Iranian N-Bomb is a Fatwa Away

Brit..

There's no way for the Egyptian ppl to have a say except through two options:

1- Free elections.

2- By force.

The first option is out of the question, since Husny Mubarak miraculously wins it over by 99.99%.

The second option was tried by some groups but of course it's terrorist and the whole world steps in to help the govt fight it.

My point exactly..

If it is unpopular wth the majority, then why don't they do something about it ?

By the way, after the death of King Hussein, it was found that contry to his official and public posture, he had actually had regular meetings with Mrs. Golda Maeir , the Israeli M during many years of his reign.

Politics :O)

After three decades of official peace, the notion of cooperation with Israel — given its rough treatment of the Palestinian population — remains broadly unpopular on the Egyptian street...

http://www.arabamericannews.com/news/index.php?mod=article&cat=ArabWorld&article=2091

Sure, Brit..

I was commenting on the 'ordinary ppl' ignorance. Unfortunately, ordinary ppl are wiser and more intelligent than those who make policies..oh, no they don't make policies, rather they implement the policies of their 'masters'.

And the people have put up with his "replacement" for all these year and allowed Egypt to become the Proxy of the USA in the region..

Ordinary ppl understand more than you think, Brit. Khalid Al-Islambouli was an ordinary man who killed Anwar Sadat for signing the Camp David accords, which turned out to be the root of all the Palestinian misery.

You cannot blame anyone you know, in this harsh millennium, hectic day to day necessities and liabilities takes over mate, unless you're burned by it, you'll loose track of it..

The saddest thing is that ordinary people buy into the politicians' lies without doinga little homework for themselves.

As we all know, real Politics is being set behind closed doors, propagandized agendas are to serve the hidden intentions..

Disputes argued upon on public exposé, with the paid-for media support, has enormously participated for ages in shifting the human awarness, specifically moderates, off the blinding truth that the "Friendly Western Policy!" 50 years ago, while developing and testing its nukes on Algeria deserts and other places, has discreetly established The Middle East Hostile And Never Defensive Nuclear Power in planted israel, prior to the Pakistan Vs India nukes-run, aimed basically to stand across the X Soviet Union with so-called US fighting allies play, and definitely before the fair-legitimate Iranian, and/or Syrian if any, pursuit to obtain what their plainly-only enemy has developed and still developing/using on unarmed Palestinians & Lebanese...

What so called "Charade" is indeed a shameful human tragedy.

Gypsy..

They are united around their Supreme Leader. He is the one who can throw any president or endorse him.

I agree that no one should possess nukes but since the UN is to weak 2 disarm everyone the there must be a balance of powers so that no one power enslaves the world.

United in ONE issue. That issue is not enough to stop a civil war.

I agree that no one should have nuclear weapons.

BUT, Here's the strange thing.. The Iranian government is probably the most stable, since regarding this issue, the peoples and government are all united..

My worry with Iran's nuclear program has nothing to do with the aggression or non-aggression of the current regime, it has to do with the instability of the government. As was demonstrated in these last elections, the government is by no means standing on firm ground and a civil war is a very real possibility. What happens to those nukes when the country is in chaos?

When the USSR fell, the US and other Western nations ended up shelling out billions to keep Russias nukes from exploding, leaking and disappearing to parts unknown, I can imagine it wouldn't be any better in Iran during a civil war.

So, in my opinion, only stable governments should even attempt to have nuclear weapons (actually I think no one should, but if you have to.)

Psst, QatariLady and fayezfarooq, britexpat is being "tongue-in-cheek!"

Mandi

well said qatarilady...

There are major differences you fail to comprehend.. The Israeli nuclear program is for Peacful purposes and those 200+ nuclear warheads they don't have are only to protect themselves from aggressive neighbours.

The Iranian nuclear program is purley for expansionist purposes and those nuclear warheads they might have in a few years would be used to kill or maim innocent women and children whilst trying to overthrow democratic countries and spread their evil ideology all the way to the West. In a decade or so, they may even gain the knowhow to launch these warheads at europe or America.

