Opposing Views :Should Abortion Be Legalized?
I've been wanting to start this topic but it's been discussed couple of times way back (last year?) and quite a CONTROVERSIAL AND HIGHLY DEBATEABLE (spellcheck)by nature.
The key argument of this act is that a woman has a right to her own body. This is a true and correct statement. All people have a right to do to their own bodies what they will.
However, the fetus, or unborn baby, is a distinct individual. Even though it resides inside its mother, it is a separate entity genetically. From the moment of conception, it is an entirely separate genetic individual.
Therefore, the argument in favor of abortion on demand or abortion for convenience sake, that a woman has a right to do as she wishes to her own body, is not applicable to the question of abortion, since the mother's body is different from that of her baby, or fetus.
Abortion for medical reasons where the mother's life is in jeopardy?
Abortion in cases of rape and/or incest should be treated the same as abortion for medical reasons?
REMEMBER: battle against arguments - not people - ad hominem attacks are a sign of a failed argument.
IF the doctor says no the abortion is not performed. That's final.
However there's nothing to stop the woman from trying to perform one on herself.
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I know I'm the one you are referring to to your post, for argument sake, you said it is still the doctor to judge whether to perform the abortion or not (in your country), so if the doctor says no, and the lady says yes, who wins?
Legalizing it is just like legalizing murder. and the reason is threat to one's health and safety. Reasoning will always be there and who decides, one man, the doctor. If it is strictly medical view, fine, the doctor decides, but for other reasons, who decides?
"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
People with your level of English should also not be allowed :)
should never b Allowed...! nor cud b Legel..
ALINAZ
I your right, people against it do think that...they also think even if you don't want then go through the pregnancy and give it up for adoption , but the sad fact is pregnancy is not easy either, if you have a job that requires you to be on your feet all day, work crazy hours and in situations that are some times dangerous you still at some point will have to take time out from it so you still have to tell your boss your pregnant and will need time off and it can still cause complications in your career. Not to mention you have to explain to everyone why you went through the whole nine months and why you are still going to give the baby up....
"Your born, You Live, You Die, given this premise, one can conclude since we have no control over when we are born and when we die, the only thing that matters to us should be how we live, simple really?" Mis-Cat to her philosophy Lecturer.
I had a friend who had to terminate a pregnancy. Her life was very complicated and having the baby would probably ruin her life and all the family structure she had. Luckily she was at a place where she could do the abortion legally, so her life was not endangered. The amount of stress she had to deal with was enormous and I don't think she'll ever ever forget that.
A lot of ppl who are against abortions being legalised think that it's simple: you just go and get it done. The truth is, it's not. The emotional scars are there forever.
she did in fact terminate the pregnancy.....Abortion were she comes from is legal.....I know it was a hard decision for her and unlike what people may think it is a decision she had to bare alone, you can only be there to support the person.....
"Your born, You Live, You Die, given this premise, one can conclude since we have no control over when we are born and when we die, the only thing that matters to us should be how we live, simple really?" Mis-Cat to her philosophy Lecturer.
I agree with FatCat. Most importantly I would never make the decision for another woman. Having a child is and always will be a personal decision.
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Mis-Cat, what I would personally do is I would probably keep the baby. I don't think I would be able to live with the decision of terminating a pregnancy. But what I would do might not fit someone else's bill.
In the situation you have just described, if the lady wants an abortion, guess what, she'll have one even if abortion is not legal where she lives. She'll do it via other means, risking her life in the process.
Cher also stars in it as a Abortion clinic doctor who gets shot by so called "Right for Lifers"......
There are also other things to consider in this debate and there is one fact that no one has even brought up and that is no contraception is 100%...consider this,
what would you do if you were a 18y.o. girl your partner is 28y.o. and has a great career already, your career has all of a sudden taken off your star is rising...you have been on the pill for 4 years and so far you have been safe, for three days straight you have cramps which is nothing unusual for you except you don't actually have your period...considering your on the pill this is highly unusual so you go to see your doctor, you find out through various tests that your pregnant....what do you do...your BF doesn't want you to ruin your career...your heart is telling you to keep it..but your head and heart are also telling you that it's not the right time....this is all because your contraception failed.....so what would you do....
