When I was working with the saudi Armed Forces, they negotiated a deal to buy diesel subs from Germany. Then someone realised that a sub is not much use in the shallow and clear waters of the Gulf :O)

"if Iran becomes nuclear, Saudi Arabia will be provided with some nuclear warheads from Pakistan," Shteinitz said."Pk has become a nuclear country 13 years ago which tested its first nuclear weapon on May 1998, so we can assume that secretly it is now supplying to .......http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/saudi/index.html

They already got  alot of british and american tanks in stock

add more to this... i really wanted to know if KSA is trying to acquire NW from Pk and Ir and/or has it already. 

The German Parliament is currently debating an arms deal of 250 Leopard tanks to Saudi Arabia. The opposition claims that the constitution doesn't allow weapon sales to countries that suppress their own people. I am curious who will win. The business lobby or the custodians of the constitution.

 The key players need a final and amicable solution to the current problems; it is a satisfactory agreement between the Israelis and the Palestinians. Once that is solving, then we could negotiate a deal to stop this future agenda. For know my crystal ball is foggy, the future is not predictable in favour of nothing prosperous.

Wiseman we need to ponder neutral and council with outmost care.

To persuade successfully the Saudis for a change of attitude, few things need to be consider.

so should Saudi follow America's lead and adopt the pre-emptive strike doctrine and attack Israel first ?

Oh wise one , who knows intimately the inner workings of the USA and its agencies.  Do you really beleive that the Saudis would be allowed to develop such a weapon ?

 Do you think the Israelis will stand still, if the SAUDI DEVELOPS nuclear plants?

I don’t think they will like the idea of someone developing nuclear plants with the purpose of nuclear bombs at their footsteps. I’ll Guarantee you they will retaliate in any form or shape. Read the history of Israelis retaliating against other nations (Syria and Iraq) and sending those nuclear facilities to oblivion.

So that explains it.  

but inside ther territory which is inside KSA! And in their control.  That's business! And a very large business.

For an increasing number of courses in Australia, by the time you finish you will be in debt in excess of $100,000. Thats your first mortgage. Now try and buy house

The West will not tolerate a nuclear Saudi Arabia. With the Arab Spring, the Iran issue has been on a backburner for the public. These comments along with the new warrants in Lebanon are designed purely to get Iran back in the public eye and portray it as the bogey man of the region.. nothing else..

Thank goodness you are here xoxo - thankyou for bringing back the topic :-)

So shutting up now- will get a telling off from the Mods x

the so called "war on terror" allows it and anyway who will stop them? Debt ridden USA/UK?? 

There you have said it -They all bloody get into a University even when they are not 'fit' to get into one.Why?Kids going to University cut the unemployed numbers by half.People in the UK leaving University and getting a mortgage!??Are you having a laugh?They spend 4 to5 years paying of debts and the first house they can afford i this current market is a 2 up 2 down at 120,000 quid. Which is 720,000 QR.You do the math.   

we will see where this movement leads to, just like in the middle east, once they realise that protesting and slogans just wont cut it. Will they be prepared to join the working class and occupy corporate facilities and take over factories and means of production.  If you realise you have no future - what do you have to lose???

You are all missing the point. Saudi knows that its "Allies" would never let it have nuclear weapons. It is upping the ante on behalf of its guardian and trying to stir things up.

you graduate from university (if you can get in) with a mortgage around your neck. And then you realise - your prospects for work are poor. Extremely poor and you live a life of perpetual debt. The penny drops - so this is how the system enslaves me. 

These young were toddlers when this crisis began - they know very little of the history. This has been decades in the making.  

I disagree - those are the words from older people telling the young what is ahead.I am NOT saying the young are stupid - they are not. But those banners say what the 'elders' say. 

homemade banners seen in the Spainish movement.-The streets are ours. We will not pay for their crisis”-“Nationalisation of the Banks”, “-Violence is to get paid 600 euros a month” -“Without police and without wealth-“They don’t, they don’t, they don’t represent us!”, “-They say this is democracy but it’s not”-“We will not pay for the crisis”.-“The only violence comes from the system”,  the youth of today are more politically, socially and environmentally conscious of the world they live in than of any youth in the last 30 years. 

The Youth are protesting - that I agree - but they are protesting against things that are 'covered' not the bigger picture.They worry about top up fees - yeah right - the parents are footing the bills for them lolThey do not have a clue about what happens when they leave Uni at all. 

it is the youth that have orgnaised the protests in Spain not against the govt, not for the opposition, but against the system, just as the did in France in 1968. It is the student movt in UK, and greece that maintains the rage for the very reason you have given - no future. Cabbage - we work like dogs till we drop, but no matter how hard we work, we realise that our children have no hope. This life is insanity. This is the good fight. 

We don't trust Africa and have every reason not too - however, the 'world' at this moment trusts nobody.The youth in Europe have not woken up to it all - they will do when they try and get a job and a home.It is the late 20 year olds and early 30's that are feeling the pinch at this moment.My children who are 20, 18, 15 and 13 - they are the ones that do not have a hope in *ell.Hence why my husband and I work our skinny a*ses off and save all we can.

they dont trust them in africa. They dont trust them in Sth America. And the youth Europe are waking up the their "leaders double speak. 

