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Source ::: The Peninsula / by Mohamed Saeed
DOHA • Male lawyers in Qatar are opposed to women being appointed as judges and say if at all, they should be restricted to family courts.
A woman is emotionally and physiologically not geared to fit in the role of a judge since the job demands a balanced disposition, said Waleed Abu Nida, a lawyer.
Women are showing excellence in almost every field in Qatar and walking shoulder to shoulder with men, but dispensing justice is not their cup of tea. "It is entirely the male's domain," said Lawyer Mohsen Thiyab Al Suwaidi.
"We, however, support the idea of women judges in the family courts," he said. Women are physiologically not geared to be in a judge's role since their performance can be affected during menstrual cycle, pregnancy and delivery," argued Al Suwaidi.
The Peninsula was seeking the views of the legal fraternity on whether women should be appointed as judges in the Qatari courts after media reported yesterday the UAE had decided to have females in the profession, triggered a debate here.
According to Abu Nida, even if a woman is picked as a judge, her performance would be good for a limited period. "It's rare to have a female judge with a stable track record throughout her career," he said.
Isam Mehfooz, from Mohamed Nasser Fudala's Lawyer's Firm, said he was not opposed to women being inducted as judges but quickly referred to the family courts where he said he saw a more important role for them.
As for criminal courts, Mehfooz said he didn't think that would be the kind of court where a female would be able to fit in as a judge.
"I think there are enough signs here indicating that women may soon begin entering the judicial profession. The number of women lawyers is increasing and, recently, a female has been picked as a Public Prosecutor," said Mehfooz.
Having women as judges in the Arab world is not a new development, according to Abu Nida. "Five months ago, a woman was appointed a judge in Egypt," he said. "But they shouldn't be. They are emotionally disposed which can be disadvantageous for a judge's job," argued Abu Nida.
Historically, all religions in the world are opposed to having females as judges, he said.
There are verses in the Holy Quran and some Hadith (Traditions of the Prophet-PBUH) against women being appointed as judges, Al Suwaidi said.
But a woman lawyer, who asked not to be named, was highly critical of her male counterparts and said their opinion that females should not be allowed to become judges was biased.
"A judge has to base his or her decision on points of law and evidence, so where is the question of emotion and physiology being involved in it. There is no reason why we can't become judges," she said.
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Source: The Times
A senior sales executive who was told by her employer that she would be “useless” after she became pregnant could receive up to £200,000 after winning her sex discrimination claim.
Louise Manning was told that she would “never be the same again” after her boss learnt that she was expecting her first child. He later sent her a memo saying: “Feel betrayed . . . Tempted to dismiss and take the consequences.”
The level of damages will not be set until next month, when the tribunal in Ashford, Kent, will also hear a separate claim that she was a victim of constructive dismissal. Mrs Manning, from Chelmsford, Essex, said after the hearing: “This has stymied my career. I found myself in a position where I had to resign. There was no way I could go back to work.”
Before she became pregnant, Mrs Manning was earning £55,000 a year at Safetell, a supplier of security systems based in Dartford, Kent.
In its judgment, released last week, the tribunal found the firm and its managing director, Nick Medlam, guilty of 24 instances of sex discrimination. It ruled: “It is not often, these days, that the tribunal is faced with such a blatant response to notification of pregnancy.”
The company denies Mrs Manning’s claim of constructive dismissal.
BOTH SHOW SEXISM IS ALIVE AND WELL IN BOTH CULTURES; ONLY THE OUTCOMES ARE DIFFERENT
Throughout this thread, posters mentioned about intelligence and compassion/emotion between men and women. What about "insight", "perception", or "intuiton" -- almost sixth-sense. Many women have this gift or "radar" that men don't have. Women can "smell" a deceptive person while a man is thinking "He's a cool guy!" This mostly deals with rational stuff but also with a beyond the rational senses. I'm convinced that many women have this ability (or "gift"). My wife has it in a big way. She's always coming up with predictions or reasons to do this or that or to trust him or her (based on her "gift of perception").
