Blind Qatari women to marry male prisoners??

strawberry_shisha
By strawberry_shisha

Doha: The Family Consultancy Centre needs to organise marriages between blind women and male prisoners, blind women were quoted as saying by Al Watan recently.

Blind women do not seek any monetary benefit, which is why it is the best option for us, 39-year-old Wadeha Al Mazrohi said, who lost her eye sight at the age of 27 after an accident.

Marriages of blind women is a taboo subject in most Qatari families, where families feel ashamed of speaking about the issue. For blind men, the situation is different altogether. Many of these men have as many as three wives while their female counterparts have no marriage prospect in sight, many complained.

“Government should give some sort of incentive to men such as accommodation for marrying blind women,” said Al Mazrohi, who went on to study business from UK despite the loss of sight.

Read more: http://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/qatar/206691-fewer-marriage-proposals-f...

By anonymous• 20 Sep 2012 13:04
anonymous

S-Shisha I wish you are wrong.I pray you are wrong.

By FathimaH• 20 Sep 2012 08:34
FathimaH

I guess it maybe easier then for them to get permission to marry a prisoner from among their country men as opposed to marrying a non Qatari perhaps..Allahu alam. Either ways the very fact that they even think this way is painful to me cos as I said before knowing how highly even God speaks of the blind.To then imagine they are made to feel so lowly and unworthy of a loving marriage to good men(who need no bribes) is pathetic!

By GodFather.• 20 Sep 2012 08:26
GodFather.

FathimaH, The women may be getting desperate due to the social taboo and family pressures? It is definitely not a wise move to marry Prisoners, assuming most of them are there because they committed a crime of some sort.

By FathimaH• 20 Sep 2012 08:22
FathimaH

The suggestion to be allowed to marry a prisoner came from the ladies themselves. Certainly made me wonder why they would want to make such a drastic request than instead asking their government to allow them to marry accepting and understanding Non Qataris of upstanding character.

By GodFather.• 20 Sep 2012 08:10
GodFather.

I don't think it is a healthy suggestion for the blind women who might be vulnerable due to their disability to be with criminals.

Better options would be to allow such women to marry non-Qataris, I am sure there will caring souls out there who would like to take care of such women and truly love them.

I have a nephew who is married to a partially blinded girl and they are happily married and go around just like normal couples.

By FathimaH• 20 Sep 2012 07:59
FathimaH

On the contrary what you say is completely true. And yes I too baulked at the idea of incentives to marry a blind woman!

By strawberry_shisha• 20 Sep 2012 07:53
strawberry_shisha

uncertain, it will take ages before it will happen..

By anonymous• 19 Sep 2012 21:54
anonymous

The article says, "The government should raise awareness among people and work out on issues of marriages of blind women, said Mona Al Kuwari, member of the cultural and social centre,.."

Why the government? Why not the Qatari man and women? Why not the Imam on his Friday sermon? Why put the burden on the Government? Does Mona Al Kuwari want the Govt. to pass on a Law? What can the Govt. effectively do? Put a few billboards around, a few TV adverts?

What we need is: Education, education and education. Start educating the Qatari community? Each parent should teach their kids the value of love, to love and respect anyone irrespective of any physical disabilities. Get teachers to inculcate respect for others in the young students. Create a new subject in the school curriculum, call it Moral Studies or whatever name where our young children are taught moral values and respect for people whether they are black, tall, short, blind, deaf or dumb or whatever.

“Government should give some sort of incentive to men such as accommodation for marrying blind women,” WHAT??? Financial incentives? Is this a solution? That is just ludicrous. Marriage is a long term relationship that is based on Love and Love does not need financial incentives. Are we trying to fake love here?

It's just a sad story. What a shame! Man, I thought we were living in the 21st century?

As usual, I am uncertain whether I am typing rubbish here. So please forgive.

By strawberry_shisha• 18 Sep 2012 14:38
strawberry_shisha

ozisbest, probably the answer to ur question is this:

"Marriages of blind women is a taboo subject in most Qatari families, where families feel ashamed of speaking about the issue. For blind men, the situation is different altogether. Many of these men have as many as three wives while their female counterparts have no marriage prospect in sight, many complained."

Read more: http://www.qatarliving.com/node/4465626?page=1#ixzz26ovnu4xT

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By ozisbest• 9 Sep 2012 06:16
ozisbest

WHY DOES THE QATARI GOVERNMENT NOT PAY OR HAVE ANY MONETARY FACILITIES TO BLIND WOMEN. I MEAN THEY PAY EVERY LAZY AND SNOBBY QATARI. WHY NOT THE POOR BLIND LADIES.. ISNT THAT WEIRD. OR IS IT THE QATARI FAMILIES EAT UP THE MONEY GIVEN TO THEIR BLIND LADIES. DONT KNOW.. I BELEIVE THE QATARI GOVERNMENT IS VERY GOOD WITH ITS PEOPLE BUT MOST OF THE QATARI NATIONALS ARE A SHAME TO ITS COUNTRY. YES MOST OF THEM ARE JUST SHAME TO QATAR.. UNFORTUNATELY.

