on RELIGOUS posting in QL

I half agree with Samaway...As muslims all around the world, we have encountered a lot of ridicule and insults for our practices and beliefs. There is no compulsion in religion but if is a bit annoying getting insulted for ur religion which is a way of life. However Islam doesnt require you to silence others. People have a right to question and ask muslims about things, whether they agree with it or not. How do u think Islam is spreading and people converting to Islam. However theres is a distinct difference between asking and being curious and ridiculing their practices.

When someone criticizes and insult your practice no matter what it is , it can be really offensive, whether its ur religion, sexuality or being an athesist. The first thing you want to do is defend it. As a muslim I respect everyones beliefs and practices but feel like i have to justify why I beleive in Islam.

Theres nothing wrong with samway saying dont insult muslims but at the same time muslims shouldnt insult others. What ever happened to the saying "Live and Let live!!!

Can't we just agree that all religion is just bull, then all just get along !!.

Can you Pl. come to the SamawY vs DaRuDe thread. we need your presence there now.

Its absolute in this thread and I am open to comment on other threads. However i can always come back. There is no self permanent injunction in this.

Very happy to find someone like you, PM.

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on the other hand NO RELIGION teach us BIGOTRY only the BELIEVERS can do that.

Like what M. Ghandi said, "BE THE CHANGE THAT YOU WANT TO SEE IN THE WORLD" and I added then wait patiently for the rest to follow!

PEACE BROTHERS & SISTERS (in arms / on religion)

Cheers!

"Like I always said IMHO"

PM, deep in my heart I find alot of sincerity in your comments. I stepped down earlier because you convinced me that wise I once again, and on your words, do hereby withdraw and ignore this issue altogether.

I am determined to protect my religion but 'what to do', someone else is determined also.

GOOD BYE all. I am completely off this thread. Thanks all those who participated with RESPECT.

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say PM counts samay vote

and Sl count my Vote

in end Scorpio will declare it a DRAW LOL

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I called the voting. I closed the voting. I counted the voting. Me the Idiot declared myself the Winner.

Don't u guys get bored of arguing ? lol, they're too long for me to read sorry.

Ok kids, just calm down. This is how it's going to work.

samawy, I won't be rigging any poll, sl is just pulling your leg.

We come up with a new thread (created by samawy or DaRuDe) and start the poll from scratch.

I will be the referee so thing don't get out of hand..LOL..:p

Oh and don't forget the summary analysis!!

agree?

damn u gave up

na thats not fair man

keep the ballot box open man

take it easy.

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You are so happy. Any way the vote is closed now. I ruled and i called the voting.

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Common Voteeeeeeeee at least not for me.

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I take abuses because they are safe on me. further i dont know how to reply to the same.

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Thanks for that. i take it.

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vote for the Idiot to enlighten the universe.

When i find the situation is getting out of hand i normally withdraw. I am not a good fighter on the net.

Since sl and scorpio decided to stand aside without protection and turning into corrup fellows rigging votes, I've decided to fire you and stand alone arrogantly.

PM ruined the vote against insulting religions post, i withdrew in respect of her concern but she wasn't up to the challenge and she varnished. I wont allow Darude and Sweet to guide me what to do. I agree am ignorant and as implied by the duo 'stupid'.

I am out for a press conference and out of doha for a conference for some days. I'll prepare my REPORT and thats my decision and is final. I've striken the hammer on the table. BANG!! The court rests.

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I reserve not to reply sweet. I confirm that i drink, WATER; Smoke, of the kitchen; go out with strange girls, this i dont know; tight dressing: my pants.

Jumping over things looks so sweet. It releaves alot of pain.

OK, We have one vote to one vote.

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Me & Scorpio want to rig the vote.

for taking such a bold step against Da Ru De :D

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Darude is right!

I never can not believe that Darude can be so sensible. I had an impression that you are very agressive and rude guy. But you h ave explained in a very nice manner. Thanks for the protection.

And samawy, like you said " Muslims, do not post any comment if it is an insult for islam - why did u made such a big post then? why didnt u ignrored????

For every muslim, islam is in his heart....., Darude is ri ght, how much do u know islam???? how much ever we know is less. U drink, smoke, go out with strange girls and guys..... tight dressing all this are against islam!

Please just post for the sake of posting!!!! First implement and be a muslim for your own sake. Dont make islam an issue!!!!!

U should be ashamed of your self that you have given many chance for people to talk neg. about islam.

There are ways to teach and preach islam.

May allah guide all of us to the right and true path ! " Ameen"

Should SAMAWY post a summary analysis of the QL Religious Postings?

Vote Yes or No and Count your Vote please.

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Sure go ahead with the votings again :D

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Darude, I am ready to second your appointment anywhere in any field. Religion, Dance, Engineer, even president of whichever country you wish.

I'll take whatever comment and analysis you make. I love you as a human being. I am used to your tough comments and your 'commitment' to your religion. I likewise, hate the use of language sometimes, No as an Afghani, (not Talibani) i don't expect that from you.

I thought i'm the one who is scared. But yes scared not to get people scared. sl, scorpio are ready even to give me security and you are out shouting and accusing me of many and most of all i have been able to take to myself.

Now, what do i do? Could sl and scorpio the duo personal security guys take action and put Darude behind bars to allow me finalise my report?

Or as a democracy, Should we vote again for: Should Samawy post his analysis report or not? If Darude agree, I am ready and lets see who wins.

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Pl. allow me to do the honors

what really u will like to hear from me.

i am muslim i go to mosques and i have been to churches too several times

the way us muslims not all some how they act how they pray still are mannerless in that.am 100% sure u are one of them.

they the christain the buddist i have seen them while in church prayin or are all silent and respectingly praying

hmm its not them who insult that much muslims as much muslim insult them for nothing MOSTLY.

I DONT SAY am scholar or i don claim to be one of them. but yea i respect every religion i believe what they feel how they see how they live with it.

what are muslims doing tell me. still tryin to reach for each other throats hmm blamin fightin

hmmm there are casts in muslims too not that much are in christain only few countable but casts of muslims uncountable.

all of them dont follow the Sunnah Or Hadess do u follow??? i dont think so.

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I said it first

Me too me too me too

I will, I will!!

I feel that people are paving the way to a great grave. They are waiting for what i'll say to bury me not alive but bury me dead. Who can ensure my security.

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The report is a concluding remark. I wont entertain new comments afterwards. Thus i give a chance to all those who have burning issues still to hurry and say it. After the summary i wont be available for any more comments.

Darude could you say this in your nice cool language.

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Sure no its samawy report and that is this topic he wanted to show u so dont be that anxious scorpio.

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You said that last week samawy.....where is this report????? I'm dying to see it!

A proper debate, I love it =)

I indicated earlier that i won't be posting in this thread any more. However i wish to withdraw that and announce that i am preparing an evaluation of the responses and comments to summarise the ideas presented in this thread.

Its been useful to have dialogue with most of you guys. Thanks

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Well its been a fruitful disscussion and you appear to have become more rational in your posts. If we go back to the reason for this thread I think you can now see that any disscussion on faith CAN NOT exclude any one who challenges the very concept with respect - I refer you to my reply to mufy above.

The reason the issue of wine and pets was invoked was to counter one absurd arguement with another.

Peace

"I don't go to mythical places with strange men."

-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.

When are you going to realize that you insult simply by not beliving what they believe. I mean, how can you not believe was is so solidly proved! I mean come one, obviously the Quran is the word of God. :P

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You miss the point Saud...I am an atheist, and according to samawy, I have no right to respond.....and I'll say once again...where have I insulted Islam? From your response you make out as if I have taken full advantage to insult...show me where?

I said about questions not about insulting Islam. Through the 7 pages you have never asked any question rather you discussed wine and pets :) I am sure he has faced such people who never ask questions but they take full advantage to insult the religion thats why he created this thread to advise everyone to respect. And that's why he pasted his email address to discuss if you anyone willing to. I respect his rules and i agree with him :)

Actually Saud, after the year 627, we are all born Muslims and we choose to be something else. This is a basic concept of Islam. Please feel free to look at Islam online or other posts on this thread.

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It is right because God is there that's why we are alive. Why i am muslim, you are right that i choosed Islam because i born and raised in this region and because I found truth and I thank Allah very much for this. But after the year 627 the people who accept Islam they were not born muslims. They found by themselves that Islam has true features. I am sure they converted (not borned) and called muslims.

I cant tell you about Allah more than what HE has told us. HE told us that HE is the only God for everyone. HE does not have relatives at all. HE never sleeps. HE does what HE wants to do.

I respect all religions and i do not have anything again them. You and everyone is free not to believe in Allah and this will not hurt HIM or me or anyone in this universe but it will hurt you and them only. I pray Allah to show you the right path.

I am free not to believe in other Gods. You know why, because i think God should not need human being's help. (See every body i am not insulting any one's belief and i respect all and every one and their belief) and God should be one only. Our Allah has no creator :) HE is special.

Concerning your quick but simple question, Allah has nothing against amputee people. Infact Allah has nothing against every one. Allah loves us (All including you) and wait when we start worshiping HIM. Allah has the power to give us all the luxury and happy life but we are born this way to find out whether we worship HIM or not. Its an exam. Please feel free to ask the scholars for more info. You can ask on www.Islamonline.net ;)

For your information, dead people were alived for non-believers just to show them that Allah is there. Amputee is not a big deal for Allah since HE has created everything and created us (including you) and most of the population have hands and full body parts.

as, and I quote, someone who is 'polluted' how can I be scared of hell when 'it', like heaven, I dont believe in.

Which hell are you refering to as all belief systems have their different views of damnation for not joining their club.

You would have us believe that hell is a well documented place eg it says that it is 70 time hotter than the hottest furnace, not 69 or 71 but 70. They must have accurate themometers down there.

Ever read Satre's veiw of hell? Now that is scary, its in a book you know?

I still have not insulted anyones religion yet.

Aboriginal religion is wonderful- you are god's dream and when you die it's just him waking up, you return to the creator and are as one with everything because the creator is everything in the universe - no hell because that would make god hell. Very hippy! I might convert. But I cant coz its their religion.

Peace

I don't go to mythical places with strange men.

