India investigating Christian deportations
This is from this morning's Peninsula.
The Indian embassy said yesterday it was in touch with the local authorities over the issue of alleged deportation of some Indian nationals.
But the number of deportees and the reasons for which they have been asked to leave the country remain unconfirmed, Sanjeev Kohli, Minister at the Embassy, told an open house held at the mission premises here yesterday.
Although the article never mentions it, so that you're left thinking "Wha?" at the end of it, it seems likely that the Indians are worried about recent Christian deportations, discussed on QL here.
There is news that there have been more deportations recently of many Christian families from Qatar. Maybe some Islamic Countries need to do unto others like they would like THEM to be done unto. While we Muslims need all the freedom in other countries we are not ready to give the same freedom to others. We fight for the rights to build a mosque (and rightly so) at ground Zero... but we deport Christians when they meet in their homes... Shame on us!!
Oh i see.. Now I got you.. and I will be the last person to continue on this , I mean if you believe that ''some believe after finding it'' .. sorry
didnt know you are one among those who look for them.. Good luck :)
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Arien - "Why should people try and convert, we all have born in one or the other religion, again not by choice. "
- Not true. Some believe after finding it.
"... only the followers are the problem makers.. just practice which you belong to and live peacefully, respecting others.."
- Precisely. People should state their views and leave it be for others to think about and understand more. But there are some people who will not only state their views but try to shove them down other people's throats. That's a no no.
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Cristy.. I wouldnt be knowing why they didnt responded then and why they did now. I just know the reason why it had happend now.
Why should people try and convert, we all have born in one or the other religion, again not by choice. All religions are good too , only the followers are the problem makers.. just practice which you belong to and live peacefully, respecting others.. cheers
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Proselytism is the practice of attempting to convert people to another opinion and, particularly, another religion........At least thats wot i think it is..If so I would think that no religion or group would refuse anybody wanting to join up!!!.....But seriously thereis still continuing debates about the legality & morality of this issue and I dont think its evr going to end ..the debate I mean!!
P.S I heard that Zoroastrianism is one religion that does not accept converts!! abe
FYI, please look up "Proselatizing".
If you read into it, one of the religions thet does not believe in proselitizing is infact Islam.???
The news paper link does not mention anything about Christians being deported.
Christy,keep posting.Nice to hear the realities.
"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach
Possibly True, but there is a danger of offshoots sprouting up, which may cause divisions and problems within the community.
"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach
"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach
The government is probably "nervous" about various Christian sects popping up. They would rather just support the recognized denominations.
No Hindus?
"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach
The two issues are related. The question at the open-house meeting was about the deportation of Indian Christians, but it's obviously a touchy subject, because that wasn't mentioned in the Peninsula article.
Add a little link to another QL topic that doesn't rhyme with the article...BAM! Enough to shake your head in confusion.
"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach
"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach
Welcome, cristy, and keep on postin'!
Mandi
B2D, definitely. Whatever's important, wherever there's a will, there's always a way. ;-)
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all these are hearsay...!!! nobodys knows for certain the rumors are true/...
Indian embassy has not questioned the deportations and as you said they REQUESTED THE QATARI AUTHORITIES abt the Dos and Donts.Well thats just a polite way of enquiring about the issue.Being in diplomatic circles for the past 20 years is enough for me to understand what it means.
Now regarding the second issue you told, that the riots in Orissa were a reaction to the conversion efforts,there have been conversions in India before also but no riots were heard of as such.For eg:
1)Nagpur:- The Ist and the biggest mass conversion which the country has ever witnessed, took placed on the 14th day of October 1956. Place Nagpur, Maharashtra, the city where the headquarter of Rastriya Swayamsewak Sangh is situated. About a half a million Dalits said good bye to Hinduism from their life and embraced Budhism under the leadership of the greatest social reformer, the great visionary and the prophet of Dalit emancipation Dr. B.R. Ambedkar.
2) Meenakshipuram:- The significant event of religious conversion took place on Feb 19th 1981 at Meenakshipuram of Kanyakumari District in Tamil Nadu. Where 280 families got converted to Islam. All of these 280 families cited social reasons behind their conversion. These reasons were persecution, ill treatment and humiliation they constantly had to face at the hands of upper caste of Hindus which made their lives miserable and worst than animals.
3) Dulina :- Another significant even t of religious conversion which created a lot of hue and cry in the society took place at Gurgaon, Haryana 2002. This all had happened after a very pathetic incident of burning Five Dalits Alive by a mob of upper caste people in a police station at Dulina in Jhajjar District in Haryana. Police remain silent spectator. Now nothing was left for the families of these massacred Dalits to remain in such a violent and hatred preaching system of faith, where in Dalit have no place. All the five families of massacred Dalits got converted in to Buddhism at Rabidas Mandir, Gurgaon, Haryana on 28th October 2002 under the banner of All India Confederation of SC/ST organization and the Lord Buddha club in the presence of famous film director, All India Christian Council , Jamait Ulma-I Hind and in the presence of Media Persons.