By strawberry_shisha• 8 Sep 2012 08:53
strawberry_shisha

to each is own

By aiwa6• 7 Sep 2012 13:27
aiwa6

*yawn*

Why can't everyone agree to disagree and part in mutual harmony?

:)

By strawberry_shisha• 7 Sep 2012 13:17
strawberry_shisha

it will take million years before everything will change in Qatar..not only here but in the world in general..

By Molten Metal• 7 Sep 2012 09:29
Molten Metal

People should change their attitude.

By insanityOO7• 7 Sep 2012 09:00
insanityOO7

"...full veil is not mandatory in islam. it is sufficient for a woman to be dressed modestly, showing her face hands and feet up to the ankle. the practice of the niqab and full veil is to me an invention and we know where the invention leads..."

As this is not a religious thread and already warned by mods I can't comment much on this except that kindly read what Sister Fathema and yours truly -:) wrote on this topic in previous posts...in short to say that full veil is innovation is completely WRONG.

By Segmund• 7 Sep 2012 08:35
Segmund

It is not difficult to come on a galloping moral horse and preach others for what it should be like. However, it is not so easy to see the realities on the ground and describe them as they are.

No matter how much you debate it, the matter whether a full veil or a partial one, the dabate would still remain endless. The best middle ground is that, as things stand in our society, let those who want to cover their face do so. Those who dont, again it is purely their own choice. In their hearts they know, whether they are doing right or wrong. If they believe it is ok in Islam to expose your feet, hands and face, it is their own matter and I do not think God will punish them unless they know really that it was not ok.

As to the blind marrying the prisoner, may I request you again to get off your bloody moral horse and do a little bit of introspection. Would you yourself marry a woman who is blind? Perhaps you are far to humane than the rest of us and would be willing to do so on moral grounds. But believe me this is not the case with everyone. It is not even a matter of Qatari's. No where in the world are people with disabilities preferred equally as normal people when it comes to choosing a spouse. That is a stark reality (and I must say I hate it that I belong to a species which is selfish by nature).

People should change their attitude. You are right. (Let us ride this moral horse together for a while). They should not discriminate on color of skin, financial status, physical appearance or the presence of any disability. A blind person is as human as someone who is not blind. An ill person is still as human as someone who is healthy. A poor human and a rich human are only different in monetary terms.

Realities, however, still exist. Prisoners too are not dirt under your bloody feet! They are also equally human. Committing a crime (or being sent to prison wrongly) does not make you an animal for the rest of your life.

I think it is a very welcome decision on the part of those who came up with this idea. If they are able to find some people among the prisoners who are already about to complete their terms, who do not have heinous crimes like murder, rape etc. to their name, who have pledged to live a normal life, there is nothing wrong if they are allowed to marry a blind woman--- even if that means a mild relaxation in their punishment.

By Molten Metal• 4 Sep 2012 17:26
Molten Metal

It is matter of one's life so it is acceptable to encompass as many aspects as just crop up till the wedding day ..

By nomerci• 4 Sep 2012 17:23
nomerci

Well brit, that's perfectly fine with me...as long as people respect EACH opinion.

There is nothing wrong with discussing things, but people should never make their opinion the only right one.

It's perfectly on to say "I believe that...." or" I think that.....".

By britexpat• 4 Sep 2012 17:19
britexpat

One problem is that most of us have "opinions" on religious issues based not on facts , but heresay and little true knowledge of the subject - yet we all profess to be experts :O)

By nomerci• 4 Sep 2012 17:05
nomerci

Stealth, I don't know...they always divert to the very same things...when will people just accept that different people believe in different things?

By stealth• 4 Sep 2012 16:55
stealth

It is fascinating to see threads being diverted easily at QL

By nomerci• 4 Sep 2012 16:20
nomerci

How very repetetive and boring!

By britexpat• 4 Sep 2012 16:13
britexpat

It was about Blind Women looking for partners and willing to marry prisoners.

However as usual, it was hijacked towards the hijab and face covering..

By nomerci• 4 Sep 2012 16:10
nomerci

Hang on...was this thread about hijab or blind women marrying prisoners???

By strawberry_shisha• 4 Sep 2012 15:10
strawberry_shisha

Molten and benson - yes you are right :)

By Molten Metal• 3 Sep 2012 19:16
Molten Metal

in the pic are not Qatari & not related to the article , I have this feeling.