-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.

aloud the words of the prophecy

And blessed are those who hear

And who keep what is written therein

For the time is near

He is coming with the clouds

And every eye will see him

Everyone who pierced him

And all the tribes of the earth will wail on account of him

Those of you who have not learned

What some call the deep things of Satan

I know your works

I know your toil

And your patient endurance

And how you cannot hear evil men

But have tested those who call themselves

Apostles

But are not

And found them to be false

I know you are enduring patiently

And bearing out

For my namesake

And you have not grown weary

But I have this against you

That you have abandoned

The love you had

I know your tribulation and your poverty

And the slander of those who say

That they are Jews

But they are not

They are a synagogue of Satan

Do not fear what you are about to suffer

Behold the devil is about to throw you into prison

It was allowed to make war on the saints

And to conquer them

And authority was given it over every tribe

And a people and tongue and nation

And all who dwell on earth could worship it

In vain

If anyone has an ear let him hear

If anyone is to be taken captive, into captivity he will go

If anyone who slays with the sword, with the sword

Then

I saw a new heaven

And a new earth

And I heard a great voice from the throne saying

"Behold the dwelling of God is with men

He will dwell with them

And they shall be his people

And God himself will be with them

He will wipe away every tear from their eyes

And death shall be no more

Neither shall there be mourning

Nor crying

Nor pain

Anymore

For these things will have passed away

To the thirsty I will give water without price

From the fountain of the water of life

He who conquers shall have this heritage

And I will be his God and he shall be my son

But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted

As for the murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolators

And all liars

Their lot shall be in the lake

That burns with fire [and brimstone]

And he said to me

He said to me

"Do not seal up the words of the prophecy

For the time is near"

To sum it up in four words:

Don't be a sheep.

Peace

I don't go to mythical places with strange men.

-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.

hey adey.. that makes sense..

so we sum it up here as some facts and quotes..

1. Everyone has the right to believe in whatever they feel is right.

2. all religions seem to think that they are beyond ctiticism or questioning

3. a religion that can not defend itself from the most basic questions cant be up to much

wen we discuss, our knowledge surely increases..fromthe above topics we all said here, i'm sure we all learned a thing or two.

http://braveatheart.blogspot.com/

Thanks mufy, I will have a read of those links tomorrow. The original OP said that atheists had no right to make comments on religion. Everyone has the right to believe in whatever, and you agreed with this on your 'humans first' post. What I was debating was the fact that all religions seem to think that they are beyond ctiticism or questioning, and as Scorpio pointed out a religion that can not defend itself from the most basic questions cant be up to much. If anything my questions get to make theists think and strengthen their 'faith', for faith it must surely be without the slightest evidence of proof.

Tisba al'khair

Peace

I don't go to mythical places with strange men.

-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.

Your last posting was honestly your best on this topic :) However, you have supported samawy's arguments every chance you get and now you’re saying 'questions are always welcome'. Whereas samway says that atheists have no right to comment. I'm confused with your stance!

the point i intended to make is dat we ought to respect everyone .. short and sweet as that :)..well till now, i had read only the first page of the topic.. i just read the last page and ur comment now.. so there was no intentions for or against anyone..

regarding your post, please check out these link. i think it will be useful to find answers.

http://www.quranmiracles.com/?gclid=CNmMgLzptowCFQmYQAodRjzSJQ

http://braveatheart.blogspot.com/

That is a wonderful arguement for doing away with all organised religions but I somehow dont think that was the point you were intending to make.

Not sure if that point was directed at me or Saud but I couldn't agree more with you.

Peace

I don't go to mythical places with strange men.

-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.

Once the Prophet was seated at some place in Madinah, along with his Companions. During this time a funeral procession passed by. On seeing this, the Prophet stood up. One of his Companion remarked that the funeral was that of a Jew. The Prophet replied, “Was he not a human being?”

This incident illustrates how an atmosphere of mutual love and compassion can be brought about in the world only when we consciously rise above all insidious demarcation of caste, color, and creed. Just as the Prophet did, we, too, must look at all men as human beings who deserve to be respected at all events.

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About the nature of the universe and humans wondering about it re. orbits ,gravity etc. - because conditions are right on this planet for life to begin and be sustainable IS the resason why life is HERE and not on any other planet in the solar system. Thus as we are here we humans wonder how we got here. There is no life on Venus to ponder the qustion - "why are we not alive? Must be because we are too close to the sun ,or, as we are not alive it must be becuase there is no god to give us life. QED there is no god " Therefore because there is life is not PROOF there is a god.

Your arguement, which all religions have, would say that just as the watch has a watchmaker thus the universe must have a creator. But who then created the creator?

Lastly, you 'chose' Islam because you were born and raised in this region after the year 627 and Islam was adopted as the official religion. If you were born in Scandinavia in the year 200 you would 'choose' to worsip Odin and a variety of other minor gods. If you were born in India today you would probably be a Hindu with many gods and performing frog weddings to make the rains come. They did and do believe that theirs are the right religions, why do you not believe in their gods? What if one of THEM is right? do you know that there are 10,000 gods worshiped on earth TODAY. So you have a 1 in 10,000 chance of being right - not very good odds.

I am glad Islam gave you all you are looking for but you have to realise that other peoples beliefs, or lack of them, have given them what they were looking for. So by all means contibute to a forum but dont tell people that what YOU believe is the only choice they have.It's the right choice for you and you alone.

A quick question for you (actually not quick but simple): god has the power to heal, and people have said that god must exist because they have prayed to him to heal friends, relations or even themselves and god has answered their prayers, therefore that proves god exists, right? Now, why has god never cured an amputee? Has he got something against people who are missing a leg, arm or little finger? Where in history is there the proof that this has happened? If all the muslims, christians and jews prayed really hard at the same time to make this happen for just one amputee to show everyone else that he existed then I might just sit up and take notice.

To believe in something extraordinary you need extraordinary proof.

Misa al'khair

Peace

"I don't go to mythical places with strange men."

-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.

Questions are always welcome. If i know the answers definitly i will reply. If i do not know the answers it really does not mean that answers do not exist.

Adey it is natural that a man has always wanted to live healthy life, i mean healthy by all mean. He/she has always consulted experts in this regard to get help having it, somebody can be those who know everything / scholars or can be books...right. Every body does the same. Now you do not tell me that you got all the knowledge by your own. No one got it by his/her own to-date and no one can get it by his/her own.

Allah is definitly there. Very strong proof is HIS book Quran but as you do not believe in books therefore let me try to find other proof. How about universe. Dont you think there is someone who is managing such a big universe. I dont think everthing is going on by itself. Look at yourself and myself and everyone. If Allah was not there no one could be there. Who has determined the orbit for earth and moon and other planets. Who set the exact distance of Sun from the earth. What about gravity, could anyone imagine that gravity will be required for human being to survive. I really do not think it has happend by itself. You know what i mean everything well managed.

Adey i am not comparing Islam with other religions. I choosed Islam because it gave me all i was looking for. You can not even imagin the happiness any one can get only in 5 times prayer ;)

thats fine, wasn't trying to criticize. It affects no one, doesn't tell people what to think or tells them off. I have those moments too but they are just moments.

I don't go to mythical places with strange men.

-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.

Well I guess I am in awe sometimes, but I like to think that if you stop and appreciate whats around you, you can sort of "commune" with a higher power, and just sort of feel where you belong in this whole crazy messed up world.

I'm a die hard romantic too, so it all sort of fits for me.

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As I said, sounds like you've got your head screwed on straight. You use the word mysticism where I would use awe, wonder, pleasure and delight; it's just an observation.

Peace

'I don't go to mythical places with strange men.'

-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.

Thanks for the compliment Adey. I wouldn't call myself an atheist though. I was in my younger days, but grew out of it as a travelled the world more, I'm a proud agnotistic now. Keep the mysticism of a great force that brought all this into being but dump all the garbage written by men a thousand years ago. That being said, I'm not fantical about it, and I'm always willing to listen to proof that their is no greater being, or there is, or what have you.

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Nice to meet you. Couldn't sleep and noticed your message, got a weeks holiday but should be writing school reports really but in the mean time I'll dabble (or should that be babble?) on here.

Well your catholic background is certainly different from mine but its part of your make up, at least you have the critical thinking skills to completely/partially accept or reject the beliefs that were foisted, all be it well intentioned, upon you. Our friend Saud has no such luxury and its probably too late for his children. He doesn't know why he is a muslim and he hasnt the capacity to tell his offspring honestly why they should keep the faith also.

I was brought up a council house kid to, I suppose you would call now days, aspiratinal working class parents. Not one member of the wider family attended churh, although for some bizzare reason I attended Sunday sch for a short time when I was 5 or so! At this age it became clear that religion was a lot of mumbo jumbo, so I thank them for that. Hence I have been an agnostic since the first time I encountered religion. Didn't really discover the freedom of atheism till I read Camus at Uni.

Luckily at this and my previous international sch the students don't do religion and they are much more rounded for it. People can believe what they like and the only point I agree with Saud on is that you have to have knowledge on a subject to make a valid contribution; trouble is... he's got only one source! And in my honest opinion, from whatever faith you prescibe to, that is extremely dangerous for everyone else - just look at the global warming deniers!

Anyway, keep the faith...or not, oh and Gipsy sounds like she's got her head screwed on straight.

"I don't go to mythical places with strange men."

-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.

Saud is 100% sure that he is right. I don't know anyone who thinks that! Says it all really...oh he has proof all right....just ask him: p

I grew up in a very strict catholic family and thankfully ran away from it...I'm more happy now then I was then.....no restrictions, live my life as I please...if I have to burn in hell for it (which I don't believe exists....Oh yes prove it to me Saud...show me evidence) then so be it.

Funny thing is, when I questioned my family about religion (aunts, uncles, cousins, parents, sisters, brothers etc.) they were never offended. In fact they believed in their religion so fiercely that they were proud to talk about it when I asked them the hard questions! This is why I don't (and never will) understand how Saud and Samawy who live their life believing in a religion are so offended when people question Islam. Their response every time is, oh we must all hate Islam.....which is entirely untrue. That is their only argument!

You are either one of the greatest trolls ever(much respect for keeping it going this long), or a throwback from the dark ages! If you have to consult a scholar or ONE book to make every decision or make sense of existence for you then we should feel sorry for you.

It is obvious that you had no choice in your beliefs as the brainwashing probably started at birth and was rigorously reinforced all day everyday; all you are doing is perpetuating that which you have been indoctranated in. The same can be said of fundementalist christians also- so dont go claiming Im insulting islam.

Religion does have good points but as both muslim and christian friends have pointed out to me you should never make it the whole point of your being.

I will listen gladly to your preaching when it includes proof of allah, god, zeus, thor or any other name that your creator goes by; and dont bother quoting passages from a book written by a god to explain himself to himself- not that there is a big sky daddy up in the great blue yonder! See you got me all preachy now and if that offends you then surely you can see what affect you have on others.

Peace and try widening your horizons a little, and I say that with sincerity.

"I don't go to mythical places with strange men."

-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.

I am thinking for myself. Actually I have found the facts which I was looking for and i have found them in Islam only. I am doing what i feel is right.

I am thinking for myself. Actually I have found the facts which I was looking for and i have found them in Islam only. I am doing what i feel is right.

Sorry Saud. It is not only in my great school. It is throught the entire country.

didnt i tell you that you are smart. It is justified now as you passed the scholarship in 5th grade in your great school :)

This is the problem saud...you don't think for yourself...you should do what YOU feel is right...why does everything have to be questioned?

