Police whip men at Souqs

There he is waiting for me to reply...kind of stalking me would you say?? He does not contribute to any other thread besides this one....ok maybe once or twice...you are seriosuly freaky dude....thank god I'm not in Doha....you are the next chain saw massacre to emerge...it's like you are on the PC so obsessed with me....here's a hint...there are more important things in life to worry about son....let the anger go...the thought that you anticipate my next move is kinda scary....do I get to you so much??

Osman Yissah - did you get the "lying idiot", "personal insult" "stupidity" part - just thought I would point it out in case you didn't see it...oh and by the way many members are freaked out by him and his nasty abusive nature, that's why they don't acknowledge him...

Oh and scotia you mean "her" stupidity not "here"...la da la

I should tell my five grade school teacher about that..:P

However, in the last 2 or three posts i read, scotia actually did not say much in the way of name calling as such. though you continued to make slightly irrelevant comments which don't seem to be cohesive with your actions on the forum.

>> Are you serious?? If being called pathetic and stupid is not "name calling" then what is?

And you obviously do have time to argue when you keep replying to him.

>>I didn't respond for a week...yes seven days...hmmm he responds daily so what is it exactly you are trying to say??? Are you like a relative??

Dude, I have no idea why I bother responding to you...khalas..

RENEE: Unsurprisingly you fail to mention how those "insults" of mine had been in response to you and others who had insulted me and used stereotypes directed at me and my people. Once again you start creating lies when people notice the stupidity you display on here, never did I say "Westerners are leeches", and that thread you speak of there were westerners who agreed with me. Let's look at the facts, not a SINGLE person in this thread have commented on my "stereotyping", yet go look at how many people called you out on your bs. Funny how you never say anything about westerners who argue against allowing laborers in malls, but cry a fit when it is Qataris.

OSMAN: The girl is a lying idiot, have you noticed how she never links any of my supposedly "racist" or "stereotyping" posts? When she is called out on here on her racism all she does is raises how she is out there "helping people", you would think someone who genuinely loved helping people would be more modest about it, she is of the other kind who go around making stupid comments and when confronted she cries "AT LEAST I HELP PEOPLE!", as if that all of a sudden justifies here stupidity.

A word for the wise though, if you want to argue with scotia properly, you should attack the argument, with facts and in its absence reason. Rather than attack him personally.

Which is the reason i believe he has the upper hand.

>>>Ahh you made this comment as Scotia has never attacked anyone personally on here. You think?

Are you off your head dude....on LCD maybe??? You talk to me about personal insult when dear Scotia here has called people cun**, has stereotyped the British, has uttered the words old hag, bi***……oh and better yet has created a thread calling westerners leeches.… if that ain’t personal insults in you're language dude, you have a serious problem!!!

Strange how you only pick on my insults...la da la..loool

Gyps.. You right, 90% are goin for killing time and bird watching. A fresh breath from the dirty n stinkin labour camps they live 24/7.

but again am sure many genuine and gentle singles are being refused entry...there is some saying like '' Even when a 1000 accused escapes from law, not a single innocent should be punished''.. :(

Renee: You had no problem "wasting time" writing essays loaded with stupidity and insults but can't find one post of mine where I belittle the less fortunate as you claim? Just admit you are full of it.

ahhh no...

And ofcourse u cant speak anything..Just watch being DEAF AND DUMB...!! AND SURRENDER TO THIS RACISM...!!

"I’m in Qatar working in a detention centre. Trust me son, your heart will melt when you have seen the ordeal these poor souls have had to put up with. What do you say????"

Umm Salal Detention Centre by any chance :)

Ban Spoon Feeding not Me

Osman Yissah said owned!!!!!!!!!!........DAMN!!!!!!! ...

oh the OWNAGE is so BLATENT. ooh DAMN

SCotias last comment just done it. killed it in a second.

i aint pickin sides. BUT DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That ended the argument in my eyes.

SCOTIA IS ON Fire!!!!!!!!!!

>> I have had better things to do with my time (like trying to send raped woman back to their home country) than argue with some aggressive vicious youth, who at the end of the day wouldn't even know the meaning of life considering his abusive nature. Give him his title, he deserves it! *sighs*

The fact of the matter is that the malls have every right to kick out or not allow in people who aren't going in to spend money. They are places of business, and their purpose is to sell products to buying customers. I worked in a mall through university and guess what, roving bands of teenagers who weren't buying anything were kicked out, Guys who went in and were making women uncomfortable, were kicked out.

These men aren't going to the malls to buy, they are going to wander around and stare at people and socialize, and well that might be ok if it's a small group it's not ok when it's thousands of groups.

Malls are not a charity, they are not an entertainment provider for the poor, they are places of business.

HOWEVER, the souks and the Corniche are public areas, and they should not be blocked to anyone.

What a waste of time mates..

There is an issue prevailing.. and we all dumb asses sit and discuss , some fight.. gets carried away , hijacks the thread to nowhere..

Wake up dudes and dudettes..Lets stop cribbing and act.. come out with your brains shiny ends.. what we can do about this??..protest??..boycott??...... lets see wht everyone has to say.

Thanks God, got one family to hang out with them...

@thejam, I do.

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Dig this law out. In the blazing summer heat these workers toil. No one stops and gives them water or anything to drink. Their bosses who have brought them here as cheap labour don't care less. So these people go to these free taps we used to find on the roads , at mosques and so on one to fill up bottles to drink.This was free until recently,They call it sabil.Now in order to put pressure on the employers to give water to their miskeen labourers guess what the thinker who thinks from his posterior has come up with.

Levy a tax on all those owners of theses taps of cold drinking water for free. This will force them to stop providing water for the poor souls.This in turn will put pressure on the (couldn't care less)employers to provide bottled water for their thristy labourers.Wow I wonder who thinks up these laws. Already the employer did not give a damn about providing water to the poor workers in the first place, now when there is no water available publically they would not give a damn even more, they don't drink from these taps anyway.So it makes you wonder who comes up with these ideas.I mean he must be getting big bucks for coming up with these solutions.

well LifeisBeautiful you are right here many of them have notseen a woman for generations.I mean most ofthem don't even earn enough to bring their families here or they have to work for a couple "generations" (lol) and then they can go back home and see their families or if they can afford to get married. I mean look at Doha on a friday, even my wife who is in niqab does not want to go there to buy anything on these days it is crowded with these labourers and true they do stare sometimes I mean my wife has warned my daughtters and she too is not happy with the crowd of them that gather and also the way they stare and sometime brush past women.

its actually the people taking decisions in this place.I mean some of the laws they come up with you ask yourself if it really from their brains they think from or from their posterior.

I mean dig this law. One is not allowed to wash his car with the water that is tapped and purifed and so on.i.e potable. there is a fine levied on one who gets caught washing his car. now who's cars are all bright and clean in the morning washed by their drivers even before they wake up, what water did he use to wash that, bottled water? I understand that all these carwash have been levied a tax they have to pay. No check the next part. I left my car in the garage the other day since it needed repairs.i hadn't washed it for a while since it had broken down and was in the garage anyway.The mechanic called me and said i should have washed my car cos I could get a fine or he may get fined driving my dirty car from his garage to industrial area. Now i thought, there was a fine for washing ones car. Or was it for not washing ones car? Which one is it?Or do just pay the fine either way i mean just a way to get money from expats already paying through their noses.

Renee: I read up to "generalized about the british" and stopped reading, I looked at your 2nd post and realized it was a continuation of your 'dissertation', and your 2nd post alone made me grateful I did not bother reading the 1st.

Put aside your urge to create more racist ignorant posts for a second, and try to find me just ONE post where I mock the less privileged, you won't be able to because you are nothing but a pathetic liar. In this thread alone numerous people called you out on your bs, which says more than I have to about your character and your integrity as a person.

Keep it coming dude....it's only just began :D

But then again you probably wouldn't as you are so busy generalizing and abusing every other country other then your own...go figure!!!

To the people who attack me for saying that I shouldn't criticize him for being rich having a good education, it's exactly the opposite.

It's the fact that he makes fun of others who are less privileged...

You are just a hateful little man Scotia – you call people c…. and think it’s oh so appropriate. You have generalized about the British and for some reason no surprise really keep responding to my post as you so are so vein, arrogant and are out to prove you are so cool and tough.

I have a really good idea. Come and meet my Muslim and Qatari friends. Come and visit me next time I’m in Qatar working in a detention centre. Trust me son, your heart will melt when you have seen the ordeal these poor souls have had to put up with. What do you say????

Or you can keep abusing me on these forums as it is plain obvious you have nothing better to do with your time. I get it, you’re obsessed with me…..lol

It’s funny how you and your “good old pal” amnesia attack me about being racist but at the same time abuse the west always comparing this and that…son, this is a Qatari forum so we discuss Qatar…which part do you not get?? Your insecurity is prominent that it is soooooooooooo pathetic…

I just love how amnesia rides in on his high horse to come and criticize me by saying I’m generalizing but doesn’t pick up the fact that Scotia on more than one occasion has generalized about the Brits…has in fact threatened people……do I really have to copy and paste…oh I do indeed as his comments were so offensive that the mod’s hit the delete button…...says it all really…

Here’s an idea lad’s – open you eyes and look around you to see where the real racism exists. You don't have to look far!!!!

ROUND 1 (Ding!)

Renee opens a jab.

Scotia throws a hard left jab.

Renee flurries a combination to the body.

Scotia is hurt but slams a big uppercut on Renee.

Renee comes back with a big right cross.

Scotia answers with a two right straight to the jaw.

Renee is groggy.

But before Scotia aims for a knockout,

Renee strikes back and hit Scotia in the kidneys.

Scotia is hurt bad.

The two are like wounded cannibals.

Ready to devour each other.

End of ROUND 1 (Ding Ding Ding)

"ITS AN ENTERTAINING NIGHT FOR YOU ALL FIGHT FANS"-ROFL

Live Life free of worries

Renee's stupidity and blatant lying is just ridiculous, she cries about abusive comments yet spams the board with here racist ignorant views, poor trash like her are unable to get real jobs so it is easier for them to just whine endlessly. Funny how she skips all the comments addressing her own ignorant abusive racist posts on these forums...

There goes the racism topic go hot!

Order now before supplies ran out.

Nangabuang na mo?naunsa gud mong gaaway man hinuon mo.Mga buang ay!

Storya ra walay paakay.Maayo mo pangpakugon!

Live Life free of worries

Oh now I have a fat ass…lol….first I was an old hag…your immaturity is starting to show Scotia...

/-a-t-/renee, do your Qatari friends who were reading the thread also know that you like to generalize and treat all of us Qataris as ignorant slobs?

According to Scotia I don’t have any Qatari friends *rolls her eyes*

Well, well, well....here you were accusing me of following you around these threads. Just couldn’t’ help yourself amnesia, could you?? You here to join Scotia in abusing people? That’s right you have already done that by calling people leeches!! Shame that you feel the need to pick up other's name calling :p

RENEE

???? oh but then who will build this country??

AS FAR AS I KNOW THEY DIDNT INVITE U TO THIS COUNTRY

IF U FEEL THAT UR WORKING FOR FREE THEN WHY STAY ??

CAN ALWAYS GO BACK..