By insanityOO7• 3 Sep 2012 18:38
insanityOO7

"...better to cover and hide the face!!! No disrespect meant here. God created us with a face same as men. Tell me why it needs to be covered up? BTW my husband sister's are muslim. but do not cover the face...."

Dear Mimi,

There Are No Analogies For The Sunnah (as is mentioned very nicely in the Kitaab Sharh us-Sunnah by Al-Barbahaaree)

"May Allaah have mercy upon you! Know that the Sunnah is not a matter for analogies or reasoning with examples, and desires are not to be followed in it. Rather, it is just a case of affirming the narrations from Allaah's Messenger (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam), without asking how, explaining or saying: 'Why?' or 'How?'’

The definition of muslim is to surrender ones will to the will of Allah SWT

and

a muslim is person who believes in Quran & Sunnah UNCONDITIONALLY

as

Sunnah (prophets teachings, example, explanations etc.) is not a matter of analogies OR reasoning.

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By Segmund• 3 Sep 2012 16:10
Segmund

Yeah, right. BTW, your picture is nice.

By FathimaH• 3 Sep 2012 16:07
FathimaH

Your most welcome.. Masalaama!

By mihwar• 3 Sep 2012 15:23
mihwar

this is feel sad, bcz the blind women can suffer again marrying a prisoner. If a society or a group can involve and help their marriage why they cant find the people from outside from the prison n give a the better partner???

By britexpat• 3 Sep 2012 15:18
britexpat

This post proves the adage that a Little Knowledge Is A dangerous Thing...:O(

By koleola• 3 Sep 2012 15:09
koleola

@ mimiloves2sing,your opinion about the full face veiling of a Muslim women is totally out of point.It shows that you don't have sound knowledge about Islam.Even if you are not a Muslim,you have to make good research and ask questions about an issue before you can say your opinion about it.You don't need to jump on the band wagon about any issue.Full veiling is never a tradition of any tribe.It is the commandment from Allah to all the believing women in Islam.

By mimiloves2sing• 3 Sep 2012 14:28
mimiloves2sing

Thank you Benson, Thanks sister Fatimah.But I never was talking about the hijab. forgive me but, I clearly was stating it was an "opinion" of mine, that covering the face partially or with a full veil is not in Islam, it is just old tribal traditions.

Also I do not need to answer the 5 questions because they are ridiculous. Like expatbrit says.

Salam, and I have more important things to do with my life then respond. If I don't reply it is because I have a life, can't always be online for QL.

By Segmund• 3 Sep 2012 14:18
Segmund

yeah, exactly and charity begins at home.

By Segmund• 3 Sep 2012 14:10
Segmund

Probably he is on more friendly terms with me than you dear. And I know he is not a bad person at all. He is in fact quite something of a gentleman. However, his funny answers deserve a funny comment.

By Segmund• 3 Sep 2012 14:03
Segmund

Nevermind Brit. Looks like he was high on pot when he said horses can fly.

By Molten Metal• 3 Sep 2012 13:45
Molten Metal

A million thanks.

And what do you say , in the picture two of the women looking like real sisters ?

By FathimaH• 3 Sep 2012 13:39
FathimaH

Thank you both so much for all your kind words, and I'm truly glad to be of any help!

By britexpat• 3 Sep 2012 13:38
britexpat

We are diverting from the topic, but;

Q: "Why do men not use lip sticks?

A: They do. Seen it myself

Q:Why do men not wear bras?

A: They can and sometimes do to manage their Moobs

Q: Why do men not get paid the same amount of money as women if they choose to become sex workers?

A: Men can get the same and sometimes get more.

Q: Why dont men not get pregnant?

A: Recently, there have been two cases of men getting pregnant and having a baby

Q:Why do a man not raped so easily if he is allowed to be in the company of unrelated, unruly women?"

A: Man can be raped easily. Go to Newcastle any Saturday night or Irish Harp at the weekend and wave a wad of money around.

Now can we get back to the topic..

By Molten Metal• 3 Sep 2012 13:35
Molten Metal

And those were asked by someone else not me on Sun, 02/09/2012 - 10:51 pm above

By Molten Metal• 3 Sep 2012 13:24
Molten Metal

posted on Sun, 02/09/2012 - 10:51 pm above and find out ..

By Molten Metal• 3 Sep 2012 13:21
Molten Metal

High regards for any thing said about God. I agree with you.

But you know those 5 questions were put up yesterday to 'mimiloves2sing' but still waiting for the response ..

And those were asked by someone else not me.

By britexpat• 3 Sep 2012 13:20
britexpat

What five questions ?

By Molten Metal• 3 Sep 2012 10:58
Molten Metal

but till now nobody answered those 5 questions ..