Swissgirl39 said "why there is so much hate and enviousness and missunderstanding between muslims?". I think she meant muslims only.

To donate to charity is really good thing and should be encouraged and i think i do not have to tell anyone whether i do donate to charity or not. It is between me and Allah and infact it is between everyone and Allah :)

I really should ask scholars if i should adopt pet one or two and if this will make me good muslim ;)

How i wish to help everyone in this world but you see i can not do this alone. Also i think i do not have to tell anyone if i am doing it since it is between me and Allah :)

I am a scholar. (passed the scholarship in 5th grade in my school). my sister is a scholar and my youngest brother also. but Hmm... we don't know. This is the 300th posting on this subject. quite an achivement.

I am not joking about Islam. I have told that to Genesis and i think he knew what i am talking about. Look Alexa, what Allah has promised everybody, HE will fulfil HIS promise and i have no doubt about it. No one should doubt about it.

I can not find anything due to which Islam should be ridiculed. I am sure what i am saying is correct and i can not say anything which i do not know rather i will ask the person to consult with scholars ;) That's why i told everyone, if they got any doubt they can consult scholars and i am sure they will get answers for every question they may have since Islam covers everything. I am not turning people away from it.

Allah is one, there is no other God but Allah. I am 100% sure about this knowledge. He sent Mohammed (P.B.U.H) to tell human beings about Allah and HIS message and that Quran is true Book containing Allah's words. I am also 100% sure about this knowledge.

swissgirl39 never said that "only muslims" do hate. You show me where she wrote this? Why not answer her question, instead of putting words into her mouth!

If you really are a good muslim go and donate to charity, adopt a pet or two, help out the labour workers/nannies maids etc. (who are treated like dirt)....that's what a good Muslim would do instead of ranting in here!

I repeat again. I never want to go to heaven. It is a very boring place. I perfer Hell. That's where all my friends, loved ones is or will be. wants to come?

you should help him in learning Arabic rather making fun of him. Should encourage such people who memorize each verse of Quran because you do not how much Allah loves him and he will be getting option to take 10 members with him to the Paradise.

that most have good knowledge in Islam. How i wish they start preaching Islam too since they are good in Englis too :)

I know somone who claims that he memorize every verse. Yet, once in a descussion he confusly asks which prophet spoke to god, mosa or issa (jesus or mosses)!!!

is religion should not be ridiculed. Samawy rules should be remembered.

say that i do not know Arabic.

May be you are right but do you think there is something wrong what i have posted to-date. You are right about English. I am not good in English :p

dude...go and learn english.

Offcourse Quran consist mainly of metaphors!

it's "tashbehتشبيه" in arabic !haven't you read any arab poetry!

What's really funny that you insist to continue your preashing, and you have zero religous knowledge!

i can not understand it. Can anyone expalain what Alexa meant by that, so i understand and see if i can reply.

"Are you sure you can read Quran?????

It consists mainly of metaphors" What you mean by this

what consists mainly of metaphors

are you trying to know my knowledge in Islam. Did you find anything wrong in what i have typed. I do not think so. What i have typed is basic information which every muslim should have.

You know Darude, even most of non-muslims they know the Ahle Ketab family books. Ask Gypsy if you do not believe me, even she knows about all the books.

This has been answered earlier by Mr. Hamlet on page 1 where stated that "I think he meant wider and not greater, meaning that it beleives in all previous relegions".

I have no house to clean. so how?

i know who are Ahle Ketab but what you want to know and i know all the family books. Four BOOKS and others are Saheefas

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

Every human being gets angry, become happy, hate, love, wants to get, fear to lose, wants to be rich, avoid circumstances which may make him/her poor and lot more features. It is not correct to say that only muslims do hate and there is enviousness and misunderstanding between muslims only. Islam has always advised of love, brotherhood, all good features and prohibited hate, fighting and all bad feature. All prophets of Allah said the same thing that there is only one God which is Allah and same which you have mentioned in your paragraph. All prophets preached only one religion.

You kiddin with me you really donot know what Ahle Ketab is??? and here you come arguing as if you are with a wise knowledge of Being a Muslim.

i said it Family of Books.

easy to figure out what it means.

let me see whether other members know it or no i wont say it.

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Ahle Ketab Darude. I apologise because i could not understand what you want to ask.

In your post, you ask people to observe the following:

"Please observe the Samawy R rules of dialogue: Read, Respect, Review, Retard, Respond. Spiritual things do not withstand mockery and ridicule."

A few lines down, you add this gem:

"The Muslim belief is greater than any other belief."

If I preach to the board that Christinity is better than Islam, or that Hinduism is better that Islam, or that whatever is better than Islam, would you and your fellow Muslims feel that I was respecting your faith?

I think not.

Don't ask for respect while at the same time telling every non-Muslim that their faith is inferior. It is this kind of thinking that perverts organized religion and leads people to do things that violate all religions.

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Always love your neighbour :)

All i want to know is,if the islam is the only one and right religion,why there is so much hate and enviousness and missunderstanding between muslims?Why all that war in the name of allah?I dont know a lot about the Quran,but i think it can not be that Mohammed sayd other words then Jesus which are,to love and respect each others and to be in peace and harmony and to protect the family,and be good with your neighbours and to help them if they asking for help.Am i wrong to see it like this?

Fine i Agree ok.

Now May I knoW

whats Ahle Ketab?(Book Family).

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There is something more important than me which should be introduced to everyone. Something for which a man has placed on the face of the Earth. You know and i know but there are more than 5 billion people who really do not know.

It is every muslim's duty to tell everyone about Allah (which is everyone's real God whether anyone accepted this or rejected), HIS prophet Mohammed (P.B.U.H) and HIS book Quran. You see everyone wants to oppose Islam though Islam wants everyone's profit, you know this. They can not be blamed since they do not know Islam.

tell me where you saw muslims doing a good job of ridiculing Islam themselves.

pal mind introducing yourself plz :)

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Where i said that Scorpio has insulted Islam. Have i typed it somewhere. I think i have not.

Who said i do not like what others say. Samawy and me stressed on this matter that Islam and other religions should not ridiculed. That's all. I agree with him.

I admit that anyone in this world whatever he/she do it is not going to hurt me or others but dont you think i will be called as selfish if i know something which is everyone's right to know and i do not give that to them and keep it with me in my heart and die with it.

Frist, Now only I got wake up. That's why the silence. Second, I don't steel company money by speding time in the company paid time because I am a part of the company.

Third, I never redeculed or insulted Islam. But I redeculed and insulted a MORON like you who has a mental capabi;ity of a kindergarden child. Grow Wp you Idixt.

First, if you reply or keep quiet it is not going to make any difference since you could not write a single sentence concerning the topic. Besides you do not have to disturb your sleep and reply to my posting if you do not want to :)

Second, do whatever you want to do whether you steal company's money or not you are not going to hurt anyone but yourself. I am not stealing any one's company money ;)

Third, it is not true that you never ridiculed or insulted Islam. Go back and see your sentences "preaching garbage" can not be me. i can not be preached.

If you think i am MORON or kindergarden child or idixt it has nothing to do with religion. I never forced anyone that they should follow me. Everyone free to ask scholars of Islam about their doubts or wanna know Islam better. It does not mean that whatever i say is created by me only. No it is not true.

this topic is now spread to 6 pages so it will take him time to find out ur words. guess he is still searching again and again. give this poor soul a lil time. dont rush on him. he already is puzzled.

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Well I'm waiting? You 2 keep carrying on about insulting Islam..so show me where I have!

man i think these guys are in love with you just say yes to their comments and accept their comments. :D

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Frist, Now only I got wake up. That's why the silence. Second, I don't steel company money by speding time in the company paid time because I am a part of the company.

Third, I never redeculed or insulted Islam. But I redeculed and insulted a MORON like you who has a mental capabi;ity of a kindergarden child. Grow Wp you Idixt.

When have I have insulted Islam? Go on show me!! That is your argument every time you don't like what others say.

Exactly, we have to follow rules everyday, so why the hell would I want to be more of a slave and constrict myself to something I have no belief in?

You can't criticize me because I choose to live for the moment and well….. basically do what I please. If I'm not hurting other's, what concern is it to you?

Islam doesn't need anyone to ridicule it, Muslims do a good job of ridiculing it themselves.

We aren't ridiculing or insulting Islam Saud, we are ridiculing and insulting you.

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is bored, he/she is free to have fun but he/she should not take Islam or any other religion to have fun with by ridiculing or insulting it.

cant we call it slavery when someone impose rules on us and we have to follow those rules whether it is a company's manager or prime minister or judge or husband in some cases a wife do :)

If manager says you have to be present at 7.00 o' clock otherwise 500QR cut :( means you have to be present. Its a kind of slavery where you have no choice. You may look for other job but still you will get the rules to follow.

ummm i've neve said i have no rules, instead i said each person is bound to the rules whether he/she is outside of his/her home or outside, there are rules. I said this for those who think they will not accept to be slave to anybody but the truth is every body is slave to some rules whether it is regional rules, parental rules, country rules or religion rules...right :)

nah where just bored :p

Saud, the last time I checked we have a thing called a law system. You can continue to be a slave to Allah, but I'll be damned if I let someone tell me who I should be a slave to....great way to raise kids!! Honestly, you must live a very constricted life. I feel sorry for you.

feel free to skip the my words. I never forced gypsy or socorpio or SI to make an effort or take hours from their working hours to read my posting :) nor i said anything against them. I am doing what i should do.

SI dont you think Samawy was right about you. You are naming Islam as garbage. You dont have to comment if you do not like it. I think it is several times you used "garbage" for the Islam. I do not know if you are doing it intentionally. Please confirm if you do it intentionally. I have never opposed other religions and i think i did not do yours. So can you please take care next time when you use such words for Islam.

You all should know that QL is about living in Qatar and Islam can never separate from the living in Qatar.

are you guys in love with saud lol seems like u guys wont let him satisfy with is Rules just objections over objections.

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Saud - if you have no rules you get somalia.

In Western coutries The law of the land comes first and above religion.

In Qatar the law comes from your religion.

So the whole world is not a slave to Allah... and I wouldn't not want to be a slave to any God. If you believe in a God it should be out of love not slavery because you will never truly believe or honour anyone who enslaves you.

Awesome. So where shall we begin....living without rules?? Did anyone here say anything about living without rules? The last time I checked we were all subject to the laws of our countries, and out own personal moral codes, why do we need a religion to reiterate what we already know?

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Oh and me, and me...hehehe :p

Ok let the game begins.

However if you would like to team up in a scowering attack against him and his stupidity just to pass the day, I'm all for it. :D

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Thanks gypsy. I will take your advise. Thanks again.

Sl if you ignore him he might go away. Preachers need an audience after all, don't give him one.

