Qatari marriage to non-national...

You can book Al-Jewan Hall for the marriage. There are separate halls for male reception and female reception.

I'd sit them down for a LONG series of serious counseling sessions - both individual and couple counseling, maybe some family group sessions as well. What I see is a guy who has some issues surrounding a rescue/white knight fantasy that he is transfering to this girl. I'd be be rather worried about what happens when the princess no longer needs to be saved from her evil family/kingdom. I'd talk to her about her reasons for seemingly repudiating her family and culture - has she had some real abuse that has happened to her here and/or is she showing emotional immaturity in playing into this "save me" game? I'd be concerned about what he would do when she becomes homesick and blames her situation on him. I'd like to explore child-rearing issues with them. What would happen if she has some traditional cultural ideas about children that she accepts as normative and he sees as restrictive (such as treating boys and girls differently.) We all have mutliple motivations and family issues, I'd just like to make certain that these aren't the principle reasons for their action, that they are mature enough to discover and respect the actual person they wish to have a relationship with instead of projecting their fantasies and ideas on an unknown. I'm not sure I see him particularly as able to accept the parts of her that are traditionally Qatari - and yes, I'm sure she has some. I'd ask her about her ideas and expectations of marriage and Australia. "Happily ever after" doesn't always happen. I'd liek to make sure theya re prepared for the difficulties which WILL ensue.

Mandi

I find it amazing how "blue eyed" some people are. Celltech, you have read some things, and now you think you can "rescue" this woman from her fate?

Seriously?

You have no idea whatsoever, and I base this opinion on what you have written, what you are talking about.

And again I ask you this question : How come your on line Qatari girlfriend does not know the rules of her tribe/family/ society?

Well said. Excellent post, show me a single society anywhere on this planet who has adopt/accepted any social/cultural changes so easily and peacefully ?

Many think that the conservatives among us are men only. While in fact the strongest opponents to changes are women. Campaigns in social societies, shopping malls and Internet forums are run by conservative women intellects who promote among local women to preserve proper hijab, abandon the trendy abbaya, promote wearing the face veil, and express their disapproval about gender mixing in government offices & educational institutes

I can't deny that there were many women figures in our society who tried to break free and were witch hunted by the society and become an outcast. In fact some even question their morals! But things have drastically changed in the past few years in a way that many locals felt that change was enforced on them. That's why many now are fighting this change.

many locals still live in rural areas, Some still prohibit satellite tv at their homes

We don't all share the same Mindset nor can expect people to accept changes right away

you are dreaming man, i think if u want her the best leave her or let her leave the middle wast

leave the poor guy alone, he's from western australia.....they're a little bit slower in the part of the country :)

"Your undue scepticism and somewhat queer questions speak of the insecure and arrogant mindset typically encountered." I will just pass , since I was trying to help you here and that is somehow my fault.

" Women are not property" ,so we do agree on something here.

My points were

Her parents will be very hesitant even if you look/behave as a decent person, because you are a stranger ,simple as that.You aren't from the neighbourhood so no one really can check your background.It's not like you will bring your criminal record to your job interview.

Legal complications can become a serious issue in the "Future" in case of disagreements (divorce) and her parents will think about this point.

As for my third point which triggered the personal attack against me, simply I was explaining to you its perfectly normal if the Qatari society or any other society doesn't accept interracial marriage or giving their daughters to outsiders, look at your own country's past, the European settlers didn't start mingling and mixing with the indigenous people when they first landed, so don't expect the Qataris to be any different, a Qatari family won't sell you their daughter, she is not a property !

Again am sorry If I've caused you any discomfort or left a bitter taste in your mouth, but I was trying to help/explain, that's why I mentioned to you in my earlier post, it might be easier if you move in.Good luck.

CT, you may be missing an important point here. No matter how much your Qatari lady and you may deplore the societal customs and laws of Qatar, she is still Qatari and is part of this very society. We all internalize the cultural norms of our upbringing and I think you might be surprised down the line how "Qatari" your lady may turn out to be in many ways. At least think about her position in society - here she is at the top of the food chain (so to speak), in Australia she is just one more immigrant with a headscarf and an accent. And I think you underestimate how much she will miss her homeland and her family. I suspect she will be very lonely in Australia and quite out of her element. I know this is all very exciting and exotic for now but there are a lot of years of a hard slog ahead after the romance disappears. What will you do when your rescued princess tells you she misses her home and her family desperately?

