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By shoeaddict •
is it rude to correct co-workers if their grammar or pronunciation might give you a nervous breakdown?
to cut the story short,the guy im working for obviously doesnt want any correction to his perfect "english".
imagine my horror when he refused to believe the OXFORD dictionary when i showed him the word "scissors".he argued that in his country,everybody uses the word scissor and that the dictionary i showed him is WRONG and a FAKE!
or when he says "give me two piece",rather than 2 pieces.
is it cultural,congenital or chronic?
HELP...i need to teach them,,,or else i might try cutting all of them into piecesessessess!!!with a scissor!!!
Bleu, you are giving me a real inferiority complex!
Mandi
In my country people do.
alfa Q, Languages are like that:
Spanish is written exactly as it is said. It's also convenient that "and" and "or" are "y" and "o" (just single letters)
French writes more letters than the sounds that are pronounced,"Ils mangent" (they eat) is pronounced exactly like "Il Mange" (He eats). They also have 25 verb tenses
Arabic doesn't write everything that's pronounced (the same written word can have 3 or 4 meanings without the diacritics, but as a native speaker, and within its context you can know what it is)
In German, you don't write something like "Color Printer", it's written like "Colorprinter" (Farbdrucker).
They are confused.. This confusion is all because Uncle Sam and way English is across the Atlantic. If they had not distorted the English so much as we have today they would not be arguing with the Oxford Dictionary..lol
Anyway Heero got to agree with you for a change that you cannot correct a 45 year old Manager of Arabic Origin with a western passport..lol
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HE WHO DARES WINS
You write something but read something else in english. For example word 'you' should have been 'u'. People with knowledge of hindi & sanskrit will understand that in these languages we read exactly what we write.
Sorry for diverting the thread but are there other languages also which read exactly what they write?
we know what people mean. We must sound odd to them too, we use 'local speak' etc. I say things like minging and cheers and Dora used Bristols the other day (by the way, I howled laughing, ages since I heard that).
But come on be fair, they are trying their best at what is a very difficult language. We English speakers are not perfect, so why should other people be?
My thoughts are my own, but I doubt my Mum would agree with some of them.
Inglish iz a funi languaj, therz alwaiz meny waiz to write/right/rite a wurd.
nyahahahahah...NICE SAVE....lol
Both Oxford and M-W are wrong, it's spelt cizorz
thank you for asking if my grammar,spelling or pronunciation is perfect,i know mine isnt but Oxford is. in addition,im not perfect but i do aim for it.
Yeah ....Alpha Wolf & Dora....right.....thanks :)
The girl in your office is a Filipina.
Male = Filipino
Female = Filipina
Just in case you are wondering...
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"A Wise Man knows what he does not know!"
They are staples and one would ask.....Have you got any staples?
Well "a" staple would be one individual "wire". Since they come in a strip one might ask..."May I have some staples?"
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"A Wise Man knows what he does not know!"
Alpha_Wolf...so does one ask.... "Can I have a staple?"
It is called a "staple"
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"A Wise Man knows what he does not know!"
shoeaddict, one can only correct anothers grammar if one is sure that they too have correct grammar......yours isn't quite perfect, is it?
""How much cellphone do you have, I saw you using a different model everyday". .....
lol tatzkie, and he's got the nerve calling people stupid eh?..... hahaha indeed! :P
So are these Stapler "Pins" or "Wires"?
I used to say "Pins" and the Filipino girl in the office was adamant it was "Wires"....and not "Pins"....
I remembered my Indian colleague before when I was working in Dubai. He always brags about how Filipinos are so stupid. One time I heard him asking another colleague "How much cellphone do you have, I saw you using a different model everyday". Awwwwww! I sighed in disbelief upon hearing his remarks.
There are people like that who pretends to know all even if they don't. We should accept corrections because that is where we learn. Nobody's perfect huh! Even the brightest person can commit wrong grammar.
Most people don't like to be corrected so let then live like ignorants...
Laugh a lot with that and don't boder..really, forget it...you know you are right...
Have a nice evening without "scissors".
:))))
I used an incorrect Arabic plural the other day and was very grateful when my friend gently corrected me. I won't make that mistake again, although I will make many others!
Mandi
I agree. But let's give this person respect. They have not got it right, but they tried and they are proud. Shoe was/is trying to help so good for her/him.
Both are good people.
My thoughts are my own, but I doubt my Mum would agree with some of them.
Yes i beleive there must have been a pride issue. Pride being one of the many downfalls of humankind.
I agree but as I said before that may have been a knee jerk reaction or pride speaking.
My thoughts are my own, but I doubt my Mum would agree with some of them.
It's just when they start saying the oxford dictionary is wrong that there is a wee bit of an issue.
No it does not. Who cares. Anybody that speaks a second language in my mind is respected and if they make mistakes so bloody what.
Correct them if you think it will help but on the whole, we know what they mean and are trying to say, so just respect the fact they have taken the trouble to use English.
They are a far better person than me.
My thoughts are my own, but I doubt my Mum would agree with some of them.
Did you mean this extra "S" in " any differences::)))?
Intentional huh?
Salam
No
killjoy
:(
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
lol........
In the overall scheme of things, does it really make any differences ?
Perhaps shoeaddicts colleague can borrow some of the spare 'S's of months and clothes for his scissor and piece. lol
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
my personal gripe is making a word plural when it is singular.
