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Dear Ingsu,

We have asked you politely to remove the posts as they are in violation of the community guidelines. We have offered to provide you with proof that the mother wishes these posts removed so that our out of court settlement may proceed. We understand your desire to be part of this situation, but please understand that is a private matter that was wrongly publicized in an effort to intimidate and harass us. That period has passed and now your posts are simply an obstacle to the mother being reunited. Please do the right thing.

Kind regards,

The bio father.

Apparently some of my posts have upset some people (ohhhhh really????) I wonder why if they just state the true! O.o

I have read the guidelines and I do not see the violation on blah blah blah. However one of my answers got repeated hundred times ... ok, I exagerate, but like about five times, for computer misterious manipulations.

I am not against any school / people. I just said what was happening. It is over now (In Qatar) but the children are still not reunited with their mother.

Please acept my apologies for disturbing the website and feel free to eliminate four of the five answers.

Best best wishes and keep the good work up, YOU ARE AMAZING GUYS and I would have killed myself if QL did not exist when I was living in Doha,

God bless!

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thanks for this kind reminder. It is a pleasure to be part of QL community. And salute to Blue, Oryx and Fuw for their good suggestions. I recommend you guys to become one of the moderators.

I tell you what! Keep wearing those bright clothing, they might give you some bright logical intelligence..

Many other web forum have come and gone. But QL is here as ever, through the storms and through the sunshine it has held on.. Well done QL.. Thanks for every thing that you have given to us..

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Derek Edward Trotter

Where are your moderators.

I'm a member of other forms but I didn't see somthing semilar to yours.

I think you should put active moderaters.

Why not put a Qatari one also. He will understand the culture more.

i was very impressed by the margin of freedom given to QL members and visitors ..."As any material posted is not endorsed, reviewed or approved by Qatar Living"

I highly appreciate ...

Its so nice 2 get a reminder from you Ahmad, but Alas that bashers and Mischief members need another 4 years to grow up and another 4 years to learn good deeds and mature blogging , but true that,

"A dogs tail will always be bent"

Dutch, Danish, doesn't really matter. Somewhere cold that's al i know ;).

Nice thoughts Cumbersome.. I thought the painter was Danish? Definately it was posted in the Danish Newspaper..

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"HE WHO DARES WINS"

Derek Edward Trotter

Glad to see i'm not the only one who thinks the purpose of Online communities is to escape oppression and truly have a free platform for discussion; no matter how intense it may be. I mean seriously, ever since the Mohamed drawing by that dutch guy, freedom of speech has taken a toll. As a matter of fact, you remember the french guy who used to run Doha Freedom Center, well he resigned (willingly... maybe) few days after he sent invitation to that danish painter who made the drawing and that painter was actualy in Doha! Not kidding, they actually took pictures of him and published it in newspapers. Double standards make me sick!

so one mistake to do it! Really bad. We'll run out of good friends and worthy adversaries (at least in discussions)! Well, we're still here! Hope we stay long, Padre! Good evening!

"I'm back, simple as that"

Padre one of the older Qler and dear friend had to pay the price of the vigilanti on QL.

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"HE WHO DARES WINS"

Derek Edward Trotter

anyway, a constant reminder will do the trick. And Mods are doing that! Everyone thinks before they post, but the problem lies on the condition of the poster at the time of posting. Is there anyone here who is always is good condition 100% 24/7?

Do we expect no mistakes or always "good and nice" posts all throughout the year? Just obey the "golden rule"!

"I'm back, simple as that"

Shame to see you go Miss A

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"HE WHO DARES WINS"

Derek Edward Trotter

I agree with all that you said from beginning to end a 100%

ok sir

can we move on now please

...listen to the sound of silence....

All I can say is 'let's see'.

The argument that QL is 'too big' isn't an excuse in my opinion. Some members here have suggested some very good ideas to help QL become a better community.

The irony is that now people on QL are saying "We shouldn't be generalized" when that's what's been happening on QL towards Qataris for a while now...

My advice? Focus on being better people rather than caring what other people are doing and the world will be a better place. (I hope).

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Mr. Q's Blog - A Qatari's view on Qatar.