Mandi

celltech, and your

Qatari on line girlfriend does not know the rules of her tribe/family/country ?

Really? lol

Oryx,spot on in every way.

It's not my wish to antagonise or become embroiled over cultures and clans and countries. I am certainly critical of some comments here, but that is all. I am not asking for approval, and from Qatari, I don't expect any. I'm aware of the attitudes and sensitive egos. Qatar is great, women are truely liberated, and I was wrong to think there is anything at all to point at, as somehow unfair or wrong. It's me that is obviously to blame for abuse oppression and lording over. How cunning of me to try to lure away some girl, who is safe and sound where she is. My sinister plan was to snatch her away from the loving and caring culture that nurtures women and even lets them work. Pitstop, you especially ripped away the veneer that covered my cruel deception. I would have gotten away with it too, if you hadn't arranged my own words in such a clever and carefully edited presentation. I'm exposed now, like a dear caught in a noose. You are truely clever, and I feel outclassed and defeated. I should have known that your version of my comments are what I was really saying. How did you attain such high standards. I'm truely impressed with your devotion to your cause.... I'll end my relationship straight away, because I want to do just like you would have me do. Your council is what I need. I see that now.

As for those who took offence at my critique, I apologise, I should have taken more care, and time, to avoid inflametary remarks. But for what it's worth, breaking the silence is what must come first, if social progress is to make inroads. I regret getting the wind up you, because it wasn't really what I wanted to do. Not to me or you. Maybe I'll come back and rekindle the fire sometime. The culture/clans/laws and victims aren't going away anytime soon... sincerely.

You really know nothing about Qatar, its people, or its customs... as much as your girlfriend has told you, there is much you still don't know...

You talk about respect, yet you have absolutely no respect for any of the people, Qatar and Expat that have given you sound advice regarding the ways of Qatar...

You think you know it all, so why did you bother to come on here and ask our opinions and if things would work?

Genesis and Pitstop are Qatari, as much as we all disagree on here, they do know what they are talking about... take heed to what they are saying... you will come short with your quest if you don't...

Oh and Oryx isn't lying about the brothers in the desert thing.... This country is tribal and no-one is giong to stop the Qataris from doing what the Qataris want to do... Certainly not an Australian troll (Genesis, I concur) who thinks he knows everything...

MMyke, while I do hear with what you are saying, you live here and you know better how things go... regardless of what you might say, its life in Qatar and as you should know by now, there is nothing anyone except the Qataris can do about that...

is objective.

Calling Qatari girls farm-animals is not exactly the way to win friends ...

hamadaCZ

Allow me to interpet your questions, before I answer them. We are not naive children, and certainly concern ourselves with not only the questions you pose, but all the issues of life beyond here and now. The fact that ultimately there are no certaities remains, but Qatari are not special. Your undue scepticism and somewhat queer questions speak of the insecure and arrogant mindset typically encountered. Sorry mate, Qatari women need your brand of protection like they need a balloonist. Women are not property. Go to the yardsales and buy a calf, and keep it all you want. View women in the same way, and the sly shame will ooze from you like it is now. I'm seriously thinking of marriage with this lady. We know what we are doing. It's completely inapropriate of you to question my character, my background or the future of my children. What specimen box did you crawl out of? Are you going to know anything at all if I answer you? Go home, earn some respect.

We tried..... khallas if he ends up buried in the desert its not our fault.

Won't be the first wont be the last.

britexpat, yes, true Love. LOL ..

I am assuming that you have been having an "internet relationship" and haven't met personaly. Is that right ?

"Pitstop is the personification of denial. How do you think women manage to get on in these crazy scenarios. Pitstop shows us how."

Personification of denial? LOL -- hilarious,,

Magool ila Allah yib3idna 3an halaShkal ou ilsharha mub 3aleihum, ila 3ala ilBugar ila ya36oonhum wayh. La 7asheema wella karama ,, Allah ilMusta3an!