If more lawyears or judges ahd this ability, justice would be served. If more women have more of this ability...........need I say more!
Throughout this thread, posters mentioned about intelligence and compassion/emotion between men and women. What about "insight", "perception", or "intuiton" -- almost sixth-sense. Many women have this gift or "radar" that men don't have. Women can "smell" a deceptive person while a man is thinking "He's a cool guy!" This mostly deals with rational stuff but also with a beyond the rational senses. I'm convinced that many women have this ability (or "gift"). My wife has it in a big way. She's always coming up with predictions or reasons to do this or that or to trust him or her (based on her "gift of perception").
If more lawyears or judges ahd this ability, justice would be served. If more women have more of this ability...........need I say more!
Throughout this thread, posters mentioned about intelligence and compassion/emotion between men and women. What about "insight", "perception", or "intuiton" -- almost sixth-sense. Many women have this gift or "radar" that men don't have. Women can "smell" a deceptive person while a man is thinking "He's a cool guy!" This mostly deals with rational stuff but also with a beyond the rational senses. I'm convinced that many women have this ability (or "gift"). My wife has it in a big way. She's always coming up with predictions or reasons to do this or that or to trust him or her (based on her "gift of perception").
If more lawyears or judges ahd this ability, justice would be served. If more women have more of this ability...........need I say more!
'Aghati..I think you misread what Corne asked.. ...
she asked "same reason alot of men don't date intelligent, independent, successful women ? Because they're afraid and insecure. "
You answered it as if she's asked why men DO date intelligent women..'
hi scarlett i like 2 mek corect:
i answer 'not at all cornellian' 4 da abuv qwestion meaning 'not at all i/we da men hapy 2 det da clever woman'
lot men enjoy da bren clever woman but wer 2 find?
more legitimacy to the fact that women are NOT complete idiots..as some might think..
What do bulletproof vests, fire escapes, windshield wipers and laser printers have in common?
All were invented by women. Along with White Out, post it notes and many other things used in everyday life. Guess all those hormones are good for something...wonder if they were invented during our PMS modes...since we can't think clearly during that time...ahem...
'Where in Quran does it say women are not complete in the brain?'
sory pm iz hadeeth by profet not da quran. my mistek
but in da quran (surat baqara) iz say: must 2 bring 2 man witnes, if not avelabl den 1 man witnes & 2 woman witnes so if 1 woman 2 forget sumting oder woman 2 remind her
(mybe iz wizdum in dat?)
not the first time that I've heard comments coming from the Qatari judicial system which indicates mind boggling inadequacy. As it is, I suppose their insecurity must be giving them sleepless nights... without having to worry about the fairer sex taking over their jobs!
qatari, I'm a fan of Sheikha Mozah, but having an official title of "consort" is never likely to inspire women into the professions, is it?
Now consider that Sheikha Mouzha plays such a big leadership role in the country. What would be really exciting would be if she called up all those lawyers to her office and say 'so tell me why women can't do the job'?
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Something tells me that this gender fight is agenda of politicians. They were done with dividing land/religion....
Well well well
Stop shouting you guys and gals.
This fight of which gender is better was always heppening and still is. In future also this fight will keep on going but the fact is one is useless (Yes USELESS) without the other.
SO, lets love each other and love a lot... LOL
I mean love not make love.
As for the female judge.... who knows what happened to her
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she asked "same reason alot of men don't date intelligent, independent, successful women ? Because they're afraid and insecure. "
You answered it as if she's asked why men DO date intelligent women..but you are correct in what you said..the brain is the largest sex organ in the body...(ok brain being the one in your skull, guys!)
