Shambolic Asian Cup opening game!!

@ LIS,oh so this Isobel has been doing the jeckyll & hyde for a while eh?...didn't know that,explains a lot :)...

Lol Fatherted who said I was angry.. I was irritated with your stupid out of nowhere commentary but don't flatter yourself by thinking that you can make me angry ;)

for when you return under another ID, not for the first time i might add, do you remember the comment = 'I can tell the difference, the Irish always say shite, the Welsh have pointy heads and the BRITS want to steal your mobile phone'? you can answer when your back under an equally pathetic name.

LoL at all this! :)

@ Mods,fair enough.

:-)))

[Mod's note: No more Isobel on QL! Cool down or you're next!]

Fatherted,i wouldn't term your post racist but i would definitely say,is that really the best you could muster??? I don't think you're racist but i do know(if you're being honest in your posts which i assume you are) that you have a generalized cliched idea about Indians that i presume a lot of the older generation people from the UK might have simply because they just do not know any better...& that lack of exposure & complete ignorance on the issue is very obvious to see & that is what you & Isobel have in common...that lack of awareness of the people around you on the planet today & how race & nationality have become a secondary issue...we're a billion plus,there must be a good variety amongst us based on those numbers alone,don't you think?...It's not rocket science...

my goodness, hey guys, you should all meet in the irish bar and I bet you would all laugh about all this:)

I agree with the comments, I so much prefer attending a football game here rather than uk. Hubby disagrees, he misses the men v men at matches in uk, he misses the atmosphere, however, he took my boys to a game today and he was so glad that the boys absolutely had a fab time and totally safe at all times, but lacked a little atmosphere.

When moving here, we had no idea what to expect, and to be honest, we were a little apprehensive.

I have to say, we love being here and love the facilities, love the opportunities to attend high profile events for a fraction of the cost elsewhere, and the hospitality from the locals.

Expectations by some can be different and understandable, it would be so boring if we all thought the same.

Qatar are doing a great job, and so let it continue:)

First of all JJ I owe you an apology; by mistake I added you in on a post that was for Gaderene and I insulted you – so I do apologise for that.

Secondly to Gaderene, the day I apologise to you will be the day I ask you to bring your skates so you and I can go ice-skating in hell. In other words; hell will freeze over before I apologise to you!

This thread has got totally out of hand; thanks to Gaderene and Lost in Space; I am now referring to the latter as, Lost has space- in his head!

I made a throw away comment to swissmiss but IN MY MIND, a valid one.

I think Qatar is a very safe place to live. My kids and husband went to the game; they loved it and had no problems with anything.

Swissmiss complained about queuing and food running out.

So bloody what!?

I don’t mind anybody having a drink or getting drunk or being passionate about a football game. I have six brothers, three boys and a husband who are all passionate about football; so I know football and how heated it can get.

What they did not pick up on or I think they refused to see was this; watching a football game over here; even with a few gripes about food and queuing is safer than going to game in the UK; which by the way Lost, includes Wales and Ireland (yet to see you prove, I got that confused).

In short, all I was trying to say was this, would rather go to a game here and be safe then go to a game in the UK (including Wales, Scotland and Ireland) with the knowledge I am very safe against the thought of ‘this may kick off soon’.

I did prove to Lost and Gadernere; but unfortunately neither of them accepted that; as I proved my point and disproved them!

Oh please! Spare me the babble of your overly sensitive self! Boo hoo! I asked them to eat chapatis! How racist!!! Brits must be crying at night when told to drink more tea and crumpets by the yanks, lol!

no, say what you will, telling someone to go eat chapatis IS racist. I don't think there is anything negative about being Indian or any other nationality.

Two angry posters, both happen to be indian, I call them angry indians and that is racist? You are the one who is racist jasminejasmine, as you obviously feel there is something negative about labeling a person as an indian.

