NHS covering hymen reconstruction :(
Now this is one of those things I hate about my country. We've got people with cancer who can't get the treatment they need, but we are willing to shell out for women to be able to pretend they are virgins on their wedding nights. WTF?
More women becoming virgins again with hymen replacement operations on the NHS
Increasing numbers of women are having taxpayer-funded ‘virginity repair’ operations before marriage. There were 116 hymen replacement operations carried out on the NHS between 2005 and 2009. The total for 2009 was 30, up 25 per cent from 24 in 2005. The health service figures, which do not include data on the religion or marital status of the individuals, seem to echo a trend reported by private clinics, which are seeing a huge surge in demand for the procedure from Muslim women paying up to £4,000.
One Harley Street clinic said that demand for its half-hour procedure had tripled in recent months.Doctors say patients are under pressure from future husbands or relatives who insist that they should be virgins on their wedding night.
Critics, including moderate Muslim groups, have condemned the trend as a sign of the spread of Islamic fundamentalism in the West.
During the hymenoplasty procedure – viewed by some as invasive and degrading – the hymen is stitched or reconstructed so that it will tear again and bleed on the woman’s wedding night. In some cases, the vaginal lining can be used to create a false hymen. A blood capsule can then be inserted into the lining to ensure realistic blood flow when the membrane is broken.
Consultant gynaecologist Dr Magdy Hend performs hymenoplasty under local anaesthetic at his Regency Clinic on Harley Street. He charges £1,850 for the half-hour procedure and says that most of his clients are Muslim women.
He said: ‘In the past, we would do one or two hymen reconstruction operations a week. Sometimes now, we get two or three women a day. Demand has tripled.
‘Our Muslim clients worry about having had sex, and their fiance and family knowing that they have been touched before.
‘It is more cultural rather than religious. If the bride is not a virgin and does not bleed on the wedding night, it is a big shame on the family. There have been honour killings in extreme cases."
‘It is simple surgery that takes only half an hour. They can have it done at lunchtime and do not have to give their real names and addresses.’
Imam Dr Taj Hargey, chairman of the Muslim Educational Centre in Oxford, called on the Muslim community to try to reverse the trend. He said: ‘The situation is very common in the Middle East where there is a huge scandal that can lead to divorce or even honour killings if there are not bloodstained bed sheets after the wedding night.
‘It is very disappointing that Muslim women in this country feel they need to lead a double life, resorting to subterfuge surgery.
‘That is not conducive to either their psychological or spiritual health and it is hypocrisy and double standards because Muslim men are doing as they please with women.’
There have been calls for a ban on NHS surgeons carrying out the operations for women wanting to marry as virgins. But a Department of Health spokesman insisted that hymen repair operations take place on the NHS only to ensure a patient’s physical or psychological health. She said: ‘The NHS does not fund hymen repair operations for cultural reasons. All operations on the NHS are on the basis of clinical need.
‘Operations to repair the hymen are only carried out exceptionally to secure physical or psychological health.’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1298684/Surge-virginity-repair-o...
No Muslim bashing please because this is a practice of a number of eastern cultures. My point of posting it here is to consider what the limits of free public medical treatment should be. Is there any justification for such a policy?
Why did they remove the word who re?
there ya go.
but that still does not help those who are denied life saving medicine because the money goes to, for example, hymen restoration.
I've been thinking about this one and these women will go straight to hell. Not only have they committed one of the greatest sins by having sex outside of marriage but they are lying to their husbands saying they are virgins and pure, when in fact they are liars are whores. Even though they had the surgery god will know and will send them to hell while the good husband and kids will go to heaven. Splitting the family for eternity
Is he in the Porno Industry?
What parents would give such a name to their kid?
The family must be involved in the Porno film industry too.
There's actually a guy called Buster Hymen :O)
LOL Rishimba.....you are so right!
Now it's time to compose an overture
"hymn for the defloration"
And an entr'acte
"hymn for the restoration of the hymen"
And that is why it is a big issue.
if there is such a big issue over this small tissue...just pay for it dammit..
seal it,tighten it, decorate it, puff it..but bloody well pay for it.
dont waste other's money on it..
decision to cover hymen reconstruction:
Virginity repairs and an NHS that's lost its way
By AMANDA PLATELL
Three months ago, Bill Phelps became a widower — he watched, helpless, as his cancer-stricken young wife Nikki’s life slowly ebbed away. Nikki, 37, a former teacher and mother of two-year-old twins, was denied the drug that might have saved her life, as it was deemed too costly by her NHS Primary Care Trust. I wonder, then, how Mr Phelps feels after reading yesterday’s report that the NHS is happy to foot the bill for young women to have ‘virginity repairs’?
