Muslim but not an Arab
By realsomeone •
its found that alot of people think Muslims are only Arabs, I am a Muslim, though not an arab, facts about Muslims.
WE are ONE nation (of Muhammad S.A.W.)
Our God is ONE
Our Messenger (S.A.W.) is ONE
Our belief is ONE
our book is ONE
Our land is ONE
Our people are ONE people
Our Peace is ONE and
Our War is ONE
WE are the ONLY globalized Nation.
yes,not all arabs are muslim,lebanon,egypian,etc,they are arabs but not a muslims,the misconception about the muslim is so much, there is also so many type of muslim,im not talking about the sect,im talking about the person it self,as long as he or she believed that there is one god and mohd is a prophet he is muslim,but his not praying,he still a muslim,there is bad muslims also,a good muslim,lazy muslim,etc.all of them are muslim.that why any muslim need to do something to increase there faith.do your obligatory being a muslim...because god will asked...what did you in your life...Inshaallah god will caunts our good deeds.
Right, I was heading to cook supper quite some time ago. Later all.
Lol. Yes, I much prefer to listen to him too. Did you catch the Doha Debates? I thought he was super. I was not here for that but had met him before he came to Qatar.
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Did you snag a free copy of his book? Not the best writer on the planet, but what he has to say is so interesting that it makes up for his style.
He handled some of the slightly right of Ghengis Khan individuals in the audience like a master. A great speaker.
muslims are now becoming more materialistics their views are base on what good should be in this world, getting reference to the book of man, blaming muslims for the destruction while excusing others, is in't this world is just a play? aim not for better place to live here but in the hereafter worry not for the catastrophe we are having now for we are destine for that (eversince b4 we are created) but look forward to your condition once you die.
Muslim hold fast to the rope of Allah! not to the opinion of any great people you think they are!
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.So annoying muslims dont show love and care..
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"Born optimist,Nothing can keep me too low 4 too long.
Happy for what I have today but Tomorrow is really another day."
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Yes, he's great. I met him recently and basically just sat there with my mouth open (aargh, hope not) listening to him. Great knowledge and vision. He can talk the hind legs off a donkey. Actually I was sitting there thinking I should be taking notes but felt that would make me look really dumb lol.
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I agree DiamondGirl, they are doing excellent work. I have a lot of time for Ed Husein and what he stands for. He has come closest to the Mahatma Ghandi character I mentioned above. It is a shame that he is under threat of death from "brothers" in his community.
I'm looking for the references that show Mr.Husein and his foundation to be tools of of Western conspiracy as per:
"...Ed hussein and his foundation are proved to be working under cover for western goverment specially the goverment of UK to inject Muslims to divide Muslims by pretending to be modern Muslims."
To date, they haven't been provided...
Realsomeone, The Quilliam Foundation are not working under cover for the UK government. They're trying to inject some sanity where madness exists in the Islamic world.
Ed Husain and Maajid Nawaz are co-directors of the Quilliam Foundation. Here's a link:
www.quilliamfoundation.org
They are a specialist think tank and campaign group who have rejected extreme Islamism.
Worth a look on their website. They're doing good work.
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And as much fun as this little debate has been, I must go make some supper. Yum.
I do find the way that the conversation has been lowered to "us and them" to be very indicative.
"You people..."
What an odd phrase. Who are "you people"? Speaks volumes, don't you think?
You have just answered my point of view, if you put 100 Muslims from 100 countries who speak 100 different mother tongues, you will get 90 different opinions on Islam. There is little agreement of the interpretation of Koran. You know this. You are deluding yourself to think otherwise.
Well, we'll give Realsomeone the benefit of the doubt on the "nation" definition as a nation is generally a group with a shared affinity, beliefs and values, but doesn't have to have a territory. The Kurds would be a nation with no state, as would be the Paletinians today and the Jews for many years. To say that Muslims are the ONLY globalized nation is a gross error, but I will accept the accuracy of calling them a nation, albeit a very weak one. ANd by weak I mean sense of cohesion, not power.
and still to get me right, i'm not saysing that there is something wrong with islam, no i'm saying that there is everything wrong with moslems these days.
when we follow islam we are moslems, when we don't. WE ARE NOT.
wrong Gumby, Islam doesnot contradict, our book is clear proved by the scientists you believe, we can find millions who agree on it.
but we can find few who disagree on it. what you people always misunderstand is Islam & Muslim, this two words have two different meanings, Islam is pure religion which is clearly demonstrated in its books, Muslim is a human being that accepted Islam, and as you may expect human beings are not perfect so you wont find all perfect Muslims too. so dont mistake.
