Palestine, where will it end?

Well good luck to your buddies in hezb allah and hamas. You are obviously elated at Hamas' "victory" which is nothing but a disaster for the Palestinian people and the cause of Palestine.

Hope you're enjoying your time in Doha.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas:

Hamas is opposed to the existence of Israel and has denounced the 1993 Oslo Accords.

Several Hamas candidates insist that the charter is still in force and often called for

Israel to be "wiped off the map" in campaign speeches.

Hamas regards the territory of the present-day State of Israel — as well as the Gaza

Strip and the West Bank — as an inalienable Islamic waqf or religious bequest, which

can never be surrendered to non-Muslims.

On November 8, 2006 the military wing of Hamas called on Muslims around the world

to attack American targets.

According to the U.S. State Dept,[19] Hamas is funded by Iran (led by a Shiite Islamic

regime), Palestinian expatriates, and private benefactors in Saudi Arabia and other Arab

states. Their funds come from the OPECers in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iran, as well as

charitable donations from local and international community.-( These fundings will be

used as a pretext by US to invade Saudi Arabia. Mark my words.)

Indeed Israel supported and encouraged Hamas' early growth in an effort to undermine

the secular Fatah movement of Yasser Arafat.[57] According to UPI, Israel supported Hamas

starting in the late 1970s as a "counterbalance to the Palestine Liberation Organization".

[54] At that time, Hamas's focus was on "religious and social work". The grassroots

movement concentrated on social issues such as exposing corruption, administration of

waqf (trusts) and organizing community projects.

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CIA routinely recruits (one eg is Al Qaida) "Fighters to free holy land" trains them

in Afghanisthan & Iraq among other countries & deploys them there and in other countries

that they see fit. These "soilders" do not need salary & pension they just need a

Promise of heaven.

How can they bypass the commandment given by God to Moses/Moshe - They cannot

justify the killing of a single Innocent human life.

The killing of innocent human lives is a request made by SATAN, irrespective of the religion and eveybody got to understand that.

Unconditional love is the only truth everything else is an illusion.

Check out these pictures found in the German Spiegel online...

on this pic a Hamas fighter is pretending to be talking on the phone with Condi Rice from the office of Mahmud Abbas!

http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/0,5538,PB64-SUQ9MjI0NTAmbnI9NA_3_3,00.html

This is also a creative picture:

http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/0,5538,PB64-SUQ9MjI0NTAmbnI9Ng_3_3,00.html

In this picture I bet Hamas fighters never had that kind of toilet luxury!

http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/0,5538,PB64-SUQ9MjI0NTAmbnI9Mg_3_3,00.html

“The United States and Israel are now reported to be considering rapidly easing sanctions in the occupied West Bank to bolster the emergency government being formed by President Abbas, Western and Israeli officials said on Friday.”

"The fact that President Abbas has fired the Hamas government is a very positive move in our opinion, and makes it easier to deal with and help the moderates," Miri Eisin, spokeswoman for Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, said Friday. Unlike Hamas, Fatah has recognized Israel's right to exist and signed past accords”

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,488766,00.html

Fatah is doomed and will fail to win the hearts and minds of Palestinians.

This is a disgrace to anyone who loves a free and sovereign Palestine. It will take another 6 months and Hamas will be in control of some West Bank cities (Hebron or Nablus would be my first bet)

I was actually waiting for a response form you e46M3 regarding this hot topic.

It would be nice if you could give me your first name so I can feel that I am arguing with a person and not “machine”!

Yes, I claim the Oslao agreement was an elitist agreement, whether you agree with Oslo or not, it was negotiated in secret by a few “unprepared” PLO officials that were politically bankrupt. The PLO leadership (at that time wasting their time in Tunis) was so politically bankrupt that they needed to come up with anything “politically” to enter the spot light again! Arafat made grave mistakes during and before (loudly and enthusiastically supporting Saddam Hussian during the 2nd Gulf war) OSLO and as Edward Said rightfully claims, gave Israel unjustifiable concessions in OSLO without taking into consideration what the majority Palestinian people wanted. If his goal was to get his corrupt clique (abu Mazen, Nabil Sha’ith ect….) back from exile into Palestine, he succeeded well in this goal!

Today Hamas enjoys the support of the majority of the Pal. People. Part of Hamas’s success is the fault of Fatah. The following is what Fatah has become:

1- One of the most corrupted Palestinian organizations.

2- A radical shift away from the Pal. Resistance movement and shifting closer to US policy in the region.

3- Standing in the way of Hamas who is trying with Islamic Jihad and other Pal. movements to continue the struggle until a “fair” peace treaty can be reached with the occupiers.

Fatah has to understand that OSLO failed and that the Pal. people are fed up with those same OLD faces in the leadership. Fatah needs men like Marwan Al Barghoti, and there are many to find , but it is the corrupt leadership of Fatah (Old guard) that is hindering those Pal. people form getting to a leadership position.

