Saudi Pedophile to be beheaded

This guy is sick.....and behading is not the solution.

It is barbaric.......He should be put in prison perhaps for life!

Is that according to Shariah? Isn't that OVERKILL?

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

If what you guys have just said about Saudi police, although corrupt, always get the perpetrator within a short period of time, then that is great. Less financial burden on the country and the families of the victims can get closure. But what if they are just arresting anyone merely to close the case and maintain their reputation?

I can well believe that. The Statis and the KGB were pretty good as well....

The Saudis have one of the best "interior" police in the world. I recall talking to a US Colonel and he said pretty much the same thing. He said that the US actually learnt a lot from the Saudis in thsi respect.

They have a vast network of informants, plain clothes officers and "listening" mechanisms.

The Saudi's either have the worlds best police force or one of the most corrupt. When a serious crime is committed someone is arrested the very next day! It happens to regularly its really hard to believe sometimes....

Look back at the posts and guess who ?

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- A study Conducted by FriedUnicorn - Vol I (September,1999)

He should be beheaded an then his brain

should be taken to test ,like they tested MJ's brain

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There are good people in this world, and they are not ONLY Muslims, you know. Geez.(last comments by alexa when she left Qiving)

exiledsaint has a good point with regards to the innocence of some people convicted and executed. please don't get me wrong here, I agree with everyone that this crime should have a severe punishment. My point I want to make is that even in the western worlds with the most modern high tech methods of forensic investigations, mistakes have been made after a person convicted and executed. If one looks at the short period of time that was taken to investigate, arrest and convict him, there could be room for doubt..... (the suspected the kidnapper to be a male driver of a white four-wheel drive vehicle)this could describe at least half the population. (A 22 year old man from Saudi Arabia) they do not say what nationality the person is but if you have a line up of 7 similar looking males, it can be very easy to identify the wrong person... (arrested several weeks ago on behest of a seven year old boy whom he unsuccessfully tried to rape. The boy also identified him in court). A seven year old that was nearly raped will be very traumatised which can have an effect on their judgement. As an adult I was robbed at gunpoint, looked my assailant in the face and to this day cannot even begin to describe what he looked like except his skin colour and size. Unless this person had such a distinguishing birthmark, scar or other clearly noticeable feature, mistakes can be made.

And then, on the other hand, although beheading sounds and appears cruel and barbaric, if done correctly, it is one of the most painless and humane executions practiced. The hype and other elements of the actual execution itself, as britexpat said, may act as a major deterrent.

Good to see Gypsy back... She was missed ... :O)

Getting back to the topic, I do belive that severe punishment can act as a deterrent in the majority ..

actually, he should be crucified first, and shown to the public and later beheaded.

Well stealth in British prisons let say he would not be the most popular person, but maybe you are right in Saudi prison he would be seen as one of the normal people....

how would his sh*t get kicked in jail?

I'am surprised by your admission. Crime makes it way with or without punishments. If you need a solution to the crime;punishment is not the answer. Punishment is just a resultant.

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- A study Conducted by FriedUnicorn - Vol I (September,1999)

Rather than getting rid of pedophiles the US lets them out on any given day I can look up a map and see where they live around me and their name and what they look like its scary to think they can live anywhere and do it again, especially given the murder of a young child, the poor family will suffer thinking they were not able to protect him as well. So much more than one victim.

No execution, jail for life. Two reasons.

1. If he is found innocent in the future, and I severly doubt Saudi justice at least an innocent man is not killed.

2. In jail he will get the sh*t kicked out of him every day.

may god help theparents it makes parents scared to even let the their kids go to school

All his limbs and protuding body parts should be removed with surgical precision, plus...he should be blinded and tongue cut off...and then he should be kept in a cage in a public square so that he is an example to others!

TO BE IMPALED!

Crucifixtion ?..they are immitating Christ

He should be pumped with wood to death.

im lost for words...he's a very young monster...

"there are so many rumors about me...feel free to believe in any of'em.."

good for him!better to kill him very slowly and let him taste an unbearable pain. i want him suffer to the extent before they cut his head off!

I agree with FS---study his brain THEN cut his head off! :)

Now that's using your head!

... and bring on as many study and test results as they like, each mind works in a different way, twisted or not, and nobody will ever know how it works 100% - until robots rule!

... who admit that if they are let out they will do it again and again. They openly confess that it is a vicious cycle for them and that they will never recover from it. Most of them have not even been abused when they were little. What happened to many of them is that they envy the lifestyle certain other children had compared to their poor upbringing and parents neglecting them. They also know that they are cowards and can only take revenge on human beings who are smaller and therefore weaker then they are.