Thanks a lot for this article. this is really needed since qatarliving is growing very fast.

when i registered to qatar living there was few visitors and was not popular like what QL is today.

we improved a lot in number of visitors as well as technically.

qatar living is part of life for every one here in qatar

In some way I'll agree with you cumbersome2009

"If i'm not mistaken, QL's major contributors' prime dogma in life is to raise hell and be a Drama Queen. That's what makes QL what it is. A battlefield of misguided messages, coercive dialogue, hatred and bigotry. And I'm not the only one who loves it for those reasons alone!"

If that is the case, they should make the replies not visible to visitors. It just means that when you signed up on this site and log-in you are prepare of whatever posts you will see.

Just like a porno site that has a warning of adult contents.

At least everyone have turn from devil into angels now having known the impact of lashing in words and deeds. Good indeed for PR. Words describe true events and actions takes it off ground in both sincerity and deceiveness.

QL guys, thanks for making the last three and a bit years of my life more than bearable in this place. Joke aside, I've witnessed a lot of changes in Qatar and I feel sort of at home , lol.

Thanks for... well, for being there. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, ups, Happy Season Holidays for the cultural-sensitive ones :-)

Good Ahmad!

Blue's suggestion about placing a "report abuse" button near the reply button seems to be a good idea!

A little bit of e-bashing is not detrimental to your health!

brother....

If i'm not mistaken, QL's major contributors' prime dogma in life is to raise hell and be a Drama Queen. That's what makes QL what it is. A battlefield of misguided messages, coercive dialogue, hatred and bigotry. And I'm not the only one who loves it for those reasons alone!

People like it when things go out of line. No one watches Jerry Springer to see a separated couple get back together, they wanna see 'em butt-naked beating each other with their own genitalia.

I say we quit this act of "Oh let's keep things clean, we don't wanna hurt people's feelings" and all the other bs. The only reason this site has survived this long is because of Traffic & user hits, generated by the same people you all claim to "hate" for being hurtful. This whole post of mine is evidence that I'm here to blow off steam after a crappy day at the office, pretty much like the rest of you. However, it's almost 6 pm now, so I'm off to my regular offline life... toodles!

she already appologize ...

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=wall&ref=search&gid=209632513836#/topic.php?uid=209632513836&topic=12733

Heero,

I hope this event won't shoo PM away from QL. What transpired was just one eye openner that she had the courage to brought upon. I am sure many had been enlightened despite the stark contrasting variegated views all had laid upon.

Shall we expect her to rise and shine once again? I certainly hope so.

Cheers!!

Thank you qatar living and merry x-mas to everyone..

Her posts makes sense. It didn't come up to the point that the majority of those who 'felt' offended and probably imbecile, because PM may be logically true, has won the day?

One controversial thread doesn't make up to the valid points she makes in almost all of her comments.

So we always have to make up for the major illogical people that 'sweeps' this website and give the QL guidelines or abuse form as a 'viable' reason to oust someone that has a voice to show the other reality of Qatar what plenty of us cannot speak out of fear of being kicked out in this country?

And you call yourselves 'being respected' when one's opinion of an eye-opener may probably prove (through your replies) that you easily think she 'generalizes' people? Your replies only makes it obvious that she was right...unless you know how you can tolerate or counteract intelligently (I admire Bleu on this one), and that makes one nice good apple among 10-15 other bad apples. (Ok that last phrase was mine. I hadn't eaten lunch yet. ;-P)

"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach

veri, "Lie back and think of England" works...

LOL!

I had my laugh, FU.

I am world famous in the room that I am in right now...

Source:

- A study Conducted by FriedUnicorn - Vol I (September,1999)

that doesn't work... Superwoman's friend tried to lie back and think of Doha and it was a disaster... you HAVE to think of England...

check out page 2 of this thread...

http://www.qatarliving.com/node/848128?page=1

"World famous in Qatar" is a contradiction in itself.

Source:

- A study Conducted by FriedUnicorn - Vol I (September,1999)

This website needs a moderator that is online 24/7 or at least 2 that alternate, maybe the members should nominate someone that is a positive contributor and that can remain somewhat neutral at all times.

A lot of members misbehave and so the suggestion that we as adults should be able to 'moderate' our posts is thrown out of the window.

There are a lot of blatant negative posts all over the place, I was reading the guide to Qatari weddings and I found a lot of offensive remarks that make me wonder whether the moderators are overlooking them or simply failed to keep up with all the rubbish that is being posted.

