The changing face of Britain

Miss Mimi
By Miss Mimi

Census is in, Christianity is on the decline, Atheism and Islam are on the rise, and white people are almost a minority....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/dec/11/census-religion-decline-rise-bo...

Government statisticians sliced a cross-section through England and Wales on Tuesday and exposed a place that is healthy, increasingly multi-faith and more likely than ever to be talking in Polish, Hindi or Urdu around the dinner table.

The results of the 2011 census of 56 million people, the most thorough analysis yet of how life changed in the first decade of the 21st century, revealed that our towns and cities are global villages with an extra 2.9 million foreign-born people living in England and Wales since 2001 – most from India, Poland and Pakistan – and an additional 1.1 million Muslims, bringing the total to 2.7 million.

Christianity, or at least the number identifying themselves as followers of the largest religion, is on the slide with more than 4 million fewer saying they followed the church than in 2001.

The march of the faithless has also continued with 14.1 million people, about a quarter of the entire population, saying they had no religion at all, a rise of 6.4 million over the decade.

Claiming the title for the most godless places were the student enclaves of Brighton and Norwich, where 42% said they had no religious affiliation, closely followed by Blaenau Gwent, Caerphilly and Rhondda in south Wales, where community leaders said unemployment and a breakdown in community values had loosened religion's hold. Even the number of people jokingly professing to be Jedi Knights more than halved.

The Office of National Statistics census director, Guy Goodwin, said the snapshot of life taken on 27 March 2011 was "a picture of big change since 2001 and a population that is increasingly diverse".

Buried in the statistics, changing social mores were writ large. The number of married people fell below 50%; there were 400,000 more single parents and 504,000 extra cohabiting unmarried couples. Four out of five people said they were in good or very good health but the impact of an ageing population loomed, with 2.1 million people reporting that they were giving 20 hours or more of unpaid care for someone with an illness or disability, almost half a million more than in 2001.

Growing economic hardship figured with 1.8 million of the economically active population unemployed and 2 million households overcrowded – half a million more than in 2001.

But it was the impact of the rising population of people born abroad and the changing face of religion in England and Wales that grabbed attention. On the day Church of England bishops met to discuss the rejection of plans to ordain women bishops, secularists said the trend away from Christianity was evidence that conservative church attitudes did not impress the public.

The British Humanists Association (BHA) had encouraged people to tick the "No religion" box and said the fall was "astounding". It has calculated that Christians could be in a minority by 2018.

Christianity remains the largest religion in England and Wales with 33.2 million followers, or 59% of the population. The Church of England said the figures "confirm we remain a faithful nation", but adding that the fall of 4 million in those choosing to see themselves as Christians was "a challenge".

Rev Arun Arora, director of communications for the Archbishops' Council, said that one explanation may be that fewer people identify as "cultural Christians" – "ie those who have no active involvement with churches and who may previously have identified as Christian for cultural or historical reasons. They indicate a changing pattern of religious life in which traditional or inherited identities are less taken for granted than they used to be."

Andrew Copson, BHA chief executive, said: "This is a really significant cultural shift. It is time that public policy caught up with this mass turning away from religious identities and stopped privileging religious bodies with ever-increasing numbers of state-funded religious schools and other faith-based initiatives."

Islam, the next biggest religion, has a growing base. People who identified themselves as Muslims in 2011 numbered 2.7 million, up from 1.55 million in 2001. Muslims now make up 4.8% of the population, compared with 3% in 2001. There were 817,000 Hindus, 423,000 Sikhs, 263,000 Jews and 248,000 Buddhists.

Farooq Murad, secretary general of the Muslim Council of Britain, said the figures showed Muslims were "playing a significant part in the diversity of Britain" but he added that said the relatively low number would be a reality check for supporters of the far right "who try to alarm the country that Britain is being overrun by Islam".

Julian Bond, director of the Christian Muslim Forum, said the figures reinforced the need to "think about the best possible way to engage with Islam and think about whether people should be having days off for Eid, how Ramadan is accommodated and how religion is taught in schools".

The number identifying themselves in the ONS's category of "white British" fell from 87.5% in 2011 to 80.5% in 2011 with the foreign-born population now close to one in eight in England and Wales.

India accounts for the largest foreign-born population, overtaking Ireland, followed by Poland with an increase of 500,000 people coming to England and Wales in the last decade, spurred by its accession to the European Union in 2004. About half of the foreign-born residents arrived between 2001 and 2011.

The largest increase in the foreign-born population was in London, where more than a third of residents were born abroad – almost a quarter were not British nationals. Britain is far from alone in this: Spain, Sweden, Belgium and Austria are among the eight EU countries that last year recorded a higher percentage of foreign-born nationals.