Have a blessed Friday everyone and if you are donating, tonight from 6 - 7, we'll be waiting for you. (hijacking for a better cause).

celltech you are obviously not looking for advice. You are trying to trash everyone who is giving you any advice so what's the point. Go to the forums which have made you so "well-informed" about Qatar.

Let me quote your own words:

"We, however, have no intention to live in Qatar, but would be living here, in friendly Western Australia."

"Also, can her guardian(owner or whatever...) prevent her from leaving the state, and would she have no legal right to be in charge of her own self? Like ...a farm animal ?"

"Qatari really are still oppressing their women shamelessly."

"What prevents us to elope at the nearest mosque regardless of the complications of others."

"Is it just me, or is there something deeply digusting about a person being lawfully coerced by people who couldn't give a damn for her wishes, let alone her wellbeing."

"I have not been to Qatar, but I have been shoping for a good airfare..."

"The wars raged with her parents, for several years, and indeed, she is a remarkably stron individual. She's worn her parents out."

"if Qatar law or culture presents as overly ideotic, we will be looking to bypass Qatar alltogether and get on with our lives. We have no intention to live in the place. It's only a marriage. Our marriage. If the state, or her family don't want to be a part of that...they can watch our dust."

"I am looking to marry a person.A fully grown, highly inteligent, educated and remarkably strong willed woman. Finished. Our desire to determine our lives in this way is entirely legitimate. Should her family be in this unfortunate condition, where they believe she and I are commiting some unforgivable offence, than I pitty them, and regret their unhealthy mindset , but I certainly am not responsible for their compromised state of being. They choose to cast out their daughter, or perhaps not. "

"Oh, and there is a list as long as my arm, of shamefull traditions/oppressions etc with which Qatari women are imposed upon."

... and a lot more ...

But your comment/reply to me made no sense. What poison are you referring to? I was stating facts. And who's bullying who? Am I missing something?

You have been nothing but disrespectful to my Country and my People. Why get into a marriage that you know would cause shame and pain? And you are saying that, not me. As I said, be simple and do it the right way. Instead of coming onto an online community to draw your nasty laundry, you should talk to your so-called Girlfriend and see what you could do about Your Situation.

If you want the rules/regulations/laws, then ask the right people. Since you want other peoples opinions, then you got a lot of it - so suck it up and be a man.

Genesis, you are welcome.

Why do you care about the rules of Qatar...if she is to live in "friendly western Australia"?

Get her out of the country and you guys are done.

Now may be you want tips on how a girl can get out of the country?

who told you they're not!Your concept of freedom might not be equivalent to most Qatari women

I shall not speak on their behalf

Here are few liberal Qatari women intellects blogs, you can ask them their opinion on Qatari women rights

dr. Amal Al Malki

http://amalalmalki.com/

Mimi's Words

http://mimizwords.wordpress.com/

Bint Khalid

http://thebrirafile.wordpress.com/

Qatari Gal

http://www.confessionsqatar.com/2010/04/new-mcdreamy-in-da-house.html

Oryx, having lived there for 7 years means nothing in this debate. Abuse is the same the world over. The same tacktics, the same propaganda, the blaming of the victims, the lame twisting of facts so as to oppress the victims for their own good... many people will be in a place for 7 or 37 years, and remain plain stupid over social ills, because it is very disruptive to become aware, and do or say nothing. I know full well that many Qatari women will defend their own condition of bondage and oppression. I'm ok with that. Labels like culture and clan don't make anything right, and offer no excuse. Your comments are hollow and stereotypical. Go back to sleep, and learn to live with others that remain wakefull, and make some noise. Pitstop is the personification of denial. How do you think women manage to get on in these crazy scenarios. Pitstop shows us how. Honour is something oppressors desperately lack. Using the word is worlds away from having some. Sorry, there is no honour found in Abuse. Be it a clan or otherwise. I don't criticise what you write, I correct you. And once again, I'm commenting on abuse of positional power, and your efforts to somehow accuse me of "superimposing" is lame. Every human being everywhere will experience the same grief when being oppressed. "My values" don't come into it. No one values a broken arm or leg do they? How utterly stupid and embarressing of you to suggest my disaproval of abuse is merely a personal value, that others don't nessesarely share. You are truely special.. a stand out.