@renee, do your Qatari friends who were reading the thread also know that you like to generalize and treat all of us Qataris as ignorant slobs?

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Renee: I don't eat burgers you fat ass, go exercise instead of lurking on the forums spewing your racist crap. I live in Qatar and would like to know what's relevant that's why I am on here, you on the other hand don't even live here yet your lazy ignorant racist ass has all the time in the world to lurk in here posting your bs, yes you really do need to get a life.

heheheh

It is in the nature of men to check out women openly and it in nature of women to check out men hiding..every male species in world has only 1 function..we all know it..infact the male mantis gets eaten by his partner after doing his job!!

tell me honestly guys...only married ..how many times do you check out other ladies(obviously not openly..else u may get wacked)..i dont mean ogle at them and pass comments etc.. i mean just check out...

i am sure most red blooded men would say quite often..there is nothing wrong with it unless you have something wrong in your mind...

accept the fact the these labourers are not very highly educated and are pretty frustrated down there..so it is very obvious they can't go to ramada bar and sit and chit chat and pick up somebody for the night..they do what they can!!..stare...

but the fact remains that if someone does stare at your wife ..it is not very pleasent..

the solution that I propose is to ensure that labourers are frustration free and allow each one a conjugal visit type of thing by prostitutes!!that will keep the frustration down, business up and everybody is happy!!!

:-)

Dear Life is beautiful,

Can you stop a labour or any poor man from admiring the beautiful sky , twinkling stars , sunrise , beautiful clouds, churping birds , silent waves , cool breeze...no you cannot..

Like every other Gods creations " WOMEN " i suppose is one of the best , there is no harm in admiring them.

Every one does it...opposite sex is always attractive....this is human nature....

i know how it feels when men orgale at our women...

but hittin some one just bcoz hes poor is not at all human....

Hope m right ... :-)

I'm not going anywhere - why don't you get off these forums?? Oh that's right you have nothing better to do except worry about when you next burger is coming....and he tells me to get a life.....LOooooL

A description of Secularism:

"In political terms, secularism is a movement towards the separation of religion and government (often termed the separation of church and state). This can refer to reducing ties between a government and a state religion, replacing laws based on scripture (such as the Torah and Sharia law) with civil laws, and ELIMINATING DISCRIMINATION ON THE BASIS OF RELIGION. This is said to add to democracy by PROTECTING THE RIGHTS OF RELIGIOUS MINORITIES."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularism

The alternative is what?

Your view that this promotes racism maybe so in the American model but I struggle to see haw this can be the case in the EU.

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

scoiabank are u qatari...oh shit...

what the hell is this "It's all a part of my "arrogant Qatari" nature, I can't help it! LMAO!!!"

Being anti-western is not synonymous with being racist!

Anti-western means being anti- secular, anti-anything goes attitude and the culture steeped in materialism, uncontrolled consumerism; exploitation especially of women to sell goods and services and being it means being against racism! why becuase it is the western world and its ideology that perpetuates racism through its culture and structures...hence why color is a huge issue when it comes to voting for Obama..or the fact the non-whites have been increasing ghetto-ized over the decades and still are denied their basic rights

Renee: Your Qatari friends are just as dumb as you are if they want to befriend a racist pos like yourself even after reading the crap you post on here, but just like your "muslim friends" I know they are non-existent. Just stop lying, get off of these forums, go get an education, a life, and perhaps things will start looking more bright from your end.

OOOOCH....bring back the whips!!

QLSG? Run by a bollywood Cretin FOR Bollywood cretins!

I'm off to help people now Scotia but am so excited to read your abusive thread tomorrow!!

Wow still abusing women Scotia…charming….I love this part ”she is mad at me”…..lol…are you like 5? Oh I’m not mad at you as you're just a fun toy to play with….:D

That you abuse and threaten people on a public forum, not to mention making fun of the elderly no matter what your nationality makes you a worthless piece of ....

The fact is you are an arrogant Qatari…..fancy this hey…I have some Qatari friends who have read your threads and KNOW you are nothing but a spoilt brat who is so enraged with pride that you abuse people to satisfy yourself.

Just keep calling me a racist as I know I am not so why the hell do I care what you think???

Your the twat making anti-western remarks but not a racist hey?? *rolls her eyes*

osman: She is a racist and an idiot, and the reason she is mad at me is because I called her out on her other racist ignorant posts that are very identical to the ones she is posting in this thread. Do not attempt to argue with her logically as she has the reasoning skills of a dodo.

Scotiabank – you can make as much fun as you like of me – how many more times do I have to say I DON'T CARE. Carry on as your making a complete ass of yourself and are proving to be the quintessential stereotypical Qatari....please continue to post, your doing a good job in disgracing your culture – disrespecting the elderly, and abusing woman…..so not cool dude.

Here I was thinking that your “oil” paid fancy education would have taught you this…what a shame that money didn’t go to better use lol

while they let such an american mother f***er bash islam:

"this type of ignorance is typical of a muslim country. Religion of peace and loving my ass"

then it is true that this website was originally created to attack islam, by dirty israelis & americans.

Hmmmm...then what pigs are running the show here?

Ohohoho welcome back! Long time no see you:)

Ah just relax:)

Renee: Some advice, learn to quote properly because your posts are confusing as it is without you messing up on quotes.

That joke had to be told! Are you kidding me? You want me to skip out on a great opportunity to laugh at your expense? It's all a part of my "arrogant Qatari" nature, I can't help it! LMAO!!!

get over it this has nothing to with this imaginery things this is real people get over it happens all over the world

There is no ignore feature on here but you can consider this my last post to you on these forums,

Just couldn't help yourself Scotia - did I get under your skin? Obviously with a post like that - are you like 12???

nomad_08 magtrabaho ka na hindi puro QL ang ginagawa mo simple instruction you cannot follow

nomad_08 baka ikaw ang mali ng napasukan, pumasok ka na sa trabaho at baka wala ka nang sahurin tamad

Renee: My year 4 English teacher finds your reading skills amusing, but I don't, I feel sorry for you and recommend you start with TOEFL then slowly move up. LMAO!!!

I couldn't resist! LOL!!!! Thanks for the laugh, I am going to go to bed now!

hummer mali ka yata ng thread na napasukan

baedaebok: LOL! Is that a serious post?

Please enlighten me by telling how many of these "evil western" countries you have had the honor of visiting?

there is absolutely no racism in the gulf countries,

Your absolutely right, *rolls her eyes*

Rock on dude!!!

Wow that British education has really done wonders for your arrogant ass....a wealthy education paid by oil money....you do the world proud dude...

My Muslim friends and I find it amusing that we get under your skin so much - the need to feel you need to post with such lengthy post's.

At the end of the day you are nothing but a disrespectful "arrogant" Qatari with a foul mouth - worse of all disrespect's the elderly - so not expectable in any culture SON!!!!!

Renee: Wow you are such a dumb pos that I don't even know why I even bother trying to explain things to you. Just the fact that you said I "condone the states for being puppets but don't take them seriously" tells me more than I need to know about your dumb ass.

Go look up the definition of 'condone' for starters, secondly if you learned how to read in school instead of being an annoying brat like you are on here then you would have understood that when I said "whichever government is hosting them", I was talking about the religious figures as puppets, not the US gov, how the hell does the US gov host itself? Are you that dumb or just have comprehension problems?

Not only are you illogical and dumb, but you are wasting my time, arguing a point with you I can tolerate, but having to breakdown sentences for you because of your inability to read properly is just plain ridiculous. God knows what kind of crap you filled in that last dissertation you tried to get me to read.

There is no ignore feature on here but you can consider this my last post to you on these forums,

your stupidity is giving me a headache.

You make me laugh...I'm serious - every time I read one of you racist anti -western remarks I find myself in fits of laughter. It has to be the avator, what else could it be?...lol...your biased views are so extreme that for some damn reason instead of being fired up (like so many other members make me) YOU on the other hand put me in fits of laughter...I'm seriously laughing now just looking at your avator and have no idea why - um maybe because your views are so ridiculous... I don't know, but for some reason when you abuse the west I don't care, it just makes me laugh as it is hilarious.…this has being going on for weeks so have no idea what it is about you that makes me laugh so much….....I just do..…LOL

the bad thing with us Filipino was we already instructed not to this and we still insist in doing those thing, so now we know the result of our naughtiness... Im sorry for such comment but this is a reality... Ill give you another example one of our contractor was working in our company and instructed them to follow our company policies but when you are at the sight they follow but when the time I got out of the scene they are not following and sad to say they are also a Filipino like me and I instructed them through our language but still they don,t understand so they have to accept the penalties of their naughtiness.

As for the islam part, yep I already know, its all about being selfish and abusing/killing others for getting those coveted 72 virgins.

This attitude is absurd and is a mind of an ignorant person who hasn’t travelled the region.

again, this isnt about islam, its about the racism that is routine in islamic countries... the, "youll get whipped if you talk to a woman but its ok to be a racist and hit people because its 'family day'"

If you have travelled the region you would see that it is NOT routine to be whipped to talk to woman in an Islamic country. This attitude comes from a what I call a “red neck” Do I need to explain?

Alexa said Abu and Scotia, good ...

Abu and Scotia, good evening!

I think Seth has brought up ONE relevant question. Where are the religious authorities protesting against this treatment of human beings?

If this kind if thing would happen to brothers in the West, they certainly would be up in arms......so, are they condoning it here?

100% with you there…again….hmmmm

Scotiabank said Alexa: Good evening Alexa, ...

Alexa: Good evening Alexa, to answer your question I would say it's because those religious figures are nothing but hypocrites with double standards, just like the US government. I don't ever take them seriously and they are nothing but puppets for whichever government is hosting them. It is easier for them to cry and whine about issues abroad than to address real issues in their home countries.

I don’t see how you can compare the two considering Qatar is a religious state!!

I find it strange that you condone the states for being “puppets”, that you don’t “take them seriously” and you talk about people generalizing about Qatar…WOW….here we have it!!!

Like Qatar has been addressing the issues in their home country?? *rolls her eyes” and how it that?

Alexa: Good evening Alexa, to answer your question I would say it's because those religious figures are nothing but hypocrites with double standards, just like the US government. I don't ever take them seriously and they are nothing but puppets for whichever government is hosting them. It is easier for them to cry and whine about issues abroad than to address real issues in their home countries.

Seth - Sorry but I said this before and I will say it again, I am not up for "My country is better than yours" games, but my point is your country is not perfect. Even with MLK and other historic figures you still have a lot of racism there, blacks and hispanics are overrepresented in the jails and caucasians make up the majority of the players in the enforcement and judicial systems.

As for the passport example, you heard of Guantanamo buddy? You know the place where people have been detained for YEARS without being formally charged? But I guess it's ok because we can talk about it right?

You want to know what's naive? Naive is you expecting Qataris to take action in a country you just admitted has not many laws for protecting people, not to mention actually expecting results when you are aware that even within your own country a lot of injustices are not righted and just swept under the rug.

Oh and one more thing, why does the USA have no problems being good buddies with some nations with serious human rights violations, but wants to impose sanctions on others because of their HR violations? Double standards much? I wonder why the American people have no issues with that...