The ONS's use of the term "foreign-born" does not give a full picture of the changing nature of citizenship. About 60% of foreign-born residents become British citizens within five years of arrival. The figure also includes an estimated 300,000 overseas students as well as a significant minority of Britons who were born overseas, including about 250,000 children born to parents serving abroad in the armed forces.

The status of English as the main language is also changing – 1.2m households now include no adults for whom English is their main language. The census found 31,000 households in Birmingham and more than 21,000 each in Manchester and Leicester had no one resident for whom English was the main language. There were 422,000 households in this category across outer and inner London. The ONS said they had not measured the standard of English for those people who said it was not their main language.

By AngelinaBallerina• 18 Dec 2012 09:58
AngelinaBallerina

Actually Eggy I have to completely agree 100% with you........Bugger orf and worry about your own countries.....If you're not British mind your own bloody business!!!!

By poachedeggs• 18 Dec 2012 02:41
poachedeggs

Why do you all the time bother yourself with what is happening in the UK when you are 'Canadian' and your 'put upon partner' is South African?

Why not concentrate on the s*it in your partners homeland and how crap Canadians are.

Why do you read our papers? You know nothing of the political agenda but you always choose to comment on them- whilst insulting the very press you take your forums from.

Why are you so obsessed with the UK?

Do you really know anything about this topic?

No you don't.

Back off - England has lesser immigrants then some countries.

By Straight Arrow• 16 Dec 2012 22:57
Straight Arrow

Because he tends to scape when you put him in a corner with a tough question

By anonymous• 16 Dec 2012 21:42
anonymous

"But if it were to happen to your relatives you would have no problem believing in it!

What a hypocrite."

Blosted, you a55hole

a real holocaust is taking place daily in Palestine, since more than 60 years

Only a dick head like you insists on denying it

By AngelinaBallerina• 16 Dec 2012 19:51
AngelinaBallerina

Many even...

By AngelinaBallerina• 16 Dec 2012 19:51
AngelinaBallerina

And how many of you actually know anything about Britain enough to pass comment?? Not any I would say.......

By Baburao-Ganpatrao-Apte• 16 Dec 2012 18:26
Baburao-Ganpatrao-Apte

Ukeng talking to ur self ;) lock it now

By GodFather.• 16 Dec 2012 18:18
GodFather.

O dear I thought this thread was about the changing faces of Britain but looks like our resident QL ayatollah's have hijacked this thread :) Mods time to lock this thread :)

By Straight Arrow• 16 Dec 2012 17:43
Straight Arrow

That it is not worth it to reply to it.

By Blosted• 16 Dec 2012 17:33
Blosted

@SA ,well you skipped reading my comments...

And Hajji, I guess loads of people being gazed is not enough to believe in it?

But if it were to happen to your relatives you would have no problem believing in it!

What a hypocrite.

By Straight Arrow• 16 Dec 2012 17:27
Straight Arrow

Wait a mome guys, hajji radii I asked Blosted the question, and he skipped the answer.

By nomerci• 16 Dec 2012 16:49
nomerci

Ah ok.

well, we are the same in a different way then.

By anonymous• 16 Dec 2012 16:49
anonymous

then you are not different from me, nomerci

because I also can't find anything convincing in all the amount of media & museums related to this "holocaust"

I have seen such a museum in Berlin, once. It is so stupid & childish, that I was amazed with the stupidity of people who would believe it

By nomerci• 16 Dec 2012 16:43
nomerci

then tahsinmim, you might want to consider this in your sweeping generalizations.

By nomerci• 16 Dec 2012 16:43
nomerci

I do understand, but I do not find the answers convincing.

By nomerci• 16 Dec 2012 16:42
nomerci

ok Haji, but can you please answer the questions i asked with answers?

And many of the people who "participated" in the holocaust did not move to some promised land...so why are they lieyng?

By anonymous• 16 Dec 2012 16:42
anonymous

I already did, nomercy

It is up to you to understand it or not

By nomerci• 16 Dec 2012 16:40
nomerci

tahsinmim, i am not an atheist.

By anonymous• 16 Dec 2012 16:35
anonymous

is that the "short of your best"???

(Don’t ever be the best you can for anyone else. Don’t even be the best for yourself. Be the best you can for the One who deserves nothing short of your best.)

By anonymous• 16 Dec 2012 16:12
anonymous

I'll answer you with more questions:

1.What country had the biggest losses in lives, during WWII?

2.Does this country has as many museums to document their loss, as the number of museums dedicated to some "holocaust"?

3.Why are investigations and researches not allowed in the west when it comes to this "holocaust"

The more museums/media, the more brain washing on the people.

Pictures, movies, museums...etc can be easily made...just go watch "Wag The Dog"...it's a great movie

They fabricated this "holocaust" to justify the moving to the "promised land"

By Blosted• 16 Dec 2012 16:07
Blosted

Bravo Hajji! I took my hat off for your really thoughtful reply.