Pretty sure this AFC Asian Cup would me much more organised than the Common Wealth games (dis)organised by India. Let us hope Qatar would make WC a wonderful event.

petty arguing is one thing..outright racism is another. I for one find your comment offensive fatherted, in some parts of the world you would be facing criminal charges for that. If people want to argue, let them, as far as I can make out Isobel and Garadene are capable of fighting their own corners just fine. It's more entertaining reading their thread than going back to the tedious qatar bashing.

LOL at the angry indians in here, go eat some chapati or something!

Fatheted,FYI,the local health authority has a contract with a global verification company that verifies the credentials of ALL private practitioners in the country...as for you going to a qualified dentist,would that be back home? NHS or private practice? perhaps i can help,half my graduating class is practicing there,as is the case with more than half the practitioners in the UK,need a recommendation?...

Yes,there are fake qualifications that can be had from unheard of,unknown universities in India but you have displayed your ignorance here by assuming i'm one of them without knowing me or having met me...

I disagree with a lot that's posted here but i don't go around asking the MODS to ban the individual based on that diagreement,by doing so you're merely displaying your inability to deal with someone that has an opinion that's different from yours...

Fatherted I am not one to interfere between individual battles but what the fcuk is your problem???

Don't activate an old id to argue against a person, use your own id if you got some balls...

One reason I don't come in between gadarene & Isobel's arguments is that I know they can handle themselves but what the hell is your problem???

They are two adults arguing, let them be... Avoid this childish behaviour... And if you can't then write about me and not gadarene and I will give you the appropriate response....

Retard

FatherTed,it's called freedom of speech,perhaps you've heard of it?...don't like it,don't read it...not too hard now is it?!...

Sorry Gadarene, you will never catch me in your "practice" as I can afford a qualified dentist who is not parading around with some fake qualification he purchased for a few rupees. I see your stupidity in many threads on these forums and always ignored it as I want to read the threads, but now you are really beginning to do my head in.

Isobel,You ought to apologize because i said i had a fellowship NOT FRCS which incidentally is awarded to doctors NOT dentists or maxfac. surgeons,the dental equivalent used to be the FDSRCS which was updated to MFDS RCS...google & wikipedia doesn't always have all the info. you may require to act as an authority on things you have no clue about...

Furthermore,where have i said when i received the fellowship? or did you just assume i'm as old as you?! :)...

What courses Glasgow university offers is of no interest to me,we're discussing the Royal College of Surgeons at Glasgow here,slight difference...

It is called 'dentistry' in India which is where i graduated...

I don't need to prove squat to someone who has stated "stepping on people's toes & observing reactions!" as one of their interests...so basically you're a s*%t stirrer,nuff said...

I will answer you one last time as you seem to be having difficulty understanding yourself, never mind me.

Isobel

"So I will ask you to prove to me that there is no such thing as bad language, alcohol fuelled fights and there has NOT been stabbings either at the ground or near to the ground."

Point 1. Bad language - as i have said in my first post, you will always have bad language at the match, its called emotion, like i said try taking in a match and see for yourself.

Point 2. Alcohol fuelled fights - Believe me Isobel i have been to more matches than i can care to remember, and can count on one hand the amount of fights i have seen at the match. When i have seen a fight it is usually between two fans of the same club. Now if you are talking about the seventies and eighties here then that is a different story but im guessing you are talking about present day, so they are very few and far between.

Point 3. You ask me to prove that there are no stabbings at the match - Surely it is far easier to prove there was eh? or are you finding that difficult? telling me that there are stabbings in the streets has no bearing on the football match or the safety of the people who attend. Again if you had ever attended you would appreciate this.

In a nutshell, it is difficult to debate with someone who loses sight at the first post that does not agree with your views, maybe i should not have expected any more from a teacher who believes that N.Ireland and Wales are not part of Britain.

@ s_isale your source? Or just your opinion?

The outside company are generally Brits

Interesting tirade.

Erm... did most people miss the fact that swissmiss said that "The events are being organized by an outside company anyway - not the Qataris"? Decision makers want something implemented, it's the job of the implementee to carry it out. Well, anyway, this will be feedback for them build on. There's a lot of behind the scenes groundwork that needs to be done but I believe that Qatar will be ready by 2020.