Hey Seth, you giant walking pickle.....

Just WHO are the mullahs that you refer to?

Was that your brain on sale at LuLu's... cuz you seem to be a few cans short of a 6 pack guy...

They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin

Its kinda sad when in the past year, there are probably more incidents of racism/abuse here than there are in even the most populated states.

yes they are serious but you have to keep in mind that it is a country of 305 million people. Approximately 305 times the population here. It would be naive to think we can stop all incidents like that but atleast the govt is not openly supporting it, on the contrary they prosecute people in power accused of this kind of conduct.

There are numerous incidents like that but the fact of the matter is that people there are much better protected by the law than here. No one can snatch your passport and deny you entry/exit out of the states. people there are not whipped because of a bs excuse like family day. people are actually given power to fight back any injustice.

And fyi, atleast the people who got wronged in my country can talk back. How about it here?

Seth - You talk about "what have the Qataris done" and called bs on them taking any action, well tell me what exactly did the Americans do when a lot of black voters in Fl did not get their votes counted and nevertheless Bush was elected when he was not meant to be?

What did the Americans do (aside from the majority of African Americans which still produced no results) when Sean Bell who was unarmed was killed by 50 yet ALL THE OFFICERS who were involved were acquitted? So much for the civil rights movement, don't even get me started on the numbers of how Black/Hispanic Americans are more likely to be charged with a felony for the same crimes that a lot of whites can get off with a misdemeanor.

Fix your own country before you come in here acting like you know how every Qatari thinks and what they do in their free time, after all you're the country that is meant to be "democratic", yet still you have serious minority right violations over there.

I find this whole discourse incredily interesting. its not so much what people are saying but lies behind the comments. For example, there lurks behind the discussion that "western" societies do not condone such segreation and that Qatar is violating universal principles of human rights by segregating the bachelors. Wwell as Joan Rivers would say GET REAL PEOPLE. Whole scale violations of human rights are going on all across the world: from the secret detention centers in Eastern Europe, to the "Indian" reservations across America and Canada, to the blockage in Gaza, I could fill the site with examples- indiscriminately from one end of the world to the other. The point is there ARE NO universal standards of human rights as standards can not be diabolical- by their nature they have to be transparent and uniform. The fact is Qatar is a lot more transparent about its violations on human dignity, I won't even use the term human rights, than many other countries. It is this transparency that we find so unnerving, rather than the fact that the violations themselves are occuring.

The fact is we benefit from these violations, we the privileged who use internet and sit at home in air conditioned rooms on our vacations. Writing letters to carrefour or whoever else, is a lovely thought, but will do very littlte good. These companies themselves are the greatets perpretrators of human rights violations. With the biopolitics things get blown up in the morning and rebuilt in the evening with the same money.

Someone made the point that this is an issue of buying power and capitalism and it is partly true, though only partly. Was it Malcolm X who said that money is color blind. Yet in the end is the world where everyone has money, the objective we are looking for? or is the objective to challenge how we establish value- of scoieites and of people themselves.

People need to take off their blinkers and stop seeing things through the lenses power tells us to see them. Our gated communities: here in Qatar, in America, and yes in india too, separate us from the reality that we abuse ourselves by ignoring the other. We become less that we are capable of being.

sure, you suddenly have worker friends now.

lol, dude seriously, just go and be a showpiece to all the abuse.

dude, discuss it? i sit down and eat with them you ignorant clown. I talk to them and I probably know more of these people than you ever will. Hell we went out with some on eid when they were turned away at villagio but I was allowed in (the amazing qatari police at work)

"seth you stand exposed." gee thanks Sherlock.

my point about abu gharaib stands, how come the mullahs dont talk about worker abuse but started jumping up and down like hyperactive kids when the abu gharaib scandal broke out. Hell even one mullah from qatar started talking about it. Al Jazeera couldnt get enough of it.

And I call bulls*** on the qataris who have taken up the matter with anyone. They are too busy buying stupid things like freakin phone numbers.

and all youve done is quoted a bunch of crap but didnt manage to explain why there is still racism/worker abuse here.

good show.

dude either your reading skills REALLY suck or you are being stupid on purpose.

Ask the mullahs myself? wtf? arent you the muslim? shouldnt you know this crap after 3 years of studying it.

and that flying pigs line was a play with words at the end but I guess you didnt get that either.

again, no answers, just random babble.

next.

nor did you explain that hadith about how rock will talk and pigs will fly and all that.

oh and lovely how you still wont explain why the mullahs went all silent on this issue but got all loud about the abu gharaib one.

Guess putting your head in the sand still works here huh?

Are you slow? Dude you are the one who is explaining this crap for me. so unless you have an explanation, keep your mouth shut. got it?

and I dont even know what that last paragraph was for. try making sense for once. stop getting all worked up.

lol dude i just realized how you skipped VIDEO PROOF. lmao.

what ever the case is men looking at your wives or whatever.

What everyone seems to miss a point is that the use of "whip for beating" family person is no better then a bachelor one. They are in eyes at the same human status.

Qatari are racist thats it. If they dont understand them let them make understand verbally. I am sure these bachelors will follow the law as it has been the case most of the times. Most of these bachelor are making so less money that they dont care about buying a newspaper or 100% of them dont know how to read or write so if racist people is putting news that malls are closed for 3 days of eid, so if they dont know how to read how can they know before hand whats the law for not entering eid.

As far as i know eid is same for a muslim bachelor or a family guy they have fasted in ramadhan and also a family person also but bachelor in qatar who are working in such poor environment has more right o enjoy Eid then family person living in ACs and working in office.

This is racism. I advise everyone to think about there respect first and then money. Dont cheat yourself for a few riyals. You can get more respect working in civilized country then qatar.

Down with racism and these qatari who think they are superior then others. They are so far behind then rest of the world. ONLY ALLAH has given them oil and they are cashing in my mentally they are lacking a lot of basic human qualities.

There is no human rights. I will make sure that anyone whom I know or meet does not go to qatar at all or never have a proper opinion about that country. Lots of my friend are saying how is qatar and all and they want to visit but now they wont at all

again, this isnt about islam, its about the racism that is routine in islamic countries... the, "youll get whipped if you talk to a woman but its ok to be a racist and hit people because its 'family day'"

still no one explained why the police didnt stop me at villagio on eid? I mean i was alone and walked in and out just fine.,

and just a few more to whet your appetite.

"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you." (Sura 9:122)

"make war on the leaders of unbelief..." (Sura 9:12)

"Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given [Jews and Christians]...until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued." (Surah 9:27-)

"Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme." (Surah 2:190-)

"Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it." (Surah 2:216)

"Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends." (Surah 5:51)

"Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme." (Surah 8:36-)

And let's not forget the Hadith which says: "And the Jews will hide behind the rock and tree, and the rock and tree will say: 'O Muslim, O servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!"

Im sure you can explain all of these.

Im guessing you dont understand the meaning of patronizing then. Ill give you sometime to look it over then read what you just said.

Oh and just one link to satisfy all your needs

http://www.pmw.org.il/tv%20part6.html

have fun.

Right now, im just taking the tone the workers get to hear every single day.

Trust me, ive got more muslim friends than you might think and they are from all over the world (from north africa to the subcontinent)

Just showing you guys how it feels to have your respect stomped on =)

and since you are so intent on explaining right now, I bet you can answer my question

Where are the mullahs now? Jumped ship?

dude didn't I tell you to stop patronizing me?

whats wrong with you?

still on with the branding.

still no explanation why the mullahs are so silent on the decades of abuse of workers here when they got their panties in a bunch over the mistreatment of some criminals in abu gharaib.

and youre making me sound like a christian for goodness sake.

for the record im against all organized religion, esp those that preach hate.

so you just get a lot of partners for killing people then?

gotcha

I didnt even quote the thing about killing the jews behind a rock and all.

and stop patronizing me ffs its sad to watch.

So these people arent following their religion then. Wow, if they cant be faithful to their own beliefs, no wonder they cant be to anyone else. Really lifts the image of muslims in my eyes.

http://www.peacewithrealism.org/jihad/jihad03.htm

Let those fight in the cause of Allah Who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of Allah, - whether he is slain or gets victory - Soon shall We give him a reward of great (value). (4:74)

As to the Righteous (they will be) in a position of Security, among Gardens and Springs; dressed in fine silk and in rich brocade, they will face each other; So; and We shall join them to Companions with beautiful, big, and lustrous eyes. (44:51-54)

As to the Righteous, they will be in Gardens, and in Happiness, - Enjoying the (Bliss) which their Lord hath bestowed on them, and their Lord shall deliver them from the Penalty of the Fire. (To them will be said:) "Eat and drink ye, with profit and health, because of your (good) deeds." They will recline (with ease) on Thrones (of dignity) arranged in ranks; and We shall join them to Companions, with beautiful, big, and lustrous eyes. (52:17-20)

They will recline on Carpets, whose inner linings will be of rich brocade: the Fruit of the Gardens will be near (and easy of reach). Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny? In them will be (Maidens), chaste, restraining their glances, whom no man or Jinn before them has touched. (55:54-59 [see also 55:70-74])

And on Thrones (of Dignity), raised high. We have created (their Companions) of special creation. And made them virgin - pure (and undefiled), - Beloved (by nature), equal in age, - For the Companions of the Right Hand. (56:34-38)

Verily for the Righteous there will be a fulfilment of (the heart's) desires; Gardens enclosed, and grapevines; And voluptuous women of equal age; And a cup full (to the brim). (78:31-34)

more?

beating is not the only form of racism here, the emirates are well known for racism and ill treatment of thier workers by keeping them in appalling conditions and not paying them on time or sometimes a fraction of what they are owed. but I guess islam doesnt cover the fact that you pay the people for their work either.

But wait, you have me convinced, there is some little obscure thing somewhere in islam about racism, so why havent the mullahs stood up yet? I mean they were quiet up in arms about the prisoner abuse at abu gharaib. how is this any different?

Im waiting for abu to call you an anti-american troll but I get a feeling he wont.

holy crap are you seriously going to go there? Me making generalizations? Dude name one country in the gulf region that isnt racist and abusive like this and ill go away.

Thought so.

Religion is a big part of it. Hell arent you guys constantly saying how your religion covers EVERY aspect of life? well so how come it doesnt say anything about racism?

oh and I guess you overlooked the other guy who just generalized 305,000,000 americans. says a lot about you.

"mouth of a dirty american" , "why you deserve any damage & destruction that would happen to your country" , "A shoe of a muslim is worth millions of dirty americans like you"

lmao you just proved my point. thanks.

Dude, instead of coming up with some solid points, you call me anti-islam and a troll, that alone shows the ground you stand on.

And I probably have more muslim worker friends here because I actually talk to them like a human being. Youd be surprised how far a little respect goes but again, seeing as how you immediately brand people, I can understand respect is a hard concept for you.

Well im just talking like the police/other qataris talk to some of my worker friends. Dont like it? too bad.

As for the islam part, yep I already know, its all about being selfish and abusing/killing others for getting those coveted 72 virgins. I just find it ironic that they call it the religion of peace and love while it orders its followers to kill people of other faiths and says nothing about racism.

I mean if it did then why didnt one of your mullahs here speak up yet about the apartheid thats going on in gulf? I guess they are too busy with one of their teenage virgins.