"Your born, You Live, You Die, given this premise, one can conclude since we have no control over when we are born and when we die, the only thing that matters to us should be how we live, simple really?" Mis-Cat to her philosophy Lecturer.
if the reasons can be justified (i.e. medical-life and death situation or incest/rape)...
abortion not being legal/allowed makes some woemn resort to backyard practices (as mentioned in earlier posts above) thus exposing the woman/mother to serious health/physical injuries, even death.
Septicemia (infection of the blood) which causes death, destroyed/damaged uterus due to extensive scapping thus the woman is unable to have children anymore, etc....
Then again, having unwanted uncared children susceptible to emotional, physical and mental abuse and neglect...
it's a no win situation whether you agree with abortion or not, really...
Actually if you want to read a book that will change your perspective on abortion read "The Cider House Rules" by John Irving, it's partially based on his own grandfather's experience. His grandfather was a gynecologist in the early 1900's and eventually threw away his religious ideals and became an illegal abortion doctor.
Also to all those people who say that "IF abortion was legalized there would be cheap abortion clinics on every street and women would use it as a form of birth control"
Canada has had legalized abortion since the 70's and I've never even seen a private abortion clinic, all abortions must be done through a government hospital, it's actually free and covered under Univeral Healthcare, but the stipulation is that the abortion must be approved by a doctor who says that having the child is a danger to the mothers physical or mental health. Now, the standing belief is that if a woman is actually asking for an abortion then not allowing one is a threat to her physical or mental health as you can't gurantee she won't go home and use a coat hanger on herself.
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I saw a movie called "If These Walls Could Talk". It deals with abortion from the perspective of 3 different generations. One of them is played by Demi Moore. She's a nurse and she lost her husband on the war (forgive me if I'm getting the story a little wrong, it's been a long time since I watched it). Anyway, she has a thing with her brother in law and falls pregnant. Now this is the 50s, so for her to have this baby would destroy her whole life since it would uncover the "affair" she had with her brother in law. Cutting a long story short, because abortion was illegal, she ended up sticking big needles inside herself. Then she called a "doctor" to perform the abortion at her kitchen table. She bled to death.
What I'm trying to say (and I think I'm repeating what Gypsy has already said) is that women will have abortions if they really want to. Legalizing it just helps the woman in the situation by not condemning her to die.
We continue to talk about the medical health of the mother being an issue, but what about the child. From my experience with unwanted children, especially those born of rape, incest or the children of abusers and drug addicts, almost 90% of the time they end up with serious mental and physical issues. Is it not better to terminate the pregnancy when the child is a fetus rather then condemn it to such a horrible life.
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understand...we're trying to save those 'endangered species' because of the possibility of extinction on this planet (for what?!).Aren't humans more precious than animals?
yes should be legalized for medical and few other reason.
Everybody is right everybody is wrong, it depend where you stand
I think it's like asking "should murder be legalized?"
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Im against abortion too, but it doesnt mean that if its not legalised it wont happen, a lot of women are still having abortions but the difference is they are resorting to backyard jobs, which i think is far worse than actually doing in a hospital woth proper medical facilities..
It is such a tough decision. On one hand people lose responsibility by saying its okay. I.E. rapists of those rape victims are not considered serious threats to society ...... Her having the child, being able to prove who the father/rapist is and society being made responsible for the child and the women would make people act out justice alot faster. Starting with compensating the women.
We live in such a doggy doggy world though that nothing is just and fair as it should be. And women are not taken care of and have so many stigmas attached to them that it becomes harder and harder for me to vote on this issue. And I suppose this is another thing in which I feel some of us just have to put our trust in God as he is the knower and helper of all.
I have heard something about abortion under a certain number of days/weeks being halal in certain circumstances. Particularly when it would be threatening to the ladies health. Which I assume can both be physical as well as mental? Allahu Alim it needs much clarification.
Also their is the problem with what many of you have mentioned as bad parents. And again society does not take into consideration their background or offer them support to help them out. As a district attorney, I saw kids from dysfunctional homes commit crimes at 18 years old and gain a felony in California. A felony which meant that even if they got their lives together they would continue to bear the consequences of no goverment jobs, most professional qualifications for the rest of their lives. Even if they pulled themselves together and were only consequences of their enviroment.
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strictly on a medical standpoint...are there any other medical procedures that are banned by whole continents due to religious reasons??? Most likely not..so why are some allowed force their own personal morals and ideals on others when it might medically save someone's life???