I agree with you olive, in principal, but in this case i really want him dead.

we need to find a way to stop this cycle, by studies of similar cases that doesn't involve murdering the victims, or even a complete rape act. we can find them if we look for them, if we encourage the families that have adults abusing infants to report them, if we can educate our children and protect them from strangers, if we can give our children love and care and tenderness so they don't seek for these feelings with others.

Yalla!

I've had quite a bit of experience working and even living with victims of child molestation & abuse and even worse I've seen the abused become the abuser, which is why I can't condone their deaths. I know what's happened to them to become the way they are, and while I don't like and would do everything in my power to stop them from committing the act again, I feel the same way about them as I do an abused dog that bites, they've been brutalized and abused to the point that they don't know right from wrong anymore, and especially in the case of men, becoming abusers themselves is the only way they know how to react to the rage and pain they feel inside. It's an endless cycle that is not stopped by the death of the abuser, since in order for them to die they must be caught committing the act, which means it's too late to stop the cycle. We need to know how to prevent it.

The victims of such crime will to live with the pain, shame, or even guilt for the rest of their lives. No amount of therapy will completely "cure" them. They make look on the outside but inside they still hurt.

While the perpetrators spend a few years in jail and then maybe get out. And may even resort back to their evil ways again.

Better to get rid of one bad fruit, than let it spoil the whole basket.

I believe in understanding and preventing future crime, but pedophilia is one crime I believe there cannot be a strict enough punishment. It is something that is just unforgivable and the victim will remain will never be the same.

I say lock them up and throw away the key. But honestly, if my child was the victim I would want the criminal dead. Even alive in jail the victim still knows they are out there and can remain haunted for the rest of their life.

I think there needs to be harsher punishments for most crimes, but at the same time there need to be major preventive measures taken to prevent criminal behavior.

not at all olive,

apologies if i sound like that

i'm just trying to make a closure to our conversation:S

obviously it was a lousy one!!!

no offense meant.

Yalla!

Wow. Is my opinion that offensive to you that you have to tell me to get out of the thread. I thought we we're just talking about the issue like civilized human beings. Didn't realize you guys were getting a posse together and heading down to Saudi Arabia to carry out the sentence yourself.

You are partially right. Having lived in Saudi, i can say that spending time in a Saudi jail or beheading can act as a major detterent.

olive,

says who? what law said they no longer deserve to be treated like you and i? the law said they must be punished and i believe we should follow the law.

otherwise, if you are against death sentence, then i think this thread is NOT the right place to dicuss this matter, start a new thread and say your opinion about death sentence, whether you are of the "let him suffer to death" party or the "it's inhuman, we r not GOD" party.

Here, this man is already dead, and nothing we can do about it.

Let him burn in Hell.

Yalla!

Sabrang the reason Saudi appears to have a lower crime rate is because they don't report their actual statistics and many violent crimes, especially rape, go unreported.

Phoenix, when a person has committed the crime they have they no longer deserve to be treated the same as you and me, however, we need to keep our morality as well. I'm not talking doing what the Nazi's did during the Holocaust or the Japenese during the Sino-Japanese wars, I'm talking psychological counseling, assessment and monitoring and blood tests.

I'd say, as Saudi is a sovereign country with their own sets of values and laws, let them take care of this case....

olive, using him as a lab rat is also inhuman, but applying the law is what everyone in a society agrees on, that's what makes a society.

Yalla!

So to conclude my discussion, I stick to my initial post... Chop his hands and legs off.... and let him die another day.......

I thought this depend on which point of view you subscribe to. Oh yes I've heard about those universal human rights etc, but the fact is currently it is not as 'universal' as some of us would like to believe.

Also, CMIIW, the heavy crime rate (mean murders etc) in Saudi is relatively low compared to contries of comparative size, so may be this deterrent works...?

I don't agree with the death penalty. I don't see the point in becoming murderers ourselves just to get rid of a murderer. There will always be things we can test him for. Hell, we can start using him to do drug tests. But killing him is not our job.

i remember my ma drilling the fact into my head during childhood NEVER to talk to strangers when i'm alone and NEVER to accept anything from them,even if it seems totally innocent.kids also need to made subtly aware of the dangers lurking in the alleyways.

Going to church no more makes you a Christian than standing in a garage makes you a car. ~ Garrison Keillor

60 years ago a mild cut could lead to gangrene and death. Open heart and brain surgery where unheard of and thought impossible. Diabetes was a death sentence.

In the 1960's Depression was considered a severe mental illness and men and women were institutionalized, as where children with physical disabilities. Even Downs Syndrome kids. Cancer was considered contagious.

My point is that if we don't keep studying them, we'll never figure out what causes it. Just because we haven't found the source yet doesn't mean we won't in another ten years or twenty.

Olive.... there were/are studies on all these criminals.... its not a disease which can be diagnosed and cured or can give some vaccine to prevent it...