Corne...I agree with the dumb acting women being disgusting. Had a niece who was super intelligent but she would put on this stupid blonde act (she was beautiful also!), because she got the same reaction you did from guys...that they were afraid the woman would be more intelligent than they were...Just to hear her voice and what she said would make me stare at her in disbelief..it was like she was a split personality!! She graduated with honors from a major university, in engineering...go figure...
Oh it just makes me sick when I see a girl acting stupid so the guy would like her!!
I'm not always right, but I'm never wrong -Garfield
Nope, we're not taking about all men and women, we're talking about the insecure men. For example, a guy liked me but didn't want to date me cause I'm a med student and he said that I'm too smart and too independent and will eventually earn more than him. And he was right, I'm too smart and good for an A**hole like that :D
I'm not always right, but I'm never wrong -Garfield
not at all cornellian, mybe da best seduce da woman 2 mek 4 me is da bren seduce. tiz gret 2 injoy company of da clever woman 2 hav da clever tok & discuss & 2 xchng vew & 2 consdr da gud advic frm dis woman-partnr
(f'cors she also sexy, not problem)
I'm sure you've seen that..
date them because they don't like them. So does that mean all women that go out with men are dumber than the man?
it is...the competition, or what they FEEL is the competition is too much for their egos. BUT...when you find a confident man who can have an intelligent conversation with you and be proud that YOU can have an intelligent conversation with anyone...he's a keeper!!
On Madame Curie...I know..but look at the history books and see how many people died due to the radiation when they were trying to figure out its properties and benefits. We have to thank them for their selflessness or we'd never have things like x-rays or chemotherapy.
Sucks though that she died because of what she loved most. She used to carry around the radioactive test tubes in her pocket and stored them in her desk drawers, and ended up dying because of too much exposure.
Anyways, back to the topic, Scarlett, isn't the same reason alot of men don't date intelligent, independent, successful women ? Because they're afraid and insecure.
I'm not always right, but I'm never wrong -Garfield
and things, they are a changing...young women have to get past thinking that men are only attracted to not very intelligent women..That's been a big hurdle for years...Again..the fear factor...intelligent women= making certain men feel unintelligent.
charan..you silly, you...but..you know..curry DOES sound good right now...nice hot spicy one to warm up on this cold night...with a yogurt lassi..yummmmmmmmm
hop so scarlett..hop so
yes I big fan of madam curie...she genus in kemistry-fisics (mybe plotonium or radium...not remembr gud)
Scarlet - Curie or Curry (Indian):)
you forget...women have been repressed for generations...and that includes education...that's changing and I can almost guarantee that women will be coming into their own as the education levels are equal.
BUT, one of the early Nobel winners WAS a woman...Madame Curie..
no swis i sory if u 2 tek dis in person. i not mean bad 4 u. i say 'only da stupd 2 C old joks as stupd' i tok in da general not u
scarlett dis all just joks..i sure woman smarter dan man...dis Y most da nobel priziz go 2 da woman evry yr
you name me a stupid?do you know me?have you ever talked to me?you must be a genious.wow.so a stupid like me ofcourse has not the right to talk to a genious like you.forgive me please.will not disturb you again.
looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooll
silly that a guy just did...
run into them !!
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sharp knives she carries with her...but those cushions are useless, I say..totally useless..
'woman are just smarter'
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Oh I'd start running if I were Paul...as far far away as possible ;)
I'm not always right, but I'm never wrong -Garfield
swis no prob wen bring old jok but only da stupd ppl C old jok as stupd
*hides behind cushions*
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It's like u guys said, it's all about a few egotistic chauvinistic men scared that women would do a better job and kick their butts :P
I'm not always right, but I'm never wrong -Garfield
skinned, gutted and filleted before you knew what hit you...but do it with a smile and logically..
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and we can temper our judgements with compassion also.
and that kind of stuff still makes me furious. Wonder what she did that being pregnant made her useless??? Most women work up until the day they deliver. In fact..right before delivery, you get so much done because you are doing what is called "nesting"..where you take everything out that is in disarray and re assemble it in a neat organized manner...
