well can u tell y? the life in doha has changed so much ..ok if its developing its gud but ,,but y muslim girls have forgot their culture,,can any one say that or show the solution for it
Avid once again a grim observation. Should I say the women who are wearing miniskirts are only doing so because the sex crazy culture of the west dictates they show as much skin as possible.Are the men in their lives demanding the dress as sexy as possible so they can show them off? Is it because they were molested as children so they dress this way because the have low self esteem. Disclaimer "Sarcasm"
If you drink you drink, if you eat pork yes you can find your pork. I think a lot of Westerners who come here become very sensitive about such things when they move to the Middle East or Muslim Countries. The same as I have seen some Muslims react to moving to the US. They want to hold on to their culture or comfort things so much so that they become paranoid. They each attack the other culture with ferocity and disrespect without trying to accept that every culture has its good and bad parts.
Are the French people the ones who dictate fashion or is it the fashion industry which is made up of many corporations who answer to their shareholders not the everyday common man. The emperor has new clothes....
I would like to make a suggestion take a deep breathe before you hit the post button.
If you want to have loads of sheep er sorry followers you need a judgement day. You just don't attract the crowds without one. Religion as Marx said is the Opiate of the masses, in days gone by before science, a higher being was the explanation for everything, I image that Tsunami would have raised a few eyebrows 1000 years ago and no doubt that would have been used by which ever religion was quick enough to jump on it.
Nothing wrong with that at all what is quite clearly wrong is going to war over it or killing people becase of it.
In Noori's case as she is here, I agree with a poster above, I very much expect that her male dominated houshold makes her wear the Nikab, because as we all now know there is nothing laid down in the book to make people wear it. Dress with modesty is the pharse used.
Sadly back then fashion was still in its infancy and Paris was yet to discover the catwalk, it was mostly sack cloth and hessian.
Anyway had fashion been more advanced and saying that, society in general then the book could have been more specific. No mini skirts, or boob tubes. I don't mind you drawing pictures just get my right side. If you want to have sex before marriage great just don't tell anyone (hang on that already goes on) Burger King is OK McDonalds is out. H&M yes Benneton NO. Things like that.
But I return to the orginal point, no judgement day you just aint gonna get the numbers to justify the rent on the places of worship.
I have lived on and off in the ME for the past 8 years or I should say I have been living in countries where the majority of the people are Muslim to be more accurate. I don't see anything wrong with people or cultures as a whole changing over time. It is simply an inevitability. Every culture on Earth has changed, to include its dress code, over its existence. Many times in most cases. You cannot blame it only on external influences such as foreigners living in Doha. People have to want to change before they actually do. I hardly believe that Allah wishes to stunt a woman's mind and send her to hell, because she wear jeans and a t-shirt.
All this talk of going to hell and judgement day seems to me to be out of our lane since every holy book mentioned in this thread leaves Judgement to Yahweh/God/Allah. Besides, it isn't wise to cast your convictions on others and to pass judgement on people who do not share your belief system. This is how extremists are born and made and someone who is so extreme that they cannot accept or tolerate someone else's differences is just wrong.
Personally, most of the Arab women I have seen in Doha have changed very little in my observations since 2000. They also seem to adhere to their religious and cultural rules for the most part. There are the random groups that have elected for change, but even these women are hardly scantily dressed. I also would suggest not seeing the changes as a threat to your culture Noori. Your culture in Qatar is evolving, hopefully for the better. There will always be people who adhere to the old ways (there are still bedouins, afterall). Your clothing does not define your culture and the changes you describe hardly seem threatening.
Thank you guys, that was just too funny. I loved the part of when Gipsy will meet Noor in the judment day, that is, when the deserts turn into forests.
Noor, as someone said before, live and let live. Why does it bother you so much what others want to wear or the way they practise their religion. So much preaching for nothing, take a hard look at your self and judge YOUR actions only.
So noori, are you going to start another thread about how muslim men are forgetting their culture?
Because the last time I checked the Quran, drinking alcohol and whoring and committing adultery was haram, as was harassing and sexually assaulting women.
Aviduser I wasn't bashing anyones religion, I was simply saying that there is no point in telling me that I am going to burn in hell when I don't believe I will. I find it funny that people think just because they tell me that I'm going to change my beliefs! Religion is only as powerful as the belief people have in it, if nobody believes it has no power.
Islam didn’t ask you to cover your face! It’s the men in your life (father, brother, etc) who force you to do so. For them your face is no different then a sexual organ needs to be covered. If it’s a so called Qatari tradition, how come our first lady isn’t wearing it?
I am from the west. Even when I wasn't practising Islam, I thought it was madness. We grew up poor so to me fashion and McDonald's were not a big deal. All we cared about is if it the clothes were clean and if they fit. A homemade burger was just as good as Mcdonalds.
People didn't care about those things when I was growing up. The world has gotten crazy though in the last twenty years. For the Americans remember cutoff jean shorts do you see them anymore, ohh only rednecks still wear them. Even the West has lost its values to commercialism so don't give me that crap. A lot of younger people from the West can see because they don't remember building guns out of wood sticks and rubberbands. If it is not Nintendo, Sega or Ipod, Gucci, Prada we don't know. The same is happening here in Qatar and around the world.
I am talking shite self deleted !! Can't be bothered just feel sorry for some people. They are never gonna get we are never gonna get it forget about it.
qd06...ur self...gud write up..i like it... well guys to let u knw am just 22yrs... n think y am i talking to u this way...though am in this century...want to feel comfortable in abaya, hijab n cover the face as am away from all the badeffect..alhumdurillah
The lament I think from Noori is not about expressing freedom but the lose of identity and culture. Do you go to Japan and see women in Kimono's anymore? Do you see the women in Africa wearing the pretty dresses with the wonderfully bright colors. Do you see the Arab men in their thobes or different head wraps or scarves depending on the region? If I go to Pakistan will I see people wearing Shalwar/ Qamees. Do the people have to abandon their dress and their culture to become modern?
