think about what you said logically -"wrong. It is ideas you should respect"
Are you telling me you respect the ideas of Apartheid, Zionism, satanism, cannibalism, paedophilia etc?
I may not respect the 'ideas' of Christianity but I respect the right of others to believe in them - there is a big difference. Thus those same others can not expect to be immune from criticism or offence through some demanded respect.
And it was a quote from an article
:)
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
SN said "otq and others.....you believe what you will and the self proclaimed atheists believe in what they will..."
SN you have the right to believe in atheism and rightly your culture allows you that freedom. Although my way of life (Islam) is different from yours, my reference (the Quran) tells me 'There is no compulsion in religion'...and it also mirrors what you say but from a Islamic perspective;
"Say: O disbelievers! I worship not that which ye worship; Nor worship ye that which I worship. And I shall not worship that which ye worship. Nor will ye worship that which I worship. Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion."
It is the above injunctions which have allowed the Christian and jewish communities in lebanon, syria, morroco, egypt, yemen, etc to live in lands where the muslims are a majority and still practice their religion freely. By contrast where atheists have obtained absolute power (communist USSR and China and nazi germany), the consequences for those following any religion have been fatal.
specifically regarding faith and convictions. If a man was born from a virgin and walked on water and did many miracles, that what our faith is. Faith is being at peace with something you don't see and for the things to come as foretold! I don't know your personal conviction but if you want respect for your ideas, learn to respect yourself!
If you just quoted someone, then this posting is for him/her!
"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
"All people deserve respect, but not all ideas do. I don't respect the idea that a man was born of a virgin, walked on water and rose from the dead.
This is not because of "prejudice" or "ignorance", but because there is no evidence for these claims. They belong to the childhood of our species, and will in time look as preposterous as believing in Zeus or Thor or Baal.
When you demand "respect", you are demanding we lie to you. I have too much real respect for you as a human being to engage in that charade.
But why are religious sensitivities so much more likely to provoke demands for censorship than, say, political sensitivities? The answer lies in the nature of faith. If my views are challenged I can, in the end, check them against reality. If you deregulate markets, will they collapse? If you increase carbon dioxide emissions, does the climate become destabilised? If my views are wrong, I can correct them; if they are right, I am soothed.
But when the religious are challenged, there is no evidence for them to consult. By definition, if you have faith, you are choosing to believe in the absence of evidence. Nobody has "faith" that fire hurts, or Australia exists; they know it, based on proof. But it is psychologically painful to be confronted with the fact that your core beliefs are based on thin air, or on the empty shells of revelation or contorted parodies of reason. It's easier to demand the source of the pesky doubt be silenced.
But a free society cannot be structured to soothe the hardcore faithful. It is based on a deal. You have an absolute right to voice your beliefs – but the price is that I too have a right to respond as I wish. Neither of us can set aside the rules and demand to be protected from offence. "
j.hari/-a-t-/independent.co.uk
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
lets get this straight...there is a difference between hate and taking the piss......I have simply been taking the piss.........
I do lean a bit, due to the pressure and the aiming angle. i don't hate anyone, I'm relieving my stress properly. When I'm done is just a pleasant relief. I Feel better and lighter..
Amoud....No, I am blatantly taking the piss...I admit it! Deal with it! Its an open forum! Thats what happens on an open forum! Wahey! Welcome to the real world of differing opinions!!
SN, all you have to do is go and read the first page of this thread. Just because you are claiming ti be joking the words still remain the same. Perhaps instead of people not being so touchy, perhaps you should try having a little more respect for some of the other QL'ers.
amoud....find me proof of my taking the piss out of muslims and I will reflect on it......in the meantime I would say that maybe some here are a little 'touchy' and should learn to be more, shall we say, in tune with the real world.....
SN, your comments beg to differ. When you keep taking the piss out of someone, especially the Muslims on QL you are going to get this sort of reaction. Muslims take religion very seriously, and get extremely upset at any disrespect to their faith and Prophets. Even when this is explained to you, you continue to prod them, and then accuse them of being hateful? Were you expecting some other reaction? Thanks perhaps...
mmmmm, i've seen more hate and abuse from so called peace loving muslims than I have any other religion I have ever come across....On this forum! In real life the muslims I live with are gorgeous and religion never ever comes into the equation, yet some on QL are typical of the stereotype of a 'Muslim', that 'The West' has .....anti anybody that doesn't believe and downright threatening!
otq and others.....you believe what you will and the self proclaimed atheists believe in what they will...i have seen more hate from the 'believers' moreso than the non believers...think on....
Well Said otq. I was about to respond to someone, then I remained silent. As otq said, those hate driven attackers on Islam always spread their hate on QL and call muslims narrow minded, loveless people etc. Someone among them are pretend to be muslims or about to convert (for some personal reasons)
Its been a while since i last checked out QL but not much has changed. The original post was simply informing of a lecture by a muslim speaker at FANAR. Was not preaching or forcing Islam down anyones throat...just informing.
Then the usual tag team of self proclaimed 'atheists' are the first to pounce with the usual stereotypical responses which are totally unrelated to the original post and then accuse the other side (muslims) of being narrow minded and aggressive. If you are not interested in Islam yourself, why intentionally antagonise others who might be? I suspect its insecurity.
To the muslims; guys you fall for the bait every time. Please do not lose your your adaab (manners), it is our identity. When the Prophet (peace be upon him) faced personal abuse, he remained silent. When lies were spread about Allah, he responded with reasoning but always with adaab. Our job is to convey the message only and it is Allah who turns the hearts.
Eco: Thanks for posting this small part from Open Public Lecture by Dr. Yousuf Estste. Hope you don't mind that i comment some of his statements.
"Sheik Estes said that, “Allah” is the same word used by Christian Arabs and Jewish Arabs in their Holy Books, centuries before Islam came. "It is on page one of Genesis in the Old Testament, the word “Allah” is repeated 17 times."
I belive that we all know that Allah means God in Arabic.
Just like we, Portuguese call him Deus. Nothing surprising on there.
"“Islam never preaches spreading the message of peace with a sword. Actually, there is no word for "sword" anywhere in the Quran, but you find it more than 200 times in the Bible.” "
Well, they don't use the word "sword" but shows hate, so violence and hate are present in all revealed books.