It only shows how good are you at making an complete scene out of yourself, and just going around and cherry picking people's comments and trolling them ,to be honest your arrogance is really becoming tiring.

@Babu ,partially, because a suicide bomber chooses to disregard his emotion to achieve a certain goal.

A psychopath has absolutely no awareness of his actions.

By nomerci• 16 Dec 2012 16:04
nomerci

Haji, I hope you can explain something to me.

You are saying the holocaust is a lie. Ok, fine.

Can you please explain to me why they made several museums (in Germany) about it with gruesome evidence?

Why are the concentration camp survivors lieyng about what happened?

All those pictures and books that exist about it, why are they faked?

Ex Nazis, talking and writing about having taken away people at night to camps, people having worked in camps and talking about the experiences...

What is the reason for all those lies?

If it never happend, then why are all those people saying the opposite?

And I am sorry for the hijack.

By anonymous• 16 Dec 2012 15:56
anonymous

The logic of an a55:

"So it is a great offense to speak "

I thought that people are supposed to speak freely, all issues are open for debate, an we should not shut any mouths

By Baburao-Ganpatrao-Apte• 16 Dec 2012 15:52
Baburao-Ganpatrao-Apte

even while suicide bombing the guy lost control ,because emotion is not applicable to him in his situation.

By anonymous• 16 Dec 2012 15:50
anonymous

"the hatred of the west planted in the children's crane at most Arabic countries"

no one is planting it....it is planting itself as a result of their acts towards muslims & arabs (USA & UK, at least)

When you plant and support a strange body in the muslim/arab lands and provide it with weapons to kill the original owners of the land, then don't expect that you are planting love seeds in the souls of muslim/arab children

By anonymous• 16 Dec 2012 15:49
anonymous

blosted

get your head out of your a55

you are the only moron here

there is no such thing as a "holocaust"...it is a lie

if you are brave enough and standing on solid grounds, then discuss it, provide true evidence and win the debate instead of calling peoples names and doing threats

By Blosted• 16 Dec 2012 15:48
Blosted

Oh ! so how about we let the guys with the sticks and and AK47 prevail over the place, abuse the women/girls and children with their divine dogmas , and let's just wait sitting there saying nothing!

If they intervene they are called murderers.

If they do not intervene they are called zionist pigs who are afraid of Israel.

Praise thy mighty logic.

By Blosted• 16 Dec 2012 15:46
Blosted

@Babu , yes either ways you are killing, that's how the normal person sees it.

But to the Psychopath that lost control over himself ,it's something normal ,because emotion is not applicable to him in his situation.

By Blosted• 16 Dec 2012 15:41
Blosted

And to the moron out there who says the "holocaust is a lie"

Yes they wouldn't want you to dig that in public (In specific countries only like France and Germany), because a lot of people died out there, and I am speaking by the hundreds of thousands and millions!

So it is a great offense to speak out of this dark event in public, specially when a lot of the sons and grand sons of the victims are still alive!

It's like blaming the Armenians for not wanting to talk about the Armenian genocide in public in their country.

Or would you say it's a lie too?

By Baburao-Ganpatrao-Apte• 16 Dec 2012 15:41
Baburao-Ganpatrao-Apte

here is a difference between suicide bombing yourself in a tactical way, and loosing control over your nervous system and doing heinous random things like killing.

what is the difference please elaborate, either ways u r "killing"

By Blosted• 16 Dec 2012 15:36
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Blosted

Again,a lot of people are missing the point here.

It is not to you to judge people, you are not a professional psychiatrist, you do not own a psychology or neurology clinic.

There is a big difference between a terrorist and someone who have let's say bipolar disorder.

So quit nagging .

@Babu , if you ask me ,the hatred of the west planted in the children's crane at most Arabic countries is more dangerous than video games.

@SA, No he can't...for whatever you find holy's sake,"closing their eyes?", if you ask me ,till now faith shuts the eye of reason of the people.

Faith literally mean : The belief in something without any approachable evidence.

So basically there is a difference between suicide bombing yourself in a tactical way, and loosing control over your nervous system and doing heinous random things like killing.

By anonymous• 16 Dec 2012 15:34
anonymous

SA

your posts...I mean...I'd like to help you out...which way did you come in?

By Straight Arrow• 16 Dec 2012 15:32
Straight Arrow

Way A will end your life quickly

Way B will make you happy and comfortable

What way will a wise person select and what way an insane person will select?