Oryx......... can u plz finish it....its over..and everyone agree to leave others on there believe....what u say about a small meeting i asked for..do u agree...
Welcome to the world. The media, movies, and television are mmaking everyone homogeneous. If you are modern you have to dress and look the part as stipulated by the people in control of your images.
You are no longer Chinese, Korean, Arab, African, Pakistani, or Indian. You are all Hollywood starlets who are a size two with long flowing hair, blue eyes( or blue contacts), blonde hair. You all speak engrish or english or engarish. You can be the darkest woman on the planet but you wear pasty white makeup and garishly red lipstick. If your hair is curly or nappy you have to straighten it.
The view of modernism is not to make you intelligent or independent but to make you depedent on the makeup, stylists, and all the wonderful products we have to sell you. This is the condition in Qatar and all over the world.... In order to succeed in business/life you have to have one blue suit, and a black one, be six feet tall and look like a cowboy. oh wait thats how we choose presidents and leaders.
Aghhh modern fashion makes no sense to me. Anyone who actually lives and works out in the sun knows that the more skin you expose to the sun the hotter you will be. Its called cover yourself with light airy cloth like cotton or linens not get buck naked. Italian cut suits/shirts and hip hugger jeans are not cute :-) they just make you walk funny.
We shouldnt bash their religion, we don't beleive in it and at the end of the day everyone is welcome to their own views. If that means that you never expose any part of their bodies well good for them, If they want to live their life like that for the hope of entering paradise well go ahead. I certainly hope there is one because imagine the disappointment if it didn't materialise. Man you are gonna be really annoyed.
As there is no proof of any of this heaven, hell paradise or judgement day then I am going to take my chances by drinking eating having sex before marriage and all the other amazing sins that were laid down over 1300 years ago.
After all we have one shot at this life with absoloutly NO guarantee of an afterlife so I'm going for it now just in case.
Now of course if there was any evidence of an afterlife even just a hint of proof then perhaps I could give it all up and make my girlfriend wear the Abaya, I might even wait till I am married to sleep with her again but until then I am sticking with what I know and what I can prove.
whoz gana go where .. am talking bout the day of jugdment where u ,me an everyone is gonna stand in front Allah ...its only how people thinking ,,to have party n discos out there....
i hope every one in this thread kknws that we are just discussing n passing our thoughts ok... n to spread the ryt thought is not a crime ok .... have patience n think ....where we r ,, n wht r we doing wrong to ourself....
this news is only for the muslim ladies n mens ..to take care of themselves....coz i knw gypsy u dont belive in religion .... then y u belive that u will die one day this saying is bye every religion .... lets meet on the day of judgment ,,,n will c where u stand....
an yes its often sen that ladies miss use the abaya like they go out to meet their boyfrnd,,just to hid themselves,,,n some time westerns wear it coz they dint wear any thing inside...others have this intension that we muslim girls do the same ...which is not true..n if this young generation is doing so ,,,then we have to warn our childrens n sisters n brothers....ryt
as am the youngest in this thread .... i got to see elder people with ...negetive comments
Wow noori, that's some God you've got there, I can see why you follow him so passionately, do what men say or end up in hell. That's a great out look on life. I'll take my chances with Hell thank you...at least all the fun people will be there. :P
so genesis,,can u tell me the reason y they wore that batoola.. so on for ,,,,a part from the culture .... if ur a qatari u might be a muslim also ryt ....u would understand Quran much better then a non arab ..if not wrong....
yes JBM these people will go to hell,,,,coz there is no god but Allah .... there is hadith from our prophet(P.B.U.H)
if any women exposes her any part ..that women will not even smell the heaven ..so forget bout going to heaven .....if u come to knw that whts happening with those dead bodies of such womens n non muslims ..u will love to go away from every one n just pray to Allah...every one knws that one day we have to die .....
even the smoke of hell fire would melt u down...its not easy
Although as many of u will notice I hardly post anything but I read almost everything here. I get angry sometimes and laugh other times, but I also as Charmed said was waiting for "the west is bad bit". People we are in a century where any person is free to CHOOSE religion, outfit, culture, food, language, etc… I have heard, read many Christians convert to other religions specially from the west so WHATS WRONG if Muslim girls dress freely (but within limits) and take of the hijab, after all its their life and they ONLY LIVE ONCE>>.
As for the Skirt::: U DON’T LIKE IT DON’T LOOK ,U GET OFFENDED TURN YOUR HEAD TO THE OTHER SIDE, in that way you have proved to yourself your beliefs and determination.
PS: johny_boiei IT'S Snooker not snokker and its Swimming not Swinning
Why do people constantly bring up the divorce rate in the west as an example of how bad the west is? How many times do I have to say that Qatar has one of the highest divorce rates in the world? And what's wrong with not making people stay in crappy marriages?
Noori, women can and should wear whatever they want to, as men do. THere is nothing shameful about wearing a low cut top.
Johny, I don't follow any religious book at all. I don't follow the Bible or the Torah or the Quaran and I think all three are full of crap written by MEN thousands of years ago and should be tossed in the trash.
am not insulting them i respect every women ..its only that they have changed alot in the way like they are wearing outfits...if they wearing abaya its too the body shape...well
it so happened that even some non muslims feel ashamed when they see other ladies wearing such cloths that show their body...
well its only for those who understands the topic ok
Leave the Arabs alone, leave the Asian alone and leave the Western alone! be contented what you are and where you're from, leave other peoples business so you guys are not fighting! Otherwise we have to ask the QL members to start saving funds for us to have an Arena for people to bash each other! what you say QL members? he! he! he!