How can it be right that the mother of his two little boys was condemned to death by an NHS that put women’s desire to appear ‘untouched’ before the right of a mother to live as long as she can to raise her children? Latest figures show that there has been a 25 per cent rise in hymen replacement operations carried out on the NHS over the past four years.
And, while there is no way of knowing the ethnic, cultural or religious background of the women undergoing these procedures, we do know that there has been a three-fold increase in Muslim women having the operation done privately — fearful that a future husband might discover they were not a virgin on their wedding night.
Might some of the rise in NHS cases be for the same reason? The NHS insists that it carries out the procedure only ‘to secure physical or psychological health’. The same justification is often used for state-funded cosmetic procedures such as breast reductions. Whatever the case, I find it astonishing that at a time when women are dying because they can’t get cancer treatment, other women are having their virginity repairs paid for by the State.
Let me be clear: I have every sympathy for a woman, of whatever cultural origin, who is so fearful of an oppressive partner that she would seek surgery to restore her ‘purity’.
We must never forget that it’s certain men who are to blame for this, as they demand a standard of behaviour from their wives, sisters and daughters that they would not dream of applying to themselves.
But how can we defend aesthetic breast procedures, sex- change operations or hymen repairs at a time of crippling national debt, and when we have some of the worst cancer survival rates in Europe?
This week, Andrew Lansley, the new Health Secretary, announced that a new emergency fund will be operating to provide drugs such as Sutent, the one denied to Nikki Phelps. It’s too late for her, but all praise to Mr Lansley. Can he now combine common sense with compassion by bringing a much needed sense of priority to the NHS?
If it's imperative for a woman to be a virgin bride, then may I suggest a simple and less painful solution? Don’t have sex before your wedding day.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1299116/AMANDA-PLATELL-Virginity-repairs-NHS-thats-lost-way.html#ixzz0vHkREBmE
Frankestine is full of rust!
All women are full of lust, they disgust me at most times and turn me on the rest of the times.
exiled
lust is not specified to Christian girls.
great opportunity for the prostitutes to revamp their business..
I never realised the uk was full of drinking lusty Muslim girls hanging out in clubs trying to get a man for the night....
can have the bollox to expect their fiancees to be. I guess they look at it as an educational experience, and we know a lot of them don't believe in educating women. ;)
I agree it's better to marry a virgin so if you are crap in bed you have nothing to compare them against
Although, nh1030, has got me agreeing with him.. I still feel that since they know that in the end they're going to marry someone who wants a virgin, then they should save themselves ..... Rather than do naughty things..
Maybe if they sewed the abayas at the bottom they would not have this problem of all these lusty ladies in britain jumping on English men to get satsfied...
Haha that is an added incentive :o)
Yes, you may even be able to get free hymen reconstructive surgery .. :O)
Ah yes the bigger picture and the greater good, bullshyte terms used by politicians everywhere.
I am seriously contemplating migrating to UK now, I will be a minority so will be fun :)
I wrote to my MP about this, but nothing.
The problem is that ministers belive that we have elected them to make decisions on our behalf. Thus they feel justified in actions such as going to war.
Just because a "large number of perople" complain, they take the view that this is not a majority and anyway, we the ordinary public do not see the big picture.
I once argued this issue with my local MP and strongly felt that in modern technological age , it would not be too difficult to hold a referendum and go with the majority. His view was that it would take time and be exopensive.
Many are abusing the system.
elective plastic surgery or hair transplants :)
of not treating drug addicts and alcoholics is far greater than the potential death of a woman whose family can't handle the fact that she is not a virgin. Sure maybe that will save a court case and the cost of imprisonment if her father or brothers kill her, but then do we really need to be protecting someone from themselves that is really capable of doing that? My point is these "honour murderers" don't go out and cost the larger society much money, and drug addicts and alcoholics do. In my view it is one of how best to spend the public's money to treat our health problems and protect us from larger social ills.
Things like this only happen in the west where we are besieged by guilt from our colonial past. We're a patsy for this kind of tripe. lol
not necessary one must indulge in sexual act to get the hymen ruptured,there can be many reasons like girls involved in to sports,cycling etc etc.
Ok here is what I don't understand about the functioning of the government there since nh brought the war issue in.
Iraq war- A huge number of people protested about taxpayers' money being wasted in a needless war and the lives of the soldiers being put at risk. What did the government do, didn't listen to them and went ahead anyway and years later are still funding it though the majority want them to come back.
Now a handful of people want the government to pay for getting their hymens sealed and government listens to them and agrees.
I mean our governments don't listen to us at all, majority or minority but this soft corner for minorities when you are ignoring majority's demands doesn't seem like the best way forward.
so the cocaine , alcahol, nicotine (spelling), etc addicts should all self fund as well?
as the article says, xxxpat, a non virgin can lead to family fueds and death.