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preaching garbage on paid office time you lunatix

sorry for those who think they should be allowed to do whatever they want to do and free from any rules.

Every person is bound to set of rules to which he/she has to abide by. Even animals, as a matter of fact, have rules to follow. Everything in this universe has rules to follow.

I can not imagine what will happen to this world if every one is allowed to do what ever he/she likes to do. Everybody has to be a slave to rules. If you are an employee, you have to be slave to the employer's rules. If you are an employer you have to be a slave to the country's rules. If you are a country you have to be a slave to the international rules. The whole world is slave to Allah's rules :|

Samawy continue with what you want to say. Please dont stop it.

do you know that our Prophet Mohammed (P.B.U.H) until His last breath tried to help us (Ummah Mohammadiyah). Allah has left us doing whatever we like to do, due to our Prophet's prays. I am sure you all know about the consequences that other nations faced.

I beg you all, always defend Islam since it is our identity as one (1) Ummah :)

Which line you have asked for from Quran, Hadeeth or Sunnah.

I was expecting this thing from non muslims not from a muslim.

my muslim brothers and sisters. I feel here that muslims are arguing with each other which is very painful.

All muslims please tell me, since you all believe in Allah, HIS Prophet Mohammed (P.B.U.H) and HIS book Quran difinetly, do you agree that other non muslims should remain non muslims and should not be informed about Islam. And we should wait that they should notice our Islamic culture and Islamic life style to know about Islam.

If you do, then you are making terrible mistake. You should know that our Ummah (Ummah Mohammadiyah) is not like other Ummah. We have been awarded with prophet's duty which is "Preaching Islam".

I totally agree with Samawy about his rules because some are really acting wrongly and ridicule Islam intentionally.

QL is about living in Qatar and as you all know that Islam is very important part of Qatar so it is wrong to say that preaching Islam should not be there. Who ever has problem with Islam, feel free to skip it. Also Islam is more than a country for every muslim and it is moral duty of person to protect his/her own home ;)

Have you come up with the results yet? I'm waiting in anticipation: p

S A Y O N A R A!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am going to compile a report of all insults and ridicules done on Islam, Quran and other spiritual symbols in QL forum and relevant members and let people judge if its criticism, if QL members were provoked to insult, if it was justified, etc. This is my last submission. I am done.

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Well said PM.....you lay down rules, in this case "samawys rules" , and of course your going to provoke people....especially on a forum!

Critical thinking skills are not here in QL. What thinking is required before somebody who calls you names, insults you. I wish i could buy your critics but i'm sorry.

My religion doesnot ask them to respect it, instead it asks me not to give them a chance to ridicule and if they do,then i leave them till they end their ridicule.

I can leave topics on islam but it doesnt help coz my fellow muslims in QL still give them a chance to insult. This is what i'm fighting among muslims. On the other hand i request non muslims to avoid insults and use logical thinking. Well if am wrong in this i better remain so.

Idont argue on what is the best way to preach islam here. It is not the place. We can discuss that by private mail if you want.

Alexa: Muslims do preach everywhere and in this forum but i won't do it in this forum, coz of few members who have very loose dirty lips.

PM, hope my blind arguements see the light one day. My mission is not to preach but to protect, not thro non muslims but from Muslims. My word has power over them. This is the last time i will discuss this issue in this clarity. If my english is poor and difficult to understand, i don't regret.

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pm, you really said what i wanted to say in a better way, and thanks for the positive comments but i guess as some of you has said, from the reply of samawi ti seems useless that he will inderstand what I mean.

I repeat DaRuDe comments again "good words but they won't listen useless :) further proven by the above 2 posts.

Thanks for the advice on how to be a good .... But such words are preaching for some religion and SOME few QL members are not entertaining that. Now, you have done something wrong.

My self i dont encourage dialogue of 'how to be a good Muslim' in this forum. Why? because people get a chance to ridicule and insult not 'muslims' but rather islam. They will spare you, perhaps they know and respect your body and clothes, but they will attack with all insults on your belief. Will you accept that. Or you see those who do it just like Darude who see them as well mannered, but misbehave if they are pushed into it.

Forgive & Forget.

TO give this dialogue a fair trial. We tend to disaprove others imposing on us anything. While doing so we impose our position on others.

If you reject something, say like samawy rules of dialogue, its ur right, but don't impose your rejection on samawy. The rules will stay at least with samawy and all others who are convinced.

Everyone has the right to support whatever he wishes but he is required to let those who support others at ease. Ask 4 support and grow your team big, let others loby for support and have their team big.

Human rights is a good topic to discuss and i think most of us are good in asking for their rights but not ready to take any obligations. They are selfish people.

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good words but they wont listen useless :)_

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with all that is going on in te world, i am surprised that people still finds time to engage in use;ess conversations. i am a muslim myself and i suggest that all muslims stop trying to preach other people and stop trying to attack other religions or people who don't beleive in God at all. the best way to promote islam, if that is your purpose, is to be a good muslim. If u think islam is that great then act as a good muslim and let people judge for themselves if they like this lifestyle or not. if u keep crtisizing other people, interfering in hteir way of living, question what they believe in, then how do you expect them to like islam?

and it is clear that there are many interpretation of islam, so why do you expect that w want to follow your interpretation? let everybody think for himself and take his own disicions and stop trying to impose your personal rules on us.

What do I have to do to covert? :-P

I'm an expert on the religion of Gypsy, in fact I'm the first and so far only follower and technically prophet. I'm more then willing to discuss my religious beliefs with anyone who wants to listen. ;D

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I am not an expert. but I can contribute what I understand whan the need arises. Cheers

...do you think most people know that...? That's why I'd like to see a debate between experts in their particular field so distinctions like that could be made clear.

While semantical distinctions are important for ultimate understanding, (if such a thing is possible), focusing on single points to the exclusion of all else is something that tends to fracture debate, which can prevent a basic, general understanding...in my opinion, of course.

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Any tool can be a hammer...

Joekhanuk - Buddhism is not a Religion. It is a phylosophy.

...would really be interesting, at least for me, is to have real, learned scholars, from a variety of religions, debating about their fields of expertise. I would like to experience a debate which includes experts in Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Judaism, etc.

Each religion tells us it is the one true word of God. Each one claims it has proof. Each one claims the other is wrong. Let the experts get together in debate to explain and justify their position.

That, I think, would be worth watching and listening to. None of us here is expert enough to properly contribute or refute any claims made here.

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I don't have to be #1, I just have to be...

Any tool can be a hammer...

...would really be interesting, at least for me, is to have real, learned scholars, from a variety of religions, debating about their fields of expertise. I would like to experience a debate which includes experts in Chrisitanity, Islam, Buddhism, Judaism, etc.

Each religion tells us it is the one true word of God. Each one claims it has proof. Each one claims the other is wrong. Let the experts get together in debate to explain and justify their position.

That, I think, would be worth watching and listening to. None of us here is expert enough to properly contribute or refute any claims made here.

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I don't have to be #1, I just have to be...

Any tool can be a hammer...

preaching to others also not called for here.

Each one writes on a specific topic based on his/her likes/dislikes.

Badmouthing someone will not help. nor asking them to go write some other topic is also irrelevant.

If some one doesnt like a specific topic move on. NO one is asking you to read it anyway. Those who are interested will read and give a rproper response.

Others well the less said the much better.

Fluffy’s either delusional or drunk....me thinking the latter: p

they feel like killing you :D

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What Fluffy? What comment do you take offence to.

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I'm well thank-you.

Well he wanted to know what was in it. Nah it's not poisonous, but does have a warning saying "not fit for human consumption". Have you tried it? Really you should :p

hi how are u. hmm seems like a perfect cook u are :D

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You can buy Whiskas in any supermarket. It has chicken, beef, lamb, thickening agents and horse. (They don't tell you about the horse though.)

Honestly, you should try it; my cats find it delicious, especially the beef & liver: p

Even i support you Darude. They are well manered and we push them into bad manners. What a perfect description.

Darude If am doing anything for my personal innermost peace thats for me. I wrote quran and hadith for Muslims. I know you're very knowledgeable. No matter what you do i wont accept your challenge here. Hey men, this is not the arena.

The true arena still remains with the so called mannered people (i mean the few lot in QL) whom you know them better. One of them has just used 'garbage' and i just want to understand what he means by garbage.

I don't know how to use most of the words you used in your last long comment. My conscious does not allow me. I don't utter them and i dont write them.

Close your eyes, paint the eyelids white and draw your pupil black, you'll see better. No wonders, Human Beings are different.

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my apologies to you than.

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my comment was aimed at Gypsy

I like them they are men of their words what they say they do it and prove it too.

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you are basically saying any muslim who tries to spread the word of islam must be a terrorist and wants to kill jews.

i understand if you don't want to hear muslims preaching, but no need to get ignorant and tell someone to go blow up some jews or buildings

Samawy tell me find it out for me here in QL

I have never seen any NON_MUSLIM coming out here accusing us muslims for some bullshit. but u guys are just almost ready to point out their faults by any mean.

You guys still come up saying that u respect other relegion bullshit that i don see here at all.They are far more better than us IN THIS ERA.STILL IF UNEDUCATED BUT ARE WELL MANNERED. he wouldnot have said it GARBAGE but you guys forced him with ur and few others worthless comments.

if u are with that much Knowledge Of Quran Or Hadees Or Sunat. Find me out the line from any of these books stating that Accuse Blame Indict or what ever the non muslims for being not a muslim.

To Hell with u all calling themSELVES a preacher NO U ARE NOT U ARE MAKING FUN OF IT MAKING FUN OF PREACHERS AND THE RELEGION BY ITSELF.KNUCKLE HEAD DUNCE NUTZ.

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Hey sl without being so bold. what is garbage: ala7mad or what?

If garbage is ala7mad, i think we are getting somewhere, but if garbage is something else, here we need to ask you to have respect on the way you are making your comments. It won't stop ala7mad to talk about his religion.

here i wish to ask ala7mad to just avoid you and just cease commenting on religion since people like you are out there to insult and ridicule.

I like the 'against preaching religion'. It shows a sense of power and courage. Be more powerful without using insults.

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Hey sl without being so bold. what is garbage: ala7mad or what?

If garbage is ala7mad, i think we are getting somewhere, but if garbage is something else, here we need to ask you to have respect on the way you are making your comments. It won't stop ala7mad to talk about his religion.

here i wish to ask ala7mad to just avoid you and just cease commenting on religion since people like you are out there to insult and ridicule.

I like the 'against preaching religion'. It shows a sense of power and courage. Be more powerful without using insults.

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look don't mix i don't think samawy preach people here... he just discuss ..thats it ..

THE RESPECT IS THE UNIQUE WAY TO COMMUNICATE

I am not filled with hatred and hate. But I am against preaching garbage here irrespective of the religion. That's all.

sorry ,, but u r filled of hatred and hate...