Human mind is a subject which psychologist are trying to study for ages...maybe their causes can be analyzed but a solution is not possible unless and until he does the crime ...how do we know he is criminal?? So eradicating it is not practical….

So all the crimes should be given the maximum and humiliating punishment….and this monster deserves nothing less than death sentence.

Ok... he can be studied first and then beheaded? do you agree with that Olive??

Say that he has beed studied and tested.

And the experts all says no cure available and he will most likely re offend given the chance.

Then what ? Execute him or lock him up for live (rather expensive), castrate him or what ...?

He should have the mark of the beast branded on his foreheads:(

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Pedophilia has the highest recidivist rate and we saw interviews with pedophiles who were in prison who agreed that they should 'never' be let out because they knew they would do it again.

If all of that is true then the only way to protect children from them is to either lock the pedos up forever or execute them..

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Talk to my crown......

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Why is Saudi so barbaric ?

he should be sent to a mental institution.

Olive, I am not saying that...Whatever happened is happened..Done deal, you can not reverse the wheel. However,he doesn't deserve to live a normal life.... I concur with your statement of adopting a proactive approach in order to prevent it from recurrence. You mean to say that conducting studies will totally eliminate occurence of similar incidents and if yes, How effective will these studies / programmes would be when we we read numerous similar cases around the world on a regular basis or to what extent it can prevent? I am neither overruling the statement nor being cynical,I am afraid that the end result will have a minimal effect across the world... When you try to prevent one, another one evolve somewhereelse...

well it's the psychiatrics/psychologists role, i agree with you that most of people won't admit it, yet in a closed, confidential session, one would admit it to his/her therapist. besides, we can always find cases with less brutality, where no raping or murdering is involved, just attempting, and those are plenty i guess.

Yalla!

He needs to be studied and subjected to testing.

No No No!

He probably comes from a broken home or was mistreated / abused as a child. He needs our understanding and help.

How do you intend to find people having pedophilic urges before they commit the crime phoenix? Not exactly something most people would admit to.

Pedophiles deserve to die, get rid of a bad apple before they can infect anyone else.

it is proven that most pedophiles were victims themselves, therefore if you get rid of them initially there will be less victims and as a result less future pedophiles.

Pedophiles deserve to die, get rid of a bad apple before they can infect anyone else.

it is proven that most pedophiles were victims themselves, therefore if you get rid of them initially there will be less victims and as a result less future pedophiles.

olive,

you make me repeat myself, i said studying other cases, someone who's having pedophilic urges or feelings, but NOT a miserable murderer like this case, this one must set an example to others.

i just hope you'll have your own children, watching them growing up day by day, and then just imagine someone is abusing them, sexually, and then killing them with cold blood. OMG. can't even dare to think about it.

Yalla!

It's been proven time and time again svelte that the death penalty does not work as a deterrent against major crimes like murder, rape, child molesting, etc.

actually imposing a death penalty on such people is intended to be a deterrent of sorts,non?

Going to church no more makes you a Christian than standing in a garage makes you a car. ~ Garrison Keillor

So think about it phoenix, you're scared to death that it would happen to your children, wouldn't you feel better knowing scientists and psychologists were looking for ways to prevent this from happening rather than just killing people off who could provide the answers?

To me killing them off is like killing off sick people who contract a disease and not bothering to look for the cure.

Olive,

watch this movie "sympathy with lady vengeance" and then you'll undestand what i feel right now.

i was just fantisising this, no law at all would allow this to happen, but if it was for me, i would do it. i just hope God forbids this to happen to any family, it's a disaster, no word would discribe their feelings, i have children and i'm scared to death by the thought this happening to them because of the craziness we're having around us.

peace out.

Yalla!

livingqatar, you can kill as many pedophiles as you want, there will still be more. These people don't care or notice examples.

i guess we should be grateful that none of us are the victim or the criminal.Alhamdullilah

Pay peanuts & you get Monkeys

Beheading is too "soft" a punishment for this guy. A slow, painful, humiliating experience....in such a way that he would wish for death.

To leave a 3 year old to die of thirst in the desert...abusing kids....what is the justification for that? The only "cure" is make such an an example of this guy that others would not even dare to THINK of committing such an act.

All those poor kids...I weep for them.

Lion-King, Do you honestly think killing him will wipe those tears away? Their child is dead, killing him won't bring the child back. And frankly, if it was me I'd sleep better knowing that something was being done to prevent this from happening to other children, rather than the guy just killed and more pedophiles are still out their to harm kids.

Actually very few studies have been done. Because too many people think like you. Kill them and get it over with. There could be a cure, there could be a way to prevent these things happening, and if in order to do that this man has to become a guinea pig, I'm all for it. He's no use to us dead.

Phoenix, you contradict yourself. You say the fact that he was abused was no reason to abuse others, but then you say the parents should become murderers themselves by murdering him. So it's alright for them, but not for him?