Allow me to ask you few questions:

How can her parents run a background check on you?

In case you both got married and later on agreed on divorce, which state law will be enforced ? Qatari or Australian ? what about guardian custody in case of children ?

If we turn back the clock, have your ancestors married any indigenous people when they first landed in Australia ?

Did I offend you.. clearly I did. There really isn't much substance at all in the poison pouring out of you. giving up life? Family and friends are not being given up, it's a marriage, that's all. No one is giving up anything. Certainly not my girlfriend. As to the many gorgeous men, ....epic fail. I'm pretty well informed on the situation there. She works in a mixed environment, and gets hit on constantly. She will not consider any local man, and I am well able to see why, when I hear the accounts of how it is in real life for single women. You seem to think that your idillic account is rooted in reality, only I know better. State aproval etc...I know many.... gorgeous children... your horse puckey is dripping from you like oil from a drum... and what I can afford and what I can not, is hardly subject to your arbetory estimation. Sorry to have lifted the lid on your little abuse racket, but bullying women arround leaves you with little else but shame... it's all yours pitstop.

Cheers.

that the conservatives believe that if Qatari women become free they will run away from their oppression?

simply be free?

There are many I assure you. In fact there is an exact annual figure with the

Ministry of welfare of Qatari women divorcee in interracial marriages. Those cases mostly

Of women married to other Arab nationalities and yet have failed

I don't deny that there is still a long road for Qatari women to obtain their full rights.

But this not ignored by Qatari feminists who have in top of their agenda issues like

Citizenship for Qatari women offspring, divorcees & widows rights, fair maternal leaves,and most

Importantly domestic violence.

The family law 22/2006 have granted Qatari women many of her rights and yet there are particular

Laws that still need to be amended to comply with international women rights.

The state can't reflect those changes immediately. Most conservatives are already complaining that

The law changes & reforms in the past few years is an attempt to westernize the society.of course terms like

Westernization and secularism scares most of the public. Therefore, they hold still to their norms

Instead of criticising what I say you should read it carefully. I have lived here for 7 years and know the society very well. You are superimposing your values onto a country that you have never even visited.

This is a clan based society where honour is very important.

Also read very carefully what Pitstop wrote.

thank you PITSTOP for your insightful post, this thread needed the opinion of an intelligent Qatari girl like yourself

No Intelligent, Strong Willing, Honest, Caring Woman would give up her life, family and friends for a Man.

Nothing is wrong with being 28 and single. We have many Worthy Gorgeous Men in Qatar, so any Local Girl that is looking to ELOPE with a foreign dude needs medical attention.

I know many Local Girls that married Non-Qatari's BUT it was done legally and with respect. The Man met the parents, with his family and proposed the respectful and correct way. They are all happily married with their families and loved ones support and love, and have the States approval as well. They have gorgeous children that have an extended family to be proud of.

Why bring shame to the Girl's family? And you say you love her? You can't even afford to buy a ticket to Qatar! I feel sorry for this Stupid Girl that is your so-called Girlfriend.

so the system doesn't help out like they think it should, eh? Thats no surprise really.

But its not just Qatar I am talking about,,,I guess its most of the 3rd world that astounds me. Everybody wants to move to Canada, or a similiar place, yet they will remain in their home country and treat everyone else like a piece of dirt. Look at Africa,,,why we give those tyrants billions of dollars is beyond me,,,and the list goes on,,,,

Oh well, its time to water the grass,,,,

ciao.

Mmyke considering the deranged opposition, it is not surprising that there are some failures, although I doubt that there are "many". Qatar has one of the very highest divorce rates in the world. Over 80 per month,and it's no secret as to why or how...

has a chance of failure, and a big chance I would add. But a bunch of bureaucrats, or religious people do not have the ability to foretell this, unless it is as obvious as Sandra Bullock and Jesse James.