THE RESPECTFULL IS THE UNIQUE WAY TO COMUNICATE..

Poor sl. do you know what you're trying to say. Do you recognise the words you're using. You need to learn how to insult him and leave what he's preaching intact. Go through your comment again and see how people are intact but what you have smeared to the message. Let it be that i don't know english, but the least i have laernt tell me that you have ridiculed and insulted a religion already.

Thats why i said, just avoid it. read it and ignore it. you hate it leave it alone. Its not true that you don't want to hear it, but you really go looking for it everywhere just to get a chance to attack it and feel nice.

Could people stop cheating themselves. some others say i criticise! What? I dont think so. The best solution leave it alone. Because you are not qualified to comment while hatred is dripping from your eyes.

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Nobody insult and redicule Islam. We respect all the Religeons but redicule/insult people who preach garbege and trash here and try to put these down our throat. Understand?

I totally agree with u .. Unfortunately there r some of people here feel happy when they insult and ridicule Islam...

yes i agreee ... the respectfull is the unique way to comunicate...

god bless u ..

enjoy life to the fullest without bothering with religeous garbage and trash.

I really don't care to be honest. Since there's no proof one way or the other of an afterlife I choose to follow my heart in this life. If that means loving and accepting homosexuals for who they are, sharing wine and good times with friends, or loving people to the fullest whenever I can, or even wearing a tank top while I have the body to pull it off, so be it. I refuse to limit myself to the constricting rules of something that may or may not exist. If there is a God, he gave me this life to enjoy and make the most out of, not live as a slave.

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But that all is part of life, no matter how tragic it is. Some people cope with it easier than others, some turn to god and others except the inevitable and make the best of the life they have. Whatever they choose to do with their life shouldn't hold any bearing on you.

You know the saying, "Better to die on your feet than live on your knees!"

of this life. Which has very sad ending. You have leave your beloved ones or may be they will leave you and you have live alone and sad.

SI can you tell me what is the purpose of your life

you guys are in such love with each other here that u dont wana leave this topic at all and hidding here together :)

MOVE UR BUTTS TO OTHER TOPICS TOO.

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Don't we all..shhh!!

Saud went back home. just finished his work (surfing internet on company account). will be back on sunday to continue with free internet access by courtersy of his unsuspecting boss

Or gorgeous men in my case :p

Anyway Who wants die when there are plenty of AlChol, Cigrettes, Meat and Grogeous women around.

I don't live to die. I die to live

Exactly, to live this life...and not preparing to die everyday of our life...what a waste!

I know exactly what is the purpose of my life and I certainly don't need anybody to tell me about it.

it is not right. Dont you want to know something what you must know about it. Something for which you may blame no one but yourself that you have missed the opportunity. Dont you think it is my right and your right to know what is the purpose of our life.

diregard for anyone. I dont think so

if Allah is there for you just keep him securely without bothering others.

said that and i do not expect any thing from one. Allah is there for me and for every one.

Lets see what you know about Islam. You've kept on repeating this several times.

I think your confused....no one is insulting Islam. What people are opposing is your disregard for anyone with different views than you.

You have to admire Saud's presistence, no matter how many times we say we know plenty about Islam and please stop preaching it, he just keeps going and going. Like an irritating little bug flying around your head, Or a that smell of sewer that just won't go away.

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to stop reading my posts if you think it is garbage or insult. I can never stop posting my post about Islam. Why any one would think about Islam that it is an insult or garbage, only those who do not know about Islam at all.

It is our right to know what we wantto know and it is our right not to know the religeous garbage preached by you.

There is nothing wrong about America or Canada or any country on the face of earth. We all belongs to Allah isn't it. No one is going to stay forever. Allah will inherit all this places to other generation who will be next.

No one subscribe to any kind of exclusive religion. We all follow what Allah has taught us via HIS prophet Mohammed (P.B.U.H). All muslims are brothers and sisters :)

You've insulted me. Many times. I'm insulted by posts about Islam, stop posting.

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i have never insulted any person by posting about Islam.

earlier, it is every body's right to know about this religion then they are free to either accept or reject it :)

But this thread is for respecting Islam and other religions and not to withstand mockery and ridicule.

Yes please pray for me...if that would mean you stop posting about religion!

i really praise Allah that HE has created persons like you and all those who work on defending HIS religion Islam.

You should not forget at any time that we all have only one teacher i.e. Mohammed (P.B.U.H) and all muslims have to follow him. You have done your job 100% by creating this thread and tried to defend Islam. Due to this thread many persons who did not know about Allah and HIS prophet, now they started knowing this and believe me Samawy this will be witnessed on the Day of Judgement that you tried your best to defend Islam.

We should not take others as our teachers and start doing what they are doing since we have great teacher Mohammed (P.B.U.H). We should pray for them and wish for them the best because you know how Allah love human beings and always looking forward for them to go back to Allah :)

What do dogs do...well when they are puppies they will get into everything and dig everything up. That's when you have to train them how to poop outside, teach them what they can and can't do....which as I said requires patience. You can teach them tricks like, sit down, roll, heal, even handshakes. Walking them is fun, and they are so affectionate you will fall in love straight away.

do us a favour. stop preaching garbage here. we are not interested.

I advise every one to discuss with scholars if anyone do not want to believe me. I am 100% sure they have more knowledge about Islam. Everyone is free to read what i type and also free to ignore. I welcome any comments and i am ready to accept if i have really mistaken in what i've typed.

My purpose is to introduce Allah to someone who did not hear about HIM or may have forgot about such a great Allah ;)

Where i doha can i get 'whiskas'. i would like to try also. What is it made of?

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and i will keep on saying, whether anyone believed in Allah or not it is not going to harm HIM. Whether anyone believed in HIS prophet Mohammed (P.B.U.H) or not it is not going to harm Him or Allah. Whether anyone believed in Allah's words in Quran or not it is not going to harm HIM or HIS prophet or HIS Holy Book.

Please listen everyone this earth and everyting in this earth belongs to Allah. Everybody in this earth and in the universe including all human being belogs to Allah and they will go back to their only God i.e. Allah Almighty.

Allah has set examples in HIS book of the nations who did not believe in HIM. One example is there in Egypt if you anyone has doubt about it. It is Firaon (Mummy). Allah has promised to protect firaon's body to warn others not to repeat what he did.

No book in this world can show such examples.

Scorpio, i did not call you "Hun", i just typed it and i did not realise it. So ma apologise about that :)

Thanks for that info.

I look at things in terms of benefits. Other than company and friend. what can i expect from a cat or a dog?

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Well yeah, humans can consume anything really, if they wanted to...it doesn't mean it's healthy and who knows what eating dry dog food will do to your system after awhile...maybe I should give it a trial...like an experiment..LOL..I'm up for new things :p

Thank you dunpeel for the long comment. But No Dunpeel, i didn't expect that long post at this time when we're through with the dialogue.

We've reached to an implied understanding that there's need to protect religious beliefs from harm. Thus we won't be posting any religous issues simply because the 'other' do respond with insults and ridicule (they call it 'criticism' in a smart way). Its simply NOT working in QL at least at this moment.

Your post is so convincing but people in QL are determined otherwise.

Well, malabari says we have a muslim corner, thats a good opinion and its upto qatari. He's the boss.

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See what they did in Kenya:

http://www.afrol.com/articles/17974

"Dog food" offer for hungry children insults Kenya

afrol News, 3 February - A New Zealand company producing dog food has offered its products to aid starving children in Kenya. The producer maintains her special nutritious dry food mix is fit for human consumption, but Kenyans are offended and outraged by the offer. Government officials and aid organisations have rejected the offered 42 tonnes of "dog food".

The peculiar offer started with an innocent holiday stay of a young "Kiwi" woman in Kenya, where the ongoing drought and hunger left a deep impression. Back in North Canterbury in New Zealand and with a determination to take action, she contacted a friend, dog food producer Christine Drummond, who also was moved by the tales of hunger. They came up with the idea of shipping 42 tonnes of dried dog food to Kenya's starving children

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No problem.

1. Well rabbits and guinea pigs make good pets….especially if you have young children.

Bird's are lovely, but be careful if you have cat's. Depending what type of animals you like, you can have turtles, lizards, spiders even. I had a turtle that used to play with my cat…LOL…

2. They do use dogs for hunting in many places. Beagles are very popular because of their natural ability to hunt.

3. Cat's and dogs are generally cheap. Vet cost for vaccinations and check ups are the most expensive, but other than that, it's not expensive. Dogs are more expensive as they eat more, training school, toys, leashes, grooming.

4. Don’t know what food you're talking about unless you're talking about Whiskas! Ah, no humans shouldn’t consume this….is mainly horse…

5. The costs vary from place to place; at home I have about 140 riyal a visit, here a little less.

6. Anyone who likes company, loyalty, and wants a companion can own a dog. It will honestly change your life owning a pet. They are so much fun. I love coming home after work with my darlings waiting for me at the door, climbing on my lap and curling up with me at night.

Dogs especially are so much fun, very playful; they will be loyal for life. However it takes time training a dog and you need time and patience.

Cats are a lot more independent than dogs. If you're thinking of getting a cat, I recommend getting a male as they are friendlier and more like a dog.

When you lose a pet it is tragic and just like losing a family member or friend.

Remember a pet is for life, they are not here for our amusement!

hi habeebi,

hw r u i realy appreciate abt ur post, this is the one that whole muslims in the world to do but no body is doing this anyway i will be with u......and u can expect all coorperation in this matter, to stop the bad comments agains religois post, and i think " if there is some catagories in QL, Student, Religious, Entertainment, doubts etc etc and this categories should display in the top of our home page. so these time killing peoples wont answer to our religious posts....so lets discuss with this QL team, whether they can make this QL like this so that it will be gud for all kind of people. let us strugle together to spread ISLAM the divine Message. ok

Kind Regards,

Assallamualaikum and peace be upon those who follow the truth,

I have some advice:

Dear brothers and sisters in Islam,

Muhammed (saw) said 'The Muslim Ummah (community/nation) is one Ummah to the exclusion of others' This statement was part of the first policy document/constitution enacted by Muhammed (saw) when he became the leader of Medina. I am a little concerned when I hear muslims labelling themselves as 'american', 'qatari', 'british' or any other label in a manner which demotes their link to the rest of the muslims. Isn't it enough that muslims have been divided into over 54 nations already that we now have muslims who knowingly or otherwise wish to create further divisions? Should i post the hadith on nationalism in which Muhammed (saw)condemns those who call, defend and fight for nationalism/tribalism?

