Michael Jackson - Died or Murdered?

PM,

I was not including you in the fighting approach. You always bring useful lightening exposure.

OMG, PM, I didn't know that JFK was still alive on life-support in a hospital basement in Dallas! Where have I been all these years?

Mandi

and I appreciate the fact that you do discuss things respectfully.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

why do we have to fight all the time guys?

This is the approach we should have taken. Reason not blind accusation. I have to say that my suspecion is less than when thread was posted, as a rasult of input by you all except we did not really have to fight.

Remember, we need to Carry MJ's misson of healing the world, fighting exploitation and stopping violence- no matter where it originates from addressing conditions, and just as important, root causes.

double post

Okay - he was well known in that people recognised his name, but it wasn't as though his songs got frequent airplay, or he was regularly on the cover of People magazine (except when his nose was falling apart or he was being accused of kiddy fiddling).

I am not going to discount the possibility that he was 'killed', either through through the wreckless medical actions of a doctor, or by an entourage of sycophants too affraid to tell him not to take so much Demerol.

Possibly he had a manager or rep who could have made more money from him dead than alive, but to suggest that he was murdered (in the legal sense - premeditated and malicious) is a little ridiculous.

popular in the US -- especially since the accusations of pedophilia. But it surprised me how many young people outside the US seemed to still love him and his music. And yet, he still provided good fodder for the gossip rags.

I saw an old interview with Oprah where she asked him about his relationship with his father and have to say I really felt sorry for him. She asked him if his father used to beat him as a child before he would have to go on stage and perform and I saw such a sad, vulnerable child responding. I think what he went through arrested his development and set him up for a self-destructive life.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Fubar,

all you said is fair enough except to say he was not well known. I don't know how you could make such a claim.

but i think i saw him yesterday in souq waqif searching for an antique!!

well he died....and what's the problem if he did???lots of people die everyday of cardiac arrest and are never doubted if they were murdered!!

Jacko's songs are ancient now, and if he wasn't dead he would be just as famous as the other has beens like Prince, or U2, or Black Sabbath - bands long past their prime.

It just doesn't logically follow that he was killed to cover up his agenda:

Prior to his death he actually wasn't that well known, well liked, or influential.

Only in death did people start buying his albums again.

If anything, his death has drawn attention to 'his' songs, which would be a bit counter productive if you were trying to silence him.

And don't forget - he didn't write the lyrics or music to all his songs, so it's not as if he had an agenda.

Why don't you just apply Occam's Razor to the situation as PM has done:

He was a known drug abuser;

He was 50 years old but barely weighed 50kg;

He was suspected of suffering from Lupus, increasing his risk of cardiac arrest;

He was (allegedly) allowing himself to be administered powerful medications by a doctor who had no medical authority to do so.

I could go on, but I won't.

Seriously, it is a total stretch to say that it's "highly likely that he was assassinated". He was a washed up old popstar with a history of pedophilia accusations who no one particularly cared about.

If you wanted to assasinate someone, why not Obama, or Oprah, or Hilary, or Bill Gates...??????

Her fotos give alot of credibility to your description lol!

She's his wacked out sister :-)

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

PM,

I just knew someone called LaToya exists so I will take your word for it as I know nothing about her.

I might be wrong after all and MJ died without human intervention but who knows. As I said earlier, I am not certain but suspecious.

Look into her own history. It's completely in character that she would be looking for someone to blame things on and promote drama.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

PM,

You just taught me of LaToya now. Being one of the closest to MJ, does not make her credible?

I have to point out she attributed conspiracy to MJ's wealth not politics and this we may agree on.

I remember when the Beatles released Revolution #9 and the rumor was that if you played it backwards it said "Paul is dead". This particular song by MJ used racial slurs and it's not surprising that it was controversial. If the KKK released a song using the N word or otherwise denigrating people, it would be controversial. There is a bit of an unwritten rule that you can't disrespect a group you don't belong to without taking a lot of flack.

I happen to be in the US right now and I can tell you that no one with any credibility is taking the notion that MJ was murdered seriously. After all, its biggest advocate is LaToya and everyone knows she is a nut case.

Was he a drug addict? YES.

Did he have lots of creepy hangers on who enabled him? YES.

But to suggest he was murdered for political motives is right along the lines of saying JFK is on Life Support in an underground Hospital vault in Texas.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

smart idiot,

it is about silencing truth not exploiting MJ!

PM,

I am saying that his music is helping raise the awareness which is the first step to introduce change which may not be liked by exploiters. It is like when the media remains silent on certain issues and introduces unworthy issues to divert attention. Truth, once known, hurts the guilty. So it is of a significant magnitude to spread the truth- in this case, it is through music.