Call us Americans bad or w/e but atleast we stand up for people who cannot defend themselves.

I must say though, this type of ignorance is typical of a muslim country. Religion of peace and loving my ass.. These people are hypocrites on another level.

No, the solution is to allow them to bring their families here so they can live like normal people.

The problem is that the authorities here are just as clueless about this as you are.

unfortunately love and understanding is the rarest commodity here in the gulf.

Only things abundant here is petrodollars and racism.

so, ok, then, its ok for them to ogle because they can't get home then?Ohh, thats it then.....send them home more often then they won't stare.....perfect solution!

Theres no pleasure in such a life Alexa... just a need fulfilled..

do you beleive..

some hv beutiful wifes, some don't; some have girlfriends, some don't, some have money, some don't; some have influence, some don't, some are smart, some not..and the list is never short when it comes to luck!

I am just putting myself in the shoes of those less fortunate guys who out of dissatisfaction stare at women..

Staring can not be justified morally(so educate) but can be excused..

We need to fight this natural imbalance with love and understanding. Many social evils have disappeared that way.

what do you say?

lmao you really think its that simple right? I guess you never heard about numerous drivers and workers here who dont get to go back home for years on end.

seth......simpleton? what a bizarre word! No one 'makes' them live here love.....

again for all the simpletons who complain that the workers stare at women and what not, its Qatar's fault. I mean what do you expect when you make them live here for years on end without their wives?

I think anyone that looks should be whipped......and..it should be mandatory that anybody who could potentially look should wear dark sunglasses..so no one can witness the looking or indeed no one can see where the lookers are looking!!

u know wht its true....they look and stare too much....aaagghhhh....stop f**cking staring seriously its always the same......a group of like 15 workers standing on the side staring at anyone tht passing by...especially women and even men too....its ok for them to be there.....but goddammit stop staring!!!!

So why wasnt I stopped? are the police that racist? or maybe just dont have the balls to stop a white man? lol, hell why didnt they stop single girls then? I some enter villagio just fine. lemme guess, they probably tried to tell em it was family day....by bluetooth LMAO. seriously the police here are so incompetent it would be funny if it wasnt sad.

Oh and almost all of my indian/pakistani friends had trouble at the mall. I though walked in and out just fine.

As for the staring part...I gotta say that the girls at the mall here stare at me like they want me in bed that second (being a state swimming competitor has that effect) I mean seriously, they think that the hijab on their face hides their eyes lol I mean even when im with my girlfriend, they just dont get the message..what gives?

god people here are so pathetic. they try too hard but fail at everything.

growllll

Thank you!!!!!!!!! i have made this point a few times and i took photos of africans and arabs being removed from the Corniche.

It is a class issue more than anything.

"Staring is really human thing, after all have you ever seen a dog staring at another dog's Backside of the opposite sex? Sniff it maybe."

1. I do not stare I was brought up not to like many others.

2. I do not look at dogs sniffing each others back sides.

Osama... can i take you out for a walk one day?

You may get my point then....and you can chat to me instead of watching dogs' bums.

I am not so sure racism has anything to do with it...

I have seen Asian families in the malls... so out the window goes all the 'racism' chants...

It has EVERYTHING to do with economics and nothing else... (Some of the) People who spend do not like having the people who comparatively do not spend at these places. People have complained because of behavior that is rife amongst certain people and the malls are looking to protect that asset...

So quit with the racism crap...

They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin

Wow, I must take heart from this.. LOL

Edifis your humour is refreshing! i will take you any time you like to any mall... :)

Osama two wrongs dont make a right...neither is good.

Just understand what is socially acceptable... glancing is normal... but out and out continued staring is NOT.

I think edifis' idea is top... just having 'timings' and divide the Corniche...

one fat american wrote a very very intersting post taking it from the context of Sharia...

I am Asian and I am single. After hearing such stories I did not dare to go near any souq. I spent the whole vacation sitting at home.

Whipping Asians exclusively. Is'nt that also racist?

I wish I could leave Qatar as soon as I heard this Asian whipping story. But since I have a job here I have to take it in good humour. You know I would fight back If I could.

It would be grand if they built a big mall only for Asians who want to stare at woman. And if no woman wishes to go there they can use battery operated mannequin to substitute. And let them ogle and stare and whatever.... to their hearts content. Then this staring menace will be a thing of the past.

PS: They should keep some heritage cops too, so that the mannequins are not ravaged.

Hello everybody!

I will be arriving with my family in Qatar in 2 days time. It is sad to read about such discrimination. We lived 4 years in Abu Dhabi and there is no such discrimination anywhere. It didn't happen many times, but my wife was stared at by locals but she gave back as good as she got - they would walk a mile around her if they saw her again! I just hope she can do the same in Qatar without me having to bail her out of jail one day!

Nice to meet you all and read your comments. They sure are an eye-opener!

Osman, you are a tad bit disgusting. :) Just my 2c.

Osman................................

I know what you meant.

Lighten up, go with the flow

just eat another pie

Alexa............................................

I probably have to agree with you on that one

just sniff another pie

Osman...........................................

Why bring pigs into it. Remember, a pigs for life not just for christmas

Does that mean that the men can sniff the women in the malls, as long as they keep their eyes shut..

just eat another pie

I go to the malls to stare at people. It's a new found hobby.

Well, I go to malls to stare at beutiful women whom my my eyes catch, come back watch some more porn on satellite TV, shoot and sleep. That gives me a 10 hrs good sleep after a hectic week of work. However I have not harmed a woman yet in my life. I don't look at family women and those in Abhaya but those gud looking chicks that expose their body( Thank u all) for I respect the law and the privacy of conservative women. Such a law is definitely a loss for me. Don't you think?

theres absolutely nothing wrong with whipping ne'erdowells.......it never hurt my toddler when she receives it so it shouldn't hurt these grown men that should know better than to enter a shopping mall!

this is why we miss Mrs Charan...we all hope to see her soon...

Whipping is racism? It's Law Enforcement.lol :)

Life is Beautiful...Indeed!

I want to stare & Ogle at you non-stop :)

Ban Spoon Feeding not Me

Rules are rules .. either we like it or not

About the woman who complains about photo shooting her by men .. i think as usual ..she was wearing an " eye catching " pieces" !.. or an underwear like usual ..or maybe a sleeping shirt !

It reminded me when I heard a bout photo shooting Arabic girls with out there knowledge in the west because they wear long black dresses and they call it funny !

when I live in any country I shall respect their traditions if not their religion at least ..things like these rarely happened

-Real eyes..realize..real liese

you contradict yourself first you say 'who doesn't stare at women' and then you state 'treat them (men) like human beings.....

FYI lots of nice men do NOT stare or gawp...we aren't talking about glancing but constant staring

and FAT A - thanks for your post and perspective...food or thought

The problem is not about racism but about injustice. allowing certain people in and certain not is not fair. Telling one to marry or have a lady with him to enter is too much for asking for a forced bachelor to enjoy vacations. All should get equal right irrespective of race or gender. That is a wise man's demand.

what is the guarantee that married men won't stare at other women. Just observe your man when you next visit mall with him!

Agreed Alexa, but you and I know very well that there is no Sharia law being applied or to rephrase; shariah law is applied in very limited areas such as divorce or inheritance but most of the rules in the sharia deal with transactions that take place or deal with societies affairs (economic, political, social, judicial, ruling systems and foreign affairs).

You reminded of the hadith of the prophet (saw) who said, to paraphrase' The pay the employee his wage before his sweat dries' !!!!!!

Firstly,

It is already well known that at certain times or time of the year that certain areas are 'no-go' areas for Bachelors - by the way no specific race was singled out but due to the sheer volume of single men from the Indian Subcontinent- the rules weigh heavily on them.

The rules are there because of the fact that there is lack of capacity/infastructure to absorb all the people into all the popular locations. This is something that needs to be addressed.

There have been numerous reports of single men behaving in immoral ways. Of course not all single men are immoral but why would the authorities take such a risk in allowing thousands of single males into areas wherein there are many families/ single women and many families with young females with them?

Secondly,

If the police deem it necessary to use some force to control the crowds then it is their perogative and their right. It happens in all societies - US and European police use horses/ batons / water/ Gas to control crowds-- just go to youtube to see it for yourself.

Thirdly,

The concept of Human Rights comes from the western or capitalist Ideology and contradicts many tenants of Islamic law. According to Human Rights man has the 'freedom of reglion' and 'freedom of speech', 'freedom of association' and 'freedom of ownership'.

In Islam a muslim cannot change his religion - if a muslim becomes an apostate then he is given a period of time to re-think his decision- if he persists then he is killed- thus there is no 'freedom of religion' in Islam.

A muslim cannot say what he wants. He cannot blaspheme prophets or God. A muslim is censored for lying or talking disparingly to his parents. A muslim cannot write erotic novels and there are many other things a muslim cannot say/write - thus in Islam there is no 'freedom of speech'

A muslim cannot associate with whom he pleases. There are rules on segregation/ free mixing and the manner and context in which interaction between these sexes takes place as defined by Sharia - hence there is no 'freedom of association' in Islam.

A Muslims cannot own what he wants. In Islam certain properties remain the property of the muslims at large such as the oil/gas/coal , water and certain types of land- all of which cannot be privatised or owned by private individuals- thus freedom of ownership does not exist in Islam.

Thus I frankly don't give a damn what the 'Human Rights' organisations and legislation state because it is not what I or muslims should use a a yardstick. Or yardstick is the sharia and anything else that agrees or contradicts with it remains kufr (disbelief). Thus Democracy or Capitalism and all of its concepts such as the call to Human Rights are forbidden for muslims to adopt and support and call for.

Islam has its own rules and systems and thoughts to deal with societies affairs in a comprehensive and complete manner. When Islam was implemented comprehensively, the muslims were the leading nation for 1400 years. When Islam was not implemented the muslims became declined, split into over 55 nations and have become weak, exploited and humiliated from Kosovo to Xinjaing in China.

Thus, Racism if forbidden in Islam, like nationalism (asabiya) is forbidden. Muhammed (saw) said'The Islamic Ummah is one Ummah to the exlusion of others'.

Therefore if the actions of denying access to bachelors is proved to be racist then it is rejected. If the action is some ill-thought solution to controlling access and crowd control to certain places then it is up to them though I am sure there are better ways of doing it.

Well, its very interesting reading all those who argue for and against this. But let me tell you one thing, dear Gents and Ladies; I am sure that all this is not interesting for the poor workers who got baton charged and whipped. I see a lot of of people who had posted above are trying to be "Brown Sahibs". They have forgotten that these are also people from their own countries. These poor guys are away from their wives, children, girl friends, etc. and they undergo all the insults, inhuman living conditions and the scorching sun in order to build a better future for them and their loved ones. Also, they have contributed immensely towards the development of this country through their hardwork. Yes, they do it for a salary, but if they are not here who will build the roads, maintain the cleanliness of the cities, build buildings, houses so that all of us enjoy luxurious living.

They stare at women??? of course, those who speak as if they are squeeky clean will also do that if they are away from their wives/girlfriends for two years...