Fatah nourishes crucks and thugs like Muhamed Dahlan but do not want real resistance fighters like Marwan Barghoti.

Talk soon swissgirl39. It was a pleasure.

So you can say for yourself you stand on the sunny side of live.Ok,maybe not always,cos everyone has its sorrows,but most of time.:-)You know what?Was verry intresting to talk to you and the time was running so fast.I need to jump in my bed,but not the same way as DaRuDe.LOL.I dont want to sleep on the floor cos of a broken bed.:-D So have a good night for now and sleep well.Hope soon again.:-)

Well swissgirl Some people on QL have been here longer but I've certainly seen it change a lot. From a country with one cinema to which it was inadvisable to take my wife to only 1 or 2 shopping centers that in no way measure up to today's malls... But it was also much more laid back, very little stress. People are changing now too.

I've spent most of my adult life traveling and living in different countries and Qatar is special to me for various reasons.

How long will I stay? I'm a home in my hand kind of person.

Qatar has been good to us.

What a long time.Smile.And you still like it and enjoy it?So you really can tell so many sories about the changing from Doha.How it was in the past and how it is today.And have you planed to leave it in the next time or you will stay for another 11?;-D

11 years swissgirl39.

Because about all money,nobody is perfect.:-)We all are only humans.:-)How many years you are in Doha now?

Swissgirl, I hope you're right. Makes sense.

Insha Allah.:-)Here in Europe is similar.Also in Europe are attackings,but untill now not here in Switzerland,because i think our situation is similar to Dubai.Sometimes i think,where money is,is safety.So it looks for me.

devalotus, all the best.

Cheers

Since then nothing in Qatar and I hope never again. Dubai is a very special case. It's a red line and everyone knows Dubai is off limits because it's a hub for so much and everyone loses by disrupting it.

No worries, devalotus. Best of luck.

Thank you for your help, i did what you told me, i hope it works, I appologise for attacking you at 1st.

Wow.And that was the only time?After that nothing similar?I always thought Qatar is a safe place,but Al Kaida is everywhere.Do you think something else can also happen in Dubai?

devalotus, Click this link http://www.qatarliving.com/node/add/forum and post your topic. It's at the top right upright rectangle that has all your account details under your username. Good luck.

I'm all new to this, i am cluless and i became a member in the hopes of getting help,i'm no guru on how to post a new topic,i guess i'll figure it out, thank you

Look, you post it here and it gets buried and lost among all the responses. Post a new topic and it's much easier to spot.

if this wasn't urgent i wouldn't be posting it here, i just thought that there might be someone with a kind heart that is willing to help but i guess you're not one of them but it's alright,thank you anyway.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4365039.stm

I don't think you should be posting this here. Start a new topic please.

A bombing in Doha?Or where was it?I think a "money place"like Dubai or Qatar will always be safe cos the whole world invested there and they are not intrested to loose it.So they will watch over that security.

Hey guys I am in the States and I need a huge favor from anyone who lives in Beverly Hills 3. Please if anyone does live there please send me a message so i can give you the details,thank you so much guys

Well we had a bombing here in 2005. Dubai is an agree upon red line. There are places that are relatively safer and Qatar and the UAE are among them.

But, for example, the situation with Iran and the US is beyond their control and the fallout from such a conflict could affect the whole Gulf.

But there are some safe Places like Qatar,Dubai And UAE.Right?So it is not the whole Middle East.Those countries are intrested to have a solid situation around.This what i am thinking.Am i on a wrong way?

Not anytime soon, swissgirl. The whole Middle East is in an undeclared state of war. And what's coming isn't any better.

What is your oppinion,will they find a way for peace?Someday?Someone sayd this will be at Armageddon day.But i really have the hope that it will be bevore.

swissgirl39 It's a very complex issue. Way before Oslo there was the launch of Fatah, PFLP, DFLP, PLF, then came the September showdown in Jordan, followed by the Black September organization, and Palestinian acceptance of the 2-state solution way back in 1974! And it went on and on.

I saved them and i will read that all tomorrow cos now im a little bit to tired.Smile.And so tomorrow in the morning i have some intresting stuff bevore me.:-)

King Edshel I was talking to Qais. I am not into politics but his fervor is unmistakable.

Swissgirl39, this is an academic sort of link with all the texts http://almashriq.hiof.no/general/300/320/327/oslo.html

Wikipedia has an article here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords

Also check this out http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1991to_now_oslo_accords.php

but when you pay money to go to the wrong places for more than 30 years and you see nothing done to improve the people's life there. Then you would look for anything to change that. I guess that is more than enough ...

Where can i read about it?Do you have a link for me?I am intrested to read about that agreement.

Hamas must really mean something to you Qais. I can almost sense your excitement!

This is in response to Qais' comment. So Oslo was an elitist agreement in which the people had no say?

Oslo was a milestone in the history of the Palestinian people. For the first time it enabled them to have an organizational foothold in Palestinian land.