No body is saying West is bad or East is Good Human live east and Human live West. Its all about where u come from and how were u brought up and how u lived in a society. Civilization have changed everything age to age.and still alot more will come no one knows. SO you Guys just stop fighting and arguing else This Man Tabilan you know than :D DaRuDe
And I’m against NIQAB. It’s not Islamic & unnatural. Name it what you want. It’s a lousy excuse for men to have dominance over women & its complete oppression. It’s not a Qatari tradition (and limited to Qataris from Bedouin/tribal heritage). The Qatari women tradition dress is known for decades to be the ‘abaya ‘& ‘shayla’, elder wear goshwa & batoola to cover their faces.
charmed ...i didnt say that west is bad...its about the difference b/t the cultures...they say why we talk about 13000 years ago..we have to look at new era and modren age...i just said that if they dont like other to talk about old things...then they have to change there book and religion..becoz its also old...
They want to give the name TERRORIST to JIHAD...they dont want us to believe over LAST PROPHET..they want us to believe them...
Won't say that "the west is bad"; because it's not.
You know what, we see want we want to see, those who blame others for their mistakes always complain and never move forward.
I could see some parties from both sides who cause this uncomfortable enviroment. We are to make friends, have fun, benifit from each others' expereince and knoweledge. We'd better communicate and reduce the distance between us NOT CLASH or create fights for no use.
well ,,,u knw just now when i left for lunch in the canteen with my collegues ..there was one lady wearing outfits ..with deep neck...all the mens in that canteen,,including waiters were watching her from top to bottem ... this shows that she is just like an entertainment for every one every day .... so its just like ur showing ur body to every one ....
i was wtaching this thread and wondered how long it would take to get to the west bashing part!! I love this bit!! Come on everybody chant with me " the west is bad, the west is bad" lol!!!
Gypsy ........ nice to hear that....Lets see what time will show u...if u r saying i m talking about 13000 years ago...ya i m
its mean u have to change ur holy book then and ur religion also..becoz it seems old too..isnt it
in west above 18 and + can arrest there parents if they show there hands to them...and u r talking about freedom...checkout the percentage of DIVORCE in west...for both males and females its very easy to give a DIVORCE..rather to love someone...
Obviously you haven't been here when the temputures hit 55 in the shade Privet or you wouldn't say keeping your legs cool so sarcastically. And there are two kinds of reaction, one is a look, the other is copping a feel. If you wear a mini-skirt you expect and want to be looked at, it is not an invitation to cop a feel, and only a jerk or pervert would think so.
Yes, nice to look at but what is the real intensions of women whom venture out in mini-skirts, just keeping the legs and all cool in the hot weather?
You can be proud of your body without flashing your ass to attract male attention surely, then calling them all perverts and jerks when they react. I sense hypocrisy in you with this one. And I like mini-skirts.
No one is forcing any one here or imposing their Habits Religion or on any one. All was asking about suggestions and opinions you guys are taking it on ur selves. Avoid that.
I think you are being very harsh and rather insulting generalising about muslim women like that noori. You should have some more respect many Qatari girls adhere to their religion and are proud to do so. For many I don't see many great detrimental changes in the last 5 years - I don't see Qatari girls go down the disco - but I do seem them becoming educated and participating more in the economy.
Im a new convert here in Qatar. I wear hijab which I dont do before, though I got beautiful hair as they say ;) I wear long skirt which I wasnt comfortable before... and so on and so on.
My point is it is conviction of the heart and respect for other people's right. You are in an Islamic Country, respect their cultures, and that doesnt mean wearing Hijabs and long skirt, but dress and act properly. If you cant, you have also choices, do and wear everything you want inside your home or live in a place or a country where people will not even bother if you are walking in two- piece.
Changes are happening not only in Qatar, it is everywhere. Bottom line is... respect for yourself and for others.
Peace! :)
**Work like you dont need the money, love like you've never been hurt and dance like no one is watching**
I'm sorry the last time I checked MY God didn't say I couldn't wear a mini-skirt, drink alcohol or eat pork, and should I choose to and by some stretch of the imagination displease God, well it's God's job to judge me, not anyone elses.
I heard the Prophet saying, "Any man whom Allah has given the authority of ruling some people and he does not look after them in an honest manner, will never feel even the smell of Paradise."
just ask Westrens that own countries is not enough to wear mini skirts..there countries r not enough for them to drink or sell lickers...why they want to show themselfs in Muslim countries...?
just tell Westrens that own countries is not enough to wear mini skirts..there countries r not enough for them to drink or sell lickers...why they want to show themselfs in Muslim countries...?
At least you didn't disagree that niqab prevents women from being active members of society iwael. I was really referring to ditching the shackles of the culture here, rather than hijab itself. It's a womans choice and if less women are wearing it, then that is good because it means their excercising their freedom of choice.
i think its all of westerns coming to doha ryt..b4 the population was not much here ... n we can hardly see europians in doha ,,,but now every where ..phillipnos n American ..welll cant controll them .......
I really appreciate your input to the threads in QL, you surely enrich any discussion BUT I don't agree with you this time.
Hijab doesn't, didn't, and won't stop gorls from particiapting in life nor development. I can see all around me women in Hijab and doing great job. They are great mothers, amazing employees, bright managers, and many other things.
All they are doing by wearing the hijab, is obeying Allah's commands and protecting theirselves from ...... (won't name them).
Their minds are open, educated, and in many times they beat the men in different feilds.
I lived in Middle East for 12 years and I think I will miss it.