Bring it on i say...LOL
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I think sexual discrimination should be illegal, because ur basing stuff on the persons gender rather than abilities, which isn't right.
As for will it take Qatar 30 to 40 years ? I think it's going to take much less, cause of the huge educational movement happening in the country.
I'm not always right, but I'm never wrong -Garfield
woman are just smarter.
;-)))
women can THINK with their brain...amazing...
are learning our secret...
Actually...for most women we can feel it, the PMS coming on...I just always told my family...you MIGHT want to stay out of my way today...and they did...smart family...
come with something better,please
mr.paul
'Women are magic creatures, they get wet without water, bleed without being injured, give milk without eating grass and they make boneless meat ROCK HARD'
you are spelling it like its usually written on bathroom walls...the way you meant it starts with w...hore...
Teaching school..one day had a student that got really upset with me...so call me...you guessed it! a hoe...the other students just gasped and stared at me, who started laughing...then they said Ms. X, she called you a HOE!!! So I told them, when she learns to correctly pronunciate and spell the word, w*hore, then I will get upset..but for right now, she called me a garden tool...
Scarlett my little nest of vipers.
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Anyone have an opinion on the second part? ie sexual discrimination being illegal?
£200,000 ($400,000) fine for sending a memo suggesting that the woman could not do her job properly because she became pregnant. The attitude displayed in the 1st part is like that prevalent in the UK in the 60s and early 70s, it took the Womens Movement and changes in legislation to arrive where it is today. Is the same thing possible in Qatar in 30 or 40 years time?
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
grrrrrrr....corne...innocent or stupid?..two different description...PM me or i will forever bug you...
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tiz ok adey :-)
mybe iz rong 2 mek da woman juj but dis only my opinion & mybe i rong
that long just to irritate you guys....haven't you learned that yet?
ditch the pom poms and get up on my soapbox with me...let's do some telling it like it is, hon!!!
Just recently..as recently as 1970, women were fighting for their rights to work and be paid the same pay as a man who did the exact same job. It was a very long and hard fought battle...and to this day, even some of the jobs STILL don't pay what they should..called a glass ceiling, for women. Looks good on paper, and that's about it. Men said that women couldn't do traditional "men" jobs, such as CEO, firefighters, police officer, electrical line repair, etc...but it was shown and continues to be proven that we can and often, do a much better and more through job of it than the men. Taking over a traditional male job tends to scare the pants (sorry for the pun!) off those men who are insecure about themselves or KNOW they aren't doing the job as well as it should be done...so therefore they insist women aren't qualified to do certain occupations. So..its basically fear...
Once a month !!! And how can you women bleed for a week and not die ??? Thats what worries me !!!!!!!!
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That word is another word for wee-ing !!
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i am fine,thx.how about you?well i will pm you about "why" when i have more time because it is a longer story.
:-)
isnt't that what gets ya in trouble in the first place?
Hell yeah Scarlett, u tell him girl! *cheers her on with the pomp pomps*
Oh owen, ur too innocent lol.
It's such a stereotype that all women will be ultimately influenced by their emotions and won't think straight. That's not true. I've met plenty of women who are more capable then any man. PMSing doesn't mean the woman will become a complete emo queen, I for one, am not affected by it at all and I'm sure there are women like that as well. But the judge rules by the evidence provided and the proof given rather than the emotions, so if a woman works according to that logic, why wouldn't she be able to accomplish the job ?
I'm not always right, but I'm never wrong -Garfield
SG: how r u
& why / when / where did u go to a court ?
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Mr.Paul
The lips thing should come in funnies... not here
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she did a great job and i was really happy to talk to her about my problems.was easier then to talk to a man.
:-)
Thats ok Aghati, I'm just joking around :)
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
sorry MR. Paul..but i didn't get the "P***" part on your comment...
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one, the small one, to think with, and two, the large one to hang a hat upon.