Islam does not force anyone to become Muslim. Islam however has a clear message and objective; that is to rule the world according to Islam so humanity tastes the truth and injustice ends. That is why Islam spread to so many lands and regions i.e. by the armies of Islam. However, people converted to Islam after they had seen and sensed Islams justice and how it solved peoples practical problems in life. In fact the conquered became the conquerers! The same will re-occur when Islam returns to the international arena. Thus, talking to non-muslims about Islam is obligatory but is this our priority today considering the state muslims are in? Or should our priority be with the muslims so that they understand Islam correctly and do not swallow some new religion called 'moderate Islam' formulated by the west and implemented by those self imposed rulers in our lands?

If you are going to speak to non-muslims then do it in the fashion that Muhammed (saw) and his companions (ra) did it i.e. talk to them about the Intellectual proofs of the existence of the Creator, why the Quran is the speech of God and why Muhammed (saw) is a Messenger. These three elements of the Islamic belief can be discussed rationally because the mind can sense them directly or can establish their existence through reality. For example ,God says in the noble Quran to paraphrase, "Behold in the creation of the heaven and earth and the alteration between night and day. Indeed these are signs for those who think' In this verse Allah/God is prompting the people to investigate, think about creation and you will see that it is all dependant on a Creator for its existence and sustenance. We cannot sense Gods essence but we can sense His creation.There are many more verses like this. Discuss, why the Quran is a miracle and thus Revelation. The arabs were addressed directly via the arabic language of the Quran so they can really feel the supremancy and absolute impossibility of anyone (arab and non arab) to produce a verse (shortest is 3 lines) like the Quran. Why? How has the Quran managed to break one of the laws of the universe with respect to language and thus make it a miracle? The Quran is accessible and thus it being a miracle can be sensed and thus subject to a rational discourse. Likewise Muhammed (saw) has to be a Messenger because only Messengers and prophets bring revelation i.e Quran and this Quran is also his Miracle for proof of Messengership / Prophethood.

Thus there is little point in discussing sharia rules, the branches of Islam when you have yet to convince them of the foundations of the belief ( the creed or Aqeedah).

Dear non- Muslims,

As muslims we shall invite you to Islam but their is no compulsion on you to become Muslim. However, it is better for you to seriously investigate Islam because life is short, its end near and then its judgement time. Heaven or Hell. I know where I would want to be but do you know how to get there? Certainly not by ignoring the Will of the Creator and following your whims and desires. As Muslims we believe that Islam is the final message annulling all previous messages. God says in the Quran "This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your way of life." (TMQ 5:3). Thus only through observing its (Islams) commands can Muslims hope to please the Creator and stand a chance of geting to Heaven.

However, even after presenting you the proofs that convince the mind and bring tranquility to the heart, you wish to remain as non-muslims then that this your choice as God has given man the Mind to exercise thinking and make decisions. But remember all of us will be accountable for our decisions.

WalikumSallam and peace upon those who follow the guidance

Some thing happned to my bottle of wine last night. it was half full when I reached home after office. But I found it was empty this morning. very strange. confused. do you think Saud has cast some of his veird spell on me.

Thank you scorpio for the offer. I have many questions:

1. Apart from dogs and cats, what other animals are good pets who can be trained?

2. In Arabia, they use falcon for hunting, do people use dogs for hunting purposes?

3. Whats the cost of keeping a dog, cat or any other pets?

4. I understand they have special food. I kne of this when some good fellow from australia sent dog/cat food as relief for hungry kenyans, but the govt rejected. Now, is that food expensive? Can human consume it?

5. Whats the cost for a normal visit to veterinary doctor?

6. Can a poor fellow like me keep a dog?

7. What does the dog or cat offer in return? Friendship? company? security? what exactly?

8. Is it true that on a pets death, people feel so sory for one another?

I have many other questions, let me get replies on this first. Remember i just want to learn this things, nothing else.

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What do you want to know re caring for animals? I adore animals and know so much about them, so ask away :)

...I've had many huskys as pets and working sled dogs and the survive outside at -60. +40 is torture. If you truly care for animals, you will cancel those plans.

My friend. You cannot even consider bringing a Husky into Doha. It would be pure torture for them in this heat. They would suffer constantly. As Alex said there are so many beautiful unloved dogs in Doha to adopt.

Thats i am too worried about it. they cant stand this heat not at all.

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i had pets Wolf,Dog,Parrots,ducks,Rabbits,Cats,Fish, few lil tiny australian Parrots. am soon am planning to import a husky for farm house.

talk with sense words shouldnot be weightless. should be with reason with some solid reasons facts of life.

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i dont understand some people. Can we stop using islam and islam in QL forum.

I accept shame for what i did and i give you the right to judge me, its a chance for me to rectify my mistakes.

I wish we can just talk as human beings, men and women.

Darude, could you contribute something in care of animals. What do you do in Afghanistan on animals. I strongly belief that its time we just talk as men and women not as this religion and that belief.

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hmmm i thought every thing was well cleared but guess u are making fun of it and enjoying it now. which really defines how good muslim u are with just practice but not a pure knowledge of Islam. And thats really a shame man that u are makin Fun of Religion.

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We as human beings just like you need to learn how to take care of animals. At least any animal, not necesarily dogs. We (human beings) can start with goats and camels, then cats .. gradually until we reach there.

I have a good friend whose pet is a sheep.. he calls it 'mercy'. he use to come with it at the football pitch.

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Lets turn to wine and dog meat. it gives us a chance to understand bettern one another.

Dogs are very clean animals and friendly. Is it true they now use tooth brushes every morning? Oh, these people are so developed. They have respect even to animals. I admire them.

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Interesting, so I'm not allowed to state my views because it may insult people but Saud is allowed to post all this stuff about Islam and what he see's it as, which also may insult people. Bit hypocritical don't you think.

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Look gypsy stop using this forum as a tool to fight over religions Each one has a right to retain their opinions about it to a reasonable extent thats all...

No one is forcing conversion out here..

What language. I wasn't aware silly was a bad word. That's what religion is silly. Silly rules for people who can't think for themselves or don't want to. :)

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You need seek medication dear. I am sure you're mentaly disturbed. It not my first time to hear that from you. There is no question of using such language.

Do you brush your teeth frequently. Can you do it now.

Enjoy your meat. Luck you, have wine and dog meat.

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I will enjoy it samawy :) I don't have some silly religion telling me not to.

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Thats a good topic to discuss.

Oh, thats nice, you tried DOG? Have you tried human? or cat? you enjoy whatever you feel is right. put some in the fridge, we may run out of beef in Qatar soon.

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Now I can honestly say I've never had crocodile meat. I'll defintely have to try it. Hope it's better than dog. Enjoying a nice beer as we speak. Quite refreshing. :D

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I've tried to approach the issue of religous postings in QL in a hollistic manner. But it seems its not working.

I asked the four main groups (not intended to offend anyone through the classification) to maintains specific conduct when it come to discussing or reacting to spiritual issues. All QL Members to observe R rules; Muslims not to start it; Non Muslims not to insult and expect negative reaction; and Atheists to keep off. I still believe the combination works well.

I do respect the effort of people like SAUD to be cool and focused without loosing temper but SAUD this doesn't work here. I want to win you, but I think you need to use 'contemporary' language to talk about Islam.

I know i have the right to start a thread and don't have the right to end it, otherwise i would just stop this thread here since it already served the purpose. But I feel i have the right to plead QL members to maintain the spirit shown in this thread when it comes to religous issues.

Genesis, you're an 'enlightened' qatari guy. You actually qualify the prize to visit America, Canada and other places. Because thats what available. SAUD doesn't have the knowledge of the new enlightened Islam. Its 2007 model.

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From the passages you’ve wrote. I’ve concluded that your knowledge is based on the wahabis propaganda we’ve been taught at school.

I don’t know if you knew, but they no longer teach that crap at schools.

I've got so much respect for a strange guy calling me "hun", especially one who preaches Islam, when you know perfectly well that sort of behavior is not accepted by Allah. Especially a stranger!

Someone isn't as pure and sinless as he has would like others to believe :D

you all the right path.

GOOD :p

was not wrong about what he said as he had experience with such people. Instead of try to understand they will start to ridicule the religion.

What you or gypsy or Mr. SI is doing. Definitely this thread is not to discuss the wine or any thing concerning this but you are doing it. Why dont you start a special thread and discuss you favourite kind of wine there. So i see Samawy was not wrong but saying "not qualified" ;) because they wont even try to understand.

Samawy's said "Thank to all guys. Still one request, please if you cant say GOOD keep quiet, it serve as good" this suite them.

Dont you think i am right hun :)

I don't eat meat so won't be enjoying the crocodile with you, but heard it's delicious.

The wineries are paradise. Could easily spend a couple of weeks driving around the country side, enjoying wine and relaxing in a B&B...with a Jacuzzi of course.

lovely wine and crocodile meat in a hot summer day in Singleton make my day. gypsy will surely like it. I bet you.

Samawy R rules of dialogue

Non-belivers: Since you've nothing to do with religion, i don't think you are invited to comment on religous topics. Its logic: you hate, you ignore, you leave alone. If you read, thank you. But don't reply, for you are not qualified.

Which part don't you understand?

hmmm lol ahan thats why N is missing in the end of ur nick Scorpio coz some one stole ur tail :)

am fine thanks

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How are you? I don't have a tail...only a sexy a@#

The war of civilisations and culture is infecting every where, even Qatar Living.....make love not war

where is ur tail wana break it

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Thank u for your compliments

Yes I've been to Singleton...is so beautiful...most the wineries are...one of my favorites has to Peter Lehman's in the Barossa. Beautiful gardens, friendly and competent staff, but most importantly.....lovely wine and cheese...mmmmm

Samawy never said anything like that.

SI as i said earlier you are very smart and intelligent.

OH. I know why you want to quit for today. office working hours are coming to an end right. must leave at 5'00pm so free internet access is denied until tomorrow morning. good night have one or two glasses of Red Wine before dinner OK.

I would love to do a wine tour of Oz, keep me posted about when you plan on going...course I always wanted to go to OZ and remember my trip...Ah well. :)

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I think Hunter Valley is better. we can teach him to make / drink wine while eating crocadile meat. By the way u have been to Singleton.

said "Thank to all guys. Still one request, please if you cant say GOOD keep quiet, it serve as good".

I'm thinking maybe Hunter Valley or the Barossa....Oh and we can even go in a mini van so we can drink as much as we want..:D

Sorry about printing mistake. Are u planning to bring Saud for a guided tour around a wine yard in OZ land. I am sure he loves that. (all expences on Saud's account as it is costly to obtain enlightenment)

I'm a lady..not a man...lol

Well your trying to preach to others about Islam....the love of your life....well one of mine is wine...I just thought we should share...it's only fair!

You must be a very brave man to try Singha in LOS man

never mind about the original topic. just enjoy you beer and wine

there in the original topic.

I LOVE kingfisher strong. One of those and I'm half drunk. Gotta love Pina Colada's and a good Cosmo.

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Depends where Singha is brewed. I have tasted some that are really awful, brewed in places like Turkey....Singha in Thailand is ace!