Can you tell me why MJ's song had so much controversy if it is was not significant? you may change your views a bit if you have not read this already:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/They_Don't_Care_About_Us

In response to your question; i can cite many nationalities, particularly Americans, who think MJ was murdered. I am not trying to say Arabs are realistic but I believe we suspect when wee see evidence- this is at the people level.

Now on government level in case you think I am biased, although i have my views on western governments, i believe arabic governments are alot worse than western governments and are doing more damage because they could change things but they don't for a fear of losing power.

i heard that he also used to sleep with his pet ape, the result was Harry Potter

i am happy the fag's dead (PERIOD)

Who gives a flying #@%^*

CargoDog - I commented on CBDs anti-Western government stance because I viewed this thread to be along those lines. I wasn't attempting to twist an unrelated thread, since I genuinely believe that this thread was written with anti-Western government sentiments.

I guess whether it is or not is a matter of personal interpretation. Based on CBDs previous QL activity, some of the the words used in this post, and the ridiculousness of the argument itself, I interpreted it to be that.

Regards,

A hopeless case.

The topic starter speculates that MJ was assassinated by his exploiters. But what's the point? Why would they do that? What do they get in return? Is exploiting MJ really a big business and make million bucks? even if he's dead?

people and the course of history. I think you are digging really deeply because you want to come up with a conspiracy. MJ was over as a performer. He planned the comeback but was in just about the same health and condition as Elvis when he staged his Comeback tour. His golden days were gone. There is no reason to believe that these 2 songs have anymore significance than Billie Jean or Thriller.

Now I have a question for you: Can you tell me why the Arab world is so much more susceptible to conspiracy theories than the West? Do you think it's because you expect your media to lie to you or hide the truth, so you automatically suspect everything?

I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM

just look at MJ's songs in youtube and see number of viewers to get a single measure of how many people view his songs.

Nowadays with the expansion in media means, world regions are becoming so connected and it is harder to decieve people. However, masses of the people don't bother to follow news much less than scrutinizing news.

Truth is easy to get now, but not many people are bothered because they are busy working or enjoying nights out or dining or whatever.

The trick is now how do we make people care or how do we get them exposed to worthy information.

This is where MJ's importance lies, in my humble opinion.

he has good issues and people would love to see/hear him say it. They would even sing with him, and words would propagate. Imagine MJ having parties across the globe singing such songs! ofcourse it would have impact! and nowadays it is more critical than before- world is tirbulent.

As I said, I am not certain, but would not be surprised at all if he was murdered. However, not knowing for sure does not deny existence of the opposite.

Those people aware of clinical relatioship of the drugs he addicted can precisely talk about the cause of death and there can be some substantial reason why does he go for all that. He did a dramatic outlook of personality with his shining skin from black, and human body has limitation and it has some expiry date too.

no matter whoever is in the earth, he shall face same destiny either today or tomorrow., because god exists and he control things and to him we are all going to return and he will be asking about what you have done with your life and you will be rewarded for that., every human being should take lesson from anyone's death that he will be also in queue to grave yard like micheal jackson. so let us forget it now about him.

I meant he didn't provoke authorities or governments, he was not politically rebellious or a campaigner, anything else is really none of my business. I always thought he was special.

Salam

He provoked a lot of people.

I don't think any intelligence planned for his death, simply because he has been with his own personal issues for years and hadn't produced any music for many years before his death. He hadn’t provoked any authorities, and actually he never did.

Salam

the media and how they whip up all this hysteria when someone dies. MJ had no influence in politics and certainly wasn't known for having ANY lucid political and social views.

I don't think he was murdered. He lived a very risky lifestyle as a drug addict and that is bound to catch up with anyone. What amazes me is how so many people outside the US are glorifying him. UGH.

I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Cargodog,

I hope Tallg and cycnbob learn from your style. Although you did not agree with my argument you were reasonable in your response!

I won't be surprised if they don't admit the lesson.

Tallg & cycnbob,

I honestly try to enlighten people and have nothing against any nation so please save the electronic energy and write some e-mails to old friends or relatives instead.

I try to address certain issues in an independent manner but you keep accusing me of being so and so- i don't know who is low.

My argument may have been wrong but this is a different issue. While I made no mention of US and West, you kept charging me of doing so claiming some previous impressions! this is honestly stupid because many of the issues addressed by MJ's songs, for example, I would attribute to many governments in almost every continent.

This is why I think you are hopeless cases!

Cargodog,

Thank you!

If Tallg and cycnbob are fair, they will consider your post- at least within themselves. Don't be surprised if you become anti Western of some sort though.