The problem is that some people tend to forget who they are and where they come from. Mostly, becuase of people like this that all try to bulldoze over people from South Asia. Once I was in line to get my passport stamped at the Dubai Airport and did not notice that the Officer has beckoned me to come to him. He was sarcastic and asked me whether I was sleeping for which I retorted "I don't sleep while standing, but do you?", which left him speechless. He would have thought that since I'm a South Asian, that I will take all the crap and be silent. Well, he got the shock of his life, I guess. We should speak up so that others will know that being from less privileged countries doesn't mean that we are pushovers.

If someone does something wrong, let the law of the land take charge. That doesn't mean that all should be branded as wrongdoers.

no, no, no, abubabooo, thanks to nomad, who did it!

I have sent an e-mail to them, calling them "fu*king racists" concerning their politics in Doha. Wonder if they will reply.

nomad, I suggested this in my post at 7:46. You just did it!

YES! you got me. as if they have the brains and hands to run this expat-dependent country! they have the resources but all those will be inutie hadn;t for the brains and hands of the very people they're allergic to go on shopping with! what a logic this people have!

MD, though boycotting the malls is a good idea, it would not sit well with my family (for where else can they go but the malls?). so doing this also helps no?

nomad, hats off!

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

Boom-bastic!

i have taken two or three of these bachelors with us in villaggio malls on two occassions, i have even allowed them to hold hands with my kids so the guards would not notice.

i just cant stand the way these people are being shooeed away by the guards.

no i am busy, right now.

I am not say anything now.

Alexa,

They must have stolen the design from the Speedo Olympic Limited edition.

to tell you frankly even in he cinema any one who bring any girl with him and even the very cheap women can have a seat in the family section with kisses and other things that i saw in my eyes going on,not any man and a woman are family pleeeeease

Something should be done here. This shouldn't go on forever!

Live Life free of worries

Edifis...mayor misconception from your side.....have you tried it? I have...just as many stares.

Alexa

If you have... just as many stares after wearing an Abaya, I can conclude that this abaya was manufactured by Speedo.

i dont stare back, not my style.

Being Proactive is not always good. If some body stares at you you should make a monkey face or stare back at the most. Why would you use expletives.

i dont,.. i just tell them to F-O...

Then you should not have problem with somebody staring at you.

no way...my clothes are fine, thank you...

I think it should be made compulsory for all ladies to wear Abaya and cover their face while inside the mall. Then there will be nothing to stare at, and everyone can enter.

Why that, Alexa? I stare at the Ladies, too! Specially the nice ones, like you, for example.

Maybe every time we go in one of the malls we could take one of the "bachelors" with us.?

I dont know upto what extend its gonna help writing over here but still feel satisfied and expect things will change.

I have decided to boycott CITY CENTER and VILLAGIO, keep writing to the concerend authorities and what best is to interact with the local itselfs for eg. ur local friend, ur collague or net friend convey these messages personally in a decent manner and make sure it does not have wrong impression of other nationalities.

The Heritage Police are on duty at Souq Waqif and wear a ghutra and agal with a khaki uniform.

Mandi

What is a Heritage policeman? Are they the fancy dress police men like the Thompson and Thomson in Blue Lotus?

yes, something needs to be done.... but who will?

Another "voice" speaking of "Racism".

Media must highlight issues like racism: Academic

Web posted at: 10/3/2008 3:27:51

Source ::: The Peninsula

DOHA • Media here have a clear role to play in highlighting issues like the latent racism which apparently exists in Qatar. In doing so, media can highlight such issues to the public and bring them to the attention of the higher authorities here.

With the advent of Eid, malls here barred single men, primarily Asians, from entering the premises with one senior mall security manager even claiming doing so was a matter of "mall honor". Incidents in the souq area, a gathering point for the many Asian workers here, brought to the attention of the public the plight of the low-income group, with them being subjected to actual physical violence.

Professor Richard Roth, Associate Dean of the Medill School of Journalism at Northwestern University here, told The Peninsula: "I have read a couple of pieces (on the issue) online. But my knowledge beyond that is limited. I cannot really comment on whether media have done a good or a bad job but I am glad people are being informed. These reports have called the issue to the attention of the public and something needs to be done."

Roth said: "The media's role is to place a spotlight on problems and not to govern or preach. The journalist's job is to uncover things and by doing so, alerting the public and perhaps even embarrass the higher authorities into taking action."

However, there has been a sea-change in the role of media here, he said. Whereas as recently as 10 years ago the press shied away from reporting such incidents, there has since been an attitude change. "I am delighted," said Roth.

One thing I dont get is ...is the staring problem a Doha thing?? Coz I have lived in Dubai for about 4 yrs, they have a lot more construction going on, lot more laborers and a higher number of such bachelors and i have never seen this kind of a segregation there....in fact the city centre there is jam packed with people on fridays...a lot of em Asian bachelors...

If the problem is business transactions or lack of it, what they can do is sell vouchers for a minimum amount at the entrance(like an entry ticket)that can be redeemed at any outlet in the mall...

I guess its simply that these guys are an eyesore(with their economic backwardness) for whoever is behind this law and hence wants em out of eyesight! (Yeah bury em in the industrial area!!)

I hate political jokes...seen too many of 'em get elected!!

Isn't it racism mixed with classism?

because it is NOT just Asians being barred from the Corniche...just come back from there.

Its like pre-revolutionary France or Russia... its persecution of the poor.

And the only offensive behaviour I saw in the last two hours that could offend cultural sensibilities .....was that of two western ladies....

they should have been asked to leave

Great post Alexa, and it is true 100%, sadly there are others out there with their own 'mein kampf' agendas and their main reason for complaining has nothing really to do with the plight of the workers, you come across as more genuine.

I refuse to be drug into a fight.

I 100% agree with you Alexa (for the first time ever).

Unfortunately when you do, you get called a racist. Simple fact!!

Whatever, I can only pray that in the end justice gets served.

yes, racism exists everywhere. But nowhere in the UK or the USA would this be allowed to happen.

If I’m seen as a racist (I’ve never been called one before becoming a member on QL) than so be it, as this is not my intention. My intention is to help the plight of all the victims of countries (not just Qatar) as the world is such an injustice place and the only way to too deal with this is fight, which unfortunately includes bumping heads with people as their pride gets in the way.

One thing that always offends me are people (especially the “police watch dogs”) who find it “natural” and normal for people to be treated in such a malicious way. The reason being is that YOUR not walking in their shoes and have not had to put up with the humiliation of being one of them; that is of an Asian, African decent so who are you to judge and comment on these issues?? If you haven’t been the victim of racism before how can you judge and agree with such laws that prevent people such a simple pleasure from going into a mall or the corniche?

Boycott these malls – all they produce is a materialist world which at the end does not bring happiness. By boycotting them and making a stance is saying, hell we won’t put up with this type of discrimination anymore.

Before you “police watch dogs” carry on about how this goes on in the west and the west is not perfect blah blah I KNOW IT ISNT and yes EVERY country has is problems but this site is called QATAR LIVING…..not FINLAND LIVING or INDIA LIVING – so for the naïve that is why we discuss Qatar *sighs*

The saddest part when I am visiting Qatar is seeing those poor chaps cower when they see me a westerner – like a beaten down dog. I feel sick to the bone when I see this happen as I am no better them than, so why do they feel this way?? Discrimination!!

BOYCOTT these places, write letters to the papers, and say enough is enough. Do I really want to be living in a country where so much human misery exists?

PM, suggesting you are a beautiful woman, I would also stare at you, although I am not Nepalese and although I am married.

Another beautiful Day in Eid

Crackdown: Many arrested for selling offensive cds, running private taxis

Web posted at: 10/3/2008 3:33:34

Source ::: The Peninsula

Vendors selling pirated CDs and pan masala, a betel nut mix, on Grand Hamad Street yesterday. (ABDUL BASIT)

Doha • The police arrested a number of people in the souq area yesterday for various offences, which included being drunk in public, selling CDs containing offensive material and operating private taxi services, taking advantage of the Eid rush.

On the third day of Eid, the area witnessed chaotic scenes as police forcefully stopped groups of single men from entering certain parts of the souqs. Entry to Souq Najada and Souq Waqif was strictly restricted to families, while other souqs were open to so-called "bachelors".

A heritage policeman who was on duty near Souq Najada told The Peninsula yesterday many people were taken into custody from the area for indulging in illegal activities. "You can see what they are doing over there. They come here drunk and create problems. Some are selling offensive CDs. Many people were taken into custody today for such offences," said the policeman.

This newspaper witnessed a scene in front of Souq Najada where three people were pushed into a pick-up truck by police patrolling the area. Police were seen stopping any single man trying to enter the Souq Najada area from Grand Hamad Street. However, The Peninsula was allowed in when police were told: "We are from the media."

The heritage policeman, surprisingly, was more than willing to talk when asked about the entry ban. The policeman said some drivers were also arrested for operating illegal taxis to the area. "The entry ban will continue through the Eid holidays and also during weekends," he said.

At around 4pm, several private cars were seen parked on the other side of the street, apparently waiting for customers. Groups of single men, mostly from Nepal and Bangladesh, were waiting outside Souq Najada, which was cordoned off by the police.

"I came here just to pass the time. I would have gone to the Corniche, but we are not allowed there," said a Bangladeshi. Asked if he had come to buy something, he said: "I will buy before I go on vacation."

A Nepalese man said he was waiting for the souq to open. "Police told us the souq will open at 6pm and we will be allowed to enter at that time," he said hopefully.

There was a huge crowd on the other side of the Grand Hamad Street, just behind the Karwa bus terminal. Pirated CDs and Pan Parag, an Indian betel nut mix, were being sold there by part-time vendors. Most of the CDs were of Hindi and Bengali movies and film songs. The CDs were selling for QR2 and QR3 apiece and there was no shortage of customers.

The Nepalese chatt, a form of dried nut, was also on sale. A Nepalese man selling the item said: "We are getting these from some distributors in Doha. I come to this area during the holidays and I can earn QR40 to QR100 in a day."

Asked if there was police checking in the area, he said: "When the police come we will pack up our things and just run away."

Dubai 1 Doha 0 (or should I say -1)

Maybe should keep a running score over the coming years?

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

Its really some sort of Racism going over here.

Yesturday I was out with my friend just decided to kill time by going to City center to do shopping and enjoy bowling but was really got ashamed when we were stopped on the gate just being bachelors. Worst part was just next to us was a Westerner and Qatari and that stupid security guard allowed them to go.

We are from India, well educated, decent family and well brougt up to behave in public places but we are clueless why we were stopped. If it was a family day then all the bachelors should be stopped going inside the so called hip hop shopping mall or put a clear board on the gate that ASIANS BACHELORS ARE NOT ALLOWED.

I strongly think they should do it because atleaste we will not be in contact with the below mentioned human beings

1) womens with KGS of make up on their faces and who are not less than 150 kgs feel far better than angelina jolie meanwhile who forgets her dozens of kids with one poor nanny and got no consideration to keep her kids in to some limitations and boundaries.

2) spoilt brats who can misbahave with other nationalities kids, womens, gents thinking its their right.