But its more than that, isn't it? Its whole groups of people keeping other people down...its about people not being able to make life choices freely.

One thing that separates the best cultures from the worst is this level of oppression. Every culture has repressive elements in its makeup, but its a sliding scale....and yet, the oppressors go and spend their vacation time and study time in the free countries and then return to their own to repress again.Its no secret.

I have always scorned conservatism,,,it serves no-one except those who are on top exploiting others...

mmyke, thank you for putting it simply into perspective. It's abuse plain and simple. My Qatari lady friend has shared the stories with me that simply will not find a place of rest in my mind. Deranged situations abound, and the loveless and immoral attitudes that prevail, are plain sinister. How disfunktional in the extreme. I am aware of another lady, whose family is unthinkably oppressive, and she craves to find a way out of Qatar. She is in a bad way, and no one other than her powerless friends could give a damn. Shame and lunacy is indeed, a way of life. I certainly believe that many Qatari have healthy outlooks and families, but the silence and denial is utterly widespread. Saturated. The silence cements the abuse into concrete. Better run away...

It's not only about religion & culture, very few middle eastern women interracial marriages were successful over the years. In particular, women from the gulf. It all end up badly, regardless of the parents consent.

Take for instance the story of Mariam al kalifa , the Bahraini princess who choose to marry a marine and fled to the state in 2000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meriam_Al-Khalifa

She end up divorcing her husband and returned to Bahrain. Despite of all that media circus

There are many stories like this, as I've written earlier the ministry of welfare has a dedicated section to deal with Qatari women & and thier offspring who live on welfare. Many of those cases are of women with failed interracial marriages

Of course people mindset will not change, with their perspective of those marriages been proven as a failure in most cases

You stand a better chance as a Doha resident.

drmana

Yes, you are right, as I understand it, some people have been burned in this way. But she is quiet real. We spend several hours most nights on Skype, with cams etc, and there is a solid history of correspondance. The thing is, neither of us had intentions to seek out a partner relationship. We plain simply became good friends, and woke up one day, having fallen... ..and I seriously doubt either of us can simply make the willfull decision to cut it off. I don't believe we can walk away when there is another stone to overturn.

When in love you swim the stream, you climb the mountain, you slay the dragon...

it is just as if it comes from another planet.

Its simple abuse from my standpoint.... isn't it?

Its all about restricting other people's lifestyles and choices.

There is absolutely nothing good about it,,,it does not make people better, it does not allow them to mature properly, to be balanced individuals,, and have dynamic families,,,,its all about crushing their spirits and making sure that they are not allowed to fufill their potential.

It is 2010, and the other parts of this planet have been to the moon many times, and their have been plenty of female astronaut-commanders...

Why, and I repeat why do certain people want to repress others, especially their daughters?

My own daughter is now 21 and is quantum leaps and bounds ahead of this stuff,,,,,

Just thoughts on a hot Friday morning....

Oryx, with all due respect, You are arranging the components of my situation in such a way as to blame me for the actions of others. You are wrong and I would question your motives for doing so. I am looking to marry a person.A fully grown, highly inteligent, educated and remarkably strong willed woman. Finished. Our desire to determine our lives in this way is entirely legitimate. Should her family be in this unfortunate condition, where they believe she and I are commiting some unforgivable offence, than I pitty them, and regret their unhealthy mindset , but I certainly am not responsible for their compromised state of being. They choose to cast out their daughter, or perhaps not. But Oryx, my behaviour is all I own. You said yourself that her brothers may well bury me... are we talking about a sick people ... a sick country? And since when will a damn job make up for these underhanded abusive mindsets towards her. Oh, and there is a list as long as my arm, of shamefull traditions/oppressions etc with which Qatari women are imposed upon. But it's all OK, because they can work? Get real, and face it, the complacency and indifference is deeply entrenched, and disgusting attitudes and beliefs have simply become normalised, to the point where a job covers all sins. What's wrong with a country that coerces it's women to stay put or else? A great deal, as it so happens. Damn.

what do you mean?

care to elaborate?

Does anyone think that this is a proper way to organize people's lives?