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Interesting Realsomeone. I guess we'll have to call this one a diamond on diamond. I do look forward to speaking again in the future, hopefully about the next Canada/Russia hockey game.
no realsomeone, i don't think i'm wrong , look around, what islam and moslems are now, nothing, what can they do, nothing, is this islam, no i don't think so. look at every mousque many ppl go every day, but no one goes out to do the right thing, hope to see real moslem country before i die, but with what's happening i don't think so.
Our belief is ONE
--> Sunnis and Shiittes have different beliefs.
our book is ONE
--> With different interpretations.
Our land is ONE
--> Geographically it's not. And muslims have fought against eachother for land.
Our people are ONE people
--> U can't say we're one when there are sects killing eachother!
Our Peace is ONE and
Our War is ONE
--> we're fighting against each other!!
WE are the ONLY globalized Nation.
--> Islam is a religion not a country.
I'm not always right, but I'm never wrong -Garfield
Anyway, about those references...
nothing went wrong only what the influencers planned for long time is happening and indeed this doesnot affect the true Muslims faith in heart and this is what i mean by unity.
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I'm sure that there is one "true" Islam, only problem is, I don't think that we can find 100 people who agree what this may be...
lol sister i was sure you will be the one who understands me finally.
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Realsomeone,
Look inward son, look inward. Stop with the external conspiracy theories and ask yourself, as the Bernard Lewis book does, "What Went Wrong?"
true Alexa, gumby and i have gone off track because i think what realosones topic is about is muslims faith as one, not whats really happening around the world, icould be wrong... Realsomeone i think youve opened a can of worms..lol..
you are wrong. there is true Islam but there maybe some not true muslims. dont mistake again.
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there is no ture islam these days, if there is i can't find them, so what we see and talk about isn't islam its like every other religion, ppl don't work by their religions now.
i might be wrong,
Poverty is everywhere, its true that rich Arab nations neglect other Muslim countries and also other arab countries that they can help but this is not the end of the world.
what i always talked about here is not countries or tribes or poverty or rich, i talked about unity in heart and normal people not politicians and goverment leaders these guys are the ones employed by the external influencers to look like Muslims have internal problem.
but the real problem is coming from outside through these special interest people.
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Never, in any way said that they were limited to the Arab/Muslim world.
However, the largest block of countries with a common language/religion and culture that suffers from the 2nd highest poverty rates in the world is the Middle East and North Africa. Again, with the exception of sub-Saharan Africa (which is made up of many differing language, religious and ethnic groups) no area on the planet with such a large, talented and cohesive block is as poverty stricken and poorly educated as the MENA. Why should this be so? Why can't the MENA nations get their acts together? It completely baffles me.
There is no reason that this should be, given the linguistic, cultural and religious cohesion of the region it should be world leader.
Gumby you make some good points, I do agree the muslim nations arent united hence why all this conflict. Politics is mind boggling and we will never fully understand it due to people personal agendas and if muslim leader were united then well maybe things would be different.
However when you talk about poverty, lack of education etc etc, they arent really confined to muslims countries. You would be surprised to see these things in non-muslim countries too such as the West.
No system is perfect, now is it?
Still waiting for those references, btw... ;-)
I never said Islam is a violent religion.
I will say that an unfortunate minority of Muslims are in favour of violent action, when I meet a Muslim Mahatma Ghandi standing up against the violent minority publicly, loudly, proudly and without fear of some of his own people I will change my point of view. When I see people following this man or woman and developing the sort of societies that they should be developing given the tremendous talent available in the Muslim world I will change my point of view. When I see that the 22 Arab Muslim countries are no longer the most poverty-stricken and under-educated on the planet with the exception of sub-saharan Africa I will change my point of view.
Again, internal influences are far more damaging to the Islamic world than external influences will ever be.
When the Muslim world has itself squared away and its internal divisions worked out it can return to the time of greatness it once had. I see no leader on the horizon anywhere who can provide that to the Muslim world in our lifetime. With the burgeoning population rates (something like 50% under the age 30-where the are jobs and opportunities for these people?)and a dependence on natural resource economy, the future is not particularly reassuring for the Arab/Muslim world. This is a shame, it had such promise.