3) gentlemans who thinks ASIAN BACHELORS are just out to swallow the ladies and with whom they can ill treat at any given place whether in queue, food court, cinema hall, elavators etc

Really hope less, they keep on talking big about the developments and the growth in the country but at the same time just take a reverse gear in many points. Well they should learn great lessons with neighbour country which has become a world hub without any racism.

I wish I could do some thing......

I like the points you both make

1. The home governments are partially to blame

2. I think this is class rather than racial discrimination... as i saw Asians, Africans and Arabs not being allowed (and took photos)

for the Corniche... well why dont they divide it?

0-3.5 km.... families

3.5 - 7 km ... single males

for the Malls - same thing... family time after a certain time

So what about the 1 million British people who marched through London in protest at the invasion of Iraq? Were they preparing racist material against Islam? Somehow, I doubt it.

Just do the maths...that's one out of every sixty people in Britain coming out onto the streets to try to defend a muslim country from being attacked. Many of those people travelled hundreds of kilometres to be at that protest.

We must interpret a bad temper as a sign of inferiority.

Said by alferd adler.

i have witnessed the whole sad episode. i can only say it was inhuman.

Yippeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! Another day in Paradise! Just about to have Pork Sausages and Smokey Bacon with Poached eggs for Brekkers! All washed down with a large Gin! Hic! Luvvit! How are all the Luvvies today? Planning a trip to Sea Line? Zippydoooooooo! Have fun! Hic!

which is a good point for me to put this debate, and myself, to bed.

Until tomorrow.

or whatever your nick is this time!

What is your opinion in the situation without cramming the anti-west agenda in?

"if another race did what they do...they would suffer the same consequences"

I don't really get what you are trying to say here. You seem to suggest that some specific action on the part of the workers justifies the punishment meted out.

From what I have read, the guys who were whipped were only trying to go to the souks and there's no law against that...is there?

I think I have an inbuilt reaction to this sort of thing that makes me want to shout as loud as I can to make sure the voiceless get a fair hearing.

That's all I am doing here really.

I am just wondering why these wifes keep looking at men who are staring at them? are they counting their fans? I think the solution is simple all should be allowed to move freely in the public places and police should keep a vigil on the bad apples and remove them.

I'm not saying there's no racism in Britain...far from it. I have actively campaigned against racism for decades and I haven't deluded myself into thinking it's gone away.

But what I said above is 100% true. If any of the major malls suddenly decided that Indians and Nepalis were not allowed in they would be shut down within minutes and the management prosecuted. And imagine if, say, Brighton Council decided to ban Pakistanis from going to the beach. How long do you think it would be before there were 100,000+ people (many white) marching along the seafront to protest?

And don't think that racism only comes from white people in Britain. The scourge has spread among all communities, white, black, Asian, Muslim, Christian...the lot.

This situation just makes me sad.

Years ago, during the Aparthied years, I used to take shifts standing on the permanent demonstration outside the South African Embassy in London. The picket was manned 24 hours a day for about 15 years.

When Mandela walked out of jail I hoped I would never again see a situation where people were segregated on the grounds of race and skin colour.

Yet here I am, twenty years later, living in a country where people belonging to certain races are being openly whipped in the streets for doing nothing more than trying to social with their friends.

In South Africa there used to be signs all over the place saying "No Blacks". I hope to God we never see that sort of thing here.

Thinking more about the solution. What I said above still holds in the short-term, but there's only really a medium to long-term fix to this problem.

Let's consider why these guys stare at women. Many of them live crammed 15 to a room with other men. They have no contact at all with women. They are not allowed to bring their wives, they are not allowed to have girlfriends. Most of these guys are at an age when they would normally marry and have kids. They are going crazy for the love and touch of a women. Put in their position, I think I might be tempted to stare as well! So - one solution would be to allow married labourers to bring their wives here. This has already been mooted in Government circles.

Although I hate what they do to these men at the malls, I can see that 3,000 guys hanging around whilst not spending any money is not an attractive proposition for the owners. I can never support this ban on labourers at the malls...but if the authorities built them some leisure facilities and shopping areas more suited to their limited spending power, then not so many of them would try to go to the malls. They should also be given decent housing...you can see why they would want to escape the decrepit shacks they are forced to live in during their one day off a week.

I think the labourers' own governments are also part of the solution. They should do much more to make sure their citizens get are treated with respect and are not robbed of their dignity. If the current situation continues they should refuse to allow their people to come and work in this country. Once the labour supply started to suffer shortages and the buildings stopped going up the attitude may change.

In Britain, my home country, displaying recist behaviour is a criminal offence. If these bans were put in place there, the people pushing them would end up in jail. Now I know that's not going to happen here. But putting an end to the freedom to be disgustingly racist is also part of the long-term solution.

Hope that provides some fodder for further discussion on this.

PS: I was by the pool at the Intercontinental yesterday. Three Gulf Arabs lads were staring at all the western women in their swimsuits and bikinis. One of them was so fixated on a leggy blonde girl, he very nearly walked straight into the pool whilst fully thobed. I can't tell you how much I was willing it to happen...it would have been the funniest moment of my life. Do you think they should be banned for staring at women?

If it did they wouldn't let me into Villagio when I go down there on my own, which I do a lot. But then I am a white, western, six feet two male.

I also have no problems if I want to visit the Souk or the Corniche.

It's one rule for the poor Labourers...and another rule for everybody else.

If the family day was genuine I would be thrown out with the other guys.

It is blatant, racist descrimination.

whipping is just wrong. Inshallah once I'm back from Bahrain, I'm going to be calling up the HRA to see what their stance is on this.

It's unacceptable.

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i am not degrading this poor people who wanted to get in the malls or city center, but the fact that it is clearly written a family day, they should not force themselves in, they should just ask when would it be open for public. These securities are forced to do harsh because it is their duty to do their job, but how or what could a security do if these people insisted going in while the order or instruction is for family only? It is really saddening to see them turned back off but it is relieving also that there are days like these for family we can enjoy strolling at the shopping center without too much crowded.

"There's nothing we can do to change the past, if it teaches  you a lesson profit from it then, forget it."

Life is beautiful Indeed! when you know the "Fact"

My solution is simple.

Treat every citizen as a human being. Let people go where they want, when they want.

What's the problem with that?

We've seen this disgusting policy before in South Africa...it was called Aparthied.

Hearing about downtrodden and vulnerable people being whipped for attempting to go to the shops or head to the seafront makes me feel sick. It actually makes me want to leave Qatar for good.

The levels of inhumanity in this country are abhorrent. The people who introduced and support this vile policy should be ashamed of themselves.

Shame on them all.

yes often it is

thats why people go to Amsterdam - Cancun - Bahrain etc

so they can behave badly because there isn't the condemnation of the community...

Its funny where there is a strict social ethic there is always the sin town near by to let of steam!

but certain cultural practices or beliefs in what are social norms you transfer from your point of origin: like queueing ....and i will always be a pain in the butt and i will always roll my eyes about queue jumpers. and i will always screw up my face when someone spits.

Well I have been to places where others dont go often and people have not been exposed to anything but their own regional/local culture and have had no education - and been treated very well.

Nor do i think a sudden exposure to different ways instigates this behaviour.

I think people come here with their cultural habits and thats how they behave.

Cultural habits which are accepted in their point of origin are not acceptable to others.

I think a good analogy would be a brit going out for a few pints. Thats his culture and he will practice it upon arrival in a new land.

Some will stare and spit..because for them it is ok for them.

I will wear my hair uncovered because it is ok for me. etc No doubt some of my cultural habits upset others too.

ie humour such as satire.

we will have to agree to disagree on this one.

I have been to heaps of poor places and been treated with the utmost respect and courtesy.

these experiences have been humbling and yes some of the poorest people have behaved like absolute gentlemen.

how people maintain their dignity in the face of such an adverse harsh daily existence is beyond me.

Incidents in countries like yemen, sudan, mozambique all spring to mind....

I don't think it is a poverty issue i think it is a cultural issue.

A cultural issue on how one treats women and how one treats visitors to your country.

One thinks that one will find that Carrefour ici dont do much in the way of Champagne and Slugs in Shells. Now Fauchon in Place De Madelaine Paris is another story. I shop there whenever in Paris.....they ave'great Pate du Frou Frou and the biggest baguettes in town! Yippeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!Vive le gin!

Yippeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! Send those hot bints over to my place........................rock on baby! Hic!

Did any single women get whipped and beaten?

If not then its not only racist but sexist as well.

Wimmin´s libbers.....stand up and be beaten....I mean counted

just eat another pie

No they dont but the whole point is that carrefour is French so should be closed down in anycase. Vive la Frogs! Zooy alors! Bien Venue! Yippeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Je suis Pierre, jádore le gin! Hic!

FFS it is simple!!!!! Buy your meat once a week at Meggamart and EVERYTHING else buy from your local store. Most petrol stations have small grocery shops and vegetable shops that are a damn site cheaper than Carrfour and at least u dont have to put up with the Carrefour experience which is a NIGHTMARE! STOP CHATTING ABOUT THIS PROBLEM OF BACHELORS AND LETS HAVE ACTION!!!! EXPOSE BARREFOUR FOR WHAT IT IS - MERDE!

Oryx - Yes I have been abroad studying for quite some time. What did you find from your research?

i hate being stared at....i find it upsetting because it starts with staring...if it is not stopped then some think it is ok to follow...etc etc.

i couldnt care less what their opinion of me was...

just treat me with respect and vice versa.

and I hate this Corniche situation

Your discourse style is not in keeping with the prevailing Qatari style...then i would now think that you have been partially 're-socialised' by living/being educated outside of Qatar for a period of time.

Actually you could be Amnesia's naughty brother!

I did some research on the way learning English effects the identity of Qatari males.

I think leaflets would work for some nationalities because they dont get given a lot - and they do look at them.

but there was a western chick with a dog on the corniche and that wasn't stopped although it is not allowed...so the dogs get better treatment than people :(

that is what I am talking about. during that time, all the bachelors can go and shop and stare or do whatever it is that takes them to the next day. The way I understand it is- these men are like prisioners in a jail (of sorts) when they see females, it is like an instant woody!!

So long as they are complimenting me, they can stare all they want!!

oryx : 3fwan, I presumed you expected me to talk or have certain ideas because you kept suggesting I was not Qatari, I don't see why anyone would want to pretend they are another nationality on an online forum, it is lame and serves no purpose, but I am 100% Qatari.

Leaflets don't work here, people ignore them. Cops need to enforce the laws properly, but that won't happen if I am seeing them breaking the laws regularly by not wearing their seat belts or using their cellys while driving.

LOL

oh I had that exact same thought today in Landmark

all quiet then

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

the other week a child ran up to the cashier and grabbed my card out of the machine whilst i was paying at the till. It was about to do it for the second time until i said no.Mother just watching.

Later i got an SMS saying the transaction had gone thru twice.Then had to go to the bank and sort it out. find parking queue up.... etc all because of this feral child.

yes lets have NONE family days... so we can go shopping in peace!

ummmmm I have met loads of Qataris and there is no 'fixed idea' a rich mosaic..... if we were face to face i would delve a little deeper to understand you...but this is a public forum.

anyway i think the Corniche thing is very easy to solve...nus nus..

half for families say from 0km t 3.5km and the other half for guys on their own.