Grant me the senility to forget the people I never liked,the good fortune to run into the ones I do,and the eyesight to tell the difference.
No, I do not agree with it as a form of birth control...but, accidents DO happen, even WHEN using contraceptives. I know,my cousin got pregnant while she and her husband were using condoms..luckily, they wanted the baby.
Absolutely yes in medical cases and also in the case of rape/incest. Some of you say that the fetus deserves to live...well what about the woman/child that is forced to relive the act of rape/incest, for every day of the 9 months that she is forced to carry the baby??? That could be even worse than the initial act itself, in a mental capacity of the female.
Having an abortion is never an easy decision to make. Trust me..I used to work in a Planned parenthood clinic, as a counselor and as an escort who walked those women into the clinic. Until you sit with someone who is crying their heart out over making a decision like that, you will never know how difficult it is. Berating someone for making that choice is even worse...never judge someone until you live in their place. It is SO easy to sit and say how bad it is for someone to have an abortion...so easy to judge others, but we will never know the total reasons behind why someone makes that decision...but please don't take that option away from those that might require it for whatever reason.
One thing I do find interesting is that in the States 76% of people who are against abortion are male. Of those 76%, NONE of them have ever been pregnant.
Grant me the senility to forget the people I never liked,the good fortune to run into the ones I do,and the eyesight to tell the difference.
Abortion is always paired with pre marital sex but even married couple has accidental pregnancy and in places where it is allowed married women go for it. Having said this, responsibilty should not only after you get pregnant it should start from the start, why put yourself in this situation, there are means and ways not to get pregnant, single or married, one has option to get pregnant.
is always there (their choice to do it or not), but there is no enough reasons to legalize it, IMHO.
"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
Most of us agree that abortion should be allowed in situations where the mental / physical health of the female (whatever the age) is in jeapordy..
Pro-choicers believe that women have the right to opt to abort a baby from their body. Their view is that a fetus does not have human rights within the mother's womb.
In most cases, the mode of abortion determined by the age of the fetus.
If we take the above into account, then we cannot be Pro Choice given that abortion MUST be allowed in exceptional circumstances.
Can we ?
not the act of abortion per se. Yes you are right, mother dies because of "illegal" abortion clinics doing unsafe abortion practices. But legalizing it will not solve the problem. Illegal cheap clinics will just prolifirate as demand will increase presumably
"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
precisely, one of the reason to justify abortion is the reason given by China's ruling aprty. The one child policy have its corresponding "punishment" (in the form of benefits a chinese couple can get from the state). The abortion was legalized as a means for unwanted birth (and it is carried-out by state's hospitals and clinics), no need for direct encouragement but implied by the ruling party by means of the non-benefits a chinese couple will shoulder if they exceed one child.
But if you want a simple answer, I am against legalizing abortion (exemption only is the medical reasoning as stated by the earlier posts).
"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
PRO choice.
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expensive free s**??? if it's free, then why is it expensive?...get my point?
China, being one of the most populated country in Asia had to implement it....but I never heard it enforces ABORTION as means of controlling the population.
If you're talking about CHINA'S ONE CHILD LAW back in the late 70's, early 80's, Chinese resorts to abortion or less they will be punished by disobeying the law (then).
Let's not be specific to countries. As I said earlier, no country is exempted from ABORTION issues....it's one of the moral issues the society face nowadays....
"beauty is in the eyes of the beholder", it applies also here in the variety of opinions. As you said, in our country it's conscience driven Christian society that prevents it but again, some the countries that legalized it can also be considered Christian nations so it is really in the people that leads these nations (either the executive, legislative or judicial branch decide regarding this topic. But I will note one particular nation (not Christian-dominated though) that legalizes abortion.....China (and the reason by the state is known to all). And the result, expensive free s**. Contradicting? Analyze it.
"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
Pro....just assumed it was legal everywhere!
but you know what they say about
'Assumption' being the mother of all...............
because it contradicts the way of life...
ABORTION is among the issues each country around the world faces and affects everyone irregardless of nationality, culture and religion.
In the Philippines, being a dominantly Christian country, ABORTION is considered a MORTAL SIN. But we ALL know that it is practiced...legally or illegally, and you know very well that MONEY talks...
In other/some parts of the world where ABORTION is LEGALIZED, it's a different approach...