And we all know why women have two sets of lips..............So they can P*** and moan at the same time !! LOL
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SKDKAK...for the most part females can handle themselves in a very level manner even during PMS...However...I do like the bumpersticker back home that stated..
I'm PMSing and I have a gun..MOVE OUT OF MY WAY!!!!
Seriously tho..that will have no effect on doing her job as judge.
i not ker 2 convins u adey...i just 2 giv new poin of vew 4 da ppl 2 C & 2 do dicuss
i not 2 say i suport dis poin of vew
with Dr Phil...
Qatari-princess...you'd be surprised what women can bear and not get all whimpering and simpering, if given the chance. And, its NOT nature..that's considered nurture..how they are brought up to believe they SHOULD act. Women can be VERY strong willed and extremely logical in the way they think and act...Again..given the chance...
What abt Men-mensura***n... sheeeeee
Man is basically a dirty creature.....
No No No.. I am v v v v v clean.
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U made me laugh loud in office with ur water mellon thing.
I for one would have fainted long before it would protrude out between my legs.
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But then again..you know its medically proven women have a higher pain threshold than men..we can give birth in the field, squatting down and then get back up and finish hoeing the row we were on...(thank goodness someone decided to invent hospitals, tho!!!)
I disagree that a woman can be in the position of a judge, it's kind of awkward yet there are some restrictions, has anyone seen
JUDGE JUDY??
or whatever she's called, she's one tough judge, i have to admit,,but here in the Gulf, it's different, a woman can never bear the sudden emotions, shocking decisions and accusing during the day...it's nature!!!!!!
Yet a man on the other hand is capable of such things..my dad's a lawyer, and he himself wouldn't agree either..
Like daughter, like father..or is it the other way round???
Got to admire how Aghati cuts straight to the chase with:
'woman not complet in da brain'
He's got me convinced!!! :P
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
Well women in general are not put in those kind of powerful chairs due to certain basic reasons. (its a world over scenario and not particular to ME).
* She is most of the times honest (i mean no under the table cash exchanges)
* U cannot manipulate her the way one can do to a male member
* She is more practical in giving verdicts.. means a rape case will not most of the times make a victim prove her innocence and the culprit is happy digging the victims past and what not.
Now come back to ME:
If she does not conduct a fair hearing.. she is gonna get not a slight lash but a good number of lashes from her hubby.LOL
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Scarlett, I had the funniest mental image when I read this of a woman judge banging the gavel, saying "Excuse me a second I have to give birth" Then continuing on afterwards like nothing happened. :P
"How come I can pick my ears but not my nose? Who made up that rule anyway? How come you say that's the way it is, that's just the way it goes, maybe you should decide for yourself what you can do and what you can say." Ani Difranco
after childbirth and I believe its even more over here. That is MORE than enough time to regulate the hormones after childbirth.
Saying that women are not physically capable (or mentally capable) of being a judge is absolutely ludicrious.Mosts likely its a feeling of their territory being invaded by females, that is the problem. Its a tough issue for males to handle as seen everywhere..We had the same issues in the States many years ago..but perserverance and intelligence prevailed and now we have many very good judges and lawyers who are females.
sed in quran:'woman not complet in da brain/mind & in da religon' so if da mel lawyr 2 folo quran, den natural he 2 object 2 woman juj
"their performance can be affected during menstrual cycle, pregnancy and delivery,"
Ummm ya a woman's performance would be effected during delivery, you try doing a job whilst pushing a watermelon out between your legs. :P Persumably this twit meant AFTER delivery, and if he didn't (or even if he did) it shows you don't have to be smart to be a judge in Qatar so I don't see why you'd have to be emotionally stable. :P
"How come I can pick my ears but not my nose? Who made up that rule anyway? How come you say that's the way it is, that's just the way it goes, maybe you should decide for yourself what you can do and what you can say." Ani Difranco