You should try some Saud, may just lighten you up...heck you might even enjoy yourself :p

Where did you learn how to drink Singha Beer. It gives me headache. Kilkenny lite is very good.

I really like Singh and Carlsberg....Kilkenny when I'm in the mood and a nice refreshing Kingfisher.

Oh and don't forget cocktails....Pina Colada, a Dirty Martini and White Russian...mmmmmm

Yeah and he also told non-religious people that they had no right to ask questions...did you not read that part?

Oh and wine is good for you in moderation....thins the blood and is good for the heart....You should read up on it...or I could always preach to you about the velocity; what it means, different types of wine and how it's produced.

You want a lesson?: :D

"Budweiser" is here. Cheers

Sorry SL, could never really get into cigarettes, my boyfriend smokes, but I tend to send him out of the room. :P DO you know what else I like, Beer. Beer is good. NewCastle Brown Ale is my favorite. Think I'll go home and have one...or three. :D

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I really like a nice Pinot Noir from NZ...or a nice Sav Blanc from Oz...mmmm

Wealth - always earn more than expenditure

Lose of brain - never had one (i won't be here if I have one)

Humanity, respect - first you have to sane to get or give those

wealth and lose of brain, humanity, respect and lot more.

I realy love my 2 friends. Mr. AlChol and Ms. Cigeratte. They help me to keep my sane here. Long live Mr. AlChol & Ms. Cigeratte. You two are true friends. (I don't have many anyway)

You see wine works on losing the brain and then makes a man equal to donkey

WIne is awesome. What's your favorite kind Scorpio. I prefer white wine myself. Especially a nice Sauvignon Blanche from South Africa or Australia.

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said do not insult religion and do not withstand mockery and ridicul. He is right.

Wine is harmful and not useful. You know this more than any one :|

Those who do not want to hear about Islam, I wish they try to hear about it and find it out how beautiful this religion is. Islam will tell everyone the purpose of life :)

Well Saud... people do get offended just like samawy is offended by people asking him questions about Islam.

Try to tone it down a little. As I said, I'm happy for you and your chosen religion but there are people who just don't want to hear it.

It's just like me saying that your life isn't complete without wine...mmmm wine! How can anyone live without it :p

show everyone the straight path.

not be offended. If any one from Catholic comes to me and preach their religion to me, i have answers. I can tell them i am muslim and I am practicing Islam and i am sure that it is 100% true so there is no reason which will make me offended.

I am not forcing any one. Yeah you are right no one in this world is 100% right that is why i accepted Islam because i am sure only Allah can be 100% right no one else ;) you can refer Quran, Allah's words

I do understand it. I don't like it. End of story.

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I do understand it. I don't like it. End of story.

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Ummm..how do you know your not offending anyone? Do you think if you went up to a Catholic and started preaching Islam to them they won't be offended?

I think your missing the point.You can't force a religion on to someone that's not interested. I'm surprised that Allah didn't teach you this!

Oh and no one in this world is 100% right...that's just naivety.

know about Islam alot but you may have not understood it properly. You can discuss with scholars and it is universal truth that truth is worthy to be looked for :)

All religions should be respected and should not be ridicule.

I did not lie about this and i am not offending any one in the world. I respect every one with his/her own views but dont you think you should convince others and show them the right path when you are sure you are 100% right. I think you should do and you should do your best.

Its Allah WHO have instructed Muslims to tell others who do know about HIM because it is everybody's right to know who is his/her God and why he/she has been created :)

I know lots about Islam Saud and I don't like it. It doesn't float my boat so to speak. I don't want to be Muslim, I will never be Muslim, I don't like religion, so please go away.

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Since QL is about living in Qatar and Islam is one most important part of Qatar and since everyone in Qatar has accepted to follow the law in Qatar therefore every person in Qatar is enforced to respect this religion :) whether he/she is muslim or not muslim.

Why i was telling you all about Islam because you do not know about Islam and you wouldn't listen to me any where else so QL is the best place for me to tell you and all about Islam ;) and i am not violating Qatari's points since it is about the topic.

Khalas....seriously....you are offending people with your rants about Islam....what right do you have to tell people "Allah is the only God of everybody"....when people have their own religious views?....you are so biased it's laughable.

Honestly I think it's great you adore and respect Allah so much...why not join him and give the rest of us a break.....

Then stop preaching it on QL and we won't have to insult you and your book.

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Brother Samawy is right. No religion should be aimed to insult or ridicule.

are you judging the whole Ummah just on several or many people. Even if the whole Ummah keeping the Quran on the floor, it is your duty to stop them from doing so and tell them the right path, may be they do not know.

Even if many muslims they drink or doing other things as you have mentioned, these will not become right things (Halal) to do. The worst thing (Riba), many muslims are doing it but it will not turn to (Halal) it will still remain (Haram) and you know this.

We have to follow our Prophet Mohammed (P.B.U.H) and you know How he was and How He spent His life and left good examples.

Why dont you start preaching Islam since you are sure that you have good knowledge in Islam and i am sure also you have. Besides you are good in English also, so you can covey Islam better than anyone. Allah will help you and May Allah help all of us and all human being :)

doubt that Islam is itself very good and bright religion. But there 6 billion or more people around the world. All may not be able to wait to hear the practice of Islam speak. This religion has been completed 1428 years ago and now it is Muslims duty to tell each person in this world about this religion.

Just to tell you i can not be shut up ;)

and let the practise of Islam speak for itself rather than put people off it with all your prosthelyzing. People will "get it" if they see it working, if in practice it is everything you say it is. Just saying how brilliant Islam is all the time is just irritating, it doesn't persuade anyone.

Patriotism cannot be our final spiritual shelter; my refuge is humanity. Tagore, Bengali Poet

is for everybody. Everyone has right to know about Islam and get it. We can not keep it to ourselves because it is not only for us. It is for the whole world.

The outward show of religion always seems to bring out the worst in people. I know it is not the fault of religion it is the fault of the losers who have to cloak themselves in rhetoric and prostelyze at any opportunity they get.

Everyone is entitled to their religious belief as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else but why the hell can't they keep it to themselves. If you really want to convince people that your religion is worthy of notice, the best or whatever message you want to get across, keep your stupid mouths shut and let your actions speak for themselves.

Patriotism cannot be our final spiritual shelter; my refuge is humanity. Tagore, Bengali Poet

you so angry :)

Go away little fanantic! Go blow up some Jews or buildings or something and leave us alone!

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world belongs to Allah, its Muslims duty to covey HIS messages everywhere and on every website.

THis isn't the place to preach about Allah or try to convert people, go find some other website.

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not concerned with whether anyone cares about it or not. I am doing what Allah wants Muslim to do. He wants us to tell everyone about HIM and what HE wants. So whatever i said is not bad at all ;) isnt it

it is natural that everybody loves his/her country and home etc and they rush to defend whenever someone intends to insult, attack or whatever.

Islam is more than a country for Muslims :)

Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah....give it up Saud! Nobody cares!

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Allah is the only God of everybody, everybody means all and everything whether they are live, visible, unvisible, everything. He created universe, everything in the universe, 7 skys and 7 earths, Heaven and Hell, infact everything.

Allah wants human being to follow whatever HE says and do whatever HE wants. Human being when they came on the earth started ignoring Allah's directions. As you all know, Allah loves His this creature more than others, so Allah sent HIS prophets to tell the people how to follow Allah's instructions and sent his messages to human being via BOOKS, which you all know Torah, Zaboor, Enjeel (now called as Bible) and Quran. There is no doubt that all those are HIS Holy books and all words pasted therein are HIS words. Human being can never say such words. Now all the books except Quran, were amended by their followers but Quran is not and can never be.

Quran is very lovely book which tells the truth and instructs to do good deeds and prohibits from bad deeds.

So, listen to me carefully, those who were or are insulting Quran they do not know this book. They will know only if they will read them. Those who were or are insulting Prophet Muhammed (P.B.U.H), they do not know who He was. And those who want to insult Allah, they do not know HIM.

Allah loves everybody, more then 70 mothers. If you say only one time (Ya Allah) Allah replies 70 times (Labbek Ya Abdee). Everybody has right to know such a great God. HIS doors are open for everybody. And our prophet Mohammed (P.B.U.H), He did alot for all of us.

you are right. There is 100% insult.

This is the noori thread i am refering to: http://qatarliving.com/node/12731?page=1

Its not cricism i am against. Its not criticism what some QL members do. its pure insult. Its judgement on others. Like telling somebody: you bustard: is this criticism or insult.

My proposed solution to end this problem is hollistic. I am asking Muslims to stop posting religous issues and if they do then they should use logic reasoning without refering to religion. I also ask non muslims to avoid indulging in religous issues. Its better and safe.

Now people are accusing me of being enlightened. If being enlightened is to accept insults, then let enlightenment stay with you.

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This is the noori thread i am refering to: http://qatarliving.com/node/12731?page=1

Its not cricism i am against. Its not criticism what some QL members do. its pure insult. My proposed solution to end this problem is hollistic. I am asking Muslims to stop posting religous issues and if they do then they should use logic reasoning without refering to religion. I also ask non muslims to avoid indulging in religous issues. Its better and safe.

Now people are accusing me of being enlightened. If being enlightened is to accept insults, then let enlightenment stay with you.

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what you say i agree with but unfortunately many equate discuss with attack. they just accept and shakes and rattles their little boat too much to do otherwise. i have this problem with a family member and their practice of christianity. their religion is their life jacket throughout all aspects of their life.

i think you got the wrong end of the stick ...

Yes they are. Very Sad people too.

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You know when I started posting on the gay marriage topic, in my usual blunt say what I feel way, I got a couple of Pm's saying "watch it, these are Muslims, they are very protective of their faith, they'll declare a fatwa against you" and you know what? I laughed. I said, this is Qatar, the people here may be Muslim, but they're enlightened, they can handle critiszm and dish it back 100%. I'm not worried.

Samaway, you dissapoint me. You can't take critiszm of your faith, and you can't defend it. Sad really. I don't believe in anything I can't defend.

For that matter, I'm willing to defend Islam against ignorance, and you aren't???

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how true

religious discussion is good and should be encouraged (and also aetheists of course)...how else can we understand each other? or learn from each other? or question ourselves? why not do that on a public forum...one doesn't have to respond if one doesn't want to after all ...Qatar is open and encouraging about this...Qatar this week hosted a multi-faith dialoque conference...it was really interesting and informative and thought provoking at the times I was there...good for Qatar

Scorpio, do all girls out there put on hijab? Whats the context?

hmmm...what has that got to do with my post? I'm confused..

First of all Samaway Noori's post on "Hijab" was wrong because she actually posted a picture of "Niqab" which if you ask any Moderate Muslim is NOT required (in fact it is highly debatable if Hijab is required). I'm sorry if you are not a moderate muslim and do not agree with this interpertation, but read up on islamonline and you will see they say the same thing.