"Guard yourselves against the Fire prepared for disbelievers, whose fuel is of men and stones.--2:24
1. Don't bother to warn the disbelievers. Allah has blinded them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 2:6
2. Allah has sickened their hearts. A painful doom is theirs because they lie. 2:10
3. A fire has been prepared for the disbelievers, whose fuel is men and stones. 2:24
4. Disbelievers will be burned with fire. 2:39, 90
5. "Guard yourselves against a day when no soul will in aught avail another, nor will intercession be accepted from it, nor will compensation be received from it, nor will they be helped."
There will come a day when Allah will refuse all prayers and help no one. 2:48
6. Allah brags about drowning the Egyptian army. 2:50"
Please, don't take it as an attack to faith.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Jesus will come at a time when the whole world is at war,” he said. “He will lead his people to victory and restore peace. The return of Jesus will bring so much tranquillity and calm to the earth beyond imagination. It will be so peaceful that lamb would lay down with the lion. Jesus’ birth was a miracle though not the biggest miracle on earth.”
“The creation of Adam and Eve (peace be upon them) are greater miracles than the birth of prophet Jesus, peace be upon him. Eve had no mother and Adam had no parents at all!
"Jesus' birth was definitely a miracle and he performed many miracles, even bringing a dead man back to life - by the permission of Almighty God. Allah was the One who actually cured the people with disabilities and diseases and this was to give credibility and proof for Jesus, peace be upon him, to show his people he was indeed the "Messiah" (Christ) who had been sent to them by Almighty Allah. We Muslims believe in these facts, however we believe that all of this was by Allah”
Sheik Estes said that, “Allah” is the same word used by Christian Arabs and Jewish Arabs in their Holy Books, centuries before Islam came. "It is on page one of Genesis in the Old Testament, the word “Allah” is repeated 17 times."
He rebuffed at the claims of Islam being spread by the sword by quoting from the source *(Quran),
“Islam never preaches spreading the message of peace with a sword. Actually, there is no word for "sword" anywhere in the Quran, but you find it more than 200 times in the Bible.”
I really dont get the "insult to Jesus" bit because the translation said "the".
The Prophet Issa (Jesus)PBUH is one of the most revered prophets of Islam and holds the highest respect amoung Muslims. Would it not be a bit off the mark to think that someone who cared enough to inform people of a lecture about Islam would in turn be insulting Jesus?
Supersexy nurse welcome back, it is just 20hours passed of Adey's germs in you. But I heard they remain for at least 48hrs alive ??? coz you have started barking again and you need a speedy remedy by someone new today. Today I guess Amoud would get chance. Amoud be ready to take her to zambia for a hard-job.lol
See what I mean? And I was just PM'd that perhaps it was Carlin.
SN, is it that you feel clever, or witty perhaps by preying on things that upset people the most? I never understand people who get pleasure out of belittling people.
I'm not replying to Muzi anymore, he's nowt but a pervert and has dragged this holy thread down to the gutter.....theres always one that turns such a beautiful thread into disrepute...Its an utter disgrace......REMOVE THE PERVES..I say....
Supernurse, all of this bacause of bad translation? Was it not explained the "Al" which is "the" in english, is used with most arabic nouns? Its just juvenile to start being hateful because of something like this.
Who quoted that "those who show no respect to others genrally have no respect for themselves"....
The indirect attack on Jesus is not acceptable. By using the word "The return of the Jesus" is not acceptable. It is heretic and blasphemous, specially coming from the mouth of someone who claim to be christian.
This thread is disturbing. As someone pointed out, if someone is an atheist why are they the first to try and stir something up in these threads? For the people who feel this is a geniune thread and actually care about the content,coming in here to troll and throw insults is demeaning and childish at best. Before anyone says that it is an open forum and everyones entitled to an opinion I am sorry to say, the garbage flying around this thread is hardly that.
Look she is evil in QL. Everytime she comments nothing rahter teasing and hurst others. I agree with Ashfaq and I warned her now she has run away to her dirty bed. I will not let her again...huh
A stupid discussion about a stupid spelling/translation mistake...
As Muslims, we don't think we have a different Jesus to say THE Jesus meaning our Jesus, and not yours.
Arabic uses THE (AL) in most words...
This is a lecture about the Islamic version of the return of Christ near the end of time. (From my physics, I believe that the time dimension will end, and that's the reason for the infinite after-life)
We believe he was not killed but "lifted" up to heaven.
We believe he is still alive.
We believe he will come back to lead all the believers, as a Muslim leader.
I don't know what it is with supernurse, she seems quite aggressive today.
PMSL....are you for feckin real Muzi? you highly amuse me with your bizarre outbursts.....'Don't teach me I know dog's tail can never be made straight' WTF??PMSL
Churches are a big den of prots in west. Supernurse I have to tackle you. you are scared and drunk. so shut up and get lost. From where you are sooooooper.
Muzi, darling, you really shouldn't drink so much whisky...your English is shyte at the best of times...but with a bellyfull of booze...well...you are just incoherent lovey.......
Just logged on to Qatarliving and happened upon this thread. To be honest, I'm a little surprised at the vitriol and silliness.
I have heard the man speak at a couple of lectures and found him warm, congenial and thought provoking..
So, rather than bitching here. Why not go to the lecture, find out what he has to say, and then armed with some background have a really great debate..
PM: Airsupply is not smart enough to understand that some no practicing muslims are better than most of those that are practicing it 100%, he doesn't know the meaning of the word love but he knows all about hate
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
After the direct insult on Jesus Christ, i started to wonder, how many Hypocrites could fit in Heaven.
In the other hand, The rapture has not arrived yet. Of course some of the personalities in this forum, would love to put their fingers on you. Like always they are right and we are wrong, only on this part of the world, they would reach that assumption.
I did not know about having a second brain named "Anally", always splashing shit out and is short of retentiveness. That is such a malarious and vicarious analogy.
You could always send them to my confession booth, I'll make sure they are flush properly. Sorry no COD accepted.
Is this cone type masgid known as FANAR. Actually I dont know where is FANAR. Can some one give me directions.