By strawberry_shisha• 3 Sep 2012 10:20
strawberry_shisha

@fatimah - it's okay..i wouldn't mind you high jacking the thread to clear some vague issues.. your explanations is very enlightening esp for a non-muslim like me..worth the read always :)

By sajmarhab• 3 Sep 2012 07:49
sajmarhab

If you wanna know the authenticity of face Veil (Niqab), the please read the link below. from one of the greatest scholar. HE Ibn Baz..

Learn Islam from its authentic source, and it is Quran and the Authentic Sunnah of Prophet (PBUH),

http://www.alifta.com/Fatawa/FatawaSubjects.aspx?View=Page&&NodeID=3301&PageID=503&SectionID=14&SubjectPageTitlesID=97251&MarkIndex=6&0#Encouragingwomentounveiltheirfaces

By Molten Metal• 3 Sep 2012 07:48
Molten Metal

...... "Why do men not use lip sticks? Why do men not wear bras? Why do men not get paid the same amount of money as women if they choose to become sex workers? Why dont men not get pregnant? Why do a man not raped so easily if he is allowed to be in the company of unrelated, unruly women?"....''

By Segmund• 3 Sep 2012 02:43
Segmund

That is so graceful of you, but. You see, I mean, it is not just about you. Will a qatari lady want to marry you? That is indeed an equally valid consideration.

By FathimaH• 3 Sep 2012 00:42
FathimaH

The same can be said about all our body parts then,habibthy. Why have legs and have to cover em? why have shoulders,chests etc and have to cover em?(since men can show their shoulders, chests etc)The fact of the matter is we Muslims women cover up because our Lord tells us so. And this command of God's is for as long as earth exists, be it 2012 or 2022! Besides men have their own dress code rules and other duties which we are exempted from.

And not all women who cover their faces, or men who support their wives/daughters/etc wearing niqab, think women who don't are sinners and inferior to those wearing face veils, at least I know I don't.

Again I mean no ill feelings, only clarifying why some of us do what we do.

Peace out!

Anyways this was a bit of a hijack and hope we all don't get a perfectly good thread deleted. Sorry Strawberry and sorry mods!

By Segmund• 2 Sep 2012 22:51
Segmund

You do not seem to get the point. Or perhaps you are just acting the giddy goat. Anyways, why God wanted women to cover themselves more than men is something I dont want to talk about. Just tell me why should you have a problem if someone else decides to cover their face. What is the need to oppose the idea. If someone can respect the fact that you are exposing your valuables, why can you just not tolerate if someone does not want to show you their face. Why is it your problem?

Just one question, although it is not very relevant ok. But since after reading your posts, I have become a huge admirer of yours, I would rather ask it here:

"Why do men not use lip sticks? Why do men not wear bras? Why do men not get paid the same amount of money as women if they choose to become sex workers? Why dont men not get pregnant? Why do a man not raped so easily if he is allowed to be in the company of unrelated, unruly women?"

God has made us equal, right! ( I dont deny that though). Why are these things different then.

If you can give me a plausible answer to these queries, I shall surrender to you head over the ears and shall throw all my weight in balance for you to be weighed.

By stealth• 2 Sep 2012 22:16
stealth

Benson, When one covers from head to toe, won't the the face be covered by default?

By mimiloves2sing• 2 Sep 2012 21:54
mimiloves2sing

better to cover and hide the face!!! No disrespect meant here. God created us with a face same as men. Tell me why it needs to be covered up? BTW my husband sister's are muslim. but do not cover the face.

Anyway, it was just a personal opinion when i saw the pic. personal choice traditions. I am not talking about Hijab anyway, I was commenting about covered faces that GOD created.

Why have a face at all if her identity has to be hidden? Hide the man's FACE too then.

I was just mentioning what mentality says we have to hide the face God created? 2012 people. You can still have good family values and morals, but show your face is not a sin!

Cheers. Salam. and forgive me for being human with opinions, and a face.

By Segmund• 2 Sep 2012 19:08
Segmund

Ahan, ok.

By Segmund• 2 Sep 2012 19:07
Segmund

Amazing take.

By insanityOO7• 2 Sep 2012 18:18
insanityOO7

"...my husband tells me everything I need to know. He is muslim so I trust and beleive in him. It is not Rubbish what I said. I said it is traditional tribal ways that have these women cover their face partially or fully veiled. Not Required by Islam,..."

Dear mimi, in Islam any view needs to be based on the references from authentic religious texts....and as sister fatimah pointed out there are some differences amongst the scholars on whether Face veil is compulsory/obligatory or not...but there is no difference amongst all leading scholars on the fact that wearing a face veil is better and more modest than not wearing a face veil.

".....Many Muslim women who speak on woman's rights, even say, they are brain-washed by MEN at very early age to wear these clothes, and memorize, memorize, memorize the qua ran....."

