Riyadh to regulate marriages
Qatar Tribune {15.04.2009, Pg 07}
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RIYADH Saudi Arabia plans toregulate thethe marriages of
young girls, its justice ministerwas quoted as saying on
Tuesday, after a court refused to nullify the marriage of an 8-year-old to a man 50 years her senior. The senior justice ministry aims “to put an end to arbitrariness by parents and guardians in marrying off minor girls”,
Saudi Arabia is a patriarchal society that applies an austere form of Sunni Islam that bans unrelated men and women from mixing and gives fathers the right to wed their sons and daughters to whoever they deem fit. The
minister’s comments suggested the practice of marrying off young girls would not be abolished. The regulations will seek to “preserve the rights, fending off blights to
end the negative aspects of underage girls’ marriage”, he said. Acourt in the Saudi town of Unaiza upheld for the second time last week the marriage of the Saudi girl to a man who is about 50 years her senior, on condition he does not have sex with her until she reaches puberty.
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Discuss guys
Queen: Wise words, it's not a matter of questioning the book but the good level of education we all know that it's not because it isn't written in the book that things don't exist. Our profet didn't knew to read or write but he was blessed by Allah with some knowledge, just imagine how it would be the world if no one knew how read or write.
Ayman
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Abu, thank you for sharing the Q'uran with us. I, for one, do not question what is written in the book.
But, we are in 21st century. With regard to the news above, I believe every people who became educated and realizes that some practices can be changed based on humanity.
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"Admit your mistakes...before someone exaggerates the story."
wow - Again!!
May I know the consequences please.
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Listen to Many..Speak to a few.
Quote again “From Quran
107 And We have sent you (O Muhammad, p&buh) not but as a mercy for the Alamin* (mankind, jinn and all that exists)” close quote
Last Para Quote
"Of course it is the free will of all of us to follow the book, the teachings of the prophet (p&buh) fully or partly or not at all]” close quote No compulsion to even believe in it
Please read
As Allah says in his words (the Noble Quran) [Best English interpretation of the meanings]
6. The Day mankind will proceed in scattered groups that they may be shown their deeds.
7. So, whosoever does good equal to the weight of an atom (or a small ant) shall see it
8. And whosoever does evil equal to the weight of an atom (or a small ant) shall see it.
From the Noble Quran Chapter No 99 Surat Az-Zalzalah (The Earthquake)
And Allah asks in his words (the Noble Quran)[Best English interpretation of the meanings]
8 Is not Allah the Best of judges?
From the Noble Quran Chapter No 95 Surat At-Tin (The Fig)
The point is that Islam is complete code of life for the mankind with very clear directives and commandment, all the possible scenarios have the provisions available to follow, if one ignores the regulation (Muslim or non Muslim) knowingly, he also is told the consequences.
But again no compulsion what so ever…. We all have to eventually meet Him and be Answerable individually, whether it be Saudis, Taliban or Europeans or Africans or Americans, for that matter Muslims or Non Muslims alike….
Have a good weekend and May the Lord (Allah) guide us ALL to the straight path …Aameen
Peace to All,
having sex before your body is ready is stupid no matter where you are...but having a partner that's 3 times your age makes it a whole lot stupider if you ask me.
Yes Khansiraj it is. Both emotionally and physically.
Some Muslims are doing marriage to minor childs,Even if it is not widely practiced,those who do this is governed by some regulation.What about most of school children in America and Europe having sex before they reach to age of 14.At some schools of America even Condom is distributed.That is ok? If sexual intercourse is harmful at tender age than it is harmful in both the cases married or unmarried.
"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
You can't in the case of Mohammed. His personal life is public/political life for the Muslims.
they are justifying these child marriages! Then, as a political consideration, how can we differentiate political and personal debt/gratitude?
"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
yes, dms. If it was tribal or cultural then it would make no sense at all anymore in the 21th century. The easiest way to justify it therefore is to refer to a religious entity. Unfortunately Mohammed had 9 - 11 wifes. And he married Aisha because of political considerations, although she was "promised" to somebody else already. This, of course, will not be accepted by Muslims. They have their own "version" of history.
child marriage is religious matter, not only tribal or cultural matter!
"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
You walked into that one..
Time for me to exit stage left :)
So you are saying it was revealed to Mohammed to say that he was sent as the messenger? Very clever. But where is the logic?
It's actually not true that a girl is sexually mature enough for sex and child birth when she reaches puberty. Some girls have their first period at ten, yet their bodies are in no way ready for childbirth. This causes HUGE and long lasting damage to the girl.
the issue in the thread is about child marriage and X-ray said that maybe they should learn by the Prophet teachings! So I reacted by saying that, how can we learn from HIM (the prophet)if He himself have a child bride? Just asking, not questioning! Get it?