Once again, not respecting us because we don't see the same thing you do, or asking us not to discuss things we would like to discuss is not the way a public forum works, and remember, we are on a PUBLIC forum, so people can discuss what they want.

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Alexa, happy you. Verynice rule of 'you have no right' and you give yourself the overal 'right' you deny me.

Scorpio, do all girls out there put on hijab? Whats the context?

What i am asking is for us to continue to respect each other. Its not a forum to communicate not to insult. Or you want to say, its a right to offend others

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"Actually, if you are not a muslim, the post doesn't concern you"

If you take the time to read the thread by Noori she actually says

"to all the girls out there".....she doesn't say "to all muslim girls out there"....me thinking she wanted views from ALL the girls out there.

I know saud feel the pain while arguing 'homosexuals'. He agrees that some QL members are not used to clean dialogue and cannot be trusted with worthy and sacred issues. I dont understand why. I really admire saud he managed to control his anger and argued his case in a professional way. Thats how to talk sensibly.

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Those who pretend not to understand whats at stake:

Its simple mathematics. Don't insult any Religion, the Prophets, the Books, whatever. Thats what most of us do. If you fail to convince somebody or disturbed by the mention of what you hate to see and hear about, say sthing like Hijab, we respond with very harsh words. If any one want to familiarise himself with such things read Hijab post by one 'noori'. Its full of insults and the like.

Is anybody provoked because someone calls muslim women to wear Hijab? How comes we hail Islam with all sorts of names because one is asking her fellow muslims to do the right thing. Actually, if you are not a muslim, the post doesn't concern you. But there are elements who hunt for such chances and they go ahead and write anything they can, insults which they can't even mention before their bosses and peer group but they feel happy and joyful to put them in a commnent.

Ooh, please allow me, its got no taste.

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which confusing all you guys.

I have dozens of Muslim friends who have no problem talking to me about Islam....including the difficult questions. What is your problem?

I don't get it samaway, what scares you so much about criticism of Islam? Is it that you can't defend your belief or we non-believers might actually start to make sense?

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Cheers!

"Life can only be understood looking behind but can only be lived looking ahead"

i think religion is NEVER something only between you and your god.it is about the whole life, between you and your god, between you and your children, between you and society, between you and animals, mountains, stones, etc. etc. Religion is a lifestyle including every step of our life. no one can push us to believe in something but we also do not have the right to comment on the fundamentals of religions.

Qatar has open door for Muslims and all others. I thank them.

I wont be pushed to show genesis the kind of ridicule done to islam in this forum, but he can just go through one post like the Hijab of noori and Homosexuals, and see for himself and lucky you and QF if you can swallow that. I don't know what you'll be left with. perhaps only 'a wide accomodating mind of all kind of stuff'. That will be great achievement. I can't swallow what some people say about Islam, Quran out of no where. Happy genesis, accepts insults and thats best way to foster harmony between people and religions.

People are good to say i didn't mean this or that and others are good to forget even what they just said minutes ago.

Let all remember that: I am against discussing religous issues in public forum. CAN WE STOP it in QL then and join the hand of e46m3.

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I think people need to realize that questioning a religion or pointing out it's flaws or not accepting quotes from the Quran as valid scientific evidence is NOT insulting religion.

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i 2nd u ..., religion is between u and your god, not you and other ppl.

Religion is the last think I want to talk about in a public forum.

It's always better to shut your mouth and everybody thinks you are a fool than to open it and relieve all their doubts!" ~ M. Twain

Cheers!

"Life can be only understood looking behind but can only be lived looking forward"

I am not qualified to talk about religion??? ha ha you dont' know me so don't make value judgements about me. I may not follow one religion but I probably have a much broader knowledge of religion than you do. I will like others say what I want. You can't silence me. And if you don't like it then dont' YOU come to this forum.

If you are too insecure about your religion to discsuss and accept and respect other peoples' beliefs then this isn't the forum for you.

You say you respect personal choices then tell non-believers not to comment.

Hypocrite

So good to see your opinion. Maybe there is a chance....

I am a Qatari Muslim, but can’t help not to mocker your pathetic fundamentalist blah.

Piece of advice, this country is no longer for narrowed minded retrogressive individuals.

I think higher executives at Qatar foundation aim are not only educational. But also to create a generation of intellectually diverse open minded individuals who preserves local tradition yet can survive in the civilized world & fight religious bigot like your self.

Thank you mystokes. Its peace you want and its peace you will get. Be sure.

scmasse, I said earlier, this is not the right place to discuss religous details. You may be serious and wanting to know but an open forum provide some people who are out there and loose with ready packed insults to throw at any religion.

Please email me at [email protected] and i'll appreciate communicating with you.

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Your referenced passage clearly tells you to "turn away from them". Then why are you provoking them? Is the Quran not clear in this matter?

I didn't take any offence, but am heartened that you took the trouble to make sure that no offence took place.

I have to say that I don't agree with much of what you say, but hope that we can peacefully co-exist.

I have an infant son, and would like to think that he can grow up in, if not a particularly happy world, at least a peaceful and tolerant world. I know that I am following the true faith, and you know that you are. Let us both follow our choices peacefully (and quietly?).

Myk

I am not going to respond to any religous arguements in this forum. simply because its not the right place. I haven't done before and i am not intending to. I want to play the role of protecting my belief from ridicule.

I welcome 'qatari' decision as mentioned by Darude and i hope its actualized.

I wish to adopt the explanation provided by 'hamlet' on what i meant by Muslim belief is 'greater', it should be: Muslim belief is wider. If this statement still offend others i wish to withdraw it.

Thank you Darude for your input. I'm humble and don't claim to know everything but at least i know i am supposed to protect my belief and conscious from ridicule and insults.

Thank to all guys. Still one request, please if you cant say GOOD keep quiet, it serve as good.

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Forgive & Forget.

I am helping Muslims protect their belief from ridicule:

The Quran says in 6:68

'And if you encounter those who make fun of Our revelations, then turn away from them until they move on to a different topic; and if the devil lets you forget, then do not sit after remembering with the wicked people'.

Do not make a chance for some QL members to do it. PLEASE DON'T. I want to particulary ask 'noori' not to do it. Its just not the right place especially with some elements in QL.

Always Remember the R Rules of Dialogue

and Forgive & Forget.

I agree with DaRuDe. Mutual respect must always be our rule in relating to one another.

Hi INjinuity which co r u wrkng for now?

Muslims and non muslims.... you lost me there itself...

rgds,

j.j

I'm an atheist and I will comment on all of your future posts. LOL! I'm not interested in insulting Islam. But I'd love to take the piss out of you.

Thats not the way one preaches Islam. In such Harsh manners its like you are imposing Islam on them by hook or by crok. yours 3point NoN Muslims thats kind of insult as if they are not muslim and they got no knowledge about Islam. I tell you even you being a Muslim you dont have that much Knowledge about Islam and its Teachings and Its Way. Should be soft spoken and spoken to. try to enligthen them with Basic issues first You will just come say Allah And Prophet Mohammad (P.B.U.H). they only know by names they dont know the back grounds why was he Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) sent. They know Jesus and Mary.so we call them Ahel Ketab.(Book Family. They read Bible we Read Quran. Who sent those books from where they came in first place. sure Allah right.I am Also Muslim Afghani donot need to explain more.Ppl hate hated and still hating Taliban. But i dont.you think u got more knowledge about Islam. Pal i have lived 5 years in Africa i know their ways which infact is really not a way.ask them Ahel ketab ever they kept bible on floor??But you guys do i have seen that.They go to church once a week on sunday.u me others we daily go five times.what r we doing making friendship with females out!!!drinks!!!they are in limit we have crossed the limits.

Your point 5. Qatari already posted a topic. this forum is not for Religion.try some other website.you cant Impose Islam on Ahel Ketab. if you will Respect others relegion sure will they do than. :)

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I agree with some points the original poster has made. ie. gratuitous insulting of someone's religion is bad and people who do this should be discouraged.

Saying that I object to this:

"The Muslim belief is greater than any other belief. If you belief in one prophet we believe in all of them"

This point should be open to debate by all, regardless of your own religion. If I am a Catholic can I object to this, If I'm Jewish could I have my own opinion.

If we want to have a full and frank debate about religion, ok cut out the insults but then don't lay down that sort of statement and then expect people not to respond.

I personally find the above statement offensive. And you certainly can't just lay it out there and not invite response. This is as bad as Christians claiming the Earth is 6,000 years old and there really was a Noah's Ark.

the way one feel it no matter how calm u are and cool minded but behind the screen every one takes a wrong image for what has been said and what really we meant to say.

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I don't agree with insulting any ones religious beliefs and views, but regardless what religion we are (or not at all), why can't we question people without them getting offended?

(I'm not talking about asking offensive questions).When someone says you have no qualifications to make comments or ask a question because you don't believe in god, that is offensive. You have no right to make statements like that and should have more RESPECT for people.

Qatari can you do something about all the insults against homosexuals, and people telling others that there is only one religion and everyone should follow it. I'll be glad!

Hamlet I haven't insulted any religion, Perhaps you are simply oversensitive.

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If I may be so bold, let us postulate for a moment that there is a God. The very concept of God is as easy to understand as 11-dimensional M-theory.

It is like three blind men describing the same elephant: one feels the tail and think it is thin and small, like a whip. One feels the trunk and feels that it is like a large and supple pipe. The third feels the leg and feels it is like a large, strong palm tree. They get into an argument about what an elephant is really like.

To be an authentic hearing and sharing, any discussion about religion needs to be served up with large doses of compassion and humility for each other (think this goes for athiests as well, IMO). Anything else is really just the baying of fools. Let's face it, we're really not going to convince anyone of anything through brute force except that we end up poisoning the community well.

"I'll say what I want" . You have mentioned in your personnel information you ara a philosopher, this is your philosophy very sorry for you, may god guide you like human.

Gypsy we can handle your questions but not your insults

mystokes I think he meant wider and not greater, meaning that it beleives in all previous relegions (it is not a sin for Christians to insult our prophet, but it is sin if we did the same to Jesus)

Coolie...who said anything about Theists?!

The Atheist rejects all Gods. The Theist rejects all Gods but one. Very little difference.

As a follower of an older religion than yours, please allow me to clarify that "The Muslim belief is greater than any other belief" is only an opinion, to which not everybody subscribes.

Who are you to say atheists can't comment. If I want to ask a question about Islam or any other religion, I have every right. Who said anything about hating?

It's simple, if you don't like it, don't read it.

You know what you can do with samawys rules..lol

Please familiarize yourself with the following post by Qatari:

www.qatarliving.com/node/11790

I'll say what I want. If you can't handle my questions or ridicule that's your problem, not mine.

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