By anonymous• 16 Dec 2012 15:30
anonymous

QDCLover

And let's not forget those countries who would throw you in prison if you debate or make a research on the so-called "holocaust"

They don't want you to discover the amount of lies in this issue

By Baburao-Ganpatrao-Apte• 16 Dec 2012 15:29
Baburao-Ganpatrao-Apte

An other terrorist white American killed 20 innocent children of age 5 to 10 years old but doesn't get called terrorist even though the people who were near the incident said they were terrorized.

which involves orders of beheading, mental abuse and brain washing children etc...

Video and images take at the scene showed the terror of the moment, as adults led long lines of terrified children out of the school to safety. Parents rushed to the scene to reunite with their children as police crews, including SWAT teams and K-9 units, combed the schoolyard.

Can the term terrorist only be used for non-white or immigrants?

What is this double standard? What do you think?

By Straight Arrow• 16 Dec 2012 15:29
Straight Arrow

please

By Straight Arrow• 16 Dec 2012 15:28
Straight Arrow

If some one decided to close his/her eyes can they see what is infront of them if their eyes remained closed?

Same question for you Blosted

By Blosted• 16 Dec 2012 15:27
Blosted

@SA , sorry, but I am sure this is not getting us elsewhere (Read your reply again), you are using "Comparing two cars" to a controversial matter ,which involves orders of beheading, mental abuse and brain washing children etc...

By Straight Arrow• 16 Dec 2012 15:26
Straight Arrow

Take this example:

If your company have two cars and you are asked to select a car as a gift from your company and one of the cars have a high rate of failure and the other car is alright with very minor defects and it is the number one choice by people, which car will you select?

By Straight Arrow• 16 Dec 2012 15:25
Straight Arrow

about people who are not agreeing with your opinion?

By anonymous• 16 Dec 2012 15:24
anonymous

There is more than just Iran. Hezbollah, Hamas, those guys in Aceh and the Israelis issue death threats against individuals as well.

By Blosted• 16 Dec 2012 15:22
Blosted

@SA, would you please stop with your already old-fashioned argument? whenever you got no effective comments,just don't reply, but don't go around with your "seek the truth,seek the truth".

It's really getting old to be honest,it's more irritating than it is effective.

By Blosted• 16 Dec 2012 15:20
Blosted

@SA, "Any how please mind your words, and your last comment should be implemented by you first" this type of threats, whenever you feel the slightest discomfort by something that is true or different than what you think, you resort in a swift to threats.

Leave alone a civilized debate.

By Straight Arrow• 16 Dec 2012 15:20
Straight Arrow

is good for those who seeks truth and not some media which is misleading some people

By anonymous• 16 Dec 2012 15:19
anonymous

Not really true, the Iranian govt has issued death threats to name just one non-western media.

By Straight Arrow• 16 Dec 2012 15:18
Straight Arrow

posted this on white woman.

By Straight Arrow• 16 Dec 2012 15:15
Straight Arrow

the most dangerous thread is miss leading people and putting religion to satisfy some personal interests.

By Straight Arrow• 16 Dec 2012 15:13
Straight Arrow

Any how please mind your words, and your last comment should be implemented by you first.

By anonymous• 16 Dec 2012 15:11
anonymous

How would I know if someone is telling me a lie? If I know it's a lie of course I do not believe it, but if it is plausible then maybe I do think it is true.

It seems that Islam has become Fight Club. The first rule is do not talk about it....

By anonymous• 16 Dec 2012 15:10
anonymous

well Britexpat, as long as they are not in China, it's OK

But once they go to China, she'll get lost and he'll never recognize her among the million copies of her

By Baburao-Ganpatrao-Apte• 16 Dec 2012 15:07
Baburao-Ganpatrao-Apte

britexpat i thought u wld be keeping my marriage a secret :/

By britexpat• 16 Dec 2012 15:03
britexpat

What is this facination with white women ?

As societies develop and integrate , inter-faith and inter-racial marriages become more commonplace. In fact i have a muslim friend who has just married a christian chinese lady and they are both very happy. :o)

By Blosted• 16 Dec 2012 15:03
Blosted

@SA , your mind has nothing to do when is faced in front of threats from the other side for a stupid debate.

By Straight Arrow• 16 Dec 2012 15:00
Straight Arrow

QDCLover may I give advice, your mind must be the judge and not the news papers or media.

If some one tells you a lie would you believe it immediately?

By anonymous• 16 Dec 2012 14:58
anonymous

yes Chinese

I also have planted some oil seeds in my backyard

By anonymous• 16 Dec 2012 14:57
anonymous

life is full of strange things, QDCLover

By anonymous• 16 Dec 2012 14:55
anonymous

HR strange but I agree with you as well on your last point. They should not be afraid of discussion and it is ignorance.