It looks unique to me and it makes a difference seeing different type of people. if I don't see Arab woman in hijab or Abaya (as we call in Saudi), then were no longer in Middle East! I think that's sad if they change completely. How am I supposed to show my future grandchildren how they dress if they are all into modern dress? just by photos? not enough. something should be preserve. being modern is one thing but to completely change is another thing. Some old things like antiques still looks nice and adorable.
Well to be frank ..these girls are spoiled by watching movies n life of other places ...i accept that the life other people is different....but watching them one can change their way of living cant accept it..ok if its some thing gud ,,then ok
one i went to SANA Shoping center with my family.i dont remember which year..but was b4 1998...as we finished shopping..we went to the counter...there i saw an asian girl wearing mini skirt...everyone feel shame to see her in that dress...one arab guy warned her to go from there or change her dress..she didnt even bother about what man was saying...that guy call a police..and police came there and arrest the girl...
so there is so much differene in that time and now...i dont like to call this country a ISLAMIC country now....
well am a girl working as well but in hijab .... its not that am very old ...to knw my culture or some think ....its all bout the belive
jony yes thats true ..to whom will we balme ,,but the girls themselve have to knw their culture by seeing their elders ryt ...i never ware western cloths...am alwayz in hijab thought am in collage
its only bout the muslims girls ... changing themselves to live like westerns ..well i mean to say that ... where is that way when no girl was seen without hijab ..n
daru ..i knw its modern age but islam is islam ..this has not change then y the girls ... n i hope there is any other girls on this thread to knw more bout it
impressive well you know technology is getting advanced life is getting advanced every thing. Simpy say this is the ear of Modernisation. you are asking why only females changed no males also changed. Be it East or West its all over the world now. Boys trying to look prettier cute so the girls get impressed with and girls trying to get more more prettier and slim to look perfect.there is alot about it.
salaam alykum.....is there any body to discuss on this topic ... it will be my pleasure to well come u all..waitng....to knw the reason y the muslims girls have changed their ways to western culture n so on...not even no whts ryt n wrong ..
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Time for u to step in and shut this down soon ... which would probably be the best idea since every 1 is getting all touchy about religion n stuff!!
They are all gorgeous and fine, living LA VIDA LOCA!
j/k
LOL
Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery
None but ourselves can free our minds..
That sounded like an attack.
It wasn't meant to be.
I can't take it that one religous code can be right.
My babies and everyone elses don't know any books or codes when they are born.
They are the same as people who have lived to an adult age, dut have not seen the books or codes.
They can not therefore be judged by them.
That would be the as just as me kidnaping all of you on this site, locking you up together and saying I will torture anyone who goes against my code.
But not telling you what the code is.
If that is God, and I don't believe it is, then I am doomed.
Be good, we all know what that is.
What more can any god ask for?
Are you saying people who have never been exposed to your religion will go to hell?
Avid once again a grim observation. Should I say the women who are wearing miniskirts are only doing so because the sex crazy culture of the west dictates they show as much skin as possible.Are the men in their lives demanding the dress as sexy as possible so they can show them off? Is it because they were molested as children so they dress this way because the have low self esteem. Disclaimer "Sarcasm"
If you drink you drink, if you eat pork yes you can find your pork. I think a lot of Westerners who come here become very sensitive about such things when they move to the Middle East or Muslim Countries. The same as I have seen some Muslims react to moving to the US. They want to hold on to their culture or comfort things so much so that they become paranoid. They each attack the other culture with ferocity and disrespect without trying to accept that every culture has its good and bad parts.
Are the French people the ones who dictate fashion or is it the fashion industry which is made up of many corporations who answer to their shareholders not the everyday common man. The emperor has new clothes....
I would like to make a suggestion take a deep breathe before you hit the post button.
Act your age not your shoe size
If you want to have loads of sheep er sorry followers you need a judgement day. You just don't attract the crowds without one. Religion as Marx said is the Opiate of the masses, in days gone by before science, a higher being was the explanation for everything, I image that Tsunami would have raised a few eyebrows 1000 years ago and no doubt that would have been used by which ever religion was quick enough to jump on it.
Nothing wrong with that at all what is quite clearly wrong is going to war over it or killing people becase of it.
In Noori's case as she is here, I agree with a poster above, I very much expect that her male dominated houshold makes her wear the Nikab, because as we all now know there is nothing laid down in the book to make people wear it. Dress with modesty is the pharse used.
Sadly back then fashion was still in its infancy and Paris was yet to discover the catwalk, it was mostly sack cloth and hessian.
Anyway had fashion been more advanced and saying that, society in general then the book could have been more specific. No mini skirts, or boob tubes. I don't mind you drawing pictures just get my right side. If you want to have sex before marriage great just don't tell anyone (hang on that already goes on) Burger King is OK McDonalds is out. H&M yes Benneton NO. Things like that.
But I return to the orginal point, no judgement day you just aint gonna get the numbers to justify the rent on the places of worship.
If they aint scared they aint gonna care.
Anyway I ramble
I have lived on and off in the ME for the past 8 years or I should say I have been living in countries where the majority of the people are Muslim to be more accurate. I don't see anything wrong with people or cultures as a whole changing over time. It is simply an inevitability. Every culture on Earth has changed, to include its dress code, over its existence. Many times in most cases. You cannot blame it only on external influences such as foreigners living in Doha. People have to want to change before they actually do. I hardly believe that Allah wishes to stunt a woman's mind and send her to hell, because she wear jeans and a t-shirt.
All this talk of going to hell and judgement day seems to me to be out of our lane since every holy book mentioned in this thread leaves Judgement to Yahweh/God/Allah. Besides, it isn't wise to cast your convictions on others and to pass judgement on people who do not share your belief system. This is how extremists are born and made and someone who is so extreme that they cannot accept or tolerate someone else's differences is just wrong.