No one is forced to attend. So if anyone is interested he/she can come to listen. But supernurse if you and others will start fighting its not good. See its not the religion "Islam" what he will be preaching there. Its just one topic that he will share his views on. Why you guys make it a hell of topic to fight on. Grow up.
How lovely to have a cyber pouncer that hangs on my every word also a cyber corrector (sic)...I am blessed.....Now run along now boy and ask for forgiveness for being anally (sic) retentive......
No disrespect to the Islamic community, I'm going to write, what is on my heart at this point.
I don't accept or agree with the following Heading, "The Return of the Jesus." Jesus is sacred as much is Muhammad.
It is totally a blunt attack on Christianity and its values. Jesus is revered by many millions of Christians world wide and it is consider by millions of Muslims as one of the Prophets.
Respectfully to all my Muslims, If I would wrote: "The return of the or that Mohamed," then I would have a mob ready to stone me to Death!
Instead of becoming a violent person; I'm going to pray for the it Doctors Salvation.
As Jesus Christ said: If someone slaps you in hate, you give him the other face cheek.
I got only two face cheeks to turn around, my third one will be "my own prefer method of retaliation."
Amerrycanofbeermuslim.....you appear to have made a finger out of commas and dots and lines....Clever you! Bravo! A plus! A true convert, you seem to have left some vulgar western ways though!!!
PM: I wished that more muslims would be as racional as you, i'll be converting and you were one of those that showed me that being a muslim doesn't mean to follow a book blindly but that you can also racionalize and i have been leurning alot here about religion and if at start i had a lot of doubts concerning Islam, they are becoming clear on my head and i learned with all muslim in site, even with some that don't like me but that doesn't mean their opinion was lesser important than anyone else and i have leurned how to laugh on a forum and i belive i have changed since i started to participate, just wanna let everybody know that if i have a different opinion doesn't mean that i'm doubting anyone's faith, if someone wants to know who has been my biggest inspiration as a peace worker, it has always been Ghandi, and a music that i identify with myself is John Lennon's "Imagine".
Alexa: Righ on the target.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Cuteydog: Yes i know all religions have done it, i was just giving one of the best examples i know of, all i wish is that everybody keeps their faith but don't let it overcome their racionality, religion is something private and shouldn't be imposed in anyway.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
cUTEYDOG: i fully agree with you just want to add that when catholics were following their religion blindly, a lot of injustices happened mainly when the Inquisition was allowed on those countries and people would accuse someone they hated or that had jealous from a neighbor or any other person of being "Satanic" and the people who were accused were tortured if they didn't confessed "the crime".
People should do a research about Galileo and the Inquisition.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Not that old chesnut about science and the Qu'ran. It is a new idea, and should be dropped quickly, as it is one of the easiest proofs of the falability of the Qu'ran. I would not mention it again because some muslims might do a little reseach and come to some shocking conclusions.
but then again....if you want to dig your own grave...carry on.
Back to the topic....when jesus returns please give me a call, no use hanging around on the off-chance.
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
StuperNurse said, "I wonder what he will have to spout tomorrow.....I won't be there, couldn't think of anything worse than listening to a convert, I'd prefer to hear if from someone who is an indiginous (sic) Muslim not a pretend one......"
On behalf of ALL 'pretend' Muslims.... I would like to give you this....
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They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin
There are many reasons to believe its the Truth and only real religion if you have the patience and willingness to study the belief instead of writing it off without knowing it!
For starters read just a few of the Scientific facts mentioned in Qur'an 1400 years back, discovered in recent past:
http://www.islamreligion.com/category/34/
Logical Proofs:
http://www.islamreligion.com/category/116/.
The links give u a insight into Islam, which I am sure u wont read since I have seen your fear of Islam!!!
you won't read, you won't read, because cowards love to find a easy way out by not exploring the truth for the fear of losing their so called "freedom".......
King: " What is Trueth? Is my trueth the same as yours?" "but the question is are u willing to explore the truth or just content with Propaganda of hatred spread by every_other_religionphobes?"
You don't owe the Trueth, i wont get too far on this to prevent some good friends that i have here could feal hurt on their faith.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
The truth of only True Religion, the truth of One God, the truth of only religion which addresses all aspects of life, truth of equality, the list of "truth" is endless but the question is are u willing to explore the truth or just content with Propaganda of hatred spread by Islamaphobes?
King007: I'm about to convert to Islam and will be taking the name of Ayman, but that wont stop me from having an open mind to all other subjects and has cutey dog said, "The thing is Muslims can't convert. They are Muslims for life, even if they wanted to and a few have tried, in some areas of the world they would be murdered!"
But if they go to a country "that allows freedom of religion some do leave Islam" and the ones that stay, behave completelly different compared with their ways on Islamic countries.
Airsupply: No, this is not an attack to faith but it's a fact. I have seen it with my own eyes.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
king007 don't get your twat in a twist......I won't visit as I have no interest in some loony harping on about how he left christianity and embraced Islam and how christians are wicked and shall be sent to hell....
supernurse and others who just keep abusing by hiding behind internet, visit and ask your questions, who knows u may be guided to truth.
Your hate does not make a bits difference to Islam, the more hatred is spread against Islam, the faster is the growth of Islam, history is witness to it! Keep hating if u want to instead of studying the religion from right sources (instead of Anti-Islamic sources).
I was born into a very strong Christian family in the Midwest. Our family and their ancestors not only built the churches and schools across this land, but actually were the same ones who came here in the first place. While I was still in elementary we relocated in Houston, Texas in 1949 (I'm old). We attended church regularly and I was baptized at the age of 12 in Pasadena, Texas. As a teenager, I wanted to visit other churches to learn more of their teachings and beliefs. The Baptists, Methodists, Episcopalians, Charismatic movements, Nazarene, Church of Christ, Church of God, Church of God in Christ, Full Gospel, Agape, Catholic, Presbyterian and many more. I developed quite a thirst for the "Gospel" or as we say; "Good News." My research into religion did not stop with Christianity. Not at all. Hinduism, Judaism, Buddhism, Metaphysics, native American beliefs were all a part of my studies. Just about the only one that I did not look into seriously was "Islam". Why? Good question.