Btw, I know Oryx and trust her judgment as she doesn't speak unless she's reasonably certain of something. And she's quite the expert on football. :0)

btw, you are a liar! Night love x

btw,it's maxillofacial surgeon not 'facial maxilla surgeon',you don't even know the name of the specialty let alone the types of fellowships/memberships awarded by the four colleges so please,don't get ahead yourself now! :)...

Before you make a bigger fool of yourself, this course was only introduced in 2004!

Think carefully before you post!

Night love. Take care x

So not FRCS then? Sorry, I do apologise, I thought you said FRCS!

Do you mean a BDS?

Was it Dentistry you studied or another course. I will give you a clue; it is not called Dentistry.

At Glasgow University they call it S*h**l *f *ife *ciences.

Does that help?

Just because you're a teacher but don't know what stream of consciousness writing means doesn't mean we're all sailing in the same unaware boat now does it?...

Isobel i hold an MFDS from the Royal College of Surgeons in Glasgow after having successfully completed a one year residency in Maxillofacial surgery @ a Royal College approved Maxillofacial unit in India & sucessfully passing the required exams,it is truly unbelievable how you shoot your mouth off about things you obviously have no clue about...please get your facts right before you post...

As for the "threat",let's say FatherTed were to come see me with a toothache,how would i know it's him or he know it's me for that matter? There are a good few dentists in this town with Royal College accreditation...

I understand that you completely hate me by now but that doesn't mean you make yourself appear so foolishly uninformed in the process.

As predicted by me many posts ago; idiots like this 'man' are always hoisted by their own petard!

I am loving this!

rolf so much...oh you have really showed yourself up now!

A Dentist only gets accreditation from the FRCS, if they are facial maxilla surgeon rofl if you are a Dentist that has qualifications from Glasgow you would have them from the FDS; the Royal College of Dentists rofl

Oh and by the way as you lie so much; can I just say; why on earth would a Dentist with such good qualifications ever threaten a 'potential' patient unless this highly qualified 'Dentist was sussed! rofl

Love you, you make my day lol

hello FatherTed,have we met? you seem to know me pretty well,travel plans & all! :)...if you had a little observation,you'd have noted the time of the day that i'm usually on this forum...

I'm a dentist by profession & you better bloody well pray you're never in my chair with a toothache!...

As for travelling to the UK,i have a fellowship from the Royal College of Surgeons in Glasgow & visit the UK often enough to visit family or attend conferences...

So quit being a nosy little twat & go to bed,isn't it way past your bedtime?...

Isobel-

I don't know why you bother arguing with this gadarene character, clearly he has a few screws missing, and considering the amount of time he spends writing essays on this forum he pretty much lacks a life too. I doubt he leaves the house much let alone travel all the way to England.

You obviously do not like me at all. This is fine, honestly, it does not bother me one bit. In fact the more we interact; I am pleased that you dislike me as you seem a very unlikable person.

If you like, I can start showing you 'glaringly obvious contradictions' of your own.

I could also post some very racist comments you have made.

Just to clarify though, I said:

Go to England for a football game; then you will say, how bad the language was, how drunk the fans were; did not expect to see a stabbing etc, etc.

You are basing your experience on what?

Qatar does it best and they do well.

It is not perfect; however I would rather queue for food and have a wrong seat than listen to some morons in some stadiums in other countries.

AND THEN THIS:

swissmiss was complaining about the matches over here. My point was; go to England and see what is can be like there. It is not perfect here but I happen to think it is far safer and a much nicer family experience IMHO.

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You and Lost both asked me to prove my point and I did; however as always- that was not good enough for you! I then asked him to prove me wrong. I do not see you badgering him to do so, as you did me!

How many football matches have you been to in England Gaderene?

I have been to quite a few and I have been there when it has been peaceful and when some drunken yobs have kicked off. The point I was making was this; Qatar is a safe country, you know THERE will be no trouble so why moan about queuing etc?