By Baburao-Ganpatrao-Apte• 16 Dec 2012 14:55
Baburao-Ganpatrao-Apte

Assuming there are 2 billion muslims,i love assumptions

By anonymous• 16 Dec 2012 14:53
anonymous

lotta rich oil syeds are marrying white women thus converting them too

By anonymous• 16 Dec 2012 14:52
anonymous

Yes

Threats, shut down, refuse to discuss...etc, these are all different faces of ignorance.

When you stand on solid grounds, and when you are holding one of the richest books of information in human history (the Quran), you should be eager to debate, discuss, provide logic & evidence, convince, and win.

By anonymous• 16 Dec 2012 14:49
anonymous

560602, whether it is the right religion is matter of opinion. Assuming there are 2 billion muslims, that leaves 5 billion that would disagree with you!

By anonymous• 16 Dec 2012 14:46
anonymous

BE very true and each has their own voice but unfortunatley debate for some is not allowed and threats are used to shut down such debates. This is not healthy for any society for people to live in fear, especially of those that are supposed to share the same beleifs as you

By 560602• 16 Dec 2012 14:45
560602

it is not matter to impress islam for marriage purpose.

but reality is Islam it is the right and last religion that Allah revealed to his Slaves.

we live to worship Allah, and we will get the rewards in hereafter.

and notice you to understand between Islam and Muslim.

Islam is the religion to the human and its a complete religion and can guide you what ever u want.

Muslim is the person/people who flow and believe the Islam religion.

So please learn Islam and Muslim as well. so then you will be out of the dark.

Allahu Akbar

By britexpat• 16 Dec 2012 14:44
britexpat

"Among the speakers invited to attend included Muslim scientists, imams who have promoted the compatibility of Islam and evolution as well as those who preach a form of Islamic creationism."

This shows that there are all sorts of Muslims. Same as any other religion.

By Baburao-Ganpatrao-Apte• 16 Dec 2012 14:40
Baburao-Ganpatrao-Apte

just now SA told People in Europe and in USA like to read so when some un pleasent things happen in the name of Islam

and QDC proved it :)

By anonymous• 16 Dec 2012 14:40
anonymous

YES, QDCLover...another case of ignorance.

Ignorance is the worst enemy of Islam

By anonymous• 16 Dec 2012 14:38
anonymous

well-said, both of you, SA & Babu

By anonymous• 16 Dec 2012 14:37
anonymous

and here is what drives people from Islam in Europe

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/debate-on-islam-and-evolution-has-to-be-called-off-after-revolt-by-student-societies-8418022.html

By Baburao-Ganpatrao-Apte• 16 Dec 2012 14:31
Baburao-Ganpatrao-Apte

Islam is not gaining people r gaining and following the right path

By Straight Arrow• 16 Dec 2012 14:30
Straight Arrow

People in Europe and in USA like to read so when some un pleasent things happen in the name of Islam, some European and American will start to read about Islam and will know the truth, and for those who are interested to clarify things related to the points discussed in this post they can try the following link

www.islamhouse.com

The above website has more than 40 languages

By anonymous• 16 Dec 2012 14:26
anonymous

You are right, SA

But still, it is nice to know that Islam is gaining more & more "white British women" :-)

By Straight Arrow• 16 Dec 2012 14:06
Straight Arrow

Guys at the end the one who knows what is in their heart and judge is God.

By GodFather.• 16 Dec 2012 13:21
GodFather.

The catholic also insist on this else you can not marry in a Catholic Church..:( Tony Blair is a good example..:)

By Baburao-Ganpatrao-Apte• 16 Dec 2012 13:21
Baburao-Ganpatrao-Apte

"Become a muslim "to marry someone and then enjoying a bacon sandwhich with me, drinking beer and not fasting during Ramadan lol cldnt he or she eat the same while in their own religion

By britexpat• 16 Dec 2012 13:19
britexpat

As you said, there are real coverts and fake converts.

I also know a professed Atheist who turned to prayer when things got a little tough in his life ...

It takes all sorts to make this world go round.

By anonymous• 16 Dec 2012 13:13
anonymous

It seems only the Jews and Muslims insist on conversion, it is not so prelevant in other faiths and a lot of it is pointless conversion.

Become a muslim to marry someone and then enjoying a bacon sandwhich with me, drinking beer and not fasting during Ramadan. Sometimes it seems just a numbers game so some religious figure can say we have more people in our club than in yours.

I understand why they do it, they feel in love and rather than alienate his or her side of the family they opt for the easy life.

Like I said I know others who converted because they wanted to so its not all fake conversions.

By Baburao-Ganpatrao-Apte• 16 Dec 2012 11:56
Baburao-Ganpatrao-Apte

they dont convert they revert to their original religion

By GodFather.• 16 Dec 2012 11:53
GodFather.

I second QDC on this one he is right, there are number of people (female in particular) who convert for the convenience rather than choice! But then its their choice anyway!