He says he wants to meet Muslims one more time.....who? The bloke? Jesus? aahhhh this bloke isn't going to do the deed somewhere is he? Preferably nowhere in the UK until after July, ta mate.....
This man was a preacher NOT a catholic priest, BIG difference.
Before and after photos laughable.........
I wonder what he will have to spout tomorrow.....I won't be there, couldn't think of anything worse than listening to a convert, I'd prefer to hear if from someone who is an indiginous (sic) Muslim not a pretend one......
yeah, yeah and he can open the water for me so I can bike it to Abu Dhabi, save a flippin fortune, won't have to go by plane!...I'll ask him when he returns tomorrow!! Whoopeee!!
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think about what you said logically -"wrong. It is ideas you should respect"
Are you telling me you respect the ideas of Apartheid, Zionism, satanism, cannibalism, paedophilia etc?
I may not respect the 'ideas' of Christianity but I respect the right of others to believe in them - there is a big difference. Thus those same others can not expect to be immune from criticism or offence through some demanded respect.
And it was a quote from an article
:)
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
SN, fair enough...
I was just afraid that my understanding of 'taking the piss' is not correct...
After all I have only been in the UK for a little under 4 years....
They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin
SN, Please without taking the piss, explain why a 'pious' person taking the piss is 'laughable'?
You think 'pious' people do not laugh and joke??
They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin
Merry, dont bother..... She will never explain it to you for reasons very apparent. _____________________________________________________
"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
Nah, can't be arsed to explain.....I'm outta this thread, its getting increasingly tedious......
SN said "otq and others.....you believe what you will and the self proclaimed atheists believe in what they will..."
SN you have the right to believe in atheism and rightly your culture allows you that freedom. Although my way of life (Islam) is different from yours, my reference (the Quran) tells me 'There is no compulsion in religion'...and it also mirrors what you say but from a Islamic perspective;
"Say: O disbelievers! I worship not that which ye worship; Nor worship ye that which I worship. And I shall not worship that which ye worship. Nor will ye worship that which I worship. Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion."
It is the above injunctions which have allowed the Christian and jewish communities in lebanon, syria, morroco, egypt, yemen, etc to live in lands where the muslims are a majority and still practice their religion freely. By contrast where atheists have obtained absolute power (communist USSR and China and nazi germany), the consequences for those following any religion have been fatal.
specifically regarding faith and convictions. If a man was born from a virgin and walked on water and did many miracles, that what our faith is. Faith is being at peace with something you don't see and for the things to come as foretold! I don't know your personal conviction but if you want respect for your ideas, learn to respect yourself!
If you just quoted someone, then this posting is for him/her!
"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
amerrycan muslim.....pious people taking the piss? Laughable......
SN, what makes you think the so called peace loving Muslims you speak of are not taking the piss with you as well....??
From them it is abuse... But from you it is taking the piss...
Right, POT... KETTLE... BLACK...
They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin
"All people deserve respect, but not all ideas do. I don't respect the idea that a man was born of a virgin, walked on water and rose from the dead.
This is not because of "prejudice" or "ignorance", but because there is no evidence for these claims. They belong to the childhood of our species, and will in time look as preposterous as believing in Zeus or Thor or Baal.
When you demand "respect", you are demanding we lie to you. I have too much real respect for you as a human being to engage in that charade.
But why are religious sensitivities so much more likely to provoke demands for censorship than, say, political sensitivities? The answer lies in the nature of faith. If my views are challenged I can, in the end, check them against reality. If you deregulate markets, will they collapse? If you increase carbon dioxide emissions, does the climate become destabilised? If my views are wrong, I can correct them; if they are right, I am soothed.
But when the religious are challenged, there is no evidence for them to consult. By definition, if you have faith, you are choosing to believe in the absence of evidence. Nobody has "faith" that fire hurts, or Australia exists; they know it, based on proof. But it is psychologically painful to be confronted with the fact that your core beliefs are based on thin air, or on the empty shells of revelation or contorted parodies of reason. It's easier to demand the source of the pesky doubt be silenced.
But a free society cannot be structured to soothe the hardcore faithful. It is based on a deal. You have an absolute right to voice your beliefs – but the price is that I too have a right to respond as I wish. Neither of us can set aside the rules and demand to be protected from offence. "
j.hari/-a-t-/independent.co.uk
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
Supernurse said:
lets get this straight...there is a difference between hate and taking the piss......I have simply been taking the piss.........
I do lean a bit, due to the pressure and the aiming angle. i don't hate anyone, I'm relieving my stress properly. When I'm done is just a pleasant relief. I Feel better and lighter..
Dammed BEER piss!
Oh, I'm taking the piss out of the return of 'The Jesus' no more....no less....
Amoud....No, I am blatantly taking the piss...I admit it! Deal with it! Its an open forum! Thats what happens on an open forum! Wahey! Welcome to the real world of differing opinions!!
SN, all you have to do is go and read the first page of this thread. Just because you are claiming ti be joking the words still remain the same. Perhaps instead of people not being so touchy, perhaps you should try having a little more respect for some of the other QL'ers.
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
amoud....find me proof of my taking the piss out of muslims and I will reflect on it......in the meantime I would say that maybe some here are a little 'touchy' and should learn to be more, shall we say, in tune with the real world.....
SN, your comments beg to differ. When you keep taking the piss out of someone, especially the Muslims on QL you are going to get this sort of reaction. Muslims take religion very seriously, and get extremely upset at any disrespect to their faith and Prophets. Even when this is explained to you, you continue to prod them, and then accuse them of being hateful? Were you expecting some other reaction? Thanks perhaps...
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
Amoud....lets get this straight...there is a difference between hate and taking the piss......I have simply been taking the piss.........
Supernurse, you speak of hate and abuse. Do you recall your earlier comments in this thread?
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
mmmmm, i've seen more hate and abuse from so called peace loving muslims than I have any other religion I have ever come across....On this forum! In real life the muslims I live with are gorgeous and religion never ever comes into the equation, yet some on QL are typical of the stereotype of a 'Muslim', that 'The West' has .....anti anybody that doesn't believe and downright threatening!
SN: lol, some of those make me remember those old ladies that can spend a day at church talking a lot with the priest but in private....