Olive,I understand that part and I am not totally disregarding your comment.He has committed crime and does not deserve a peaceful/free life under any circumstances.These metally retartded people are like vultures in the sky seeking children to satisfy their sexual desire. Even if we make a step forward and conduct an indepth study into pedophilia, how many such incidents can be prevented? Just imagine the loss and agony of those parents who lost their kids... Children are precious...How far studies, identifying root cause(s) and cure can compensate for the loss to those families? Will it help to wipe the tears of woeful parents?

... I am saying the guy is a pedophile because he HAS ABUSED children. That's what makes him a pedophile. It is no excuse IF he was abused himself that he can do that to innocent children too. Whatever happened to him gives him no right to take it out on innocent children.

And you don't think that those kind of studies have been done already and continue being done? There is no cure, like there is no cure for many other problems. But let's not allow pedophiles to HIDE behind a curtain of *self-pity* because they have been abused too. They should have learned what pain and trauma the abuse caused them and therefore avoid it happening to others.

olive,

those are the theories of what might cause a pedo, yet nothing is confirmed, feeling the urge to molest a child is something to study, but raping and murdering is something else.

he should die, and slowly, and the parents of the deceased children should watch, or even should participate.

i can go farther than this too.

Yalla!

So wait, you're saying the guy is a pedophile because he was abused himself? So it's fair to kill him?

Alumnar not justify, PREVENT and possibly CURE.

NO WISEDUDE AND NOT FOR ANYONE ELSE BUT YOU!!! SICK!!!!!!

... and studies... DNA... to justify abuse against children? Sorry... not my cup of tea. Punishment in the worse way possible? YES PLEASE!!!

Olive,

it's phoenix2009 and not lion-king:)

i can easily list most common reasons for pedophilia, suppression, being abused during childhood, drugs, even certain brain trauma...etc, i mean lot of studies were done on this matter, yet, this act never was and will never be tolerated by society.

I say kill the bastard and study some other cases where children are slightly abused, which is enough to point a pedo.

Yalla!

huh!no his crime is not jut raping but also kidnapping & intending to do it again with no remorse or guilt whatsoever.

what do you mean leaving behind to die in the desert?the child wouldn't be there in the first place were it not 4 him!

Pay peanuts & you get Monkeys

that man sure deserves death penalty but like neyo1985 said,IMHO beheading is a tad too barbaric for the current day and age.

Going to church no more makes you a Christian than standing in a garage makes you a car. ~ Garrison Keillor

Beheading is not a good penalty, better they should switch to 'Hang', 'Electric Chair' or something related or just 'shot dead'

Whatever it is beheading is not an acceptable punishment for human being, it's kind of weird an animal behavior, that's how terrorists do! "Who cares about what your law says, act like a human because you live in 21st century not in B.C 500"

Wrong katcarrot. There would still be as many pedophiles.

I think it's a great system. If UK had the same punishments, there wouldn't be half as many pedophiles.

Actually that's not true at all Lion_king, pedophilia is one of the least studied mental illnesses. We no next to nothing about what causes it, if it can be cured, etc. Which is why I say study him. Do DNA tests, etc. Maybe there's a clue.

In my opinion, the hands and legs of all the pedophile around the world including him must be chopped off and let them live....beheading is a mild punishment to such a vicious act!

I can not write what I feel. I'm so furious!!

Olive, with all due respect, world have studied enough those cases and the only thing good for this kind of "creatures" is to be eliminated immediately, and having punished in public would be enough to make someone else think many times before attempting such a crime.

Yalla!

was he a 'Gay'? got to think about...

Get a life wisedude. Using LOL in a topic like this? Have you got kids?

Study him. Find out why he did it to see if you can prevent it from happening again.

Wisedude- whats so funny?

Dont kill him. Chop off just his willy and inject more testosterone and let him live.

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ANY pedophile, ANYWHERE in the world, NO MATTER what the circumstances, should die a slow, painful, humiliating DEATH!!!

(Good morning me and you, how are you today? :) xxx)

justice must be served regardless the nationalities and religion.

guilty should be punished.period

I wish the sick bastard a slow and painfull death......

Good for KSA

and yes Alumnar, in all over the world

OMG, i got my ears red by just reading this post, i would kill him myself.

I watched a korean movie titled "sympathy for lady vengeance" and it really made me feel what is to have one's child abused and killed.

Yalla!

i don't even wanna finish reading.. i've only gone as far as the first sentence.. i agree with Alumnar, this should apply to all.. people like these does not deserve a lighter sentence..

goodness....lots of weird news coming out everyday!where is this world heading to? :S

Going to church no more makes you a Christian than standing in a garage makes you a car. ~ Garrison Keillor

... that should be applied to ALL pedophiles in the WORLD!!!