Muslim women who speak on women's rights are generally inspired by the feministic ideology of the west (which has done more harm to women than good) and more often than not are not aware about the rights islam offers to women. Secondly they want to promote the myth that islam oppresses women (that is how they get the support of their target audience).

However the point to note is that in islam women wear hijab not because men want them to ...rather it is because it is the command of god and even men have to wear hijab though the extent is different from women.

Both men and women in Islam are encouraged to memorize the Quran, and they memorize it because of the rewards associated with it ... not because someone is forcing them to do so...

By britexpat• 2 Sep 2012 18:09
britexpat

Once again, we go off at a tangent..

From what I percieve, the women are voicing their frustrations and suggesting that they are even ready to marry criminals in order to get a partner / companion.

They are asking the authorities to help them find companions / mates and arguing that society looks upon them as outcasts where marriage is concerned..

It has nothing to do with covering faces etc ...

By nomerci• 2 Sep 2012 18:09
nomerci

Segmund, in Europe.

By Segmund• 2 Sep 2012 18:06
Segmund

Where is your society, Rome?

By Segmund• 2 Sep 2012 18:00
Segmund

that is precisely what I am trying to explain. stories are one thing, reality is another. why? they are two different words, they are spelt differently and they mean quite different things.

By nomerci• 2 Sep 2012 18:00
nomerci

Well Segmund, maybe you are right. Maybe this society is simply more realistic and pragmatic about the reality of the situation.

I really can't compare, as I have never heard anything like this in my society...I know a few people who see and are married to a blind person,none of them were prisoners though. But in general, I do not know what the situation of blind women concerning marriage in my society is ....I do know many of them are independent and work though.

By Segmund• 2 Sep 2012 17:50
Segmund

In the world of reality, no, very few if any, men would want to marry a woman who is blind. I know this is stupid but this is how this world is set up. No one want to marry the poor, the ugly and anyone with any kind of defect. This is a bitter reality of our life.

I was so happy the other day to know that this short girl (who has the disorder called achondroplasia) was married by another man with the same condition. I know she deserved Tom Cruise even but Tom would really be willing to do so.

It saddens me more than you might think to see all the injustices in the world. I hate to see people suffer, and I long to lift the sufferings but I suffer too.

In my stories I can make a blind woman with no money get married to a young man, handsome, graceful and very well to do. But even I cant stop myself going awry over the absurdity of such a situation.

By Molten Metal• 2 Sep 2012 17:50
Molten Metal

some Qataris join this discussion because .. afterall it is about 'them' ..

By nomerci• 2 Sep 2012 17:41
nomerci

Segmund, I am relatively sure that nobody is condemming the prisoners here. Point is, because a woman is blind, there are only prisoners to marry her? Do you not find this wrong on quite a few levels?

Does that not give a certain, IMHO not pretty, picture of above mentioned society?

By Segmund• 2 Sep 2012 17:03
Segmund

I believe you guys are all sin free and have not done anything wrong in your life whatsoever. Since I am no saint here, I would stop talking on behalf of criminals, who according to you, have no right to live whatsoever. Just because they have done wrong, they are devils. Right?

You all saints!

By nomerci• 2 Sep 2012 16:43
nomerci

Benson,I see...but do you not think that the "wali" was already considered , albeit not mentioned, in the article, as having a wali is common practice in above mentioned society?

By nomerci• 2 Sep 2012 16:35
nomerci

benson, if that is indeed so, can you set the record straight? Where has this article misguided us?

By Segmund• 2 Sep 2012 16:28
Segmund

I know what you are saying but a criminal can be normal as well. Not every criminal is fallen from the height of humanity. Some criminals go on to become better people than many of us.

I know no one wants their sister or daughter to be wedded by someone who had committed a crime, but when there is simply no chance of a woman to be married, then I think a little bit of compromise is not a very bad idea.

By syedshareefahmed• 2 Sep 2012 16:26
syedshareefahmed

I am really shocked to hear Qatari behave such manner. If after marriage his wife became blind what he will do???????????.

Don't forget Allat(swt) will reward us for our sacrifices.

By nomerci• 2 Sep 2012 16:26
nomerci

Hmm, does that mean a blind woman enjoys the same status in society as a convicted criminal?

By FathimaH• 2 Sep 2012 16:06
FathimaH

Again good observation. I'm guessing most likely they mean Qatari prison inmates.

By FathimaH• 2 Sep 2012 16:03
FathimaH

Yes I too would like to know which father/guardian of these young women will approve of their marriage to some unscrupulous/criminal man. Are all these women orphans? Have they then nobody to act on their behalf(wakeel)? Very strange indeed!