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
otq and others.....you believe what you will and the self proclaimed atheists believe in what they will...i have seen more hate from the 'believers' moreso than the non believers...think on....
Well Said otq. I was about to respond to someone, then I remained silent. As otq said, those hate driven attackers on Islam always spread their hate on QL and call muslims narrow minded, loveless people etc. Someone among them are pretend to be muslims or about to convert (for some personal reasons)
I heard the lecture was full (some people sat outside the 700-seat room), and that one Filipino became a Muslim.
Well said otq... spot on.
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
http://www.youtubeislam.com/video/5363/ATHEIST-MUST-WATCH-I-was-trying-very-hard-to-be-a-Christian
Its been a while since i last checked out QL but not much has changed. The original post was simply informing of a lecture by a muslim speaker at FANAR. Was not preaching or forcing Islam down anyones throat...just informing.
Then the usual tag team of self proclaimed 'atheists' are the first to pounce with the usual stereotypical responses which are totally unrelated to the original post and then accuse the other side (muslims) of being narrow minded and aggressive. If you are not interested in Islam yourself, why intentionally antagonise others who might be? I suspect its insecurity.
To the muslims; guys you fall for the bait every time. Please do not lose your your adaab (manners), it is our identity. When the Prophet (peace be upon him) faced personal abuse, he remained silent. When lies were spread about Allah, he responded with reasoning but always with adaab. Our job is to convey the message only and it is Allah who turns the hearts.
I'm done with the pharisee preaching coming from "this Doctors" mouth.
Is this thread still alive ????
Bloody Charming!
Eco: Thanks for posting this small part from Open Public Lecture by Dr. Yousuf Estste. Hope you don't mind that i comment some of his statements.
"Sheik Estes said that, “Allah” is the same word used by Christian Arabs and Jewish Arabs in their Holy Books, centuries before Islam came. "It is on page one of Genesis in the Old Testament, the word “Allah” is repeated 17 times."
I belive that we all know that Allah means God in Arabic.
Just like we, Portuguese call him Deus. Nothing surprising on there.
"“Islam never preaches spreading the message of peace with a sword. Actually, there is no word for "sword" anywhere in the Quran, but you find it more than 200 times in the Bible.” "
Well, they don't use the word "sword" but shows hate, so violence and hate are present in all revealed books.
"Guard yourselves against the Fire prepared for disbelievers, whose fuel is of men and stones.--2:24
1. Don't bother to warn the disbelievers. Allah has blinded them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 2:6
2. Allah has sickened their hearts. A painful doom is theirs because they lie. 2:10
3. A fire has been prepared for the disbelievers, whose fuel is men and stones. 2:24
4. Disbelievers will be burned with fire. 2:39, 90
5. "Guard yourselves against a day when no soul will in aught avail another, nor will intercession be accepted from it, nor will compensation be received from it, nor will they be helped."
There will come a day when Allah will refuse all prayers and help no one. 2:48
6. Allah brags about drowning the Egyptian army. 2:50"
Please, don't take it as an attack to faith.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Jesus will come at a time when the whole world is at war,” he said. “He will lead his people to victory and restore peace. The return of Jesus will bring so much tranquillity and calm to the earth beyond imagination. It will be so peaceful that lamb would lay down with the lion. Jesus’ birth was a miracle though not the biggest miracle on earth.”
“The creation of Adam and Eve (peace be upon them) are greater miracles than the birth of prophet Jesus, peace be upon him. Eve had no mother and Adam had no parents at all!
"Jesus' birth was definitely a miracle and he performed many miracles, even bringing a dead man back to life - by the permission of Almighty God. Allah was the One who actually cured the people with disabilities and diseases and this was to give credibility and proof for Jesus, peace be upon him, to show his people he was indeed the "Messiah" (Christ) who had been sent to them by Almighty Allah. We Muslims believe in these facts, however we believe that all of this was by Allah”
Sheik Estes said that, “Allah” is the same word used by Christian Arabs and Jewish Arabs in their Holy Books, centuries before Islam came. "It is on page one of Genesis in the Old Testament, the word “Allah” is repeated 17 times."
He rebuffed at the claims of Islam being spread by the sword by quoting from the source *(Quran),
“Islam never preaches spreading the message of peace with a sword. Actually, there is no word for "sword" anywhere in the Quran, but you find it more than 200 times in the Bible.”
http://www.islamnewsroom.com/content/view/628/52/
The translation is confusing and Thank You for clarifying, but my remarks towards the Doctor stands, even no one will not understand it in full.
thx for explanation, bleu!
English:
* President Kennedy
* Dr. Yang
* Queen Elizabeth
Arabic:
الرئيس كينيدي
الدكتور يانج
الملكة اليزابيث
Translated back (badly):
The president Kinidi.
The doctor young.
The queen alezabeeth.
lol PM
Airsupply: Thought u were a muslim, but you are christian, what a surprise
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Muzi....I see you have been hitting the whisky again......you are spouting shyte....as usual....
I really dont get the "insult to Jesus" bit because the translation said "the".
The Prophet Issa (Jesus)PBUH is one of the most revered prophets of Islam and holds the highest respect amoung Muslims. Would it not be a bit off the mark to think that someone who cared enough to inform people of a lecture about Islam would in turn be insulting Jesus?
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
long live 'The Conjugation Wars'
:D
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
Don't Use "a," "an," or "the" if the person's name is given.
* President Kennedy
* Dr. Yang
* Queen Elizabeth
Jesus is the name of a person who is sacred and divine. For other people, Jesus is just another religious entity.
But coming from the mouth of a hypocrite, Example: the Dr Yousuft Estste, is just heretic and blasphemous.
Supersexy nurse welcome back, it is just 20hours passed of Adey's germs in you. But I heard they remain for at least 48hrs alive ??? coz you have started barking again and you need a speedy remedy by someone new today. Today I guess Amoud would get chance. Amoud be ready to take her to zambia for a hard-job.lol
Obviously you do or you wouldnt have replied :)
Fickle at best, seriously juvenile by nature. How can anyone contest the immense wisdom of your words.
Btw, it wasnt directed solely at you, but as it seems you are the only opposition of my posts says something.