Personally, most of the Arab women I have seen in Doha have changed very little in my observations since 2000. They also seem to adhere to their religious and cultural rules for the most part. There are the random groups that have elected for change, but even these women are hardly scantily dressed. I also would suggest not seeing the changes as a threat to your culture Noori. Your culture in Qatar is evolving, hopefully for the better. There will always be people who adhere to the old ways (there are still bedouins, afterall). Your clothing does not define your culture and the changes you describe hardly seem threatening.
Sorry Randr, I don't actually wear mini-skirts, I don't think they suit me. But I will fight for other girls rights to wear them!
I feel your scorn and I accept it-Jon Stewart
You go gypsy. Wear mini skirts and enjoy yourself...
The most important is "Wear your attitude" - That is real you!!!
Thank you guys, that was just too funny. I loved the part of when Gipsy will meet Noor in the judment day, that is, when the deserts turn into forests.
Noor, as someone said before, live and let live. Why does it bother you so much what others want to wear or the way they practise their religion. So much preaching for nothing, take a hard look at your self and judge YOUR actions only.
So noori, are you going to start another thread about how muslim men are forgetting their culture?
Because the last time I checked the Quran, drinking alcohol and whoring and committing adultery was haram, as was harassing and sexually assaulting women.
Aviduser I wasn't bashing anyones religion, I was simply saying that there is no point in telling me that I am going to burn in hell when I don't believe I will. I find it funny that people think just because they tell me that I'm going to change my beliefs! Religion is only as powerful as the belief people have in it, if nobody believes it has no power.
I feel your scorn and I accept it-Jon Stewart
Islam didn’t ask you to cover your face! It’s the men in your life (father, brother, etc) who force you to do so. For them your face is no different then a sexual organ needs to be covered. If it’s a so called Qatari tradition, how come our first lady isn’t wearing it?
DEMAND THE IMPOSSIBLE!"
I am from the west. Even when I wasn't practising Islam, I thought it was madness. We grew up poor so to me fashion and McDonald's were not a big deal. All we cared about is if it the clothes were clean and if they fit. A homemade burger was just as good as Mcdonalds.
People didn't care about those things when I was growing up. The world has gotten crazy though in the last twenty years. For the Americans remember cutoff jean shorts do you see them anymore, ohh only rednecks still wear them. Even the West has lost its values to commercialism so don't give me that crap. A lot of younger people from the West can see because they don't remember building guns out of wood sticks and rubberbands. If it is not Nintendo, Sega or Ipod, Gucci, Prada we don't know. The same is happening here in Qatar and around the world.
Act your age not your shoe size
Alaikum ya tayeeben
I am talking shite self deleted !! Can't be bothered just feel sorry for some people. They are never gonna get we are never gonna get it forget about it.
qd06...ur self...gud write up..i like it... well guys to let u knw am just 22yrs... n think y am i talking to u this way...though am in this century...want to feel comfortable in abaya, hijab n cover the face as am away from all the badeffect..alhumdurillah
The lament I think from Noori is not about expressing freedom but the lose of identity and culture. Do you go to Japan and see women in Kimono's anymore? Do you see the women in Africa wearing the pretty dresses with the wonderfully bright colors. Do you see the Arab men in their thobes or different head wraps or scarves depending on the region? If I go to Pakistan will I see people wearing Shalwar/ Qamees. Do the people have to abandon their dress and their culture to become modern?
Stop trying to flip the discussions.
Act your age not your shoe size
Oryx......... can u plz finish it....its over..and everyone agree to leave others on there believe....what u say about a small meeting i asked for..do u agree...
i fact many...with abaya n amny without abaya.....yes u r true am scard of ALLAH n no one else....
every think normal till the time we die ...so take ur way ...ok
wish u gud luck......
:)
Noori,
Welcome to the world. The media, movies, and television are mmaking everyone homogeneous. If you are modern you have to dress and look the part as stipulated by the people in control of your images.
You are no longer Chinese, Korean, Arab, African, Pakistani, or Indian. You are all Hollywood starlets who are a size two with long flowing hair, blue eyes( or blue contacts), blonde hair. You all speak engrish or english or engarish. You can be the darkest woman on the planet but you wear pasty white makeup and garishly red lipstick. If your hair is curly or nappy you have to straighten it.
The view of modernism is not to make you intelligent or independent but to make you depedent on the makeup, stylists, and all the wonderful products we have to sell you. This is the condition in Qatar and all over the world.... In order to succeed in business/life you have to have one blue suit, and a black one, be six feet tall and look like a cowboy. oh wait thats how we choose presidents and leaders.
Aghhh modern fashion makes no sense to me. Anyone who actually lives and works out in the sun knows that the more skin you expose to the sun the hotter you will be. Its called cover yourself with light airy cloth like cotton or linens not get buck naked. Italian cut suits/shirts and hip hugger jeans are not cute :-) they just make you walk funny.
Act your age not your shoe size
Noori you sound like a scared lady. I enjoy having the right to choose and respect other people's right to do so.
A girl meeting a boyfriend is normal and healthy if you see it differently that is your choice but don't expect other people to agree with you.
May I ask you how many times have you caught Westerners in Abeyas with nothing on underneath? Do you go out and check?
johny.....
well am sorry if i hearted anyones feeling ...well its not to dicide but just a small debat on this topic...guys
be happy ... n respect others...respect ur parents n love them till the end
may Allah keep u all happy .......
am with u johny
We shouldnt bash their religion, we don't beleive in it and at the end of the day everyone is welcome to their own views. If that means that you never expose any part of their bodies well good for them, If they want to live their life like that for the hope of entering paradise well go ahead. I certainly hope there is one because imagine the disappointment if it didn't materialise. Man you are gonna be really annoyed.