Wassalaam

By FathimaH• 2 Sep 2012 16:01
FathimaH

Brother, yes the prisoners are human too but they are/were afterall wrongdoers for which reason they are in this state(except of course those wrongly imprisoned innocents).

As a woman who wants for my sisters what I want for myself, I wouldn't like that any innocent lady, blind or not, be given in marriage to a criminal simply because men of better standing in life refuse to marry them. That's very sad.

Of course supposing these prisoners have since repented and reformed, then I too see no issue in them marrying righteous women. Because after all who among us is without sin,sah?

By Segmund• 2 Sep 2012 15:43
Segmund

There are two issues being discussed here: hijab and marriage of the blind women.

Whether it is obligatory in Islam to cover the whole face is debatable. There are people on either side of the discussion. As someone with next to no mastery over the subject, I would not venture into the discussion by siding with anyone. However, I do find it despicable, to say the least, that some people even some ignoramous women find it wrong when other women put on hijab. I mean get a life losers! If I am a woman, and I like a part of my body to be covered, whether it is my foot or my face, it is my own personal issue. Who the hell are you to tell me anything about it? You can go around exposing your privates and I wont say a word, but if I am happy covering myself, why should that give you any pain in the hind side?

In my personal opinion, I respect every human being for the very fact of being human and regardless of whether or not they cover themselves. It is the right of every human to dress the way they like, perhaps going nude in public would be a little bit of infringment on others' right, yet to a good extent it is a personal matter.

As to the marriage for blind women, I think human beings with any infirmities are still as humans and deserve the same respect and compassion if not more. If there are prisoners, who are willing to treat their wives with dignity, there is no harm in allowing them to marry the blind (since the prisoners too are human). Some people might object as to why not any other men and just a selected group. Well, the problem is that most people would not be willing to get married to a blind woman and thus finding out people who would be willing is really a good idea.

By Happy Happy• 2 Sep 2012 15:20
Happy Happy

Brit and Smoke, it is not like those women met around the table "blindly" to come up with such a recommendation as per the article at hand. This is something that must have been initiated by a more powerful entity or ministry or even by the Consultancy Center itself.

A few women may agree to this proposal due to the circumstance.

By FathimaH• 2 Sep 2012 15:06
FathimaH

I know what you say is not rubbish, but as I told you there is deferring among many schools of thoughts in Islam as to the position of niqab. Personally I do it, by choice, having read and studied the evidences from the Quran and hadith,and I am one of the only ladies in my family to do so, as I come from a family of mixed faiths, beliefs and ethnicity. And I am with with the scholars and people of knowledge who say it is not mandatory, which is what the Sheikhah probably meant. Hope I didn't sound like I was dissing you in anyway. Sorry if I did.

I agree, blind people can possess great talents. Many great scholars were blind, not to mention many great individuals from around the world. It's sad then that these women have been made to feel so lowly and unworthy of marriages to eligible men of upstanding character. Hope and pray they indeed get all the love, happiness and success of this world and the next.

By mimiloves2sing• 2 Sep 2012 14:50
mimiloves2sing

Mohammad, thank you. how i know or knew? I knew cuz I am married to a Arab Muslim who knows, & teaches me: I have been in many muslim countries, and have read the quran. I am not just saying like I am a Westerner...You need to educate yourself about what is the difference between tribal traditions and what is in Islam.

Covering the face....Just old tribal traditions being passed down... doesnt make mean it's Islam required and in the Quran. Many Muslim women who speak on woman's rights, even say, they are brain-washed by MEN at very early age to wear these clothes, and memorize, memorize, memorize the quaran.

Salam, it should be personal choice not forced.

By mimiloves2sing• 2 Sep 2012 14:34
mimiloves2sing

FathimaH,

my husband tells me everything I need to know. He is muslim so I trust and beleive in him. It is not Rubbish what I said. I said it is traditional tribal ways that have these women cover their face partially or fully veiled. Not Required by Islam, even the Sheikha Mozah says women do not need to do this. Her personal style is rich with power and confidence, yet retains a real femininity.

Anyway, bless and pray for these blind women to have good humanane men, who treat her right. Anyone blind can lead almost normal life's. I recently saw a blind Chef on Masterchef. Her talent's are amazing, and just watching her cook blind by using her other senses is just what God provided her to do.

By britexpat• 2 Sep 2012 14:26
britexpat

I believe you are misinformed in this case. a woman can and should protect her rights at the time of marriage.

By .sun26872• 2 Sep 2012 14:22
.sun26872

magical words..........blurted thrice........can rid the man of the unwanted baggage.

By britexpat• 2 Sep 2012 14:15
britexpat

"There are almost no matrimonial rights for the women."

Interesting. Please elaborate..