ROFL. "Muslims but we should not lose hope and not forgot to emphasize we are one nation, united by one common believe." But you aren't a muslim, and you aren't a muslim and you aren't a muslim. "Ed hussein and his foundation are proved to be working under cover for western goverment specially the goverment of UK to inject Muslims to divide Muslims by pretending to be modern Muslims."
:P So you're all one nation but only if you believe exactly the same thing Realsomeone does.
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its unfortunate you take "our war is one" as your misconception about Islam, and this clearly shows you believe Islam is violent religion which i certain did not say ,
every nation has a war and the war i mean is if we are attacked we of course unite against attackers to one war.
you are right sister, nadt, its not the perfect time prophet muhammed (phub) left the Muslims but we should not lose hope and not forgot to emphasize we are one nation, united by one common believe.
its external influence that divided us and that same external are trying to divide us when we try to emphasize our unity. its happening right here.
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Realsome,
Your references for your assertions about Mr.Hussein please. You'll understand while I'm inclined to accept a published author who provides his references.
Someone explain to me where the idea of the "Ummah" came from. Does it appear in the Koran, or was it the creation of later "scholar"?
I know what you are trying to say realsomeone and if it were followed correctly your right but sadly not all muslims think like you. May god increase the muslim iman and unite them all...
Realsomeone,
Yes, you do belong to a unique community, but it is no more nor no less unique than any other religious community on the planet.
If you wish to put emphasis on the idea that not all Muslims are Arabs, and put emphasis on the diversity within the Muslim world, that is certainly a worthy cause, particularly the way that some Arab and South Asian cultural traits are considered to be "Muslim", rather than cultural.
However, your blurb above is both inaccurate and inflammatory.
"Our war is one"-good job reinforcing the violent stereotypes too often held of Muslims.
"Our land is one"-No, it isn't.
"Our belief is one"-Again, this is what you might wish, but no, it isn't.
There is so much promise in the Muslim world, but unrealistic opinions such as yours don't help develop it.
It's not great the whole world be one, what make the world's beauty comes from the variety we have.
I'm muslim and not arab but there is reality on the ground says different things. I know what you mean but it's not on the ground yet.
But when you talk about being one nation and united this is clearly not the case.
The majority of Muslims are from asian nations. The first three most highly populated being Indonesia, Pakistan and Bangaladesh.
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But you aren't unique realsomeone, you kill each other like every other group does, also there's no misconception in this forum about which ethnicity's are Muslim
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Ed hussein and his foundation are proved to be working under cover for western goverment specially the goverment of UK to inject Muslims to divide Muslims by pretending to be modern Muslims.
Killings and fightings are human nature but our message unites us. see the haj alone.
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The sad part is when a muslim kills a muslim like in a war between two muslim countries the other muslims take sides but do not stop the war
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well diamondgirl, i am not seeking your agreement and i did not say muslims are not killing themselves as any other community but i just say what we are unique about .
and secondly i just wanted to make clear the misconception Muslims being considered only as arabs this was my aim of the topic.
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Unfortunately, I have to agree with DiamondGirl. I was going to mention that Ed Hussein, during his speech at the QF a while back laid out an impressive argument that more Muslims have been killed throughout history by other Muslims than have been killed by others.
I was afraid to say that though.
What does that say about me when I am afraid of the reaction such a statement would get?
it's not any person who says chahada is a real muslim,islam is peace in mind but some others they don't like peace.
It would be great if the whole world will be 'ONE'
Realsomeone, although I am a Muslima, based on your history of comments here on QL, I find I have very little in common with you.
I think everyone will agree that Muslims are killing each other day in and day out. Not united at all.
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Realsome, you just keep telling yourself that as you watch the news day in and day out of Muslims killing each other. Some "nation" indeed. Muslims are as riven by ethnic, cultural and linguistic hatreds as any other group.
LOL obviously I dont' know how to spell Shiitte??? Shiite, SHEEITE?
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well that may sound a wishfull thinking to you but well we consider our selves Brothers & Sisters its true our people are from every nationality and every race but we are united by One word "Islam" therefore we are one people belong to one nation called Islam.
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...just switch on the TV and you know that all muslims are not one!
Unless of course you're sunni or shite.
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