Also leaflets should be handed out about how to behave on the Corniche...to ALL

No throwing of rubbish

No sptting

and if they want to patrol fine..but throw people off for breaking a rule not for breathing.

here is what i have to say about this whole thing--I am not a bachelor and I am one of the females that gets stared at by many men of many different nationalities. Sometimes I feel uncomfortable- but that is mostly due to the act that I do not know what it is they are saying to each other since they speak in their native language.

What bothers me is.....all these families that go into the shopping malls with their out of control little ones running around, getting in everybodies way or standing on the counters at the fast food joints- allowed to place their nasty shoes where food is served!! There should be specific times when ONLY FAMILIES WITH SHIT-HEAD SPOILED CHILDREN are allowed to enter. I will then know to stay away from all the malls!! Parents in this country need to go to school to learn how to teach their young ones to behave. It is NOT the job of the nanny or the maid- it is the parents responsibility....then again, they were probably allowed to act the very same way when they were young-

opinion stated, problem not solved!

Oryx: Sorry not to fit your idea of what a Qatari is supposed to be like. My viewpoint is pretty clear, it's a sad situation, and it's pathetic how it is being dealt with.

would you like to elucidate your view point...

i am not entirely convinced that you are Qatari...

thanks

Sad and pathetic situation really.

Find some alternatives to do during Eid and Fridays rather than go to malls and souqs. Simple as that.

...well unless many people who were whipped yesterday can read this post...

"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach

'stare at women (for gods sake girls get used to it),'

well maybe you speak for the women in your family but dont speak for all of us.... it is NOT true.

I looked at that and my first thought that sounds like a typical Brit Sexist Pig.... and then i checked your profile and saw you were actually from the UK.

It pains me you value women so little.

I am furious with this comment and it is upsetting and it is NOT true.

Dont any male please ever think harrassment and intimidation of any sort is excusable...and that we 'get used to it'.

We put up with it but it is saddening and scary. there are lots and lots of lovely boys out there and thank you for being lovely..

You said it there.Where's lifeisbeautiful after your comment?!he's not talking.LOL

any Adey,yeah,ITS ALL ABOUT RACISM.that all i can see.

Live Life free of worries

You're right about the laborers. What they are experiencing sucks actually. Where is lifeisbeautiful now anyway after u said that comment?! Is he in the mall now?!he's not talking.LOL

And Adey,Yah,ITS JUST ALL ABOUT RACISM.thats the root cause as far as I could see.

Live Life free of worries

If we all belive so strongly ythat these workers are being abused, then boycott the family days..

Surely that wil;l send a message to the malls.

How can this country progress with this kind of apartheid going on?

Eid is the time for all to enjoy and spend time together. How can this government turn a blind eye to this injustice towards "bachelors" who worked hard to build this country?

As long as there are stupid people like 'life is beautiful' around, I guess this will go on.

As a bachelor, I went to Salam Stores this morning. As a bachelor I was welcomed into the place by the guards. As a bachelor I spent over 3 grand on a new camera lens and camera bag .... that is where the difference lies, and that, unfortunately, is why some bachelors get better treatment than others. It sucks, but it's life.

Did you Google it first?

i could probably draw some strained comparison between these bachelors and the whipping boys who used to be part of the king's courts in England. They're being whipped for no fault of their own, but for somebody else's faults.

The same way as the whipping boys were whipped mercilessly when the young princes skipped lessons, or for whatever mischief they committed.

I know this sounds pathetically facile, but if I (as a blonde) feel I'm being stared at I simply avert/drop my eyes. Problem solved. Now if someone were to make a grab for me that would be a different matter. They'd find themselves on the floor with my boot in the back of their neck. I make a distinction between my problem and someone else's.

Mandi

thanks for abridging my comment ;o) i guess that they will need reasoned arguments at some stage (maybe not on QL!) if they are to get any help

nadt, not at all, I'm used to it.

I don't think anyone is disagreeing with you.

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

MD, maybe Qlers dont understand because they just "stare" at your posts. Does that make you uncomfortable?

when the ministry officials interview the workers, they are under pressure to say that everything is ok. anyone who has spoken out where my husband works has then been dismissed and deported. despite having c*** jobs, most of the workers have sold their land/houses to come and work here. can you imagine having to go back home and explain to your family that you made a mistake of that magnitude?

the sad thing is that they could now be earning the same amount of money in their own countries if they were working the same hours as here...

what would you do if you were asked by someone and risked deportation and come from a very passive nation. also, the paperwork doesn't match up as workers are told to sign in but not sign out. therefore everything looks above board...this is true of the case i know but might not apply in other situations...

I applaud you.

you wrote at great length and in a reasoned and articulate manner, if I may can I shorten it to....

It is racist and wrong!

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

I should start whipping QLers who don't "understand" my posts.

"Whip them because they dont undestand", hmm how nice.....Im with tallg, a boycott of the malls is a great idea..

Why is everybody so quiet when the "facts" are on the table?

ha! terms and conditions...

my husband is nepali...we carefully went through his contract, from a well-known 5* hotel here, and asked for amendments etc to be written in. in its original form, it was barely decipherable to a native speaker. despite that, he is forced into working more hours than his contract states with varying degrees of overtime paid, and very few days off or faces deportation. we have been to ministry of labour, HRC etc and it makes no difference because he essentially has the wrong passport. Therefore, i totally disagree with you lifeisbeautiful.

i lived in nepal for nearly 3 years and travelled to india many times and was not approached or stared at as many times as i have been here by arabs and/or westerners as they seem to think it is their right to do so as i'm white and obviously used to it/can take it. they would never dare do that to a Qatari woman. and guess what, i survive being stared at. i still have two legs, arms, both eyes, ears etc and am fit and healthy so is it really the end of the world?

however, you're talking about Indians and maybe that's the difference. maybe Indians are as you say, "take freedom for granted and take indiscipline to the highest levels." such a huge generalisation to make about your own countrymen...I guess that patriotism is stronger where i come from!

i think your facts are wrong as well...all of the nepalis that we know here who are employed by the same companies you are talking about are married. there is no difference in their pay depending on marital status.

lifeisbeautiful you say "I say why don't these men give a serious thought to everything before they decide to land up in a job"...do you honestly think that manpower agents or the companies tell the men the working conditions? do you really think that the companies/agencies target people who are well-educated and can read/write to offer them jobs as a labourer? do you really think that they are given a contract in a language that they can read? do you think that all of them can read and have any idea what they are signing? do you really think that they are allowed to dispute anything that is different once they arrive? if you do, then the mind boggles and it's not worth discussing anymore. it would be of more use for you to go onto an Indian forum and tell people what they're getting into when they accept a job here...

cross-dressing may be one solution but do you think they can afford to buy an abaya?!

"tier rating: Tier 3 - Qatar's rating was downgraded to Tier 3 in the 2007 report for continuing to detain and deport victims rather than providing them protection; the government also failed to increase prosecutions for trafficking in a meaningful way in 2006; workers complaining of working conditions or non-payment of wages were sometimes prosecuted under false charges in retaliation"

Source: CIA World Factbook 2008

A "deal". Sounds so convincing, corleone.

i thought the UN award was a deal so they would stop using those small kids as camel jockeys?

"huge financial implication for the companies", exactly. And that would make it impossible to have an economic growth as they have it now. But: it comes at the cost of reducing Human Rights. And, since Qatar was awarded by the UN for "observing" the Human Rights, I just wonder how much they paid. They are still on Tier 3, though, which is the worst!

I really appreciate your concerns for these 'bachelors' and I wonder how many of us really think as progressively as you guys do. MD,giving a 'Family Status' has a huge financial implication for the companies which hire these 'bachelors'. As a matter of fact,most compaies hire them coz they are cheaper than the married ones. The Emploment Offers of these man necessarily states 1. The Salary/Package and 2. Terms and Conditions wnich specify the rules governing their employment. I say why don't these men give a serious thought to everything before they decide to land up in a job. The point is,it's not their 'single' status which makes them do things to irritate them.It's just the culture and lack of disciplie in their home countries. Believe me,I have seen a lot of staring,commenting,grabing etc. to understand where the problem is. I'm an Indian and I'am proud to be one.It's just that fair is fair. Indian Bachelors need to mend their ways before they cry foul. It's just that they take freedom for granted and take indiscipline to the highest levels. We really deserve to get our butts kicked on that front. You just have to visit one of the metros in India to understand my frustration.

That said,Qatar authorities also need to understand that there is something called the Human Rights and that they are dealing with Normal People with emotions and feelings like themselves. Whipping and pushing can cause momentary discipline but it will not help in the long term.

The issue of westerners and arabs staring at women is not as big a problem as the oe with the people from subcontinent and egyptians. That's my honest two cent.

Life is Beautiful...Indeed!

lol, corleone.

just stand near a giant fan

Make sure it swings open when you walk.

but MD, i wanna show off my legs.

Yeah, flan, you should wear an abaya. Would be the first time then that you are stared at!

the answer is simple, let's start cross dressing.

if you or your wife are angry about being stared at it sounds like you are walking around the mall waiting for someone to stare so that you can pounce on them. is your life really that boring? why aren't you engaged in conversation with your wife? if you don't walk around looking at them to check whether they're staring, they won't look at you...it's that simple.

if your wife is covered AbuAmerican, i imagine that they are staring because it's quite unusual to see a white male with a covered female but i could be wrong.

does this mean that if I as a white western female complain about Arab and Western men staring at me that they will be banned too...because as lifeisbeautiful says, men seem to have this in-built urge to check out women. however, i would not limit this to men from the subcontinent only...

we have actually banned our students from entering with mobile phones with cameras as they were taking photos of female students. we do not have any asian bachelors studying with us...so go figure!

so, what can be done to help? it would be more useful if we could come up with a solution. these people come here believing that they will have a good job, earn money to send home and to be able to live life as normal. do you think they would come here if they knew the real situation? do you not think that they would leave the country if they were allowed to?

Another possibility, lifeisbeautiful, allow the "bachelors" to bring their wives and children, give them a decent place to live, and at least half of the "bachelors" won't be "bachelors" anymore.

Your recommendation is quite reactive to say the least. Its like giving a upper hand to Law Enforcement and getting things done by coercion. The better way would be for the embassies of different countries,conducting a thorough 'Arrival Induction' on say a monthly basis and detailing out the cultural do's and don'ts to their countrymen.After all this is an Islamic State and people should understand the implications of such behavior. I would recommend this to the ministers next time I have a meeting with them this month.

Life is Beautiful...Indeed!

Long live the GESTAPO!!

what they did ... they hired lots of people from different nationalities specially from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Egypt etc... and give them CID cards and offered them commission and rank in the CID if anyone bring such cases to the police station ...

Also media (Gulfnews) played vital role and they used to publish the photo of the person in the news paper with the title of the crime he did in public such as 'Caught Red handed while Teasing women in shopping Mall" "Man Caught Red handed while caught a woman" etc...

Yes Govt. and media played very good role and today UAE is much controlled and everyone is scared of the CID coz they know that every second person in the mall is from CID and once caught they will be jailed, deported and their photo will be published in the Media ....