As I have said before; if you do not like what I put fine, but by your constant mindless accusations and baseless insults all you do is prove to ME, that in spite of your wonderful education, you lack the ability to READ what somebody has put in it's true form and see the real meaning behind it. I have as much right if NOT a bigger right to comment on events in the UK as you.

So in short Gadenere, when YOU prove to me that I am wrong in my statement, then and only then can you criticise me for what I put.

"Go to England for a football game; then you will say, how bad the language was, how drunk the fans were; did not expect to see a stabbing etc, etc."

"Yes, the vast majority of times in the UK going to a game is peaceful and there is no fighting."

Is it just me Isobel or is there(in what is becoming an obvious pattern with you) a HUGE contradiction in your above two statements?! can you blame people for seeing & pointing out these glaringly obvious contradictions???...

No, I stand by what I say.

I have tried to prove my point and you did not like that.

So I will ask you to prove to me that there is no such thing as bad language, alcohol fuelled fights and there has NOT been stabbings either at the ground or near to the ground.

swissmiss was complaining about the matches over here. My point was; go to England and see what is can be like there. It is not perfect here but I happen to think it is far safer and a much nicer family experience IMHO.

I believe the Uk is not England, it is the United Kingdom. And i believe that your not Irish, what is your point?

How many tickets were given away free where as genuine supporters could not get a ticket to buy at the gate.

LIS England is not the whole world and I believe you are not an American ;)

so your now saying that your comment "Go to England for a football game; then you will say, how bad the language was, how drunk the fans were; did not expect to see a stabbing etc, etc."Is bollox then? and agian i will ask at which games have there been stabbings? dont cut and paste crap about fighting and stabbings in the streets because it has no bearing on what you have said.

Why do you presume I have never been to a football match?

I have no problems at all with people having a beer at a football match or anywhere else for that matter.

Yes, the vast majority of times in the UK going to a game is peaceful and there is no fighting.

However, sometimes there is fighting and there have been stabbings. And no, if somebody got stabbed in a nighclub I would not call them a football fan. I don't call the mindless idiots who CAN and DO cause trouble at matches 'fans' either!

As i said, you should maybe try and attend a match before making such comments, people stabbed in the street after a game huh? which street? were they football fans? i suppose if someone gets stabbed in a night club they must be football fans also eh? Uk stadiums are safe environments and i have regulary taken my kids to watch the match without fear of them being stabbed of fallen on by the THOUSANDS of drunken foul mouthed yobs! and believe me Isobel if people here were allowed to speak their mind without fear of reprisal then you would see alot more swearing at football matches in Qatar, at the people who believe that they can sit wherever they like! but i guess you have not encountered that either eh?

s-isale, alcohol producers are some of the biggest sponsors in world football - but the reason it is mentioned is because going to football matches in the Uk and having a few beers go hand in hand, you may not agree with it but thats just the way it is.

Raven if you look at the few topics that have come up related to football, you here a constant refrain of booze in relation to watching the game. This was what I was asking.

gadarene - in India do they allow you to take booze into the stadium?

Isobel,so you consider me educated?! I'm proudly Indian & a product of the Indian education system from schooling right through to university,are you sure you consider that an "education"?!...if so,then wonders never cease is all i can say! :)...

Good to see you're not letting your education get in the way of your ignorance :-)

jasmine jasmine,might have something to do with the fact that intelligent debate requires people to think before they speak/post eh?! picking to pieces what people say happens AFTER they've said it! *wink*!...

I can understand some people feeling a bit grieved at what has been said. Maybe if somebody had a poke at your culture, sport or something closer to you, you would also feel the need to say something.

Maybe it is actually you being so self righteous as the unaffected outsider?

People have way too much time on their hands here, intelligent debate doesn't require people to pick exactly what people say to pieces. It is obvious what Isobel was saying, she doesn't have to qualify it. Self righteousness is so boring.

all because a few yobs drink and become problematic, don't label all the football fans the same.