As I said before - why would anybody now trust the West with anything in this part of the world. Our 'word' means very little as we have *ocked up.

I am no supporter of the reactionary elites that run Iran.But having said that, the West has not produced any evidence that elections were rigged or that weapons are being produced. 

Zeitgiest  - Dont believe the Iranians too much. They are a bunch of liars.  They wanted and advocated democracy, freedom and free elections in Bahrain but they did not allow the same to their people and instead organized rigged elections and then went about beating and killing  their own people in the name of law and order.

Indeed it is. Particularly when they have over stated their current oil reserves by 40 %. 16 nuclear power plants by 2030. My my - those gas fields owned by Qatar are looking mighty  tempting. 

which is consistent with their call for a nuclear free zone. Do you support this?

I doubt it's for economical reasons.

its not political or religious . The coming of another regional power - its for economic reasons

There is the rub- if Israel has got them - watch out the rest of us :-(SA does not do 'guilt'.

As I said up there -Iran has always said it want’s nuclear energy to run power plants and nothing else.Read more: http://www.qatarliving.com/node/1927456#ixzz1Qn7428DgPower plants - weapons - two different beasts.

Israel has kept others guessing for long but by now everyone knows they have nuclear war heads too. I don't understand why SA feels so threatened by Iran than any other country.

Is the country feeling guilty for what it has done to the shiite protesters in bahrain and now fearing repurcussions?

"Would the rest of the world allow such a volatile region to be armed to the hilt?"So why does the west reject Iran's proposed UN treaty to ban nuclear weapons in this region?

First off - I doubt very much even with all rhetoric now and before - Saudi has the wither all to produce nuclear weapons. The one thing about nuclear weapons IMHO - at least it makes people negotiate a bit more. Would the rest of the world allow such a volatile region to be armed to the hilt? I very much doubt it. Who wants to see an increase in nuclear weapons anyway? Iran has always said it want’s nuclear energy to run power plants and nothing else. I would not trust us the West at all when it comes to accusing any country of what they have or may not have. Look at the farce with Saddam Hussein. I take this as I do my chips – with more than a pinch of salt :-)  

We have already reach the summit and rapidly coming down the other side. We have well and truly hit PEAK OIL.

Iran has called for the middle east to be a nuclear free zone. Do you agree with them?

With Nuclear Weapons they won't have to do a lot :-)

200 years , a long period to think about, when the Oil will vanish.

Abu American - You are so right. Just wondering what they will be upto when the wells run dry. I suppose then they will be running to countries like Indonesia and others citing historical and cultural relationships and the maids might someday come back to haunt them in their sleep

Instead of developing and getting nuclear weapons they should dvelop their countries and bring democracy, human rights  and freedom to their people. It was not nuclear weapons that did away with the despots in Egypt and Tunisia and its not nuclear weapons that will throw out the tyrants in Iran, Yemen, Libya, Syria and others but its the local people who have been repressed and suppressed for too long.

soon then qatar gonna say, Saudia have nuclear weapon, so we need it also..but as far as i think, if Iran have nuclear weapon, then Saudi should get also.. or we will help them, no problem at all ;-)

cabbagehow U doing?

maybe, not all in the hierarchy knows it, but ..........

I doubt whether they have it already and that they'd be allowed to have it even if they wanted it..

www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/saudi/index.htmlI don't think this is new 'news'.I suspect it has been on the cards for quite some time.

I don't know what happened - I posted the link and all that came up with it lol

their own?  They can practically buy it from their "friends"!  Or is it safe to presume they have it already?

 Politics and games within games.. This is just the start of the disinformation war :O)

GoodCan't they simply say, We will develop our nuke facilities, just because we want it?

Its not about the nations , its all about the religious differences

I believe they are not to be ignored by anyone...period. And yes there are reasons as to why the govt. of Saudi in particular, consider Iran a threat..But not everyone would comprehend this.

 Is Iran really the bogey-man that it is bing made out to be ? Is Saudi making these noises at the behest of others ?Whilst Iran and Saudi have issues with religion, they have never been willing to go to war or escalate hostilities.

I think Saudis have lost the plot. If Turki Al Faisal was to follow the steps of his great father and actually realise the real demon in the middleast which already exists rather than drying to create one!

But Prince Turki al-Faisal is totally right...the threat of Iran is just too great and the Arab nation will have to be prepared! 

 There is another way to look at this also. Saudi Arabia having nuclear weapons will not only be a boost for the Western Arms industry (Russia icluded), but will also take some of the focus away from Israel... 

I suppose it was just a matter of time before the global arms race reached this neck of the woods!...the Saudis do have a point,Iran can't exactly be considered a "friendly neighbour" even without nuclear weapons,so really Washington & Nato should do what it takes to stop Iran if they don't want to trigger an arms race but they'll probably try & take the easy way out & put pressure on their "Gulf Arab friends" not to get into an arms race...which the "friends" will (& should!) refuse & they can point to this statement & say,"we did warn you."...good on them,with the Saudis on this one...Iran has a way too millitant & fundamentalist regime to be armed with nuclear weapons...