As there is no proof of any of this heaven, hell paradise or judgement day then I am going to take my chances by drinking eating having sex before marriage and all the other amazing sins that were laid down over 1300 years ago.
After all we have one shot at this life with absoloutly NO guarantee of an afterlife so I'm going for it now just in case.
Now of course if there was any evidence of an afterlife even just a hint of proof then perhaps I could give it all up and make my girlfriend wear the Abaya, I might even wait till I am married to sleep with her again but until then I am sticking with what I know and what I can prove.
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whoz gana go where .. am talking bout the day of jugdment where u ,me an everyone is gonna stand in front Allah ...its only how people thinking ,,to have party n discos out there....
i hope every one in this thread kknws that we are just discussing n passing our thoughts ok... n to spread the ryt thought is not a crime ok .... have patience n think ....where we r ,, n wht r we doing wrong to ourself....
SOOOOOOOOO CHHHHHHHIiilll out dont fight...:)
Lets stop it here..
i have an idea...
better to not fight...eveyone have there own believe...
lets meet all of us on weekend...and have a small party...and say sorry to each other if we heart each other...and be good to each other...
whoz with me...reply plz...
this news is only for the muslim ladies n mens ..to take care of themselves....coz i knw gypsy u dont belive in religion .... then y u belive that u will die one day this saying is bye every religion .... lets meet on the day of judgment ,,,n will c where u stand....
an yes its often sen that ladies miss use the abaya like they go out to meet their boyfrnd,,just to hid themselves,,,n some time westerns wear it coz they dint wear any thing inside...others have this intension that we muslim girls do the same ...which is not true..n if this young generation is doing so ,,,then we have to warn our childrens n sisters n brothers....ryt
as am the youngest in this thread .... i got to see elder people with ...negetive comments
I kinda read the comments and I'm not going to get into this...all I'm going to say is "Live and Let Live" !
iam with gypsy atleast life will be party even after i die..and all the booze not to forget the rest of the things lol
Stop worring about this topic think about the police u still need to go there and make some plans for that ok.
noori ...u dont have to decide who will go to hell and who will not...its ALLAH who knows well about HEARTS....
Have you asked the girls you mention this question? What do they say?
Wow noori, that's some God you've got there, I can see why you follow him so passionately, do what men say or end up in hell. That's a great out look on life. I'll take my chances with Hell thank you...at least all the fun people will be there. :P
I feel your scorn and I accept it-Jon Stewart
so genesis,,can u tell me the reason y they wore that batoola.. so on for ,,,,a part from the culture .... if ur a qatari u might be a muslim also ryt ....u would understand Quran much better then a non arab ..if not wrong....
yes JBM these people will go to hell,,,,coz there is no god but Allah .... there is hadith from our prophet(P.B.U.H)
if any women exposes her any part ..that women will not even smell the heaven ..so forget bout going to heaven .....if u come to knw that whts happening with those dead bodies of such womens n non muslims ..u will love to go away from every one n just pray to Allah...every one knws that one day we have to die .....
even the smoke of hell fire would melt u down...its not easy
Although as many of u will notice I hardly post anything but I read almost everything here. I get angry sometimes and laugh other times, but I also as Charmed said was waiting for "the west is bad bit". People we are in a century where any person is free to CHOOSE religion, outfit, culture, food, language, etc… I have heard, read many Christians convert to other religions specially from the west so WHATS WRONG if Muslim girls dress freely (but within limits) and take of the hijab, after all its their life and they ONLY LIVE ONCE>>.
As for the Skirt::: U DON’T LIKE IT DON’T LOOK ,U GET OFFENDED TURN YOUR HEAD TO THE OTHER SIDE, in that way you have proved to yourself your beliefs and determination.
PS: johny_boiei IT'S Snooker not snokker and its Swimming not Swinning
LIVE AND LET LIVE
Why do people constantly bring up the divorce rate in the west as an example of how bad the west is? How many times do I have to say that Qatar has one of the highest divorce rates in the world? And what's wrong with not making people stay in crappy marriages?
Noori, women can and should wear whatever they want to, as men do. THere is nothing shameful about wearing a low cut top.
Johny, I don't follow any religious book at all. I don't follow the Bible or the Torah or the Quaran and I think all three are full of crap written by MEN thousands of years ago and should be tossed in the trash.
I feel your scorn and I accept it-Jon Stewart
am not insulting them i respect every women ..its only that they have changed alot in the way like they are wearing outfits...if they wearing abaya its too the body shape...well
it so happened that even some non muslims feel ashamed when they see other ladies wearing such cloths that show their body...
well its only for those who understands the topic ok
genesis ....i ment ABAYA by HIJAB...
but not wearing Jeans or tight pants under abaya and open ur abaya while walking in shoping malls and show others what u wear...
what u call that now...
Leave the Arabs alone, leave the Asian alone and leave the Western alone! be contented what you are and where you're from, leave other peoples business so you guys are not fighting! Otherwise we have to ask the QL members to start saving funds for us to have an Arena for people to bash each other! what you say QL members? he! he! he!
Just keep dancing, it will do you good!
No body is saying West is bad or East is Good Human live east and Human live West. Its all about where u come from and how were u brought up and how u lived in a society. Civilization have changed everything age to age.and still alot more will come no one knows. SO you Guys just stop fighting and arguing else This Man Tabilan you know than :D DaRuDe
I respect religions that don't want to hurt people.
There are people in remote parts of the world who have no knowlege of our religions.
They live by their own cultural rules and some of them run around naked.
They are also good people who do their best for others and live by codes that are just and good.