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
Amoud, go and bug someone who gives a toss.......
See what I mean? And I was just PM'd that perhaps it was Carlin.
SN, is it that you feel clever, or witty perhaps by preying on things that upset people the most? I never understand people who get pleasure out of belittling people.
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
I'm not replying to Muzi anymore, he's nowt but a pervert and has dragged this holy thread down to the gutter.....theres always one that turns such a beautiful thread into disrepute...Its an utter disgrace......REMOVE THE PERVES..I say....
Dunno Amoud...who did quote that?
Anyway, did 'The Jesus' return last night or not?
Supernurse, all of this bacause of bad translation? Was it not explained the "Al" which is "the" in english, is used with most arabic nouns? Its just juvenile to start being hateful because of something like this.
Who quoted that "those who show no respect to others genrally have no respect for themselves"....
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
salvation day! for the fortunate. For others, it's doomsday!
"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
the second coming or the end of the world or judgment day!
"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
He is Jesus and not 'The Jesus' thats why.........mmwwaarrrrr the cyber AntiChrist......Boo!...
due to this act redpope has been sullied by blackpope.
I am also waiting for this answer bleu, perhaps it will shed a little light on why everyone got so worked up.
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
RP, help me understand... what's "heretic and blasphemous" about "The return of the Jesus"?
this thread is alive yet.
RP, Jesus is also supposed to return according to Christianity.... how is this heretic and blasphemous?
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
The indirect attack on Jesus is not acceptable. By using the word "The return of the Jesus" is not acceptable. It is heretic and blasphemous, specially coming from the mouth of someone who claim to be christian.
How many Hypocrites could fit in HEAVEN?
This thread is disturbing. As someone pointed out, if someone is an atheist why are they the first to try and stir something up in these threads? For the people who feel this is a geniune thread and actually care about the content,coming in here to troll and throw insults is demeaning and childish at best. Before anyone says that it is an open forum and everyones entitled to an opinion I am sorry to say, the garbage flying around this thread is hardly that.
Shame on you guys, grow up.
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
PM
thanks! I have been dieting and exercising ;-)
Let me be the judge with the score card of that comment inside my booth... J/k :)
highly entertaining :D
You are on a roll now mate :D
Can you get to a point when you can even sicken yourself?
Would be an interesting experiment, Do try :D
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
U know better who I am talkin abt. He is god of satan.
Muzi...what in Gods name are you talking about PMSL.....you're enjoying yourself a bit too much...are you typing with just the one hand?????Yuck!!!
Supersexymodel you need pessary to support adey germs inside.
po me sy latent
Muzi...you are truly a pervert......You don't warn me, laddy....Evil!HaHaHaHa....
PMSL = P*ss MySelf Laughing.
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
Look she is evil in QL. Everytime she comments nothing rahter teasing and hurst others. I agree with Ashfaq and I warned her now she has run away to her dirty bed. I will not let her again...huh
PMSL ??
If I knew what that meant I might have a comment about it, but as it is your point is lost on its target audience unless they are fluent in gibberish.
So you kinda wasted your time there mate.
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
now she went for deliruim and replaces adey for barking.
Supernurse
I love your come backs, maybe I need to learn your lingo, without spoiling my holiness, when coursing someone.
if Supernurse is Atheist,I wonder why she is the first person to Respond to such Topics Always..?
Supermoel, I have some spicy, some sugary, some bitter and some syrupy drum stick for you. taste it
Seems like Muzi wants to have a walk on the wild side with you SN, maybe he has 'haram lust' and a 'kafir fetish'
:D
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
I have to do a grammar check on this one....NOT
;-P
Tell you later
WTF???
Sexy model really i dont want to get down you before this forum. After al you have to get in hell very soon.
Muzi!! :0
comments then come back, then I will post QL guidelines
for uncultured ppl, I will also post verses of Baqarah
who are the munafeeqs
Yes and mines a biriani, I don't like munafeeqs..too spicy....ta
Super Sexy Nurse dont discuss about inches freaky, lol
I'm physically not able to hide behind this keyboard, unless of course I was 4 inches high and half an inch wide!
I wonder who is really barking and who is hiding behind various nicknames.
No one is in a position to judge a Muslim's faith. Or even to judge a non-Muslim. So mind your own business.
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People cannot follow simple QL guidelines? can we expect you to follow religion. Religion is for civilised not for animals
A stupid discussion about a stupid spelling/translation mistake...
As Muslims, we don't think we have a different Jesus to say THE Jesus meaning our Jesus, and not yours.
Arabic uses THE (AL) in most words...
This is a lecture about the Islamic version of the return of Christ near the end of time. (From my physics, I believe that the time dimension will end, and that's the reason for the infinite after-life)
We believe he was not killed but "lifted" up to heaven.
We believe he is still alive.
We believe he will come back to lead all the believers, as a Muslim leader.
I don't know what it is with supernurse, she seems quite aggressive today.
the lecture and bark infront of audience? why cowards are
hiding behind keyboards
entire community knows you are not one of US.You are supporter of corrupt, you are supporter of every evil in this world.
PM dont you know the QL guidelines? dont your buddies know the QL guidelines? when you dont like the topic do not comment simple as that.
THE drac THE is THE going THE to THE sleep!
THE bye, THE bye!
anways it was blessed evening for blessed souls
somebody call for a skinny gringo???
Muzi....what time is your curfew for rumaillah? Your meds are due soon.....I'll try not to be western Muzi, just for you....impure gringo..PMSL....
Who the hell are you, now a real thin gringo comes in
Supernurse dont try to be western, impure gringo
PMSL....are you for feckin real Muzi? you highly amuse me with your bizarre outbursts.....'Don't teach me I know dog's tail can never be made straight' WTF??PMSL
Don't teach me I know dog's tail can never be made straight.
Churches are a big den of prots in west. Supernurse I have to tackle you. you are scared and drunk. so shut up and get lost. From where you are sooooooper.
Muzi, darling, you really shouldn't drink so much whisky...your English is shyte at the best of times...but with a bellyfull of booze...well...you are just incoherent lovey.......