Sorry, I may sound stupid but may I ask you: Are you really sure that the person you are interacting with over internet is actually a female Qatari and not some one playing pranks on you? These things happen...so just be cautious.

If everything is real of whatever you have said, all I can say is that it is difficult but not impossible. All the best.

People have given you excellent factual advice.

Also if you come here and the family finds out there is the chance that the brothers will just bury you in the desert - and that is the truth.

You are asking her to give up her family and her country.

If we knew which family she was from we could give you more precise answers.

You are also very wrong to say that 'Qatar supresses its women shamelessly'. She has far more work opportunities here than in Australia.

It seems your options are simple:

If you want to get married in Qatar (or if you want the country to recognize your marriage as legal) then you need to follow the laws and customs of Qatar--parental approval, etc. If neither of you care about this, it is just a matter of finding a way to get her to a country that has laws that will allow her to marry by her own choice.

However, you need to keep in mind that if she travels to Australia on a tourist visa, and you marry there, it is no guarantee that she will be allowed to stay. I know that in Britain, the United States and Canada there is a strong chance she would be deported for violating the terms of her visa (i.e. she said she was coming to visit but got married). There is always a concern about fraudulent marries in which people marry citizens in order to gain residency, and Western governments are always worried about this. These countries (and this includes Australia) often issue six-month fiance visas, which allows someone to enter the country to marry. I not saying your elopement to Australia plan would not work There would be a lot of paperwork to prove the marriage is genuine, and there is no guarantee.

Personally, I think it is crazy to marry anyone you and your family and friends do not know well. This goes for both marriages when the couple are not allowed to spend significant time together beforehand and marriages in which the respective families do not have the opportunity to spend a great deal of time with the prospective son or daughter-in-law.

"freedom".

-She cannot leave the country until 30 years old.

-You have to be Muslim(im sure now)

-I request you to be honnest and come to Qatar ,if you are in love with her,the right way is at least come to Qatar,ask her hand from her father.

-If she get like a way to go out Qatar even its FORBBIDEN,she cannot come back to Qatar,if she come back,when she will arrived in the Immigration they will drop her in jail!

i don't think a Qatari lady well educadet can live forever without contact with and mother and father!impossible !this in Coran the respect of the family somting very very important..i don't think that you will appreciate that she get in trouble with her family.

-come to Qatar ,be strong,be Muslim take a certificate in Islamic institution names AL FANAR they are very nice people,then go head and ask her hand to her father that the right way for -don't get in trouble

-be safe you and her

-God bless your marriage

-and for she stay in good relation with her family!!

i did learn your message that you say this is your marriage...'our marriage'

yes it is IF her father accept to give her hand it will be like we say in arabic terms "HALLAL".

I know is not easy....but nothing in the life is easy even you Christian,Muslim,jew,bouddah...

All we came from one God but with differents believes!

The state has no say In that as long as the family disapproves the marriage. There is no written law that prevent such marriages. In case of men, government's approval is must for ease of citizenship for their wives and offspring. Citizenship of Qatari women's offspring have been debated for years at many forums, with many of our elders at the advisory council expressed their disapproval of reviewing the citizenship law. Ministry of welfare records were bad indication for reaching a final amendment of the current citizenship law, as it shows high percentage of failed interracial marriages among Qatari women. Where they end up divorced and living on welfare. All those cases are well documented, and most qataris are aware of consequences of allowing such marriages. That's why most families think twice before giving their consent to interracial marriages

Love is nicest emotion in our life, but beware not to indulge yourself in a catastrophe. Qatari women are Fortress and aren't permitted to marry anybody except Qatari or GCC males only especially if the girl descends from the royal family. So, keep yourself away from troubles either for you or for her.

Sorry for my hardness

very interesting document JOHN OF ARC!!!

I enjoy to learn it..

You know sometimes that case takes to much times...

We can say ..that they keep at secret.

For sure our Emir feel that case..but is very complicated when is with the royal family..

the point in that the most important is there is no nationality for LOVE and the AGE also doesn't matter!!

If you're serious about your inquiry , you won't need government's approval in case

You have the family's consent. As long you're muslim, you

Can marry in a sharia court.

hi shark

I have not been to Qatar, but I have been shoping for a good airfare...