And the people did have a say. Judging by the tumultuous and enthusiastic welcome Arafat received from 200,000 Palestinians in Gaza on July 1st 1994 when he ended 27 years in exile I'd say the people had their say.

As for the current situation it is blame-shifting to lay the responsibility solely on Fatah's shoulders.

Hamas is just as infiltrated by Israeli agents as any other Palestinian faction.

Arafat was the umbrella that shielded the Palestinians, all the Palestinians. No one can fill his shoes.

I am laughing at the stupidity of people there not the deaths. They always find someone to kill, if it is not others then it is themselves. Israel had rival factions too, but they settle things peacefully amongst themselves.

no body over the world wants the true..

no body over the wrold wants the rights come in back ..

no body helps us ...

no body can help us...

no body can give us ...

they will do what they want in our occupied land...

we are Exhausted ..

we cann't endure all this ..

I'M REALY SOOOOO SAD AND DEPRESSED AND PESSIMISTIC .. :((((

GOD PLEASE HELP US ..

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DO you think America will loose ? If not, Palastine can't Be free.Israil is like a brother of America in GCC.

You mean,you laugh abut those bloody and awful days in Palestine?

How ever someone could laugh about this violence and sadness there?

in-fighting was somehow caused by israel.

in my 2 years in Egypt, I found the people exceptionally warm and friendly, more so than any european country i've been to. but i also found that they always had someone else to blame for absolutely everything, whether it was Egypt's problems or the problems anywhere in the middle east.

i'm sure there are many complex political and social reasons behind the violence, but i'm also sure that there is a shortage of people standing up and saying that the future will require that they start taking more responsibility for their actions.

BBC world had a segment with a palestinian spokesperson, and he went on for several minutes about how this foreign group and that country were responsible for the violence. it was only after the news anchor asked if the palestinians themselves were also responsible that he started talking about the domestic causes behind the fighting.

my time in Qatar and egypt reminds me of a joke in "America the Book" by Jon Stewart:

Middle East Humor

Man 1: "knock knock"

Man 2: "no sir, it is you who is wrong"

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"Even a stopped clock gives the right time twice a day." Withnail & I

Israel is laughing so hard right now, if the Palestinians aren't blowing things up in Israel, they fight each other. LOL.

I forget that you are from Switzerland, but this is the fact, no worries ... we can do something about it :D

Dont talk about swiss banks.It is to silly.

The role of PLO in Palestine is to support their own pockets that have no place anymore, but the swiss banks accounts. I don't want to say anymore because I will need a full page to explain everything here.

I think the same.But as you sayd,he was better than Abbas.Of course also Arafat made mistakes,but the situation under him was never as bad as it is now.

Even though I disagree with a lot of things Arafat did in his life time (such as the OSLO Agreement) I realized that he was still much better than what came after him (Mahmud Abbas).

The OSLO agreement was en elitist agreement in which the palestinian people had no say in it!

I think they need a new leader with the same Charisma and Personality as Arafat had.Hopefully they find someone.

:-)

Fatah has always regarded the PLO as its own organization. They have the largest faction inside the PLO.

The PLO includes:

Fatah - Largest faction.

The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) - Second largest.

The Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP) - Third largest.

The Palestinian People's Party (PPP).

As-Sa'iqa.

The Palestine Democratic Union (Fida).

The Palestinian Popular Struggle Front (PPSF).

The Palestinian Arab Front (PAF).

All besides Fatah are neutral in the fighting. And even inside Fatah there are split factions (not under the control of Mahmud Abbas)!

But what is the rule of PLO in Palestine?Do they support Fatah or Hamas or none?

Hi there,

First let me say that I deeply condemn the fighting between Hamas and Fatah.

In my opinion, the causes behind the fighting are not only a power struggle between Hamas and Fatah but also Fatah's enormous mistakes committed during the last 3 years after the death of Yaser Arafat.

Fatah, under the leadership of Mahmud Abbas has shifted too much on the side of US policy in the region. The "conditional" support the US administration is giving to Abbas and Fatah is having negative repercussions on the Palestinian people who know that US policy in the region is very pro Israel. Today there is talk in the White House that they want to give Abbas $60 000 000 to "beef up security forces". Don't these idiots know that with every $100 they give Fatah, Hamas is recruiting 1 more Palestinian! In Israel there is a gov. debate, to allow Fatah fighters (loyal to Abbas) cross Israeli check points from the West Bank into Gaza... The Fatah leadership has completely failed the nationalistic aspirations of the Palestinian people. As a result a lot of secular Palestinians have become members of Hamas and became more religious.

Fatah on the other hand, became deeply infeltrated by US/Israeli agents and Hamas is not blind to see what is happening.

The "grand Era" of Fatah has ended with the death of Yasir Arafat while the rise of Hamas has only just begun...Since the fighting is currently ongoing, I hope there will be a quick winner! We all know Hamas is now in control of 90% of Gaza.

It is the dawn of a new beginning now.