By .sun26872• 2 Sep 2012 14:13
.sun26872

I seriously feel that no man should ever be given any incentive for any kind of marriage, especially in conservative societies. There are almost no matrimonial rights for the women. What will ensure her well being or safety after such kind of marriage?Secondly, has nobody ever heard of bionic eyes? Or especially trained dogs? Please overcome the mentality that finding the right groom is the only solution to all the plights of the damsels. Usually getting into a loveless marriage of 'convenience' is the beginning of all the evil (and I am sure most of us know what I mean).

By FathimaH• 2 Sep 2012 12:59
FathimaH

There is actually authentic evidences from the Quran and the hadith(narrations of the Prophet) of face veils or niqab being very much a part of Islam. I cannot post them here due to it being against QL guidelines now, but have done so in the past. However many schools of thoughts in Islam defer as to whether it is obligatory or not. Some say it is others say though it's a highly rewarding act it's not a must, etc.

I am one of those who stand by the position that as long as it's done by choice for only God's sake, and not enforced upon an individual, then the niqab is a rewarding act for sure and has it's share of blessings.

That said your brother's story is truly heartwarming and may God guide him and his family to always doing what's right and bless them..Aameen!

Now as for the OP, then I find the whole story very saddening. That these wonderfully brave women, who endure such a huge trial of being blind, feel that the only option open to them is to wed some criminals! Why? Who made them think this way? In Islam God promises paradise to anyone who is blind yet remains patient. Would not any man then be blessed to marry such a woman? Why would he need to be bribed by incentives when in fact he is getting a wife who may not only be outwardly beautiful but also possess within her great inner strength and courage?

I know of many men who will actually cherish being married to such ladies, so I suppose the prejudice they face is from around them. Perhaps then they should be given the chance to marry respectable men from outside their community than prisoners and men driven by wealth offered by the government as a reward!

By smoke• 2 Sep 2012 12:37
smoke

Yes it is sad that they would turn to "prisoners" for finding partners, I dont get it...wouldn't it be better to be single than have a convicted criminal as a husband?

By britexpat• 2 Sep 2012 11:14
britexpat

You are right. no one is forcing anyone. However, in this case it seems that these women are willing to turn to this option just to get a partner.

By mohammad naufal• 2 Sep 2012 11:13
mohammad naufal

how u knew its not in islam and not required?who has told this rubbish?

as far as a woman is concerned in islam her body full is 'OWRATH'(MUST BE COVERED)include her hair and nail.while prayer only she can avoid to cover her face and hand.its not traditional system like u said.and nobody compel to wear this,because if she want to follow the prophet words and if she want to gain heaven then they must obey islamic concepts.

By mohammad naufal• 2 Sep 2012 11:12
mohammad naufal

.!

By Happy Happy• 2 Sep 2012 10:11
Happy Happy

Many thanks Brit, miss our conversations big time. As for Morsi, we will make sure he behaves. We're waiting til his 100 days in office are up.

Swerving back to the topic, blind Qatari MEN do deserve the right partner as well. So, Qatar has to work out a plan to connect the families of those through organized events or simply through an association/community. This is very easy to do.

Qatar has already launched reasonable initiatives such as "Takful"- if I remember the name correctly- to get the economically distressed to wed.

It's good for the gov to have the intent to shoot at the taboos in the society in a practical manner, but they need to be HUMAN in this process, and treat both genders equally. Awarding an outlaw with a wife is disgusting.

FYI, I couldn't open the link. Will look it up.

By smoke• 2 Sep 2012 10:04
smoke

I seriously doubt anyone reads anything properly anymore.

"The Family Consultancy Centre needs to organise marriages between blind women and male prisoners, blind women were quoted as saying by Al Watan recently."

The BLIND women themselves are asking for this.

"Blind women do not seek any monetary benefit, which is why it is the best option for us, 39-year-old Wadeha Al Mazrohi said, who lost her eye sight at the age of 27 after an accident."

BEST OPTION FOR US...a blind woman herself is saying its the BEST option...READ people read before giving us your idiotic comments.

ITs not the law, no one is forcing anyone. sheesh!

By britexpat• 2 Sep 2012 09:46
britexpat

Welcome back. Hope Morsi and Egypt are heading in the right direction ..

Sorry for the slight hijack ..

By Happy Happy• 2 Sep 2012 09:41
Happy Happy

Humiliating. They could create a community for Qataris with special needs from both genders and have them mingle in such a social way to preserve their dignity and allow both to find their prospected partners.

HAVING to marry a prisoner is so much to me like a woman having to marry her rapist by force of the cultural context in most of our Arab countries.

By britexpat• 2 Sep 2012 09:33
britexpat

“It is hard to understand why the community refuses the idea of marriages of blind women."

But the article states why. It is a sad situation, but a reality.