This lady refused her parents efforts to set up meetings with guys that wanted her hand in marriage. She refused, and never did meet these guys that the parents had arranged for her. The wars raged with her parents, for several years, and indeed, she is a remarkably stron individual. She's worn her parents out.

She is 28 years old.

Her parents do not know of our relationship, but she believes they may resighn to her determination. If it will preserve her relationship with them, I will certainly go along with whatever is expected of us. Whatever conditions may come, if Qatar law or culture presents as overly ideotic, we will be looking to bypass Qatar alltogether and get on with our lives. We have no intention to live in the place. It's only a marriage. Our marriage. If the state, or her family don't want to be a part of that...they can watch our dust.

*****THERE IS RULE IN ISLAM*****

we follow that rules,as when we come to foreigners countries we do our best to respect your law.

so is the same ...

Also in Qatar,woman's have a lot of freedom they can work,they can drive,also they can divorce them hasband and be very powerfull...in comparaison with Saoudia Arabia there are so free...

Sheika Moza the wife of our Emir is the responsable of the freedom and she give the voice for the woman..

before it was not like that....but we cannot think about before we have to think of the new vision of Qatar including man and woman citizen and all who come work or visit Qatar...

Mandi,thank you for your kind reply. Muslim marry muslim should be fine. (I'm not quiet that naive). She's 28 y/old, and this is the important question that you touch on. How sure are you regarding the ability to leave without permission, and the change of status at 25. What prevents us to elope at the nearest mosque regardless of the complications of others. And thank you very much again. And yes,long talks is what we will be having. Is it just me, or is there something deeply digusting about a person being lawfully coerced by people who couldn't give a damn for her wishes, let alone her wellbeing.

I think that in my all life i did lesson that a Qatari woman want's to get mary with a foreigner...

I'm married with a french woman..

There is Qatari man married with American,indians,philipines...i know someones..

But belives me that Qatari woman...with europeen or western...NEVER..

Also I would like ask you some questions?

-Did you come Qatar?

-Did talk to her parents directly about marriage?

-How old is she?

Also i think to get married with a national you have to be Muslim...i think...maybe 75% you have to!

Also i want to told you that is more easy(there is a few by the way and there is so many conditions!!) a man get approuval to get married with europeen..then a western get the approuval to get married a national Qataria...

Oh, dear, I'm afraid there are some serious obstacles to overcome. First, Muslim women cannot marry non-Muslim men. Secondly, Qatari women cannot marry non-Qataris without parental, family and government approval. If she is under 25 she cannot leave the country without her father's/brother's permission. If she were to do any of these things she could not come back to Qatar. In addition, no Qatari can hold dual citizenship. I suggest the two of you have a good, long talk before embarking on a move that would cut her off from her parents, family, religion and country.

Mandi

Troll

so I will be online till Fajr Prayers

Eco - How come you are still awake :)

which made you seek info from Non Qatari's here on QL

KHATTAK At least show some respect... and I am to show respect to whome exactly? I am not disrespectfull,I am not making statements. I asked a question or two, and your advice seems good, only I was hoping for answers. Perhaps the sad stranger calling me names would be better helped with council regarding respect. I have come away from prominent sites that elaborate on the abuse of positional power and oppression of women...in Qatar. I'm very sorry if my "respectfull reservations" offend some, but I have no reason to reject outright the possibility of abuse. Plenty of wife bashers in my community, ...how about you?

Cell- If you are being honest in your OP,here is an advice - Ask her to go out of Qatar on vacation,take her to Australia,get married and tell her to forget about returning to Qatar ever.

That's the best you can do for her. Your idea of getting married here sucks seriously.

There are a few Qatari members on this site...hope they give you the exact idea. But, you need to understand that every country has its own rules & regulations and then there is the culture & social values. You need not to accept the norms & culture here but atleast show some respect towards the Qataris.....after all they are your future in-laws.

Best of Luck... :-)

you are a self serving idiot. Period.

Cell- You are totally and hopelessly wrong. Qatari women are one of the most empowered one in the region.