"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
If I may respond to your Q to X-Ray,
Yes Prophet Muhammad (p&buh) was married (contract) to Aisha (r.a) mother of the believers when she was 9 or 11 but the marriage did not consummate till she reached the puberty age.
Further more if i may say (on your prophet), the prophet Muhammad (p&buh) is the messenger of Allah for all of us regardless of our faith and beliefs. As Allah says in his words (the Noble Quran)
[Best English interpretation of the meanings]
106 Verily, in this (the Quran) there is a plain Message for people who worship Allah [i.e, the true, real believers of Islamic Monotheism who act practically on the Quran and Sunnah-the legal ways of the Prophet (p&bu)]
107 And We have sent you (O Muhammad, p&buh) not but as a mercy for the Alamin* (mankind, jinn and all that exists)
From the Noble Quran Chapter No 21 Surat Al Anbiya (the prophets) verse/ayat no. 106 & 107
Of course it is the free will of all of us to follow the book, the teachings of the prophet (p&buh) fully or partly or not at all]
Allah knows the Best.
DMS: In the time of the profet (pbuh) the life expectation was very low so, the girls would marry pretty young, but nowadays it's no longer acceptable because now it's normal to survive until you are 70 y or more :)
Ayman
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
I'll try to be balanced. Different people mature at different ages, which poses a dilemma for the imposition of an ago of consent. Some people can make ill-informed decisions about sexual activity despite being in their 20s or beyond. Others can make informed decisions despite their youth, although these are the exception, not the rule.
So you could argue either way that kids come of age when their body comes of age, or that they come of age at 16/19/21 etc. Both arguments are flawed, although I prefer age based legislations as they are obviously simpler to enforce and regulate.
If we argue then that a girl is sexually mature at puberty for intercourse, why do her parents still get to dictate who she marries? The parents seem to be having it a bit both ways, saying on the one hand the girl is old enough to for a shag, but not old enough to make her own mind up.
Similarly, in many cases husbands feel they have the right to demand and receive sex whenever they want it, even if their wife does not. They feel their wife fulfills a role similar to that of a prostitute - someone who will provide sexual gratification on his terms, and not necessarily with her consent.
Again, how is it that husbands can tell themselves on the one hand that their 15 year old bride is old enough to be screwed all night long, but not old enough to say 'no'?
Well, about the argument that this is cultural: Is there anything in the religion that expliciitly prohibits marriage of minors? ANY religion that doesnt do that,IMHO, is giving mute consent to this atrocity. (Whether this happens in India, Saudi or timbuktu)reform is not passive.
While blaming cultures for what is wrong with practises followed by religious parties, isnt it only just to give credit to the same cultures for good practises in the religion? I mean, I see the argument that "if there's something bad, its cultural; if there's is something good , its indeed the religion that deserves praise" as an escapist kind of argument that shifts the focus and responsibilities elsewhere.
Culture is transient , but religion seems to be dictated by a fixed document. So why cant religion and religious figures correct wrong practises followed by the culture in the name of religion? I am yet to see that happening anywhere.
"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
at any age provided that sex will just come after puberty! That's how I understood the "tribal tradition" (because someone relates it to tradition rather than religious), is there a difference?
"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
Im not sure if the article means the judicary want to support the marriage of children or not?
Some children have their period early but they are in no way to be though of as adults.
Saudi will get a lot of grief as the west is pretty much agreed that the marriage of, and sex with people under 16 yrs is not moral and or criminal. The fact that they are 50 yrs older is just creepy.
After Googling and reading a few articles on the topic, my perception is that the child , after reaching puberty HAS the right to say NO..
The reality I'm afraid is usually that the father / guardian has taken some money and doesn't want to pay it back, or feels that a NO will be a slap in the face for his family..
The article seems to imply that the only condition that the old man has to respect when he married his child bride was that she hits puberty before he has his way with her.
Does she have the right to say no, or is this one of those awful cultures where men have the right to demand sex from their wife, and women have no right to deny it?
you should say that to X-ray. Look at his post! He was the first to comment.
And you, why are you bringing other nation to the thread. It talks about a particular nation, eh?
"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
Shit stirring on Thursday eh :)
that your Prophet married a 9-year old child? Is it true?
"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
Sickening like Pedophelia cases..(makes me puke!!!). Kind of relating the above practices on pedo cases. :)
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"Admit your mistakes...before someone exaggerates the story."
Agree with you there, but society has many ills which we need to address.
Whatever it is, it's sick!
A move in the right direction. The judiciary must uphold the rights of the minors.
As an aside, this is more a cultural and tribal practice , rather than religious. Young girls in Africa, Arabia, Indian subcontinent and even Europe are bethrothed / married off to much older husbands as a result of poverty.
i guess you are also right...
The education that says as long as he waits till she has her first period then it's ok?
its an endless problem... unless they get education given by our Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)