Damn. I'm in Dubai and thought you may have recorded it for me.
britexpat, I'm finding it quite amusing, unfortunately I'm washing my hair tonight so I can't be there....Damn, maybe next time....
Just logged on to Qatarliving and happened upon this thread. To be honest, I'm a little surprised at the vitriol and silliness.
I have heard the man speak at a couple of lectures and found him warm, congenial and thought provoking..
So, rather than bitching here. Why not go to the lecture, find out what he has to say, and then armed with some background have a really great debate..
I too would like to know if 'Skip' bought 'The Jesus' to Doha tonight......
If any enlightened soul could inform us please?....
dracula...PMSL....Who is his sponsor I wonder? God, I spose......being his father 'n all....
Still waiting for the the exit permit!
Patience...patience...
amoud, isn't it just.......
Did anyone find The Jesus then or has he not returned yet?........
organized religions divides us, yet we can grow spiritually without it..go direct to the Source..thats what i believe..
...
peace out
Supernurse, rude and crude... very becoming.
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
it would be better if they followed 'accordingly'.
Qatar, don't think they had this in 33 AD in Jerusalem.
Muslim is a person Who believes The One and Only Almighty, His Messengers and Prophets and believes His revelations and follows accrodingly.
Pope.... It's best not to type when you are tipsy off of stolen communion wine... It makes you look silly chief....
They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin
LOL! WTF! HAHA! This thread has become a laughingstock!
Correct, Qatar. Hard to believe anyway how somebody can die in a cross!
right? They don't even believe the reasons? and the truth about His death?
"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
PM: Sorry, my mistake, i meant that you aren't a pious muslim :)
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
PM: Airsupply is not smart enough to understand that some no practicing muslims are better than most of those that are practicing it 100%, he doesn't know the meaning of the word love but he knows all about hate
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Could you read the insult on the topic of the forum title?
Chill out girl.
After the direct insult on Jesus Christ, i started to wonder, how many Hypocrites could fit in Heaven.
In the other hand, The rapture has not arrived yet. Of course some of the personalities in this forum, would love to put their fingers on you. Like always they are right and we are wrong, only on this part of the world, they would reach that assumption.
I did not know about having a second brain named "Anally", always splashing shit out and is short of retentiveness. That is such a malarious and vicarious analogy.
You could always send them to my confession booth, I'll make sure they are flush properly. Sorry no COD accepted.
I'm with you on this one.
Is this cone type masgid known as FANAR. Actually I dont know where is FANAR. Can some one give me directions.
No one is forced to attend. So if anyone is interested he/she can come to listen. But supernurse if you and others will start fighting its not good. See its not the religion "Islam" what he will be preaching there. Its just one topic that he will share his views on. Why you guys make it a hell of topic to fight on. Grow up.
Peace.
* Yawns * (sic)
How lovely to have a cyber pouncer that hangs on my every word also a cyber corrector (sic)...I am blessed.....Now run along now boy and ask for forgiveness for being anally (sic) retentive......
No... I will be right here to pounce on your shallow comments that I expect from a prat.... And this is not anger..... this is controlled...
Cheerio, love......
PS. Your usage of [sic] seems to be incorrect....
They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin
amerrycanofbeermuslim.....keep your long pants on man....go and vent your anger out on a wall or something hard......no need to preach to me....
StuporNurse... Indeed your kind deserve 2 fingers.... I just couldn't find one on the net for you...
Don't mistake my Islaam as a leash that will prevent me from pointing out your vile ideas for what they are....
Islaam is my religion and my culture is NEW England... And that's how my culture treats your kind...
They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin
No disrespect to the Islamic community, I'm going to write, what is on my heart at this point.
I don't accept or agree with the following Heading, "The Return of the Jesus." Jesus is sacred as much is Muhammad.
It is totally a blunt attack on Christianity and its values. Jesus is revered by many millions of Christians world wide and it is consider by millions of Muslims as one of the Prophets.
Respectfully to all my Muslims, If I would wrote: "The return of the or that Mohamed," then I would have a mob ready to stone me to Death!
Instead of becoming a violent person; I'm going to pray for the it Doctors Salvation.
As Jesus Christ said: If someone slaps you in hate, you give him the other face cheek.
I got only two face cheeks to turn around, my third one will be "my own prefer method of retaliation."
Respectfully one irritated Pope......
Amerrycanofbeermuslim.....you appear to have made a finger out of commas and dots and lines....Clever you! Bravo! A plus! A true convert, you seem to have left some vulgar western ways though!!!
Cuteydog: Are you sure he was against all religions or was he against with mixing religion and politics?
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
PM: I wished that more muslims would be as racional as you, i'll be converting and you were one of those that showed me that being a muslim doesn't mean to follow a book blindly but that you can also racionalize and i have been leurning alot here about religion and if at start i had a lot of doubts concerning Islam, they are becoming clear on my head and i learned with all muslim in site, even with some that don't like me but that doesn't mean their opinion was lesser important than anyone else and i have leurned how to laugh on a forum and i belive i have changed since i started to participate, just wanna let everybody know that if i have a different opinion doesn't mean that i'm doubting anyone's faith, if someone wants to know who has been my biggest inspiration as a peace worker, it has always been Ghandi, and a music that i identify with myself is John Lennon's "Imagine".
Alexa: Righ on the target.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
"I don't think I did God a favor by converting -- I think He did me a favor by helping me learn about Him"
Personally I am open to converting, but still currently studying more about Islam. Hope that I will also see God's plan for me.
Cuteydog: Yes i know all religions have done it, i was just giving one of the best examples i know of, all i wish is that everybody keeps their faith but don't let it overcome their racionality, religion is something private and shouldn't be imposed in anyway.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
cUTEYDOG: i fully agree with you just want to add that when catholics were following their religion blindly, a lot of injustices happened mainly when the Inquisition was allowed on those countries and people would accuse someone they hated or that had jealous from a neighbor or any other person of being "Satanic" and the people who were accused were tortured if they didn't confessed "the crime".
People should do a research about Galileo and the Inquisition.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
I like his lectures sooo much!