However, in defence of s_isale, he/she did say 'some', however, in the context you describe, these people would then be classed as Alcoholics if their "whole live revolve around booze".

@ s_isale.....what topic are you reading? Show us where people are obsessed with booze. You seem to be the only one bringing the topic up on a consistant basis. Do you have a problem with fans wanting to have a few drinks post and pre match? No one condones drunkish yobbish behaviour but most of us can have a few pints, watch the game and have a few more without bothering anyone.

there are some who are obsesses only with booze and nothing else. Looks like their whole lives revolve around booze only.

now now Isobel,is that any way for a propah British lady to be talking?! :) So what you're saying is, you tried it,realized it didn't work but still posted it anyways?...erm,speaking of idiots! :)...come on now,i've told you,point proven,you win,i lose...don't you have a dinner to host or something? *wink*!...take it easy! :)

mmmmmmmmm

I did bloody try it, you bloody idiot!

I know I am crap at posting links, already admitted that!

The link is to the WHOLE post NOT to a specific comment,if you had actually tried it before posting you'd have realized that...so much for genius...

Yes there WERE(was singular,were plural) stabbings at football games in England,you have proved your point(albeit from an open online source,so much for credibility.)...

Point proven,you win,i lose,fair enough?...

You are one sad, angry and unhappy person!

I do wish you well.

The link may have not worked but it would not have taken a genius to copy that into a browser.

If that was too much for you, I apologise. Perhaps the fact I proved something was to much for you!

YOU asked me to prove there was stabbings at football games in England!

I did it; if you can't handle the truth, that's your problem not mine.

Isobel,speaking of half-wits,how hard can it be to cut & paste a link properly???...That's twice you've got that wrong now...

Ok,the AFC Asian Cup currently being held is THE most well organized football tournament EVER,happy?..."Qatar does it best & they do well" haven't the faintest what that even means but i'm just quoting you...no alcohol,no bad language & most importantly,no stabbings! you've found your little slice of footballing heaven! well done,good luck & enjoy it!...

btw,hasn't anyone ever told you that quoting from an online source that ANYONE can upload onto & edit isn't exactly the most reliable?...i guess not...

I did prove it; however you can't stand the fact I did.

Gaderene- I don't think you are a fool, but what's my opinion compared to that of hundreds of others.

...btw,you haven't yet answered a question lostinspace asked you,about precisely where,or rather at which game you witnessed these stabbings?...

p.l.u.r

Read more: http://www.qatarliving.com/node/1547498#comment-1745541#ixzz1AfI2GgOs

Oh yes you did!

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...btw,you haven't yet answered a question lostinspace asked you,about precisely where,or rather at which game you witnessed these stabbings?...

p.l.u.r

You asked me to prove there were stabbings, I did and still this does not satisfy you lol

When are you going to give up?

Gadernere; A half-wit gave you a piece of his mind, and you appear to have held on to it!

Isobel,a) i didn't ask the question,lostinspace did so FYI ought to be addressed to him not me...

b) he asked where YOU HAVE SEEN stabbings at a game,NOT a cut & paste,from wikipedia no less,THE authoritative source of information on the internet that can be posted/edited by any Tom Dick & Harry,very reliable source that is!...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_hooliganism

It is a long read; so I just pasted the relevant bits.

After some 20 years of relatively good behaviour among English football fans in general, extreme scenes of hooliganism made a comeback at Upton Park on 25 August 2009, when at the Football League Cup second round tie between London rivals West Ham United and Millwall the pitch was invaded several times during the game and rioting in the streets came afterwards, with one incident resulting in a man suffering stab wounds.[3]

There were minor disturbances during and after England's 4-1 defeat to Germany during the 2010 FIFA World Cup. A German flag was burned down amongst a mob of English supporters in Leicester Square in England, as well as damage to a Haagen Daz restaurant within the vicinity. One German fan amongst the crowd was confronted by the mob, but there were no injuries.[117]