I'll do just that... England!

Nah!

I'll just lie back and think of Qatar!

"Lie back and think of England"

ver,

what if they push my buttons???

:P

"don't let other people push your buttons, folks"

(link found in Mr. Google's post above) notices the irony that in demanding the closure of QL because some expats have insulted and stereotyped Qataris in their posts, she is insulting and stereotyping ALL of us as being of the same mind as those few errant individuals.

She writes:

"Many of the expatriates on this website (not all of them but most of them) use bad language when talking about Qatari people."

"Most of them"? Really?

Hmmm...if QL has 150,000 members...

Pot. Kettle. Black.

But I digress...

Great suggestions by bleu above.

Everyone should try to behave more responsibly and politely on here...and don't let other people push your buttons, folks.

You can't control other people's actions, words or feelings but you can control your own.

"If you're looking for sympathy, you'll find it between sh*t and syphilis in the dictionary."

- David Sedaris

Thanks Ahmed,

Efforts appreciated.

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Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur.

the changes must start from us/members of QL coz even we didnt do anything we're still part of crimes that happen here as a member. even the MOD is monitoring every forums/thread yet if some pathetic member are still posting it will not end. we need to be more aware in what we are posting, the control is in our hand, the changes is in our hand as well. Let's try to learn from the mistake happened and make the QL a happy social community system.

DON'T LET FANTASY ROB YOU OF YOUR REAL LIFE BEAUTY

maasalam

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I got a question?

Why you guys still holding moderators that are not any longer living in Qatar?

Is best to find volunteers who already lives and works in Qatar.

I understand that PM's famous thread is deleted. I am not sure if the mods deleted her or she asked to be removed.

But when I see a thread whose title is "Shameful Qatari tradition.....", I do not understand how such a thread is still alive and kicking. Personally I find it a call to destroy the society, dis-obey the parents, and most important violating the religion.

Well done mods.

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I agree Bleu that its not moderators/admins fault "entirely" but there has been lot of reporting done but its ignored for a particular group of members for unknown reasons by the admins/mods.

More Moderators is the need of QL, also Admins can consider moving QL to a more userfriendly forums like IP Board or VBulletin that has more features.

Thanks Ahmad!

need no of moderators. we're all professional here, we're all matured enough to know our rights, limitations and responsibilities...

good luck to all and more of good lucks to QL ahead!

Total Recovery. Result = New life, new image, new belief...

Ecosavvy yoou are welcome to my mental hospital....we are experts of electroconvulsive treatment.

Are you nuts?......no doubt I am crazy about you!

Good points but others have no sense at all.

Example of them:

A-The purchase of a dictionary on line? Come on give me a break!

Solution:

It should be already be embedded on the comment page as a tool for others to use.

B-Bleu said: We as QL users need to be more active in defusing all the hate.

You don't paid me enough to be so active.

Suggestion: read all 18 Guidelines!

ahmad SAID:

we rely on you to flag community violations.

Now everyone is a judge, a prosecutor and a lawyer.

You are just opening the gates of the new QL inquisition!

Suggestion: read all 18 Guidelines!

Respectfully.

yesterday she came up with new id as Candlestick

Thanks ahmad!

I was talking about this the other time.! it would be great to have the old QL back :)

noted ahmad and thanks!

king007,

I don't blame the moderators either, they could be just 1-2 people who have other things to do in their life.

We as QL users need to be more active in defusing all the hate.

noted

PM does it again!

This is just another one, many members have left QL because of few of the members who have not been moderated and allowed to spread hatred against Qataris and sometimes even against the state religion.

Either Admins/Moderators should moderate QL properly and keep track of its members to behave, respect and discuss constructively about Qatar, or shut the site down if they can't do it.

Qatar Living has become an institution in Qatar. All the people I know who come here to work soon learn about it, and in the 4 years I've been here I've used it to find information, try out restaurants, buy a phone and sell a couple of cars. The problem with a lot of people these days is that they see free sites like this on the internet as having no value - because they don't pay to use them - and so feel it's OK to abuse any rules set by the organisers. We, the users, have an equal responsibility to police the sites that we use and wouldn't want to see disappear, in the same way we have a right and responsibility to protect the neighbourhoods we live in. It's up to us as much as the moderators to identify abuse and do something about it. If we don't then we can say goodbye to all the good things that QL provides the Qatar community.