It's a case to case basis they say....
but where should it end?
who will (help) end it?
would that fall under "mercy killing"...lol
Joke only...lol
actually, I gave my opinion but I'm trying to understand the others'. But really, I am a little bit confused about the reasonings or justifications. As I said, they can always throw a thousand reasons but NO REASON at all.
Good afternoon to everybody!!!! No offense meant to anyone.
"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
hold your temper....
As I said, we are discussing about the topic and NOT the person's views/comments...
REMEMBER: battle against arguments - not people - ad hominem attacks are a sign of a failed argument.
there are a thousand reasons to justify abortion, but the question is, Is it morally reasonable? Abortion is taking a life and I thought these pro-choice people could not lift a finger to kill their partners caught in the act of having s** with another person. Abortion is killing.
Azi said it, you can not correct a mistake by another mistake. Conscience will always haunt you.
MAybre to others, easier said because they are not the one concern or maybe no conscience to haunt, just thinking about it, IMHO.
"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
It still on-going....
until the topic slips down to the bottom of the page....lol
Yes..it should be....
"Your born, You Live, You Die, given this premise, one can conclude since we have no control over when we are born and when we die, the only thing that matters to us should be how we live, simple really?" Mis-Cat to her philosophy Lecturer.
Genesis sorry your mum and family had to go thru that.
Famine in Africa? The logic flew far over my head there.
Loads of kiddies have horrible lives on every continent.
I strongly advocate the free and easy access to contraception..which just doesn't happen.
Wolfie if you want to ban repetitive posts go for the 'salary' ones ..... please.
That was very brave of your mother genesis. I'm sorry your family had to go through that. :(
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It was very difficult time (specially emotionally). We had to go to Egypt, for my mother to undergo the abortion. Thanks to friends, Things went smooth & the gynecologist was very professional. My evil Aunt, till this day blames my mother & think that what she did is a sin.
and the society (all over the world) is not getting better...what's left to do? Who is to decide?
The government? the faith (religion/belief)? or the society itself?
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I said/acknowledged that this topic had been discussed way back...READ THE FIRST PARAGRAPH PLEASE....grrrrr
Cousins cannot marry legally in Germany because of the risk of having children with genetic disorder!!
I'm pro choice
my parents are cousins & i have a sister with a genetic disorder. A decade ago, i supported my mom to do it. And she went through it. Till this day, she doesn't regret having an abortion.
If we let abortion be legal women will abuse it... if you ask me it's the men who abuse it more than the woman.. yes, it's the woman's body.. but how many men have ordered and dragged women or threatened women into going to the abortion clinic and the verbal and emotional abuse, if they keep this baby you will suffer the consequences... this will be the last time you will see me... it's not my child... how do i know it's mine... insecure women would do anything for their MAN!
Never say Never for fear of Forever!!
Exactly.
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Forbidding abortion doesn't help parents to be more responsible .
In western countries , childs have more chance for adoption than childs from poor countries . But in poor and less developed countries , unwanted or excess ( people who can not feed themselves make 10-15 children ) childs are sold . Very few of them sold to the good people who can take care them well . Most of them are trained for burglary , begging or prostitution .
My opinion , it should be legalised .
Well, if they would have been aborted then they would not have to die from famine.
What does children dying in Africa have to do with abortion?
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I can't Gypsy. Because then I would start to think about thousands of children dying in Africa.
but if for one second there is a person out there pregnant and doesn't want the child.. abort it... where is that child going to go after it's born... if there are people out there who wish to adopt... why do we still have orphans? Human beings are selfish... they will want a new born baby... but what about a 3 year old, a 9 year, a 15 year old... why are these children stuck in the system with no one willing to help them, and do you think we have enough social services representatives to take care of them... NO. A woman forced to keep a child after she's been raped... why should the child be punished... both are being punished... each time the mother looks at this child she will relive her rape... give up the child.. to eventually find out he was conceived through a rape.. what effect do you think that would have on him???
Never say Never for fear of Forever!!
I am not against abortion if there is a very very good reason to do such a thing.
If a woman should do such a thing because she didn't want to get pregnant.... hey there are things availible to prevent pregnancy.... so no that is not a good reason. But if a woman decides to have an abortion because she was raped and then became pregant she should have the option and the choice.
But if it is inconviniant to have a child then don't hav sex or use very good protection. Not only a condom OR a birthcontrol pil but use both to minumize the risk of getting pregnant or a STD....