By Straight Arrow• 16 Dec 2012 11:41
Straight Arrow

So it is a personal choice

By anonymous• 16 Dec 2012 11:23
anonymous

You don't get my point. I know white British women that converted because they thought it was right for them. It's their choice. I also know a number who converted out of convienence due to marriage. The pressure usually comes from the husbands family that she has to be muslim to marry their son.

I also know many men that converted due to marriage but are as much practising muslims as I am.

By Straight Arrow• 16 Dec 2012 11:14
Straight Arrow

mean that the British women are Stubid?

I personally do not think so.

By anonymous• 16 Dec 2012 11:11
anonymous

QDCLover

I am not saying that there is any pressure involved.

I am simply saying:

A white British woman finds out that these muslim men are so decent and honest when it comes to relations and family issues that she becomes interested in them and in their religion so she decides to convert, becomes one of them, and marries one of them

By britexpat• 16 Dec 2012 11:11
britexpat

How does one convert due to "marriage of family based pressures" ?

By anonymous• 16 Dec 2012 10:51
anonymous

Yes it would be interesting to break it down to those that converted because of faith based reasons and those that converted due to marriage and family based pressures.

By anonymous• 16 Dec 2012 10:40
anonymous

is this an indication that white British women are finding out that men with Muslim background are more decent and secure ro be connected with, than white British men, and this is why they are converting in order to get married to the Muslims?

By Straight Arrow• 16 Dec 2012 10:35
Straight Arrow

Rise of convert Islam in Europe

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/getreligion/2007/09/the-rise-of-convert-islam-in-europe/

By Straight Arrow• 16 Dec 2012 10:32
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Straight Arrow

"The number of converts to Islam in the UK has nearly doubled in the last decade, with over half of them being white females, a new study has found.

The report by Kevin Brice of Swansea University shows that the number of people converting to Islam has risen from about 60,000 in 2001 to about 100,000 in 2010.

The publication, entitled A Minority within a Minority: A Report on Converts to Islam in the United Kingdom, was based on three surveys, one of which found 56 per cent of respondents to be white British and 62 per cent female.

Published on Tuesday on behalf of Faith Matters, a UK charity, the report stated that there have been 5,200 conversions to Islam in the last year alone."

source for full report:

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2011/01/201115141940879721.html

By Baburao-Ganpatrao-Apte• 16 Dec 2012 09:56
Baburao-Ganpatrao-Apte

lol tahsin ;)

By Baburao-Ganpatrao-Apte• 16 Dec 2012 09:05
Baburao-Ganpatrao-Apte

QDC u can keep on waiting then :)

By poachedeggs• 16 Dec 2012 01:09
poachedeggs

rofl

By adey• 13 Dec 2012 17:36
adey

Slave girl. Do Carrefore do them? Or are they cheaper in the souk?

By nomerci• 13 Dec 2012 17:05
nomerci

oh dear!

By 560602• 13 Dec 2012 16:54
560602

is the Cristianity bible accept the guy marriage?

do you thing guys is a marriage? not at all it is abusing humanitity and gender

so shame to hear that.

By anonymous• 13 Dec 2012 09:27
anonymous

tah I don't see my comment as funny, no child when conceived has a religion. It is only imposed later through indoctrination.

By GodFather.• 12 Dec 2012 19:26
GodFather.

Thanks for the clarification on Saffers Xena :) saying that there are more Saffa's in London than he middleast :) my neck of the woods in London they are plenty of Saffa shops :)

By Xena• 12 Dec 2012 15:24
Xena

will only marry a couple if they are both Saffers:-(

Nationalist pratts;-p

By britexpat• 12 Dec 2012 15:10
britexpat

Are Chinese classed as "whites" ?

By anonymous• 12 Dec 2012 15:02
anonymous

there is white, off-white, and yellow

By Baburao-Ganpatrao-Apte• 12 Dec 2012 14:59
Baburao-Ganpatrao-Apte

ROFL !

By anonymous• 12 Dec 2012 14:58
anonymous

Chinese

maybe you are color-blind

go to Lulu, Najada Market, Gold Souq, industrial area...etc and tell me about the colors you see

By Victory_278692• 12 Dec 2012 14:46
Victory_278692

so finally the invaders GOT invaded by foreignors and people from commonwealth English speaking countries :)

By anonymous• 12 Dec 2012 14:39
anonymous

middle east now has more whites than arabas

By Khanan• 12 Dec 2012 13:59
Khanan

every thread is predictable here on QL.

Just mention Religion, Gender, and orientation and bam it goes :)

minus some of the comments, quite interesting read!

By anonymous• 12 Dec 2012 13:58
anonymous

britexpat

clregymen will LOVE this legistlation....but the chior boys will be screwed

By GodFather.• 12 Dec 2012 13:58
GodFather.