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if a religion cant teach about love ,it is not a religion.it is just a system . if a religion says to kill on behalf of one died .it is just a culture
Not that old chesnut about science and the Qu'ran. It is a new idea, and should be dropped quickly, as it is one of the easiest proofs of the falability of the Qu'ran. I would not mention it again because some muslims might do a little reseach and come to some shocking conclusions.
but then again....if you want to dig your own grave...carry on.
Back to the topic....when jesus returns please give me a call, no use hanging around on the off-chance.
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
StuperNurse said, "I wonder what he will have to spout tomorrow.....I won't be there, couldn't think of anything worse than listening to a convert, I'd prefer to hear if from someone who is an indiginous (sic) Muslim not a pretend one......"
On behalf of ALL 'pretend' Muslims.... I would like to give you this....
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They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin
I expected that reply from you, thats how "Athiests" run away by keeping in their own "world of delusion" and not studying any religion!!!
eeekk...No thanks king007....you can get off your soapbox now.....
King007: Can you show me where is the periodic table in Al Quran? You know what i mean don't you?
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
There are many reasons to believe its the Truth and only real religion if you have the patience and willingness to study the belief instead of writing it off without knowing it!
For starters read just a few of the Scientific facts mentioned in Qur'an 1400 years back, discovered in recent past:
http://www.islamreligion.com/category/34/
Logical Proofs:
http://www.islamreligion.com/category/116/.
The links give u a insight into Islam, which I am sure u wont read since I have seen your fear of Islam!!!
you won't read, you won't read, because cowards love to find a easy way out by not exploring the truth for the fear of losing their so called "freedom".......
King: " What is Trueth? Is my trueth the same as yours?" "but the question is are u willing to explore the truth or just content with Propaganda of hatred spread by every_other_religionphobes?"
You don't owe the Trueth, i wont get too far on this to prevent some good friends that i have here could feal hurt on their faith.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
noway, its actually easier not to have a religion...I don't have the energy to search for any truths. who said its the Truth anyway?
The truth of only True Religion, the truth of One God, the truth of only religion which addresses all aspects of life, truth of equality, the list of "truth" is endless but the question is are u willing to explore the truth or just content with Propaganda of hatred spread by Islamaphobes?
wtf? what feckin language?
there is no need 4 language like that
king007, lovey, I'm an Atheist through and through so being afraid of Islam is not on my agenda.
I'm often baffled by the word 'The Truth' What truth exactly?
King007: I'm about to convert to Islam and will be taking the name of Ayman, but that wont stop me from having an open mind to all other subjects and has cutey dog said, "The thing is Muslims can't convert. They are Muslims for life, even if they wanted to and a few have tried, in some areas of the world they would be murdered!"
But if they go to a country "that allows freedom of religion some do leave Islam" and the ones that stay, behave completelly different compared with their ways on Islamic countries.
Airsupply: No, this is not an attack to faith but it's a fact. I have seen it with my own eyes.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Supernurse, that shows ur "cowardness", afraid of Truth, afraid of Islam???
Why are u so afraid of truth? Look around, Islam is the fastest growing religion, specially after the hate which is spread against it!!!
Eco-savvy, have you been on the Jack Daniels again? Tut tut......
gives me Joy, Hell for spl ppl wow
king007 don't get your twat in a twist......I won't visit as I have no interest in some loony harping on about how he left christianity and embraced Islam and how christians are wicked and shall be sent to hell....
Hmmm...Think i go read the link and than i may do or not some ironic comments to the questions showed :)
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
supernurse and others who just keep abusing by hiding behind internet, visit and ask your questions, who knows u may be guided to truth.
Your hate does not make a bits difference to Islam, the more hatred is spread against Islam, the faster is the growth of Islam, history is witness to it! Keep hating if u want to instead of studying the religion from right sources (instead of Anti-Islamic sources).
OMG! And this man preaches for free does he?.....
Born A Strong Christian
I was born into a very strong Christian family in the Midwest. Our family and their ancestors not only built the churches and schools across this land, but actually were the same ones who came here in the first place. While I was still in elementary we relocated in Houston, Texas in 1949 (I'm old). We attended church regularly and I was baptized at the age of 12 in Pasadena, Texas. As a teenager, I wanted to visit other churches to learn more of their teachings and beliefs. The Baptists, Methodists, Episcopalians, Charismatic movements, Nazarene, Church of Christ, Church of God, Church of God in Christ, Full Gospel, Agape, Catholic, Presbyterian and many more. I developed quite a thirst for the "Gospel" or as we say; "Good News." My research into religion did not stop with Christianity. Not at all. Hinduism, Judaism, Buddhism, Metaphysics, native American beliefs were all a part of my studies. Just about the only one that I did not look into seriously was "Islam". Why? Good question.
http://islamtomorrow.com/yusuf/priests_n_preachers.htm
Keep an eye to the sky tonight!
A celestial light show is promised!
Maybe he's mixing up with 'Return of the Jedi'.....Is this bloke saying he is Jesus?
Oh Allah I know you love me and You will listen to Me
He says he wants to meet Muslims one more time.....who? The bloke? Jesus? aahhhh this bloke isn't going to do the deed somewhere is he? Preferably nowhere in the UK until after July, ta mate.....
cutey...you are sooo right..I've just looked at that link...very mmmmm....mmm...
we already met him last week...
http://www.islamnewsroom.com/content/view/621/52/
This man was a preacher NOT a catholic priest, BIG difference.
Before and after photos laughable.........
I wonder what he will have to spout tomorrow.....I won't be there, couldn't think of anything worse than listening to a convert, I'd prefer to hear if from someone who is an indiginous (sic) Muslim not a pretend one......
I am planning to attend it with my friends..
http://www.islamtomorrow.com/yusuf.asp
"Everybody hide the Joint, Jesus is coming" ;)
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
yeah, yeah and he can open the water for me so I can bike it to Abu Dhabi, save a flippin fortune, won't have to go by plane!...I'll ask him when he returns tomorrow!! Whoopeee!!
Will be there, inshaAllah.......Sheikh yusuf Estes is inspirational......an christian priest who reverted to Islam!
Topic poster: ignore the "sick" comments from "frustrated" souls!
i found jesus, he was hiding behind my couch!
WHAAATT? You mean, Jesus is going to be there?!! At the Souq? Jesus has returned! Wahey!