Brit..

It's so sad that you ignore real incdents that did take place, and focus on an imaginary aggression that may or may not happen.

Le Libano..

Again that's exactly what I was about to say to Britexpat. Thank you. :)

much better idea ! when the comet is near why dont we hit the isreali nuclear reactor ? it would have a much better effect since they are more advanced than the iranians !! or even better we can hit all the US nucluar reactors .. then we will have a success rate of 100% !! since there are a huge number of them !!

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”

Here's an idea..

There's a comet headed towards Earth in 2012.. why not wait till its about 100,000 km from Earth and then strike the Iranian Nuclear reactors..

Te resulting explosion will shift the eart slightly out of orbit and the comet will miss..

We will kill two birds with one stone or rather Misile strike.. :O)

Stone Cold..

Weapons of mass destruction were not used in Japan only. Prohibited weapons were used in Afghanistan, Iraq, Gaza and Southern Lebanon.

libano. well said.

be humble

so i assume Stone cold .. that the deffinition of rogue nations, according to you and the USA, is any country which is refusing to obey US dictations and to accept the forced and illegal existance of Isreal .. is that correct?

ohh about about Hiroshima .. be honnest to yourself mate .. the US delibretly allowed Pearl harbor distruction in order to find an excuse to use the bomb ! the US was well matched in armed forces with Japan .. except the fact that the US had 2 bombs !! only 2 bombs .. the japanese was mislead in believing that they had more !

i any case .. we have a say: the past repeats itself !

... the same thing happened in 9/11 !!

ohh who ever said that the loss of the german coalition was something good for the world ????? that is only a point of view .. i am partly french .. the germans did invade france .. i surely did not like the germans for that .. but on the other hand .. who knows how the world would have been if germany today was ruling and not the US ! i bet that isreal for sure would not have existed !!

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”

The last major used was on the Hiroshima and Nagasaki by the US. Everyones knows it was for once & for all to stop the japanese invasion to end world war II (good for the world). Sometimes we look at nuclear arm as immediate threat, however no one is that insane to us it indiscriminately. The arm race explain the whole episode. Build and stock up till end of shelves life. Unless of course it falls into the hand of rogue nation. That would be a different story and the cause of our disagreement as in this thread.

Ironically Stone Cold, only those who did and do use prohibited arms are the ones who are allowed to have them..And I don't mean India..Hopefully, it doesn't join their club, though.

If India have the US and Israel to hang on, so does Iran and N Korea who has Russia and China as their backing. Sound square isn't it. Its always a cold war out there.

killed perhaps 100 thousand people, right?

how many millions (innocent) have been killed by NATO countries?

answer first.

be humble

Stone cold !! i like your sence of humor ! India proved to be a loving nation !! (what a load of bull crap) !!

stop truning around the hole and just say it straigh !

India is friends with Isreal and US !! they are allowed to have it ! Iran is not ! so they are bad boys and should not have it !!

the best out there (only diplomaticaly) is N. Korea !! these guys dont give a toss about anyone !! they do what they feel !! and no one dares to stop them !!

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”

rafsanjani - wht a comparison..lol

N powerd Iran and , Korea are the result of N-techology developed by a weakly governed state..It was leaked to them..check history from where Iran and NKorea got it. you will understand.

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India has proven herself to be a peace loving nation. Just how many time did india indulge in the act of terrorism. Almost never, apart from than their neighbour. Remember one - Mumbai attack. And their nuclear arms are mean for self defense.

why not iran?

be humble

Every era had a nation that doninated ! our era is the one of Isreal/US .. fine .. personally i accept this fact .. if the world was fair then we can all discuss .. but the fact is that the world is not fair .. isreal and the US are DAILY violating every humand right in the book ! they do not answer to no one ! and one day that will not be the case anymore .. it surely wont be in our time !! but it will sooner or later ..

i am a strong believer in co-existance .. no one should wipe anyone or deny him the right to exist !

again, my dear friend .. i am only against misery and injustice .. the 2 basic sences any humain should cherish !