Finally we Brits are Religious Through and Through even if we fail to admit it, We would be turned unpatriotic if we did not believe in our National Anthem "God Save the Queen..

By Miss Mimi• 12 Dec 2012 13:58
Miss Mimi

Isn't that the way it should be Uk?

By GodFather.• 12 Dec 2012 13:56
Rating: 2/5
GodFather.

Miss Mimi the face of UK is changing, I remember when I was in Primary School, we used to have Morning Prayer in the Assembly and we were never taught about any other religion, but now! there are no more kumbaya's (unless its a CoE school) in the morning and you get a day off for most religious holidays!

By nomerci• 12 Dec 2012 13:54
nomerci

Mimi, let's get out of here.Predictable, boring, uninformed and plain stupid.

By Baburao-Ganpatrao-Apte• 12 Dec 2012 13:53
Baburao-Ganpatrao-Apte

good news for the priest !

By Miss Mimi• 12 Dec 2012 13:52
Miss Mimi

Gays can only marry in a church if the church agrees. Otherwise they get married at a court.

By Miss Mimi• 12 Dec 2012 13:51
Miss Mimi

Hajji gay marriage isn't going to be passed in the UK for at least 18 more months.

By britexpat• 12 Dec 2012 13:51
britexpat

There are moves afoot to legalise Gay marriage in church..

By Baburao-Ganpatrao-Apte• 12 Dec 2012 13:51
Baburao-Ganpatrao-Apte

yes haji they follow Gayism and worship lady gaga

By anonymous• 12 Dec 2012 13:48
anonymous

Do gays in the UK, marry in a church?

Do they follow a disorganized religion?

By Miss Mimi• 12 Dec 2012 13:47
Miss Mimi

No idea, either way couldn't get married at any of those. I know South African doesn't.

By nomerci• 12 Dec 2012 13:47
nomerci

tahsinmim, before you continue to contribute to the thread and QL in general, you may want to resaerch the subject talked about first.....

By GodFather.• 12 Dec 2012 13:47
GodFather.

I know a Christian and Muslim Pinoy getting married in the Phil Embassy..:)

Plus Indian Embassy also holds Civil Ceremonies for their citizens and I think the German and French Embassy does the same as well as the American Embassy?

By britexpat• 12 Dec 2012 13:47
britexpat

and marriage :O(

By Miss Mimi• 12 Dec 2012 13:46
Miss Mimi

No one tahsinmim, atheists don't believe in sin.

By anonymous• 12 Dec 2012 13:46
anonymous

"Then who will pray for his sins"

I thought that athiests have no sins....no?

By Miss Mimi• 12 Dec 2012 13:46
Miss Mimi

So they're agnostic. Either way UK the world is moving away from organized religion.

By GodFather.• 12 Dec 2012 13:45
GodFather.

Miss Mimi most of the people who are classifying them as non-religious do not necessary say that they don't believe in God but they are just not bother to be religious!

By britexpat• 12 Dec 2012 13:43
britexpat

"Buried in the statistics, changing social mores were writ large. The number of married people fell below 50%; there were 400,000 more single parents and 504,000 extra cohabiting unmarried couples."

By Miss Mimi• 12 Dec 2012 13:43
Miss Mimi

The only places that will marry non-Muslims in Qatar UK are the British Embassy, the Anglican church and the Catholic church. Since neither of us are Catholic or British we were left with one option.

By GodFather.• 12 Dec 2012 13:43
GodFather.

Exactly NM, a colleague of mine father just past away in Hong Kong and the family has agreed to cremate him in HK and take his ashes back to the UK for the rest of the family. He was an active member of the church in HK.

By Miss Mimi• 12 Dec 2012 13:42
Miss Mimi

Never been to a funeral in a church UK. All the funeral's I've been to have been at funeral homes.

As for getting married in a church, there's loads of reasons atheists might choose to. They could be doing it to please there soon-to be spouse, parents, in-laws, or because it's the only place they can (like me).

It doesn't matter how many times an atheist goes to church, if they don't believe in God or the teachings of the religion, than they're atheist.

By GodFather.• 12 Dec 2012 13:41
GodFather.

Britexpat you plonker I was the groom not the Bride!

By nomerci• 12 Dec 2012 13:41
nomerci

UK, that's because graves are darn expensive!

To buy and to maintain.

By anonymous• 12 Dec 2012 13:40
anonymous

do athiests have temples? where they can sit and drink tea/karak and not worship anybody?

By GodFather.• 12 Dec 2012 13:40
GodFather.

Yes I second NM and more and more people are preferring to be Cremated (religious and non religious) and their ashes scattered in the Communal Burial Grounds!

By britexpat• 12 Dec 2012 13:39
britexpat

Did you wear white ?