Are these people going to hell?
And I’m against NIQAB. It’s not Islamic & unnatural. Name it what you want. It’s a lousy excuse for men to have dominance over women & its complete oppression. It’s not a Qatari tradition (and limited to Qataris from Bedouin/tribal heritage). The Qatari women tradition dress is known for decades to be the ‘abaya ‘& ‘shayla’, elder wear goshwa & batoola to cover their faces.
if they saw their own wives on a regular basis. Why not let them move their families to Qatar rather than let them home once every two to three years?
charmed ...i didnt say that west is bad...its about the difference b/t the cultures...they say why we talk about 13000 years ago..we have to look at new era and modren age...i just said that if they dont like other to talk about old things...then they have to change there book and religion..becoz its also old...
They want to give the name TERRORIST to JIHAD...they dont want us to believe over LAST PROPHET..they want us to believe them...
Hey Charmed,
Won't say that "the west is bad"; because it's not.
You know what, we see want we want to see, those who blame others for their mistakes always complain and never move forward.
I could see some parties from both sides who cause this uncomfortable enviroment. We are to make friends, have fun, benifit from each others' expereince and knoweledge. We'd better communicate and reduce the distance between us NOT CLASH or create fights for no use.
I pray for better world and loving people
salaam
well ,,,u knw just now when i left for lunch in the canteen with my collegues ..there was one lady wearing outfits ..with deep neck...all the mens in that canteen,,including waiters were watching her from top to bottem ... this shows that she is just like an entertainment for every one every day .... so its just like ur showing ur body to every one ....
i was wtaching this thread and wondered how long it would take to get to the west bashing part!! I love this bit!! Come on everybody chant with me " the west is bad, the west is bad" lol!!!
Gypsy ........ nice to hear that....Lets see what time will show u...if u r saying i m talking about 13000 years ago...ya i m
its mean u have to change ur holy book then and ur religion also..becoz it seems old too..isnt it
in west above 18 and + can arrest there parents if they show there hands to them...and u r talking about freedom...checkout the percentage of DIVORCE in west...for both males and females its very easy to give a DIVORCE..rather to love someone...
Obviously you haven't been here when the temputures hit 55 in the shade Privet or you wouldn't say keeping your legs cool so sarcastically. And there are two kinds of reaction, one is a look, the other is copping a feel. If you wear a mini-skirt you expect and want to be looked at, it is not an invitation to cop a feel, and only a jerk or pervert would think so.
I feel your scorn and I accept it-Jon Stewart
Johny my God tells me to wear mini-skirts, drink alcohol, eat pork, have pre-marital sex and stand up for what I believe in. :)
I feel your scorn and I accept it-Jon Stewart
Yes, nice to look at but what is the real intensions of women whom venture out in mini-skirts, just keeping the legs and all cool in the hot weather?
You can be proud of your body without flashing your ass to attract male attention surely, then calling them all perverts and jerks when they react. I sense hypocrisy in you with this one. And I like mini-skirts.
Privet.
No one is forcing any one here or imposing their Habits Religion or on any one. All was asking about suggestions and opinions you guys are taking it on ur selves. Avoid that.
i don't think you can use a quote from around 1300 years ago to justify the wearing or not wearing of mini skirts.
Gypsy ...u know very well who is ruling on ur heart and mind...
Dosent matter GOD id giving u a time to understand...
There is no power than GOD...And if anyone like to be GOD
and as usual GOD always tell that there is Only one Power and thats a GOD...
I think you are being very harsh and rather insulting generalising about muslim women like that noori. You should have some more respect many Qatari girls adhere to their religion and are proud to do so. For many I don't see many great detrimental changes in the last 5 years - I don't see Qatari girls go down the disco - but I do seem them becoming educated and participating more in the economy.
How about some input here;
http://www.qatarliving.com/node/12724
Im a new convert here in Qatar. I wear hijab which I dont do before, though I got beautiful hair as they say ;) I wear long skirt which I wasnt comfortable before... and so on and so on.
My point is it is conviction of the heart and respect for other people's right. You are in an Islamic Country, respect their cultures, and that doesnt mean wearing Hijabs and long skirt, but dress and act properly. If you cant, you have also choices, do and wear everything you want inside your home or live in a place or a country where people will not even bother if you are walking in two- piece.
Changes are happening not only in Qatar, it is everywhere. Bottom line is... respect for yourself and for others.
Peace! :)
**Work like you dont need the money, love like you've never been hurt and dance like no one is watching**
No man rules me or any other woman Johny. ;)
I feel your scorn and I accept it-Jon Stewart
on this part only:
"well it's God's job to judge me, not anyone elses"
I'm sorry the last time I checked MY God didn't say I couldn't wear a mini-skirt, drink alcohol or eat pork, and should I choose to and by some stretch of the imagination displease God, well it's God's job to judge me, not anyone elses.
I feel your scorn and I accept it-Jon Stewart
Volume 9, Book 89, Number 264: Narrated Ma'qil:
I heard the Prophet saying, "Any man whom Allah has given the authority of ruling some people and he does not look after them in an honest manner, will never feel even the smell of Paradise."
Volume 9, Book 89, Number 251: Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "Whoever obeys me, obeys Allah, and whoever disobeys me, disobeys Allah, and whoever obeys the ruler I appoint, obeys me, and whoever disobeys him, disobeys me."
Good question johny, I suppose you could also ask why Muslims want to wear hijab and niqab and not drink liquor or eat pork in Western countries?
I feel your scorn and I accept it-Jon Stewart
I am away to arrange a loan for a Porche Cayenne then.
Nothing is forcing ( or should be forcing) women to wear hijab either noor. Good for them if they don't want to, good for them if they do.