Aleichem Shalom

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”

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Ayman

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

The only visible one is the G6, but not quite so. Major cross border conflict have never been resolved with full cooperations. And there exist strife between governance of the conservatives. Their prime visions are divided. The Arabs are a millenium different from Israel on their beliefs and philosophies. Just who beliefs that the man at helm in Iran would not wipe Israel off the map. Big brother is watching. Some day mad man at the Negev desert will press the button. Lets now smoke the peace pipe Le. Shalom.

If Iran can be striken, it must remain an enemy.

If Iran can be blackmailed, it must remain an enemy.

If neither is possible, befriending is more appropriate.

Yesterday, Libya was an enemy. today it is a friend.

yesterday, Syria was an enemy. Today, its on the way to becoming a friend.

Today, Iran is an enemy. No one can tell what will happen tomorrow.

In opinion Iran has support from USA as it seems for me they are good friends.

You can agree or disagree with me.

It is only an opinion.

Stop smoking WEED Stone cold !!

who is the friends of whooooo ???? now the shi3a are the threat now ??????? common .. this is the first chapter in the book : devide to concor .. when westerns say things like that, they are ONLY pushing the muslims to devide !! and thus they will be able to control better !! if you honnestly believe that the US and isreal and the friends of the arabs and Iran is the enemy then you need help mate !!!

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”

At least the west are friends and will never annex the middle east. This one will make everybody wears shias burqa.

yet another propaganda, and so the arabs are afraid of Iran? oh come on, know your real enemy.

Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!

- Jalaluddin al-Rumi

I was responding to PM's & Abu's fued more then anything. As I said, the truth is always somewhere in the middle.

The GCC countries are not controlled by religion but they mix 'n' match in their laws; a little from religion, a little from the west, a little from non-religious traditions, a little influced by pressures, a LOT based on personal interests etc., but Iran is controlled by religion (at least this is how it seemed for over thirty years).

Le Libano.. I agree with you.. I was raised as a GCC citizen to hate Iran. Now I realise we were made to believe that it was a real threat. IF Iran develops imperial ambitions towards the ME, that would be fed by international and regional enmity.

Nuclear armed Iran or not, the GCC will get the consequences, not the rest.

The way i see it is that the US and Iran are playing the same game.In reality they are both on the same side. US will make an offer Iran cannot refuse and they will be bed partners again.The Us needs Iran's support to control the Middle east and cannot afford to have them as enemies. The Us have tamed one of Iran Big enemies, Iraq ,sadam is no more.The US want Afghanistan and Pakistan and also part of saudi for teh greater israel and Iran is in a crucial position and can can be a lot of help to the US.As we see the saudi Regime has rattled the Iran cage a few times and it (iran) is looking for a chance to get back.The US will use Saudi for as long as it needs it and then as it did to pakistan give it a Kick in the butt when it no longer needs it. The is also a map that has been drawn out by the US for the future of the Middle east they want to carve it and take land from one and give to another. There will be a Shia Iraq, Sunni Iraq and Kurdish.Land will be taken from Pakistan and given to Afghanistan and from Saudi and given to the Shias in the East.That is when the US will need the help of Iran.It will be helping the people of Iran, Expanding its territories.So it cannot afford to have it has eenemies.These are just lovers Tiffs at the moment.Mark my words and see some time in the Future if it is not Barak Hussein and ahmedinajat it may be their successors who will kiss and make up.