Thanks Ahmed I think the blame lies with the crappy journalism. the overwhelming positives of QL are huge, charity, social groups, community info.

Maybe a need to start a new forum

'Rubbish Journalism'

Their written English is horrible and their reporting standards are slack.

Lesson 1

Opinion Vs Fact

Opinion - a view expressed by an individual

Fact - something that is proven

Quantify opinions which such adjectives as, minority, overwhelming etc to give perspective

Lesson 2

Using correct Syntax

ie accidents where two people are killed are not 'unfortunate mishaps'

Lesson 3

here is a link to an online dictionary for journalists in Qatar - esp the Tribune

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/

Ahmad. thanks for the Kind Reminder.

may I also say that please remember this is a wonderful site that helps a lot of people with information about Qatar. So The forums are just a part of this wonderful site.

So people please keep it real, clean and Respect to every one..

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"HE WHO DARES WINS"

Derek Edward Trotter

Thanks Ahmed

simple solution.

you can change ip after disconnecting your conenction.

simple solution is ISP emails. only those should be eligible who got isp emails. and then same email cant be used for 2 ids.

prevent multiple id's from the same IP address,people use it ONLY to stir trouble & hijack threads,there is no other logical,reasonable use for it, i'm no IT expert so i don't know how these things work but surely there is a way to know what the IP address is & if multiple users are originating from the same IP add. right?...just a suggestion,good job guys...

Ahmed

I do appreciate your efforts and honesty.We are all here for the best of QL

I love Qatar and Qatarliving

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Take care and have FUN

Thanks Ahmad,, this was needed.

~noms~

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"Before God we are all equally wise ' and equally foolish" - Albert Einstein

trouble in paradise huh.

it was actually a blessing in disguise if QTel actually withdrew those advertisements.

as long as it sticks to advising people who are moving here and living here.

I was told when I was advised to join, be aware of those that use it as platform for racial hatred.

Its the mods and admin who need to learn this lesson.

Not us

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Is this apology related with this news in

global voices online

and iloveqatar

Better not to post than to post something that will insult other persons.

Better to watch your word now. They have made an anti-qatarliving group in facebook.

We must learn from this lesson.

and we will be going into the next phase of smoother forum other than the lively & kicking past.

In my opinion, the problem is not coming from members side. Rather it is coming from the way this site is moderated. It has been noticed that double standards are applied. Some members are escaping with major and criticial violations. While others are kicked out for silly reasons.

The result of such biased moderations is the current reputation of QL.

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I hope it helps in settling down the dust..

Nice proposal Bleu.

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Have Courage To Live.

Anyone Can Die.

I am afraid everybody knows the guidelines. The issue is about moderating the threads in general and the comments in particular. I know it is a huge effort, but by kicking out the members who ignore the guidlines will have everybody or most of the members abide by the guidelines.

Feel sorry for how things ended up. Looks like QL did reach a no-return point.

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I agree 100% with the precautions Bleu mentioned...they ought to limit what has been going on for sometime...I almost quit QL because of all that at a certain point.

And in the corner of my mind....I celebrated glory

Thanks

Thanks Ahmed for reminder

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सोनम दी नेपाली बाबु

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"test..."

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Discuss the issue of the day, not the persons problem!

Good to state the guidelines and purpose of this website as a thread (2nd paragraph refers).

If the comments cannot be monitored by the MODS, which is quite understood, at least the post itself can be monitored and deleted if it does not fall under any of the above said criteria at once. While deleting just leave a comment for deleting so that the same may not get repeated, which will help reduce the work of the MODS over a period of time.

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One life to live, live it to the fullest.

Over the last few days it seems that instead of facilitating

is this a joke or are you blind

QL has been going down for the last 12 months.

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everyone is doing mistake and everyone deserve a second chance. and i believe QL deserve it and hopefully QTEL will not block the site.

DON'T LET FANTASY ROB YOU OF YOUR REAL LIFE BEAUTY

Will QL become a mouthpiece for the Country, or will it allow free and open discussions? We shall see, maybe QTEL will block it as not in the national interest.

