Calculating Britain's Debt to India
In the 1870's Dadabhai Naoroji, later twice President of the Indian National Congress, estimated that Britain was bleeding India at the rate of three to four million pounds per year. Or was it thirty to forty million? I need to check on that. Anyway let's stick with the lesser amounts for now. Average those to 3.5 million pounds per year. Assume that that sum was constant from 1857 to 1947. Assume further that the British looted a paltry 1 million pounds per annum from 1767 to 1856. Assume a 7.875% rate of annual interest compounded yearly. That must be a good rate because that is what I'm paying through the initial years on the adjustable-rate mortgage on my house. Then we calculate
Sum_{n = 1997 - 1767}^{n = 1997 - 1856} (1.07875)^n +
3.5 * Sum_{n = 1997 - 1857}^{n = 1997 - 1947} (1.07875)^n = (0.07875)^(-1) [(1.07875^231 - 1.07875^141)
- 3.5 * (1.07875^141 - 1.07875^50)] million pounds.
That works out to about 521,000,000,000,000 pounds, to be divided between India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh. Interest is currently accruing at the very serious rate of 41,000,000,000,000 pounds per annum. I haven't included damages, and interest thereon, for the Bengal famine, the Jallianwallah Bagh, and other like injuries. I haven't even included "gifts" like the Koh-i-noor. How much must we Indians have loved George V (or was it Billy XVII? Saala mammary no work today.) to have given him a nice gift like that to stick with glue on his gold crown! And where he stole gold and glue?
http://www.kahany.com/writing/0997britishdebt.html
Yeah....I am sure that fish on Doha coast is a British conspiracy too...yaaaawwwnnnn...!
Somebody told me, "You are what you eat".Now I know why I'm nuts!!
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TROLL!