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North Wagadugu or South Wagadugu?

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CBD: I'm with TallG on this one. I don't see MJ being assassinated for being a thread to any influential people (western or not). But that's not why I respond to this post. I rather enjoyed the argument between you three (TallG, CynBob and CBD). I'm not going to comment on whether CBD is anti-western or not. What did puzzle me in this discussion, was when TallG said that CBD keeps twisting threads in a anti-western direction, when that had nothing to do with the initial post. It's a fair point, if in fact CBD does that. But then, why do TallG and CynBob both comment on CBD's anti-western opinions in a thread that has not mentioned anything about anti-western ideas? Is that not a perfect example of you guys trying to "twist other, completely unrelated threads round"??

Just an observation. ;-)

If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough...

He wanted badly to do his planned tour but freaked the swine flu. To overcome his financial problems, he faked his death to collect his life insurance benefits and boost his sales.

I thik he is now in Wagadugu immitating Tarzan.

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masturbation mishap.

But I'm sure some doctors gonna get charged...

You can't teach experience...

You guys can say whatever you want....

he is still alive...

;)

cynbob - I think you might be the first QLer to ever admit getting turned on by another QLers posts!

QL - satisfaction guaranteed.

I don't know whether you include me or not because I cannot and will not try to figure out your way of thinking.

In other words, it matters not to me whether I am included in your anti-American thoughts or not. Like I've stated before, I find it amusing and I rather enjoy it.

I was responding to you objecting to the fact that you refuse to see the correlation of your previous posts and your reputation on QL as an anti-American/West poster.

There is a correlation and please, don't disappoint by stopping your ant-West posts, please!!! ;)

I didn't make those arguments at the beginning because as I already stated I couldn't give a monkeys about Michael Jackson's death. It was only when you cited his music videos as 'documented evidence' that I felt compelled to call you up on the ridiculousness of your post.

You're right that I should have written 'anti-Western governments' in my above comments. I have noted on your previous threads that you're always careful to point out that it's the governments you hate, not the people. My bad.

And following on from that, I do not think you include me when you write your anti-Western government posts and comments.

Pray for his soul to rest in peace.

Tallg, how hard was it for you you to take this approach? you should have made those reasonings at the beginning and it would have been right. you may have been dirty long ago but just realised it now, you don't have to credit me for making you aware.

Also, calling me an anti west or anti american is inability within you to comprehend. I made no mention in this thread about west or US to start with. If you rely on past records then i blamed wetsern governments and there is a big difference between the two.

cynbob, i should be saying that because both of you think i am including you when i condemn western governments and I am not.

did not know it was this touching!

CBD - your past record presents you as anti-West, and hence this thread comes across as an attempt to imply that the West assassinated Michael Jackson to cover stuff up. If it's pathetic of me to point that out, then so be it. I can live with myself.

You can't seriously be presenting music videos as 'documented evidence' that his social/political views got him assassinated?

Reasons why that's the most ridiculous thing I've heard all day;

- Those videos presented nothing that wasn't well documented and well discussed. There is nothing for people to be "deceived" about.

- They were released between 14 and 18 years ago. He has met "millions" in the period since then, so why wait til now to assassinate him?

- Music has been used to put across a political message for as long as it's been a popular art form. Many influential musicians use their music in this way. To the best of my knowledge, very few of them have been assassinated.

Somehow you've goaded me into responding "professionally". I now feel dirty and must go and have a shower.

Sorry if the truth hurts. :(

you are using past record inappropriately though. Yes, I would consider person's impression in my well reasoned response, not in marking me anti this or anti that.

I am making an argument and giving documented evidence. If you want to make a better use of your time, respond professionally. Are you not able to defend why MJ made those songs?

It is really pathetic to see some people respond as you did Tallg and cynbob.

MJ is doing my laundry now..what the heck are you people are ranting about????

You are so funny!!! LOL!!

Michael Jackson has left the building...

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HE WHO DARES WINS

Exactly cynbob.

And CBD, as cynbob said, to each his own. If you have an anti-Western stance that's fine. That in itself doesn't bother me. The things that bother me are when you try twist other, completely unrelated threads round to an anti-Western viewpoint, and when you stoop as low as to use someone's death as a starting point for an anti-Western thread. These are the times I respond to you.

You, along with every active Qler is being judged by their past and present posts. Readers get " a feel" for the kind of person they are in Cyber World.

Heck, I can pick out the bullies; the idiots; the

b!tches and bastards; as well as, the sensitive; kind-hearted; and logical posters.

So, yes, you are being judged by your previous posts as anti-American. To each his own...rock on dude, you are what you are...no problem with me.