Thanks Ahmed......

Efforts are appreciated .. . .

Till date I used to feel bad m not able to QL often these dayz...... but not anymore.....

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Men will wrangle for religion, write for it, fight for it, die for it, anything but live for it

we will be more civil now. thank you for that reminder.

progress

i know it...

thank u I wish some people appreciate and respect the rules

"Superwoman to the rescue"

as i've seen lately point #2 is not follow, i hope at this time QL members will be more aware with there post/forum.

DON'T LET FANTASY ROB YOU OF YOUR REAL LIFE BEAUTY

New ids should be monitored

Great suggestions bleu.

If I may add;

To avoid the "fly by night" members, which malicously participate in the discussion. The QL can add to their community guidelines that new users can only participate or post a topic after 48 hours of membership.

MAJID, many are in read-only mode, or only use the groups and classifieds.

150,000 members ??? how much of them are using now ?

peace :)

Ahmad,

I have a few suggestions... Shouldn't be too hard to implement with drupal/php/mysql.

Suggestion 1: Add a "report abuse" link to all posts (near "reply"), it should automatically link to the post, and poster...

Suggestion 2: Add an admin feature to put some users (all new users for the first week, and and abusive users) "under moderation"... They would think that what they typed was posted, but they're the only ones to see them until a mod approves the post.

Suggestion 3: Allow some of the users to be moderators. You know your users and you would know who to choose. They would still be transparent moderators as they shouldn't divulge their identity while moderating.

"Of course, with over 150,000 members and 500,000 people visiting each month,... "

whew!!

if i may qoute QL G/L No. 2,

"Do not create topics or posts that criticise, bully or insult other Qatar Living members, and do not flame (e.g. provoke other Qatar Living member into arguments) or impersonate other people. If you wish to make a complaint against another Qatar Living member, please use the "Report Abuse" form on the Contact page."

... users who find posting/s offensives must report it to admin. is there active reporting happening lately?

and how many Mods does QL have?

OR is the MODs proportion to current QLers traffic getting out of bounds?

if no one reports, and Mods are not enough to police the threads 24/7...

where will that leads?

i think, a never ending bashing and trashing here and there. imagine someone even opening a thread to bash this or that at a scheduled day!!

what does the Mods Say??

point well emphasized.. it's about time to bring QL back to the way it was..

Thanks for the reminder.

http://skadian-lifeinqatar.blogspot.com/

"To the illumined man or woman, a clod of dirt, a stone, and gold are the same.” ------- Gita

the question is for how long till the next round?

dont attack the person, only the comments itself...

professionalism is for everyone...

temper is something u cant get rid of... by loosing it...

Thanks Ahmed

Thanks Ahmad.

Few rotten oranges can rotten the whole boat load. We were all labelled racists by the Local community today. QL needs to be moderated better.

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- God Gives n Forgivs .. We Gets n Forgets -

Thanks and wishing the Qatar Living many fruitfull years ahead.

PS: now with this huge publicity, I think that QL will get big buks from advertising...Can I buy some shares? :)

Yes QL Rocks, as long as we don't "shake" ourselves to the ground.

Thanks ahmed...appreciate it!

I love you..you love me...we are one big happy family:)

QL rocks!!

Ma3asalama :)

thank you dear Ahmad.

I just hope you consider re-defining QL, it's getting more attention from the public media and some other online blog sites, not only for being informative, actually not at all for being informative, only for the opinions of the QLers.

Regards

Yalla!

A lot of lovemaking can unblock a stuffy nose! Dr. Choc

Thanks.

hope the above clarifies and be practiced...

thanks for reminding us...

[img_assist|nid=12867|link=none|align=left|width=|height=0]Nothing in life is to be feared. It is only to be understood.

.....QL melodrama..........

Are you nuts?......no doubt I am crazy about you!

a good reminder to everyone... especially to those who forgets... enough of all those bashing and all that... let's be mature enough... think before u post...

"there are so many rumors about me...feel free to believe in any of'em.."

I think Shakespeare has a title for this days: "Much Ado About Nothing"...

Could you also tell us where is your location? I mean QL site in Doha?

Thank you and Best wishes

**Dont get discourage when things go beyond your imagination because the greatest glory in life is not falling but rising everytime you fall. Life is what you make it**