Abortion is nothing to think lightly of and should be very carefully handeld and thought off.
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That's your problem Magic Dragon, you can't put yourself in these women's shoes, all you do is see it through your own eyes. Try to imagine what it must be like to be them.
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Well we agree on that. I have three little angels and I feel exactly the same way. But having worked with rape victims has opened my eyes to the very different circumstances that exist for women. When I work with these women I am humbled and remember that in many ways my cup runneth over.
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Maybe we look at it from a different point of view, Diamond. I have two charming kids. If I just imagine having killed them when they were fetuses makes me vomit.
I'm not allowed to respond to posts now? Jeez if you're going to be like this I'll dye my hair back to blonde. :P
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hmm what was that aye and naye topic then??
and its not must that you posted it or not but going through same topic again and again makes it boring all same old argument and in end its that no one agrees with any one you know that well.
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Spare the lecture. I had plenty of those at uni.
So 1 in every 5 women being raped and not permitted to have the choice over abortion is A OK with you. Quite the charmer, ain't ya.
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Why Gypsy? I didn't post it?
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Azilana Gypsy when this topic was discussed several times before on QL why post it again. and i think this is the forth time.
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Diamond: "REMEMBER: battle against arguments - not people - ad hominem attacks are a sign of a failed argument."
I meant to said : Hypothetical
Wowser MD, great logic. Oh the compassion makes me fall to the floor.
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Thanks, Diamond, I understand. If 50 % of the women of the world were victims of rape I would consider abortion an option. If it is less than 20 % I think there is no cause to give the other 80 % a reason to be careless.
It doesn't matter how many women are raped Magic Dragon. One women being raped is too many.
In the UK 1 in every 20 women is raped, for example.
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My theory?
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The answer is on the mothers decision. Some states outlaw abortion. The problem boils, If the parents are supportive or jackasses with their proudness and ethics.
No Magic Dragon, I did NOT say that rapes are woefully low. I said that the percentage of rapists prosectued is woefully low.
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They might live Red Pope but there are usually major psychological and health problems later in life, not to mention they are already born addicted to drugs which makes it extremely likely that they will be come drug addicts themselves, especially if they become part of the system as many of these children aren't adopted because parents don't want to deal with these problems.
BritExpat: I agree I don't think abortions should be granted without the approval of social services, a psychologist or a doctor.
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What is the rate of women raped, Alexa?
Diamond, if, as you say, rapes are "woefully low", then it would make total sense not to make abortion legal and deal with those "woefully low" cases separately.
Gypsy and Azilana
Respectfully I have a different opinion when it comes to those crack babies and AID babies.
Mother addicted to drugs.
1-There is treatment for those babies that are born from mothers, that are drug users. A lot of them are born healthy, except they are born under the gun of drug withdrawal, because of their mothers drug habit. The survivability rate is average, depending on the blood level and type of addition.
2-Babies born from HIV positive mothers are born sometimes healthy and HIV free, What puzzle scientist, is How long the ones, that are born with HIV will last and when AIDS virus will merge. It is a thought decision, to abort or let him live, specially when those babies are born with a guarantee death sentence.
I think those HIV OR addicted babies, should have the right to live, it is our society fault for their curse. They are innocent souls.
Well unfortunatly we don't get the chance to ask the children if they want to be born.
Excuse me fetus, I have a question. You're mother is 14 years old and the victim of sexual abuse by her father. This has made her prone to manic-depression and driven her to drugs and promiscuity. (her mother is a drunk who doesn't really care what happens to her daughter) She doesn't know who your daddy is.
When you're born you will be born with severe fetal alcohol and drug problems, including Autisim, ADHD and partial deafness.
On top of this, your mother has chosen to keep you (as is her right), she would have preferred an abortion, but that was not an option because it's not legally available. She did try to miscarry you by drinking several quarts of vodka and punching herself int he stomach, but it didn't work. By the time you are 3 years old you will have been hospitilized 5 times due to her beating you. After the 5th time you will be raped (at the age of almost 3)by her crack dealer/boyfriend. Finally you will be taken away and given to foster parents.
However because you're mother won't sign the papers you can never be legally adopted, and therefore your mother will always have some control over you which she will use to get money from your foster parents for more drugs.