WK : marriage + no death = better quality of life (for most people in the hymen predicament), simple really.
to make it clear, I AGREE WITH YOU GUYS ON A PERSONAL LEVEL THAT THE NHS SHOULD TELL THESE PEOPLE TO SELF FUND OR F OFF,
however, we should do the same for ALL self imposed 'illnesses' if we are going down that path
I do worry though that some may abuse the systembut having thought it through.. I would tend to agree with you..
I remember arguing with a doctor friend about NHS prescribing Viagra..
lol
A sealed hymen leads to good quality of life??
Oh dear!!!
THEMSELVES. Can I be any clearer nh?
And btw, the Cocaine addict becomes a huge problem for society with ongoing health expenses and contributing to crime. A non-virgin doesn't.
vanity, what else
the way i see it......for a minute, lets just move away from the fact that this is 'hymen replacement' - in principle - is it not the same as saying to a cocaine addict " you chose to take cocaine, hence we will not use taxpayer funds to try to rid you of your addiction"
as an ex-NHS manager, the NHS does not look at WHY a condition exists before picking up the remedial costs, rather it weighs out the costs in terms of added quality of life for the patient.
sure , i understand the 'hymen' issue is unique, and to be completely frank, i dont think NHS should fund it either, but if the NHS has a principle it applies then it must be applied uniformly and without prejudice - to ADD LIFE QUALITY......
I agree with you about the waste and costs of war. This issue is different. It is nothing to do with helping minority groups. If these women want the surgery, then they should fund it themselves..
but this is not about the war. It is about the principle of providing an operation that allows women to hide the fact that they are not virgins at taxpayer expense. Give to a private fund if you choose, like I suggested to cockaroach.
I thought so too! Thats why I asked.
edifis it was whyteknight ;)
Who was that?
but STILL don't support abuses of the NHS and taxpayer money.
A great man once said, "Virginity is as over-rated as sex"
love it how brits get uptight about use of taxpayers money to fund a minority community in its cultural 'health' issues. lets be honest, all in all, its probably not more than GBP50K to 100K p/a total.
at the same time billions of british (i'm a briton too)taxpayer pounds are being squandered in illegal wars and occupation in countries where the 'hymen minority' have probably been displaced from in the first place.
long live the queen
and I don't think any man has been threatened for doing that ;)
Ex ex, it is called "sowing the oats", as far as I know. ;)
Men don't need this operation because no one cares if they are not virgins. Hell, men are praised for "being a man" ;)
welcome to mine. It is called discussion with exchange of views. I would suggest that the liberal kow-towers like you give your money to a private fund if you are concerned about this but don't take it out of the taxpayer's money.
LOL Jack... good point!!
Hope they keep it on silent mode... dont want to see a singing anus...
No Dot I use Qtel.
Ooouch...Does a horse have a penis on it's back?
edifis
any idea about success ratio??
btw, virgin mobile had gave up for two years, can i borrow yours.
The Great Islamic Kingdom of Britain?
Soon.
They can also loose it by riding...donkeys like Rizks...lol
Khattak, patients would usually not be aware that their hymen is not intact if it was damaged by other means like horse-riding etc.
Yes ..com. Insert a Virgin mobile in your anus and put in on vibrating mode.
So, the hymen gets damaged only by having sex?
and why to take carrot, if you can't digest ;) j/k
exexexpat
any option for male patient, if they are not virgin, and want to re gain virginity?
but I am asking for proof that "Islamic norms of morality is spreading all over the world. For examples in the recent world cup there was very little nudity apparant in the gallary compared to previous world cups. Even in western countries extra marital relations and AIDS are decreasing due to the influence of Islamic values."
I have seen no studies or any proff of that being the case
This gets my goat too (Sorry Dracula).
The liberal namby pamby brigade are using terms like cultural pressure, stress, depression to justify this. I have no problem with women wanting to have this operation, BUT not at the taxpayers' expense.
Legal pad do you need that kind of surgery?
Uhhh,ohh...tensions boiling:[email protected] know its ur views,but put also in perspective that this is a forum,ur not the only one who cud be righteous here...
This is disgusting. Any woman that has already been shagged should learn to deal with it or she shouldn't have had sex with a well hung British guy in the first place
Do they have anus replacement instead of hymen replacement operations on the NHS?
xxxpat and whtyeking dont know english? I actually endorsed your view and didnt oppose it.