But really I am not entitled to that gripe, I can only speak English. They at least try and so what if it is not perfect?
My thoughts are my own, but I doubt my Mum would agree with some of them.
Some pronounce it as in Montheses..:)) I make even worse pronunciation faux pas.
Salam
red rag to a bull for me is the common 'Clothes' pronounced as 'Clotheeeees'!!!
makes my teeth itch! lol
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
Tu parle francais aussie?
Salam
j'adore that the differences in all of us makes it all the more interesting and fun.
ah ok. thanks happy, another lesson learned in ql:-)
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"what to do yani?", in this context it means "what to do,huh?"
Salam
to be honest, would it change your life that much if he did start speaking the 'Queens English'. Even those of us that speak it make cock ups.
This person is trying and I admit if I was trying to speak Arabic and somebody corrected me, I would be grateful.
However, we are all different.
At least you are trying to help and that says you are nice enough to try and help, instead of laughing at him.
My thoughts are my own, but I doubt my Mum would agree with some of them.
happy, i think its arabic? my leb supv always say, "what to do yani?". what is yani, btw? :-)
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perhaps because of the proliferation of fake items, lol.. i remember one supervisor told one of my friends ( a gay) that his kind will not go to heaven. my friend asked, "says who?". "the bible", said my supervisor. to which my friend sassily countered, " check your bible, perhaps it is pirated" :-)
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In Turkish it means "New".
Salam
thank you for the advice...do i ask for the garden or pinking?lol...lang nila!!!
im not bothered by his way of saying it.what im bothered about is the smug way he said that the OXFORD dictionary is wrong and fake.and btw,i converse and understand their dialect too well.
shoeaddict, just ask for a pair of shears...:-)
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mo lang!
what to do yani? (is this the correct spelling? ekkkkk) :-)
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mo lang!
got one here and I still make mistakes lol.
My thoughts are my own, but I doubt my Mum would agree with some of them.
Dude, you need to tell this fool what's up. he obviously has waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much pride.
shoeaddict, if his less-than-perfect English bothers you, why don't the two of you converse in his native language?
You can click on edit for corrections. Or do you want me to bring you Oxford...lol
Salam
you workmate is a twat pure and simple to say that about oxford dictionary....
I use 'correct' English at work...
but outside i lapse into dialect
he your colleague want to be ignorant then thats his choice...
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My thoughts are my own, but I doubt my Mum would agree with some of them.
anybody that can speak a second language. I can't. I speak English and even then I make mistakes.
Just let it be. This person is trying. As the English Teacher said above, you speak in the correct way and they may follow.
I think they were embarrassed and their swipe at the Oxford dictionary was a knee jerk reation.
My thoughts are my own, but I doubt my Mum would agree with some of them.
im very tolerant in the way they butcher the english language,but that being said why did my co-worker say that the OXFORD dictionary is wrong and fake?
and use the words correctly regardless of what his reaction would be. Having taught English before, I sometimes have the habit of correcting people. However, I eased up and just continued using the correct words and sentence construction. I think the best way to teach English as a second language is to become an example yourself. Most people retaliate and rebel against direct instruction. Even if they know that they need help in speaking the language, they would rather go on with the incorrect usage rather than follow somebody correcting them on the spot. But, mind you, perhaps he's already using the correct words in front of his friends and colleagues when he's miles away from you. :)
I also agree with Maui. Increase your tolerance and just keep on with your manner of speaking the English language fluently. That way, you will become a good influence and a positive channel of instruction.
"Could you please hand me the pair of scissors that you have borrowed? I need to cut off these three pieces of loose threads. Don't give me the scissor. Otherwise, I'll just use a knife."
If he insists on borrowing your "scissor", then in a gentle manner, you may reply - "May I borrow your screw driver? I need to loosen the screw of my pair of scissors, so I could give you a scissor." :)
Just kidding!
Please carry on. We're both not native English speakers, ourselves, if I'm not mistaken, so we also need to understand others who are just starting to learn the language. We're just lucky that the medium of instruction in our schools back home is English. If not, we shall also be like them.
Let us share our luck as we teach by influence and not by imposition.
I used to be aggravated, now I quite enjoy hearing people butcher the English language. Plus I remind myself that I cannot even attempt to speak theirs.
screw the tolerance... teach them a little bit better english, do correct them. Make them take notes, and give them a monthly test. Inform them that they need a 90% to Pass. If not they get mauled by a polar bear in the desert and dragged back to town by a 6 door landcruiser.
just my suggestion
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increase your tolerance. you are in a multi-cultural, multi-lingual environment.
You gotta love them all when they mix up in one office and see how a company survived amidst all their "Englishes".
"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach
nobody's perfect,... if they don't want to be corrected, then just leave them be, it's their loss....
Mas mierda, pura mierda, que mierda, todo es una mierda, esa mierda,
Que mas mierdas quieres?
No jodas con tu mierda!
Vete al carajo con tu mierda!
Westerners will do a mental count of Hadji's inside any aircraft, at any airport, before take off...
Peter Russel
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.shoe, just let live and let live...
.you don't want to eat "scissor"
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thanks for the advice.though im scared that when i laugh he might SHOVE in my mouth the scissor,3 piece of thread and the OXFORD dictionary.lol