By the time you are 12 you are diganosed with post-traumatic stress and a learning disability also caused by the abuse suffered. You are prone to acts of violence, unable to concentrate in school, and due to the autism often find out that you've gone into such a daze that you've pissed or crapped yourself in front of your peers. For that reason, and that reason that you have trouble communicating with other because you're emotionally immature, you have no friends.
You hate your foster parents, because you feel they are too strict on you because they won't let you play video games all day, and they are trying to get you through school. One day someone offers you a drink. That quickly leads you down the slippery slope into drugs, theft and finally at the age of 17 you are arrested by the cops for beating up your 13 year old girlfriend (who shock! is pregnant). They find a crack pipe in your possession, and you wind up with your first jail sentence.
All this by 17. Fetus, do you want to be born?
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Magic Dragon, current world statistics on the number of alleged rapists being prosecuted at best are woefully low so your argument wouldn't hold much water I'm afraid.
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I'm pro-choice all the way. Who am I to judge anything someone else feels is right to do.
You are talking about a certain cross section of society. They should be protected and catered for..
Abortion should be illegal except where the judge / social services feel that the victim falls into the above category..
NO.The child in a pregnant woman's body has NOTHING to do with the co-makers' act (whatever you may call it). When the infant comes out to this world, it is the responsibility of the mother (parents)to nurture that small wonder.
If you're speaking about having rights...this child has his/her own rights too.The right to exist.
Hypothetical situation Red Pope. A young girl (lets say 16)has been violently raped for years by her father, she's already suffering psychologically from this. She finds out she's pregnant, not only is she not in any psychological state to handle the pregnancy but she fears for her life if her father finds out, as he'll probably either kill her or the baby.
So she shouldn't get an abortion?
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I do not have statistics at hand, but I suggest that women do have the right over their body when they decide which guy is allowed to enter. If they are silly, then they must bear the consequences. There may be cases of rape, but these should be considered exceptions and different laws should be applied. Allowing abortion in general only will make women even more careless, I think.
who keep this "debatable thread going are the WINNERS...coz we are discussing it maturely....
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How about the girl gets pregnent after a Gang rape?
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It ends Azzy through education, properly funded social programs, and greater emphasis on the war against drugs (rather then the war against innocent people).
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For me Abortion is an imperfect solution in an imperfect world...
When all babies conceived are wanted and there are the resources to bring them up well then abortion should be made illegal....
We are amongst those women who has capacity (or freedom) to choose.
And I agree that some other women (addicts, rape victims)will resort to ABORTION...
and where would the cycle ends?
Yes Magic Dragon, for some people out there society has failed completely. Last time I checked we weren't living in an ideal world.
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And those exceptions Brit are why abortion should be legal.
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Gypsy, all you state is that society fails completely.
That's great Azi, I would've made the same decision, but you can't compare you and I to a lot of these women out there, who are drug abusers, in abusive situations themselves, or any other number of situations that it's just not right to bring a child into.
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The CAUSE and EFFECT...but we do still have to consider the 'PERSON'....in a woman's womb.
The baby might be someone who will find the cure to AIDS or another OSAMA BIN LADEN (just an example, folks)....who knows?
There are always exceptions, and she would fall into that category..
I only approve or disagree with it when:
1-Yes to Abortion for medical reasons where the mother's life is in jeopardy.
No If the abortion is preventable and the baby could be save. The pro's and con's have to be measure on this case very carefully.
2-NO, to Abortion in cases of rape and/or incest should be treated the same as abortion for medical reasons. The baby has the right to live, and to be adopted.
3-No, to abortion for reasons of underage pregnancy/females and cant afford economically the baby. There is families that are willing to adopt those human babies.
Good forum Azi....
First OPTION: get rid of "IT" and pursue my dream to be an ORTHOPEDIC SURGEON or an OB-GYNE
Second OPTION: keep the baby and FACE the Music...
I CHOOSE the 2ND option...and I'm still dancing to the music....NO REGRETS though
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Of course people shouldn't be 15 year old herion addicts, but the fact is there are quite a few of them out there, and usually they are quite poor and uneducated.
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Gypsy
At the risk of taking this thread in totally different direction I must say that you should'nt be a 15 year old heroin addict (not you personally).
I know Britexpat, it's a toughie of an issue. Fundamentally it IS a women's right to make decisions about her body IMHO. However, as with everything in life, this is open to abuse as we hear of some using abortion as a means of contraception. But to take away the right of women to choose is something I cannot agree with. Better awareness of contraceptive methods and contraception being made available to ALL is something society in all countries needs to work on.