A significant number of convicted football hooligans are known to be members of far-right organisations including the National Front, British National Party and English Defence League.[118]

On 1 December 2010, supporters of rival West Midlands clubs Aston Villa and Birmingham City clashed at St Andrew's stadium after a Football League Cup tie, which resulted in 14 people being injured - less than 24 hours before England's bid to host the 2018 World Cup failed.[119]Missiles were hurled onto the pitch, a rocket flare was released in the stands, and there were also scuffles in nearby streets. By this stage, football hooliganism was rising dramatically, with 103 incidents of hooliganism involving under 19's in the 2009-10 season compared to 38 the season before. Cass Pennant, a former football hooligan, said that the rise in football hooliganism was the result of rising unemployment, poverty, and social discontent in the aftermath of the recent recession.[120]

Isobel, no you needn't smile, nod & agree with everything,take a look at my posts for proof!...HOWEVER,as on any online forum,ignorance(i should add racism with you but that's on a different post) & comments based on that ignorance will not be met with kindly,as you may have realized by now...btw,you haven't yet answered a question lostinspace asked you,about precisely where,or rather at which game you witnessed these stabbings?...

I was NOT venomous to you. I was to my stalker though!

I did not go to the match, my husband and kids did and they had a great time and yes there was some waiting around to get in and for food. That is everywhere.

I am not sticking up for Qatar because I am gathering brownie points; Qatar gets kicked enough, so when something goes right, it is nice to praise them.

Africa does hold sporting events; lots of them and do them well; Rugby for one.

I don't support Millwall, I support my home team and actually England does have a reputation of bad behaviour amongst some of its so called 'fans'.

Swissmiss; if I offended you in any way by joining in with the debate and offering another slant, then I apologise. Beginning to learn all you have to do on here is just; smile, nod and agree with everything.

JJ glad we are in agreement on this.

tell me where you have seen stabbings at an English football match? and your always going to get swearing at the match, the same as you will always get fans who have had a drink, its the culture Isobel. Atmosphere in the premier league grounds on match day is the envy of every other country in the world, you should try and catch one sometime!

well said Raven1968,

people who came to watch the national day parade know about this, What is the use of parading on two different road, traditional boat sailing, fighter jets flying over head... all at one time. Ahhhh... Such a crappy plan.

And you will not allow the people to go near any of the road except they are skinned white or with a woman.

An event success is not by publicity or how much its cost, but how it served the purpose.

i wouldnt blame the qatari people for such incidents, been here since 2003, and its always some "overpaid" twats who heads, and DISorganizes everything, Qataris simply pay them to do so. will not even blame the volunteers, they work fro free......

The mismanagement is compounded by suck up expats who think they'll earn brownie points by blindly supporting their "host nation" on an online forum irrespective of how rubbish the host nations organizational skills are...

I thought Brazil-Argentina was a mismanaged event so glad I missed this one if it was worse than that :o)

Its not hard to organise something to prevent diaster, but to organise something that is efficient, effective, and smooth running takes skill, something the Qatar authorities have'nt yet come to grips with.

I agree, please do not mis represent, then you will not have to suffer the tedium to defend.

Fine but I take great offence to being called small minded. That is extremely insulting. It is not extreme to suggest that surely a "shambles" "badly organised security" etc would suggest a risk to public safety. It is therefore not unreasonable to comment that the lack of disaster must mean that either the organisers are very and repeatedly lucky or that they do actually have some sort of strategic planning to prevent disaster.

Isobel was not ranting, she was simply stating a fact.

Enough now, it is tedious to the extreme to have to defend oneself for joining in this ridiculous conversation in the first place.

i was at liverpool vs sunderland recently......no stabbings???

and i kept asking where kewell was so i was being a complete twat.

You misunderstand, I do not recall asking you any question, no need for you to cause the trouble and stirring it.

I asked Isobel, who had a rant over UK matches the question, she make it sound normal as if stabbing every game. There is not a stabbing all the time.