I do agree with BRIT .. if any other arabic country (friends with US of course) was doing the same, no one would have opened their mouth !!

there are more rights in Iran than ANY other muslim or arabic country (except lebanon, but we can see we lebanese are not the best example either)

in Iran there are jewish and christian member of the parlament ! they do actually VOTE for their president ! (we can argue or not if Ahmadi najad election is fair, but did G W Bush really with the US elections ?? common it goes both ways.. we can only ask these questions) i truely beleive that the majority of the iranians DID vote for him !

dont see any muslim/arabic country offering a vote on the existing ruler ! in the arab world presidents are elected at 99% ... of course there is only 1 name showing on the voting card !! so just wondering who is the 1% voting for ????? again this could only happen in the arab world !

Iran has the right to get the nuclear technology (weapons included) why the hell should any other country have it and not another !!!! Isreal has over 100 nuclear missles .. dont see anyone complaining !!

each one of us has different views .. right of isreal to exist or not .. ect .. but at the end of the day .. what 1 country has .. is the right for the other one to have as well !

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”

I agree Brit. I'm seriously considering paying the extra $20 a month to get C-Span. :D

Thankyou .. That is exactly what it is - a Charade..

You will notice that in the last few months, Israel has moved away from verbaly attacking Hamas to focusing on Iran as the Paraiah in this region. Similarly, the USA has now slowly allowed Syria to become a "moderate", whilst still bashing Iran.

Politics is amazingly fun to watch - From the outside :)

As always I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle, be it Iran being close to a nuclear weapon or if the kings in the GCC are controlled by religious factions or control the religious factions.

While it's obvious that the US is trying to turn Iran into the new USSR, I do have to admit that Iran is doing nothing to detract (still on first cup of coffee, can't think of the right word) from that image. They both seem to be enjoying the charade.

bomb not against humanity - it will againt the barbarians. hoo agian a middle east collapse... now UAE SAUDI all are under fire. Iran will test it on them. The Shia Sunni Fest first

I'd be seriously repelled to actually be in the same room :-)

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

and act with great bravado like you know everything. You have an obvious testosterone issue :-)

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Not only Abu and Brit are agreeing but, according to Abu, Iran and the US are agreeing too! Double fishy! :)

and their political policies. Iran has a specific plan to spread the Shi'a Islamic revolution and they are already well established in the GCC. I hope I won't be in the Gulf when that time comes.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

That religious support for a nuclear bomb would be necessary for the political leader to justify it. I think that some people don't realize who the real rulers/power brokers are in these cases. They are not the kings or "elected" presidents.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Propaganda?

How dare you... our intelligence services have said it ..so it must be true.

Wait for the dossier, that'll clear up any doubts you have. You'll see..

And if you still don't belive uis then call Tony, he'll tell you the truth. He's a man of faith.

You doubting Thomas' - both of you. Ought to be ashamed.

Q.

Abu.. On the side of the Iranians, Americans or both?

The difference between the King and the Iranian Supreme Leader is the religious status. I find it a good thing that political leaders make their decisions based on moral values rather than political or economic pressures.

I'm a sunni but I admire that in the Iranians, provided that no hidden motives are behind the 'moral' decisions.

I find it sad that we fall for such propoganda. Perhaps Iran is near to building a nuclear weapon and perhaps it isn't.

Let us assume that Saudi Arabia was to build a bomb. Would the final go-ahed lie with the King or not ? If yes, then what is the difference here, since the supreme Leader is the head of teh country .

I have no real love for Iran and am in favour of Israel's right to exist. However, I aso believe that Israel especially and the West in particular is trying to portray Iran as a bogey man in order to garner public support.

Its all too easy to get carried away with such "dis information"

Because a nuclear bomb is inhumane and is against the Islamic values of 'fair play' in battles.

But I believe they will go for it as part of a deterrent strategy not to actually use it.

No country can afford to use a nuclear bomb in today's world. Fatwa will take care of the 'fair play' aspect. Thanks.

Source:

- A study Conducted by FriedUnicorn - Vol I (September,1999)

...like Iran wait for a fatwa to even start making one? This doesn't sound logical. I look at most of these reports with a pinch of salt.

Source:

- A study Conducted by FriedUnicorn - Vol I (September,1999)