I think Govt of Qatar and Media should do the same to control such situations... it might take little time but i am sure one day this will be undercontrol (not 100% but at least to some extend) .....

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...and thats exactly where the solution to this problem lies...The 'bachelors' should improve their image by improving their behavior and the 'local families' should recognize the 'improvement and become more accomodating.This,I'am sure will be noticed by the authorities and 'Only for Familie' or 'Family Day' boards will become rarer. What say?

Life is Beautiful...Indeed!

Yes, life, but your "private" space ends where the "private" space of somebody else begins.

but everyone has a 'personal' space even in 'public' space...lol :))

Life is Beautiful...Indeed!

faced in past .... although my wife covers but these people never stop staring at any lady ... but one fact is that most of the local men and other Arab Nationals (mostly young boys) in the shopping malls do the same even worst .... they chase the young girls specially if she is alone ... i am sure most of you guys have witness the same in shopping malls and other public places ....

but am also against this 'Entry Ban' system .... they should find some other alternative ...

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Lifeisbeautiful, you say it: There is a "private" space and there is the "public". And the "public" ain't no "private" space.

Abu, if you were driving a Bugatti would you mind being stared at??

but an individual might not have the 'staring' tendency or may have changed their behaviour - it still won't do him any good if he is banned because of his skin colour/ethnic roots.

People should be let in and know that they will be ejected if caught persistently 'staring' or causing trouble - it needs more policing, a much better way than all the bad (and that's a mild term) publicity Qatar is getting.

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

...for their 'adjustment' not only from foriegners but also from their fellow countrymen.. White men are respected for respecting other peoples' private space and being 'civilized' in public. Good manners go a long way in building a society based on mutual respect. These 'bachelors' should realize that.

Life is Beautiful...Indeed!

They get nothing for their "adjustment". Only little money. That's too poor.

It is hightime the discremination between skin and colour should end and human values should have a priority... If the Govt does not want Asians then why they issue Visas?? Let Europeans & Arabs work here and do the development. All individual if on residence visa should be treated with same respect and dignity.

Yes it was clear.

It's a fair comparison IMHO but as I said not parallel one or to the same extent - using force to deny access to facilities based on race - they get round it by saying it's only men and it's a family day - but you and I know that's hog wash.

I have never been stopped. The only time was on a Thurs or Friday night(11pm) when one of our Sri Lankin companions was ordered to go a different route out of Souq Waqif (so he didn't walk past the outdoor cafes) by a tourist police officer, when we (white guys) inquired why, we were told "it's not a problem, it's a mistake, carry on"

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

I think you will find that the real issue the malls have with 'batchelors' is not particularly that they stare at women (for gods sake girls get used to it), or intimidate families or behave badly, its the simple fact that the majority of these guys, and for batchelors read labourers, do not spend money in the vastly overpriced oulets that make up the majority of the stores.

Capitalism, rather than racism, is the main factor at play here I think.

"only mad dogs and englishmen go out in the midday sun"

I guess the solution would be to make some nice places only for these bachelors. But then again, who would make such a place?. I read sometime back that barwa was going to construct decent accomodation for labourers , which will have a mall also- hope that comes about soon.

Yes I do, who else is to blame?

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

Abu, I noticed that many of them are already in a state of coma. They would not react to anything.

Steroetyping is bad and there are better ways of handling this menace possibly.But I dont think anyone in the government has the time or inclination to give it a serious thought.They prefer to use the timetested 'rule of the baton' and sort it out for a short term advantage.Can't blame the authorities.

Life is Beautiful...Indeed!

Does it not remind you of the Southern states in the early sixties?.....not to the same extent, obviously not a direct parallel.

What would a Rosa Parkes do?

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

haha its just an avatar,but i will not go in public areas wearing like this ciao!

a character w/o virtue is a like a flower w/o perfume!

Abu, my wife is not covered. And when them stare at her I stare back at them. And then only the gays continue to stare back.

"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach

LifeisBeautiful, I do not think that India has a perfect Democracy. But I still think that Democracy is the worst form of Government except all others.

...that this monarchy is much better than MOST of the democracies in thwe world.Take Crime Rate for example and compare it with the subcontinent where we have the best democracy in India. Sometime not having too much freedom is good for the majority.

Life is Beautiful...Indeed!

"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach

even if some men do do this, to stereotype a whole race and make a blanket ban is what it is - RACISM

You admit other races do this also - so why aren't all members of their race banned?

It's like me saying "I knew a prostitute from the sub-continent once ergo all of these women are prostitutes and we don't tolerate this in Qatar - so there you are Lifeisbeautiful, here are your deportation papers get out!!! It's their country after all."

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

Or rather female peacocks. Can't seem to get my eye out of their feathers last time I went there. :-P

"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach

life is beautiful its true!and until now im wondering why they stare like that on women lol!

a character w/o virtue is a like a flower w/o perfume!

I just read in the Peninsula that the bachelors finally found an alternative to the malls:

"Hundreds of single men thronged Doha Zoo on the first day of Eid as the city's popular landmarks such as the Corniche, Al Rumeillah and Al Bida parks as well as some shopping malls were strictly reserved for families."

Maybe the female monkeys will soon start complaining about being stared at.

Thios might sound stupid but I actually support it. I'am from India and I can vouch that this policy does more good than bad to the bachelors from the sub continent.It's better to be denied access than to be branded lechers in public. The problem is,we people from the subcontunent love to stare at women and if given a chance we would actually scan them from head to toe. It about the attitude. I feel disgusted whenevr I see people from the subcontinent in groups standing in one corner coz they dont have the balls to go and shop and stare at women of every nationality as if they are aliens. Lets accept the fact - Most of our people dont go to the malls for shopping;they go for having a good time starting at the females of different races. 'Look at that chick','Wow look at that a**' and similar other expressions are very common and popular in these circles. If you want to test the validity of what I'am saying you juist have to go to the souqs and find it for your self.:ook at what these 'bachelors' have made out of these shopping places. They actually behave like retards if they see a girl and mind you the girl doesn't even have to be well endowed.They would pick on anyone.It's quite embarassing being a fellow citizen.Specially men from India,Pakistan and Bangladesh act as if they haven't seen a female in generations. Quite shameless I would say. If I had a family I would definately not want my women folks to be subjectedto the Xray eyes of these stupid men. They even make comments most of the times in there language. Agreed that there are Egyptian and Arabs who also do the same but I haven't noticed such blatant behavior from them. And also,these 'bans' are oly on special occassions.So why complain. It's THEIR country and they have all the right to decide what policy they want. It's these 'bachelors' who should change their attitude.

Life is Beautiful...Indeed!

So, to sum it up: we live in a monarchy. That's the opposite of Democracy. Freedom is just another word. And Human Rights rewards from the United Nations are bought with Petro-Dollars. Is that anything new for you guys?

i experienced the same thing chelsea, i was with my family having snack at the foodcourt when i decided to have a closer look at the ice rink.

suddenly a man told me to move away from their table (they were about 5 feet on my right)and i realize that he was also with his family. my first instinct was to argue with him but decided against it cause i know nothing good would come out of it.

it was not a very pleasant experience.

As Tupac Shakur says...."That's just the way it is"

Live Life free of worries

I do and always will unless Louis Vuitton starts either to deliver or do mail order yah! Zippy doooooooo! Hic!

thing is, they not only do this during Eid,..it's actually a friday policy as well... these poor people some of them only got fridays off when they can do their shopping and they're not allowed in...

I’m sorry to hear about your awful treatment. Unfortunately things are not going to change anytime soon. Just listen to the “police watch dogs” on QL who deny that racism exists in Doha and argue that it is a “happy go lucky” country.

Thank god there are still some decent souls who speak up about this malicious treatment. Without them, I am assured things would be worse.

NO HUMAN BEING, no matter what race or how much dosh you have in your pocket should be treated like in this disgusting way. Who the hell do they think they are??

Can't seem to find any 'attractive' spots on these areas for the holidays...

There's always 'after Eid' to visit them...

"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach

yeah, it's the people giving the orders at fault... maybe somebody ought to whip them as well, just so they will know how these people feel...and all they wanna do was to go shopping....

Well, thats what the Nazis said right! Hic! Gin time again! yippeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! No Last ORDERS in this house! yippeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! orders are orders yah!

agree with you on that point.. coz if it's really bachelors they dont allow, then they would've shooed all the others off,... it's more like ASIAN BACHELORS not allowed...

Hate hate hate that "No BAchelors allowd..." policy. It just sucks man. One time, somehow i managed myself to get inside villagio mall, I was shopping then decided to eat at the foodcourt. When i was eating (standing-since the tables are all occupied)nearby a family table, the father shooed me away. damn it. I was really pissed off man. Before that incident I already noticed him with his wife talking and staring at me like im a criminal or some hideous-faced creature about to devour them (wish I could). I wanted to shove the food into his mouth man. Imagine you're just eating and relaxing and suddenly someone treats u like that. How racist these people are. Well, the point is not about bachelors and families. Its about RACISM.

Live Life free of worries

lol marhabtain.... it's the gin that's talking i think... ;)

Mwah! Love the new pic! What a corker! Yippeeeeeeeeeeee! Falling in love again etc! Gin time! hic!

horrible people they are.... i hope they get bad karma... and the management as well.

What a great Management team they have! the exit escalators now do 100 km per hour so that they can eject those horrid bachaelors even faster! Yippppeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! Rock on! Gin time! hic!

I was in City Center yesterday and I saw how the security shooing the bachelors out from the mall. I really feel sorry for this people.

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Très loin de gratin dauphinoise, ketupat, lemang, rendang & kuih raya

FFs - Louis Vuitton simply must enjoy our patronage without hindrance. Yippeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee I say!

Carrefour is French. These people are DUMB and could care less about racialism. They certainly dont give a merde about quality of products and even less customer services. As Marie Antoinette once said of the poor who had no bread - 'Let them eat cake ' If residents of Qatar really seriously want to sort Carrefour out they should dimply BOYCOTT them - as i do. Support your local shops and get ur meat at meggamart! Simple and actually cheaper!

Maybe you're right, but I think a better stand would be to boycott the malls altogether. It would probably be impossible to organise, but a few weeks of no customers at any of the malls would surely make the point.

The local firms don't care, but Carrefour's board will go ape-shit as soon as any hint of racism is levelled against them. They have huge investments in India, and a few people writing to pension providers can make a difference to investment decisions.

I admire your stand William - but I think your target is incorrect. I doubt Carrefour have much to do with the policies in force. The malls aren't managed by the supermarket, and whoever does manage them are probably only acting on instructions from a higher level.

Ok Renee, made the sign. I reckon Messaied is a good place for the camp! Any idea where we can get gas from? I saw a van with Nazih Trading on the side - reckon they must be the people to call! OMG.....this is gonna be fun! I have polished my jack boots already too!

Sieg Heil baby! Yippeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

why not - it will put the poor sods out of their misery! :(

Wow! U r a girl after my own heart! Sounds great - I love a good massacre .Can i man the machine guns with you too! Yippeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! I am in love! Gin time! Hic!

Why don’t they just shoot them in the head – then no one has to worry about them entering – oh but then who will build this country??

If every person who reads about this disgusting, malicious behavior writes a letter, maybe it may make a difference??