So why target Christians now?
You say ...
"The reason is a practical one - for people who live too far away from the centres and/or have transport problems. So it's good to be able to gather and worship together, pray and support each other, closer to home "
AND
"The problem here are the poor and the bachelors"
But surely the poorest bachelors are in the industrial area, which is only a short walk from the church???
If I can walk 90 minutes to get to the Rugby club - my 'church' - then surely they can walk to theirs???
Did you Google it first?
There are over 430,000 Indians in Qatar and they are known as a peace-loving and highly disciplined community. “Let us keep this image intact,” he said.
Really! Really! Really!
No one knows whats the truth..
If its true that they tried to convert, they shoul dbe deported and banned entry for life I would say...
I agree with eaglemmanuel..
Cristy - your points , first of all Indian embassy has not questioned the action for your info, wher as they have REQUESTED THE QATARI AUTHORITIES for an advisory on the Dos and Donts..
The Indian issue is again were reactions to conversion efforts. None has the rights to convert any, whchever the religion may be.
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at any rate whatever the outcome of their investigation fair enough that they will not condemned this country for the few people that suffers... this is life you need to be a survivor otherwise you will be eaten alive....
For the enlightening comment that views are accepted based on the number of userpoints and not on facts! I didnt mean any offense to anyone, the post i am in right now allows me to know these issues.Just because im from another religion does not mean i have to say bad about the religion and law here.Anyway, expecting more mature comments!
.... many religions but only one god ...
Thanks, Cristy999.
"It was also becuase of missionary work to convert muslims to christians."
- Aaahh.. I thought so .. that there was something more to the story.
/On one hand, some people (not referring to expatin or anyone else in particular) believe the Great Commission overrides a country's laws because God is greater. But they are forgetting that God put the country's leaders where they are. So, it stands to reason that they think that God is wrong. Hmmmm...but God's Will be done, not man's.
//To those who are up in arms about what I said - pls refer to para 3 of my 1st post above.
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It is true that some Indians have been deported, and few months back,some Africans too.It was not only because of private religious gatherings, it was also becuase of missionary work to convert muslims to christians.My advise to these people is, practise your faith , no problem, but dont break the law of the land.
In this country, plenty of non-muslims are put in high posts in various companies.They enjoy all rights and previlages.Few months back, even i recieved a video clip from a south Indian christian friend of mine, showing how a muslim girl named fatima had converted to christianity and is praising the lord in a public gathering.Well, i advised him to stop circulating it! The country where i come from, The United States of America, is witnessing an unprecedented and unbeleivable rate of conversions to Islam.The same happens with the European bloc too.
To understand the culture of Qatar or any country in the Middle East, you should first have an open mind and secondly try to understand Islam.If your aim is just to make money by hook or crook and go back to your native, then you'll never understand.
Finally the Indian govt does not have any moral right to question these deporatations.Especially after the rape of nuns and mass murder of christians in Orissa, where the state police were helping the hindu extremists! Anyway, these things dont happen in Qatar.And whatever, the CID does in Qatar is fully justified, because they help in maintaing the law of the land for the smooth functioning of the society.
The reason is a practical one - for people who live too far away from the centres and/or have transport problems. So it's good to be able to gather and worship together, pray and support each other, closer to home BUT there cannot be one set of rules for one and another for another. And the dangers have been proven.
/But a family unit is, of its own, enough. The problem here are the poor and the bachelors and the bachelorettes - so they just have to find their way.
//Some may say that I don't understand their situation because I'm lucky. But really, luck didn't have anything to do with it. I had a lot of trouble in the beginning but overcame them eventually, with help.
Isn't that only half the story? And if that is so, that is misleading? (NB: I'm not saying that you are misleading. I am saying that the information could be misleading - 2 different things). Anyway, I dunno. You guys who've been here longer should know better.
My 2 cents worth - Could it not be that the govt is trying to ensure that not too many splinter groups of the mainstream churches are allowed to operate? Same thing for Islamic splinter groups, right? I think it's fair and very prudent, to avoid misinterpretations of Holy books. Everything works both ways.
/And to whom it may concern, please don't PM me to try and convince me that I am a heathen and a traitor to my faith. However learned you are, there are some things you don't know. Only God knows everything, not you.
//Btw, I don't read PMs from people I haven't met and gotten to know. Good day!
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Agree with you. A place of worship is available.. Why not utilize it..Individuals can pray at home..
By the way, the same is true for Muslim worshippers..
Yes, utilize approved centres for gatherings, just not regular cells all over. What they'll do is probably have CID or whoever observing to ensure that teachings are not deviant, which I also think is fair and prudent.
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just want to share the announcement at the Parish read by the officiating priest 2 Sundays ago after the Sunday mass... It says that with regard to the circulating rumor, as of that date, no parishioner have been reported as deported for religious reason cited by the rumor. However, parishioners are being cautioned to utilize the church and its facilities for religious gatherings to avoid trouble and to keep religious articles specially in the cars in an inconspicuous place so as not to attract attention and offend non-Christians.