Please do not be aggressive or insulting. You are a bit too extreme in your summation, of course no deaths or injuries (we would see them in papers next day) the point is to help prevent next time by high lighting the short comings.

As I said (repeat) After getting through that (first security), there was no problem and the atmosphere was good, singing, Mexican waves well organised, what you would expect really.

Yes but at least the aggressive people used to be articulate and never outright insulting. (who remembers the religious cat fights of 2006?)

I miss Jauntie/Gypsy/Da/R7/dweller and the rest of the interesting friends I have made n the last 5 years. I hardly use QL anymore as I now have a full time job and a social life and also because it is rubbish these days most of the time. I even used to like the trolls, at least they were fun!

jasmine, there have always been some aggressive people on QL. They come and go...and then come again...;)

Isobel must be a Millwall supporter!!

Bunnyhug, you wrote

"Isobel, ...You greatly exaggerate, I been to lots of UK matches, never seen a stabbing - have you?"

I replied to the question you asked.Who is labelling a nation? Just answering the question YOU asked!!!!!!!

What has happened to QL? Why are you people so aggressive?

one incident in 1999 ............ and we label a Natiuon.

Very small minded.

But lets not go there, the incidents elsewhere, much more frequent, if not reported!!!

jasminejasmine dont be so extreme just because there are no acidents and deaths doesn't mean it isn't disorganised...sheesh!!!

Also, if the underlying organisation was so poor, surely there would be regular injuries/accidents/deaths/security breaches? I am not saying that the queue system is not frustrating, it is, it drives me mad when I get shoved about and pushed by people. If I were in charge I would have the Police arrest pushers and lock them up!

I look at it like this. I live here, take the tax free salary, big house, no bills, no petrol bills etc etc. I feel warmly towards Qatar, it is my home. I love the fact that Qatar is a small country undergoing unprecedented change and I am glad to be a part of it and want to support them. I attended the opening of the Asian Games in 2006, the opening of the Asian Cup in 2011 and in between have been able to see international football and tennis for practically free.

I can honestly say that if I didn't feel some love and loyalty to this place I would leave. And actually, I did see someone get slashed with a broken bottle in Fulham in 1999, the guy died later in hospital.

jasminejasmine its got nothing to do with been busy, of course it will be busy, but Qatar is disorganised at such events, they simply don't learn from event to event..

I have been to big sporting events all over the place, England, Australia, Brazil, Mexico....

Just telling you my experience...

Bunnyhug/Jasmine totally agree

You greatly exaggerate, I been to lots of UK matches, never seen a stabbing - have you?

But me to went last night, yes, first check point was a shambles, but more due to crowd pushing and no queue mentality and they seem to like to rub up against each others bodies for some reason.

After getting through that, there was no problem and the atmosphere was good, singing, Mexican waves well organised, what you would expect really.

Isobel, we may not always agree but I have to say I AGREE with you 100%. Good for you for defending Qatar. I agree that when going to any opening ceremony/game you will surely expect it to be busy.

depends on what your definition of well organised is, if this is the way they are going to organise the WC then its going to be chaos, and the most boring WC of all time...

Yes, it lacked Swiss efficiency and British hooliganism, but was pretty well organised nonetheless.

Was I somewhere else?

I had a ticket for gate 2.

Waited a couple of minutes at security...walked to my gate and the staff showed us to our seat.

It was smoothe.....

this cracks me up....Qatar have told us that they have this great football culture, yet according to the posts the atmos was flat...It was flat for the opening game where the home team was playing, that is appaling....11 years will not be enough to get this place sorted for the WC, they just dont learn any lessons from previous events. My experince of attending loads of EPL games in the UK is you are in and out within minutes, great atmos with fans singing, good crowd control, great facilities..etc...get your act together Qatar the world is watching!

@ Isobel,"Africa should have done better than Qatar as they have done it loads of times."???...to the best of my knowledge,South Africa hosted the VERY FIRST World Cup on the continent in 2010,unless of course you know something we don't?...please,do enlighten us...

rly sucks :S

It sucked bad. took hours to get seated... organization was laughable at best.