I feel your scorn and I accept it-Jon Stewart
just ask Westrens that own countries is not enough to wear mini skirts..there countries r not enough for them to drink or sell lickers...why they want to show themselfs in Muslim countries...?
just tell Westrens that own countries is not enough to wear mini skirts..there countries r not enough for them to drink or sell lickers...why they want to show themselfs in Muslim countries...?
nothing is stopping u from wearing hijab ,,no one killing us ,,,,but the ladies think exposing themselves can make the work much better ....n yes ...
n yes johny u can see the weather of doha,,changing ryt ..n the stoams coming .....
n in Quran its already mentioned that ...b4 the end of the world..their will be such changes coming
1. like changes in the weather
2.changes in the culture
3.the desert will be forest
an so on...well guys its my time for prayer n lunch ...will come back soon ...be here
Salaam
At least you didn't disagree that niqab prevents women from being active members of society iwael. I was really referring to ditching the shackles of the culture here, rather than hijab itself. It's a womans choice and if less women are wearing it, then that is good because it means their excercising their freedom of choice.
I feel your scorn and I accept it-Jon Stewart
Just wana say..Arabs have lost there CULTURE...
Most people ask that why GOD send MUHAMMAD(P.B.U.M) as a LAST PROPHET in ARABS...
The reason is clear that.THEY ARE BLIND FROM HEATS.
Westerns introduce there culture and Arabs accept it..do Arabs ever think that Westrens dont even bother about Islamic Culture
I really don't think there is anything shameful about the human body.
So she decided to wear a mini skirt. Big deal. It hardly merits being arrested and challenged by other members of the public.
If everybody started wearing mini skirts its not going to end civilisation as we know it.
How is it shameful to wear a mini-skirt. A girl should be proud of her body, not shamed by it.
I feel your scorn and I accept it-Jon Stewart
i think its all of westerns coming to doha ryt..b4 the population was not much here ... n we can hardly see europians in doha ,,,but now every where ..phillipnos n American ..welll cant controll them .......
Dear Gypsy,
I really appreciate your input to the threads in QL, you surely enrich any discussion BUT I don't agree with you this time.
Hijab doesn't, didn't, and won't stop gorls from particiapting in life nor development. I can see all around me women in Hijab and doing great job. They are great mothers, amazing employees, bright managers, and many other things.
All they are doing by wearing the hijab, is obeying Allah's commands and protecting theirselves from ...... (won't name them).
Their minds are open, educated, and in many times they beat the men in different feilds.
Go girls WITH HIJAB and keep the good work.
I lived in Middle East for 12 years and I think I will miss it.
It looks unique to me and it makes a difference seeing different type of people. if I don't see Arab woman in hijab or Abaya (as we call in Saudi), then were no longer in Middle East! I think that's sad if they change completely. How am I supposed to show my future grandchildren how they dress if they are all into modern dress? just by photos? not enough. something should be preserve. being modern is one thing but to completely change is another thing. Some old things like antiques still looks nice and adorable.
Just keep dancing, it will do you good!
The Last Prophet Muhammad(P.B.U.M) said
"When there is no shame in the society.And no one like to stop the bad things.Then there will be a bad time for sure"
Good for her! More mini-skirts I say.
I feel your scorn and I accept it-Jon Stewart
Well to be frank ..these girls are spoiled by watching movies n life of other places ...i accept that the life other people is different....but watching them one can change their way of living cant accept it..ok if its some thing gud ,,then ok
one i went to SANA Shoping center with my family.i dont remember which year..but was b4 1998...as we finished shopping..we went to the counter...there i saw an asian girl wearing mini skirt...everyone feel shame to see her in that dress...one arab guy warned her to go from there or change her dress..she didnt even bother about what man was saying...that guy call a police..and police came there and arrest the girl...
so there is so much differene in that time and now...i dont like to call this country a ISLAMIC country now....
I think it's great. Time to toss off the niqab and hijab and be active members of society. Go Girls!
I feel your scorn and I accept it-Jon Stewart
well am a girl working as well but in hijab .... its not that am very old ...to knw my culture or some think ....its all bout the belive
jony yes thats true ..to whom will we balme ,,but the girls themselve have to knw their culture by seeing their elders ryt ...i never ware western cloths...am alwayz in hijab thought am in collage
a mind of their own and decide how to dress eh?
Next they will be asking for equal rights or something equally preposterous.
its only bout the muslims girls ... changing themselves to live like westerns ..well i mean to say that ... where is that way when no girl was seen without hijab ..n
daru ..i knw its modern age but islam is islam ..this has not change then y the girls ... n i hope there is any other girls on this thread to knw more bout it
u r so right man...yes we accept doha is devlop so much now...but why muslim girls forget there culture...
i was born here...as i remember in past years..i hardly seen any girl or a women on road or anywhere else...if any they wear Hijab..
but now its totaly change...its not there fault..its all becoz of the people who allow them to comeout....whome to blame now...
impressive well you know technology is getting advanced life is getting advanced every thing. Simpy say this is the ear of Modernisation. you are asking why only females changed no males also changed. Be it East or West its all over the world now. Boys trying to look prettier cute so the girls get impressed with and girls trying to get more more prettier and slim to look perfect.there is alot about it.
in Qatar should be wearing the Hijab or do you mean Western women worldwide should be wearing it?
salaam u there ..to say any thing bout this situation or u also havent seen this happing in doha
well can u tell me western culture cannot change their way to covering with hijab n so on ..y these girls have to do like westerns do ...any comments
When did this happen?
salaam alykum.....is there any body to discuss on this topic ... it will be my pleasure to well come u all..waitng....to knw the reason y the muslims girls have changed their ways to western culture n so on...not even no whts ryt n wrong ..