In fact, I tune in daily to read all the anti-American rants---it kinda turns me on. ;)

I have nothing to say on Michael Jackson's death, and nothing to say about international exploiters. I was purely commenting on your agenda.

QLers will always be judged on what they've said previously, just as anyone in the real world would be. If you hadn't taken such an anti-Western stance previously then I wouldn't have read what I did into this post.

Perhaps you should reconsider what you say if you want people to take you seriously. It's probably too late for that though.

it is wrong to judge me on this thread based on my views on other thread which contained different subjects to start with.

Additionally, you may negate me by some reasons not just accuse me of being anti american because I accuse international exploiters!

you should have taken a professional approach and argued that he was not assassinated because he was not a threat of some sort, if this is what you think.

Accusing people of being this or that just because they something you do not like is a trick of someone who has nothing better to say.

I base my accusations on what I've read from you since you joined QL, and in this particular case on the words "I bielieve it is highly likely that he was assassinated, intelligently so that people stay decieved and exploitation continues."

tallg,

please show some hope! why in the heck are you so centered about me being an anti-american?

Note that I did not name any country for exploitation nor did I assure MJ's assassination!

Your response is a total disappointment when trying to enlighten people and open thier eyes!

it is your type of people who are locked up and not willing to change thier stand no matter what they see or hear!

Oh CBD is an anti-American!!! this is what you say! I gave a proper argument and if someone is guilty for it, then be it!

you can do better than this Tallg!

what CBD is referring to?

I had no idea that MJ had any ideas,,,,he certainly was never credited with any,,,except to do it with little boys.

for a discount?lol

i mean MJ was god gifted and also god gave him what he wished in his life and MJ great artist but media critic use to kill him every day

now what he died but still he cant be burried people around him still wants to sale him even he is dead

CBD sinks to a new low in his anti-American crusade. Very sad.

thats the reality....but dont tell me that all white people spend more money to become black....maybe they just want to become brown not black....

if you dnt have the knowledge of using the english vernacular properly,,, please!!!!!!!!!!!!

STOP!!!

Runour has it that he died from the side effects of a little prick..

HOWEVER, my friend Elvis tells me that he is alive and well. They have been "Jammin" for the past few days..

why people dont stop telling that black turned white

what about all white people spend so much money and send hours laying on beach ???????????????????????/

la hayath mun thu nadi

black michael jackson transformed to white jackson...from white jackson to bones....

move on fans

Mike is planning to change his appearance by plastic surgery and become a 5' 1" chinese immigrant (he is halfway there already) and you will see him in beverly hills shopping for a new Chihuahua any time soon.

has already beaten up Michael Jackson several times for marrying his daughter!!

:)

ya, Mike is alive and kicking according to inside sources. he is living with Elvis and Marilyn at the retirement home for (supposedly) dead superstars in Nevada.

They say He's alive and had a plastic surgery to change his identity

source:

my room-mate who spend the whole day in gossips

NOMS where the heck have u been? Why dont i see your name in the QL beach fest?

Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!! :)

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Why are people fighting around the world fighting for this??!!! don't they have a better work to do??!!

Fight the recessions & H1N1 instead. :D

~noms~

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"Before God we are all equally wise ' and equally foolish" - Albert Einstein

Tatz the Miracle - God has gifted ME with !!

A Head with limited Hairs and with unlimited miracles.....:)

If your head could bring things back to life wonder why your hair hasnt grown back :P

Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!! :)

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Smokey !!

I thought that the sun rays reflecting from my head will hit Michaels jacksons eyes and he will wake up and be ALIVE again.

BUT

Nuthing such happened....:(

Rizks you actually got leave from company to go to States? Also you went to do MOON walk there or to show your MOON bald head there?

Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!! :)

_[]~SMoKE~[]_

Ok lets settle this once and for all...Heads - he died, Tails - He got murdered! Oh wait in both cases HE'S DEAD!

Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!! :)

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Micheal Jackson death hurted me SO much tat i purchased the first available ticket to States to reach the cemetry JUST to DO Moon Walk in front of his Body for the whole day....:(

died or murdered - lol

smoke both r legands

I feel another Elvis conspiracy coming along. Get a life people!

Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!! :)

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a per walks in to his personal doc and then after half in hour the doc cal 911 after he died fron half hour

let me guess

Sorry mayb I m too tired or sumthing but dint understand u.. Why again do u think he is murdered??

" Dont take life too seriously, you will never get out alive!!!"

he has bean murdered

this what even he daed people dont let him in peace still he is been used as he is in his cofin for biz

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nope.

just a fake "dead" for a long retirement!

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you probably mean he is dead but his music still alive.

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He is alive!

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