By nomerci• 12 Dec 2012 13:39
nomerci

Tahsinmim, how is that different?

It just shows that people get married in a church for different reasons, religious and non religious.

By nomerci• 12 Dec 2012 13:38
nomerci

tahsinmim, a funeral for an atheist is performed with a non religious ritual. He gets buried on a government/communal burial ground.

By GodFather.• 12 Dec 2012 13:38
GodFather.

Miss Mimi its all to do with the colour of your passport and not having an Embassy here! But would the SA Embassy not marry you?

By GodFather.• 12 Dec 2012 13:36
GodFather.

I got married in a Civil Ceremony Miss Mimi..:) but had my wedding party in the Church Hall..:)

By nomerci• 12 Dec 2012 13:35
nomerci

tahsinmim, there is nothing strange about Miss Mimi's comment. For example, I lived in ?Saudi when I wanted to get married, Can't do it in Saudi unless one is Muslim, which I am not. The closest place was Dubai, but there one can get only married in church, not at a government office, like in , for example Europe.

So, I got married in church.

Or, people get married in church not to upset the family.

People do not have to be religious to get married in a church.

By GodFather.• 12 Dec 2012 13:34
GodFather.

I thing people don't want to classified as Religious now a days, else you have the Jehovah witness knocking on your door :-) but when in the time of grief (funeral) or Happiness (marriage and Christening) people still flock to the church. Brits also flock in numbers to Churches for remembrance ceremonies ?

But when asked on a piece of paper they prefer to be classified as atheists ?

By Baburao-Ganpatrao-Apte• 12 Dec 2012 13:32
Baburao-Ganpatrao-Apte

isnt this to be posted in religious teaching group

By britexpat• 12 Dec 2012 13:31
britexpat

So, it was a Shotgun wedding :O(

By Miss Mimi• 12 Dec 2012 13:30
Miss Mimi

You don't have to believe in religion to get married in a church. You could just like the church. Or you could have no other options. Like me :)

By anonymous• 12 Dec 2012 13:28
anonymous

well-said, UKEngQatar

By nomerci• 12 Dec 2012 13:27
nomerci

Classified as maybe, but personal opinion may differ.

By GodFather.• 12 Dec 2012 13:25
GodFather.

Cultural Traditions and Religious traditions are two different things, celebrating Saint Andrews Days, Saint Patrick's day and St Georges days is cultural..:) getting married in a church even though you never been there is classified as Religious!

By Miss Mimi• 12 Dec 2012 13:20
Miss Mimi

Just because you're atheist doesn't mean you can't take part in cultural traditions UK.

By GodFather.• 12 Dec 2012 13:16
GodFather.

Miss Mimi, Lets face it the census is saying that people are not associating themselves with religion and in the Census declared to be non-religious, but in reality they are still having church weddings and celebrating xmas's and Easter in masses..:)

By Miss Mimi• 12 Dec 2012 13:07
Miss Mimi

There will definitely be conversion, but I wonder how many of them are just for married harmony.

By Miss Mimi• 12 Dec 2012 13:04
Miss Mimi

I said Atheism isn't a religion.

However, as a belief (or lack their of) system, it's growing faster than any of the religions.

By Khanan• 12 Dec 2012 13:04
Khanan

I think it is both ways..Increase in immigirant population and conversion.

I agree that Atheism is on rise even in Muslim Society and countries.

By anonymous• 12 Dec 2012 13:02
anonymous

Every child is born an atheist but in religious families they are forced to follow their parents religion.

By GodFather.• 12 Dec 2012 13:02
GodFather.

Biggest Immigration population now is coming from Eastern Europe!

By Miss Mimi• 12 Dec 2012 12:58
Miss Mimi

Atheism isn't a religion.

Khanan, they don't say it's through conversion though, and given the rise in immigrants I would say it has more to do with that.

However, atheism, by this census, is growing far faster than any of the religions.

By Khanan• 12 Dec 2012 12:51
Khanan

and very thought pondering that Islam is the only religion is on rise.

Atheism in not a religion.

By Miss Mimi• 12 Dec 2012 12:43
Miss Mimi

Atheism or Islam?

By Miss Mimi• 12 Dec 2012 12:33
Miss Mimi

Muslims are still by far a minority compared to Christians and Atheists, and I know there was a campaign before the census to be honest regarding your religion.

By Yasir_Kh• 12 Dec 2012 12:33
Yasir_Kh

I believe there are more "Muslims by name" than the practicing Muslims, specially in Britain.

By britexpat• 12 Dec 2012 12:00
britexpat

Interesting reading. The daily Mail has been harping on about it.

the simple fact is that society is changing and becoming diverse. As far as religion is concerned, yes many are moving away from "practicing" Christianity. Having said that, i am sure that there are quite a few who are Muslims by name only. This is to be expected.

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