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And what if you're a 15 year old herion addict and you forgot to use protection because you were passed out? Should you be made to carry your child to term?
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i agree with britexpat, use contraceptives or keep your legs closed...
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Its an argument which will never be won by any side.
In my humble opinion there are plenty of reasons why you should not have an abortion and a few why you should.
Unfortunatly abortion is too often used to fix a situation caused by people having a good time but being irresponsible.
I'm all for the fun part of getting pregnant, but just apply a bit of sense and a lot of the worlds abortions won't be nessesary.
I agree that a woman should have the choice about manking decisions about her body..
However, we are talking about human life and in most cases the consequences of choices made..
With the arrival of the "Morning after" pill, which i personally regard as a form of abortion, many young women have begun taking a blase and careless attitude to safe sex..
Magic Dragon insitutions usually end up making the childrens problems worse, and are no places for kids with severe problems.
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I thought it was Swaziland !
I am against it.
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Magic dragon....are you serious? Have you ever been to an institution??
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Where is the world going to? Yes, because the concept of abortion was invented last year in Switzerland. :P
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You are right about her life but all that needs to be thought of before ending up there.
One bottle of wine ended up in killing a life, its not about responsibility but sheer pleasure.
Ok rape and medical grounds does make sense but thinking about the responsibility......... I don't buy it.
At what point of time should a fetus be taken as conciously alive cause as far as I know sperm/ovary are/is a living entity too which go wasted. Nobody is crying for them.
Suppose there would be an institution taking care of these children, would you still favor them not being allowed to live, gypsy?
yeah, where is the world going to... if you cant handle child responsibility, you should have been more responsible in taking precautions before the unexpected happens, rather than taking action when the child is already in the womb.. its sad ...
MagicDragon, I've talked to them, lived with them, worked with them, etc. And I firmly believe many would have been better off if they'd never been born, then condemned to the lives they have.
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I think its not just a woman's right regarding her body, it more a woman's right regarding her life as it is usually she who has the responsibility
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Im with Abortion for medical reasons/or incause of rape and so on
but i'm against it if its a "mistake" or if its not the "time" and all other reasons!!! thats what contraceptives are for
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It's hardly an easy way out.
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Damn........
Body/figure or pleasure seems more important than a life.
Where the world is going to?????????????
gypsy, maybe you should have talked to these children, too. And then give them you death verdict.
Totally against. Well said Brit. KEEP THE LEGS CLOSED......
I am pro-choice. At its very basic it is a women's right to make decisions regarding her own body.
I am against abortion being illegal.
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Easy way out??? Walk a mile etc etc
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Unless the life of mother / child is in danger..
IMHO, too many women take abortion as the easy way out..
There's a lot of contraceptive aids around.. Use them or keep your legs closed..
Well said Gyspy...
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MagicDragon, I've looked into the eyes of dozens of young children who have been beaten, abused, neglected and suffer from severe problems because their mothers didn't have an abortion. Again, Pro-choice.
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If a woman wants to rid herself of an unwanted pregnancy she will, no matter what. And when abortion isn't legal it's two lives lost.
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Against it. Look into the eyes of a young child and then make your decision again.
hell, no... it should not be legalized.. Legalizing it will just give more people excuse for escaping responsibility.. if it is legalized, then people will think they can always do premarital sex and if they feel they are not ready for the responsibilities of raising a child, they can always turn to abortion? its awful.. in the case of a woman falling pregnantcoz she was raped, still the same.. the unborn child should not suffer the consequences of that. they deserve the right to be brought up into this world no matter how they were conceived...
Well it is legal in Canada and has been for decades. And the type of women who would use abortion as form of contraceptive shouldn't be having children anyway. Unfortunatly it isn't legal to sterilize them.
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Legalizing it would make abortion another form of contraception.
There is a high physical and mental cost involved and many of the young women who have abortions are not always fully aware of these consequences.
Back home, our elders would say: "Committing another mistake (abortion) won't correct the first one (unwanted pregnancy)"...ironic, isn't it?
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I am totally in agreement with Abortion :)I don't want to pay for accidents which is very common now a days :)
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I know this will come as a shocker to everyone, but I'm pro-choice.
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