Got into the stadium very easily and staff showed me to my seat. I thanked them too for being so efficient..

Fireworks etc were great....

Goodness me - whats your excuse for being up so late and being so venomous?? It looks like it might be a case of the pot calling the kettle black when it comes to nastiness hey? Ah well at least its keeping me entertained while I wait for a poorly child to fall asleep....

I'm not blaming Qatar for the lack of atmosphere - the fan zones should be right at the stadiums for maximum effect. I'm certainly not taking the mick out of Qatar - love it here, been here for 4 years and have no intention of leaving soon. I was just making a comparison to other games we have attended. I watched the opening ceremony on the TV and just wish we hadn't been messed around so much so that we missed it - just as loads of other people must have. The events are being organized by an outside company anyway - not the Qataris - my son is one of the team escorts and my husband is one of the accompanying adults and we were talking to the people, all foreigners, when we were picking up their uniforms and security tags. I think they work for the Olympic committee not Qatar.

What are you trying to say?

When will you realise your grammar, punctuation, spelling, semantics and insults don't make sense at all.

You try and insult/defame/slander me, but I would say 99% of the time I don't get (nor anybody else) what you are trying to say.

Simply put Bond, your insults go whoosh, right over my head as your English is so poor.

You have even forgotten why you hate me.

You are just a nasty person who has decided that I am the one you will pick on.

Sad to say darling; you have picked on the wrong woman as I will win all the time! I make sense and you don't.

When you recollect your peace of mind, revisit it all again, you'll know how idiot U've been oflate....including proof reading urself... :)-

You follow me all the time. I am flattered.

>>> My view:She is really getting brain cells not only dead beat but venomous too.

What does that mean?

You need to check this website out.

www.stopbeingatwatbecacauseyoumakeadickofyourself.com

Ohh My ..... isobel...you've started here too?????

You sure need some medical help....

check, the first reply itself was obnoxious enough….. No doubt, it turns to a battle field..

My view:She is really getting brain cells not only dead beat but venomous too.

nice topic swissmiss :)

what about doing that in geneve :P

Is Qatar as a country to be blamed for the lack of atmosphere?

I thought that was up to the people that went to the game.

Good for Africa for having more atmosphere; very happy about that!

Africa should have done better than Qatar as they have done it loads of times. Qatar is new to hosting; and to be honest as a new country hosting events, they do OK.

Of course the security was tight, this is Qatar. They ignore crap driving, breaking the law by locals but they are very strict at these events, let's face it, over here there is no threat so they star.

Your kids must have been to a different kiosk from ours love, cause there wasn't any food to be had at the one we went to. We did eat before we went luckily - its not about the food anyway, compared to the Brazil game, the atmosphere tonight was just flat and disappointing really. They need to put the fan zones right outside the stadium so its fun for the fans no? As for what I'm basing my experience on...I have been to many games in the UK and I have never seen anyone overly drunk or get stabbed in front of me, and as for bad language the fans are usually too busy singing and chanting and supporting their teams... At the world cup final in South Africa this year, it took us 2 minutes to get into the stadium and there were 100 000 fans there.

We got there early and the traffic wasn't bad, parking was easy it was just silly to have two security check points to get into the stadium with only one entrance.

have just come home and said how great it was!

I fed mine before they went as I suspected queues for food would be long.

They got their early as they knew traffic would be bad.

You sound so disappointed and yet why?

Go to England for a football game; then you will say, how bad the language was, how drunk the fans were; did not expect to see a stabbing etc, etc.

You are basing your experience on what?

Qatar does it best and they do well.

It is not perfect; however I would rather queue for food and have a wrong seat than listen to some morons in some stadiums in other countries.

Stop moaning love, you may not have got the seat you paid for, but you got a seat.

And to be honest how expensive was the food? My kids and husband told me it was a couple of quid.

Don’t be ungrateful,