Most families are obviously of the viewpoint that if a sighted girl is available, them why risk a blind person.

I worry about women being married to prisoners , just for the sake of giving them a partner. However, I would suggest that the idea of governmental incentives to marry a blind person are worth exploring.

By aiwa6• 2 Sep 2012 09:21
aiwa6

yes, very inspiring mimi! God bless you n family, and your brother and sister-in-law!

By omoniyi777• 2 Sep 2012 09:14
omoniyi777

i like your motive you deserve to be a good leader keep it on no matter what we did in life we shall reap

By mimiloves2sing• 2 Sep 2012 09:08
mimiloves2sing

Thank you alwa6

i guess I can always be a matchmaker in my sparetime....yes it is great my brother and best friend are doing fine even with her challenges.

"IT is amazing what you can do no matter the challenges that seem to be in front of you, when you have the I can do anything attitude"

Salam

By omoniyi777• 2 Sep 2012 09:07
omoniyi777

does it true cos we dont have to distigush betwen us cos we were made from God and anything happen to someone is by his/her power but is God wish

By nijel2007• 2 Sep 2012 09:05
nijel2007

This is a worst statement. If the family supports a blind woman, she will not be alone. Why they have to marry prisoners....as if there are no good men to marry them. If the government can offer less hassles, then there may be lots of good people from different countries ready to accept them and treat them like queens.

Being blind is not a crime but asking them to marry a prisoner is really inhumane.

By aiwa6• 2 Sep 2012 09:04
aiwa6

mimiloves2sing, that is wonderful! I am very happy to know about your accomplished sister in law, and your humane brother :)

Salam

By mimiloves2sing• 2 Sep 2012 09:01
mimiloves2sing

yes it's traditions. old mentality...that won't change I guess. and your right it should not hamper marriage.

Same as other handicaps. MY sister in law got menigitis at 8 months old, she ended up in wheelchair since she was old enough to walk since this disease. But she is very independent. And accountant in Beirut. My brother fell in love with her just from her picture I had on my pc ( she is my best friend). It took her family very long time to beleive anyone would want to marry her.

they are happily married with a 3 yr old son now .

So being blind etc should not take away from the right to be human and use your other senses to be a loving, wife and mother etc.

Salam

By amahaz• 2 Sep 2012 09:00
amahaz

you don't know what you talking about what do know about Islam don't just speculate some you aren't sure about it go read about Islam forget Muslim how they are behave just find out about by yourself these ward u used they say in Western media when they talk about Muslim women, washed brain, oppressed such word why don't talk to these and find will they washed brain or oppress.

By aiwa6• 2 Sep 2012 08:59
aiwa6

The article says that men do not want to marry blind women. The title of this may lead people to believe that there is some kind of law saying blind women should marry male prisoners. As mundane as happenings can get, I hope THAT never happens!

Read the article, the first line explains it:

'The Family Consultancy Centre needs to organise marriages between blind women and male prisoners, blind women were quoted as saying by Al Watan recently.'

By aiwa6• 2 Sep 2012 08:53
aiwa6

Sad :(

I knew many blind/partially sighted women in Pakistan. They were extremely talented in one or more fields after gaining training (sewing, embroidery), and all of them had amazing tales to tell of human endurance and resilience. A few of them did get married, and were happy.

'Blind women can live independently today, and even if they do not have sight, they dream to have a family'.

This is precisely what the trainer at that training facility said.

What does it take for a man to marry a blind woman? A humane spirit? Is it too much to ask for?

mimiloves2sing, I get where you're coming from, and I agree with you.

But I respect individual decisions. The only problem is, many women do not remain clad in veils of their own will. It is part of tradition.

And it really shouldn't hamper something as natural as marriage.

By mimiloves2sing• 2 Sep 2012 08:41
mimiloves2sing

this quote from the article you mentioned“We should not punish the blind for a crime they did not commit. A blind woman could be a wife, daughter, sister and a friend,” she said while adding that the media needs to play a big role in creating awareness so that blind girls are not neglected. The Peninsula... it only refers to a crime of refusing these women marriage only because they cant see.

just my opinion...everytime i see women covering their faces....sorry but I find it pathetic that they women cover their faces... it is not required and not in Islam. It is just traditional tribal practice from brain-washing....Even Her Highness Sheikha Mozah,wants to get these brain-washed women into 2012 and make them stop wearing the full veil or partial face cover hiding their faces. hummm just sayn...we were all born with faces...men dont hide their face to be seen only for their wife...so strange

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/fashion-and-beauty/515891-her-highness-sheikha-mozah-named-in-vanity-fair-s-most-stylish-women-in-the-world.html

By Formatted Soul• 2 Sep 2012 08:40
Formatted Soul

Thats really Sad..:(

Why is the society so biased..:(

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