Please get this into perspective. Muslim women as well as those of many other cultures have no realistic chance of marriage and a future if they have lost their virginity before marriage. Of course the promiscuous and worldly realise that and such "reconstructions" are widely available in the Middle East in order to pretend that we are all lily white. In the UK the figure of 30 operations performed in 2009 reflects the society's recognition of the personal problems of women who have a problem with this. My bet is that with the problems faced by asylum seekers in leaving their own countries to arrive in the UK many will have been raped and so considered dishonoured. Who will blame anyone who will help innocent victims of their original culture? Exiled saint ffs stop trying to insult others without sparing a thought why highly educated people from your own society think that this is a wise spending of UK NHS funding.
@WK:hmmm..i see,ur doin ur homework very well!:P..
makemydayfriday you are misquoting Einstein, please correct the quote.
And here we are complaining about economic recessions,better allocate funds on something beneficial..>>>>>>>"There are only two things that are constant - the universe and human stupidity. I am not sure about the first."
It's actually immoral to have sex and then get an operation done to pretend to be virgin again. Maybe anonyalkult has different definition of morality :(
But the metaphor is more interesting because we have become a nation of sucklers, draining the "mother" dry and little desire to grow up and be independent and productive. Why should we, when the mother always offers her teat for nothing?
XXXpat...What I mean is a goat has only two nipples in it's udder. So what happens to the 3rd kid?
Care to provide links to the proof or are you just talking out your arse? ;)
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although I think the fact that it is used to create a dishonest view of virginity where it doesn't exists doesn't bode well for any relationship. What I object to is my tax dollars paying for it.
And it is NOT only muslim women, people. There are orthodox Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, and Catholics doing it too.
Hymenoplasty!!! Sounds like sticking a handyplast over there!
The original Brits have become like the third kid of a nanny goat!
Isn't it so XXXpat?
Lets not bash hymenoplasty here...people have their reasons to have it done. Who are we to judge anyone? What I am against is use of public money for it. It is misuse of funds. Those who want the procedure can go ahead and get it done spending their own money and government should be careful not to fund it.
Those who can't afford it and still wants virginity, restrain themselves from losing it in the first place. Let the free service be reserved to the procedures that is actually needed.
Islamic norms of morality is spreading all over the world. For examples in the recent world cup there was very little nudity apparant in the gallary compared to previous world cups. Even in western countries extra marital relations and AIDS are decreasing due to the influence of Islamic values. It is unfortunate some of the Muslims there are taking a reverse trend.
What kind of husband would fault his wife for something out of her control like rape? Beyond that, these cases often involve a double standard in that the woman's history is questioned and criticised, but the man's is applauded.
in another thread about how the current picture of multi-culturalism in the UK is bleak. I have always been a Labour supporter because the majority of their platform was geared towards helping the working and middle classes. But in the last 10 years they have gone stark raving mad, which can be clearly seen in our laws and judicial system.
That's just so....wrong!So the govt is gonna help women lie & cheat? Urrrrgh! I can't imagine anyone wanting to go through all that trouble in undergoing such surgeries & not making that much effort to stay a virgin. One may argue it could be used by victims of rape etc but still! Would you really want to marry a man who's going to judge you like that?And if so how's he going to prove his virginity? God! that sucks...
It must suck to be a born and brought up English lad right now. In their desire to appease the minorities the successive governments are alienating the majority of the people. I won't be surprised if there is a backlash soon.
where do you think it should be?
Or are you upset about the discussion. If so, just ignore it twat.
It is physical assault….
This is a serious issue, Islamic view…
Below mentioned statement is wrong
‘It is more cultural rather than religious. If the bride is not a virgin and does not bleed on the wedding night, it is a big shame on the family. There have been honor killings in extreme cases."
Who told this… only bullshit doctor’ view only…gynecologist Dr Magdy Hend.
But in the Uk we are bending over backwards to accommodate every little minority in our nation (like those "needing" hymen reconstruction) and letting the larger number of more common needs go wanting. We have started to cater completely to minorities using no sense at all.
And before people jump me, I am not referring to racial minorities. I am referring to a minority group in terms of their common "desire" or "needs", such as those who want to be "revirginized".
control you imaginations, this is a serious issue :-))
HaHa Women fcocked by Gov. sponsered cocks! Great Idea!
The Tax Payers would be happy
Or a government funded penis enlargement program ;)
It's a waste. First spend on tightening the hole....then spend on lubricants. It's a shame!
They could have started government funded sillicone implants instead!
its a waste of tax payer's money...better would be to use this money prudently on women's antenatal and post natal care or other related ailments..
Grrr.. Whatever..
Virginity can cause cancer..
What a load of crap. England really have lost it.
This is stupid. Any women will argue that they need hymen repair be to psychologically fit to get married and their wish would be granted with public funded money? This is misuse of the system. Why can't they make a list of procedures that are actually needed for healthy and productive life? How can one justify hymenoplasty as a requirement for health.
If they want virginity, stay virgin. As simple as that.