Suicide Bombers
Like many people before I moved to Qatar
I avoided the news like the plague. Now
I read the papers for local info and of course have to read, at the very least,
the headlines. Seeing so many reports of
suicide bombers has made me wonder why a person would resort to such extremism,
and express this in such a violent act of terrorism. I don’t think I could. I know I condemn acts of violence, the
majority do, but still there are those out there willing to sacrifice
themselves for their cause. Perhaps
condemnation isn’t any where near enough.
We need to have reasons so strong that no rational, moral person would
contemplate acts of terror.
I agree with you pm! surprise surprise!
however I disagree that we will ever be able to stop all muslims from thinking that suicide bombing is unwise or some jihaadis are going about it the wrong way. Neither do I think other nations will cease to dominant and stall progress in the muslim ummah.
The only thing we can do as muslims is get a group of us together who are upon righteousness.. by using the Quran and Sunnah as our guide! And try to stop and speak against these sects, groups and people who perform such wrong actions. By having taqwa or striving in this life through hardships that are inevitable!
If we can't first stop it with our hand then stop it with our voice.. and if we still can't stop it then stop it with our heart!
Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi
But what is war? and when are people at war? is it only right if a nation state formally declares war on another nation state (in writing) and they agree to go to war?
I personally think that though the Geneva convention's intentions were honorable, they are nothing more than an attempt to disguise the uglyness that is war. It is not a civilized "sport" to engage in when nations are at a dispute....any attempt to codify it is risking trivializing the atrocity that is war. If you kill your neighbour to steal his home, then its a crime....but if you are in the army and your country declares war on your neighbour to annex territory, then its ok to murder because "you are at war"?
I'm sorry, but that just strikes me as incredibly callous and evil...not to mention seriously warped....its not right under ANY circumstances to take another human beings life...and that is my frevrent belief...but I COULD see myself doing it under ONE circumstance only....and that is if the life of my wife or child were threatened and it was the ONLY way to save them.....even then I probably would be haunted by the fell deed for the rest of my life.
Again please understand that I am not trying to justify what others do (for MANY reasons), but i'm saying I can understand why they do it....now as others pointed out, if the root causes can be eliminated, then maybe our children can grow up in a world with less bloodshed!
Stay safe all.
Perfection does not exist. The question therefore, is: what level of imperfection are we willing to settle for?
Yes, wouldn't you agree that the key to rooting out the problem is by first acknowledging its causes! The first step to recovery!
And then curing the mental anguish within those societies!
that was the point of my post.. not to justify suicide bombings as okay!
Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi
I think suicide bombing is a reflection of the mental state of the people in the middle east due to oppressive invaders and regimes!
Suicide bombing isn't right! If we look at who these people are then we may learn that perhaps their family has been bulldozed over.. children kill in front of their eyes which is enough to make any man/women crazy with grief and seek revenge! I once knew a palestinian who was the last living member of his family and extended family!
Another aspect we have to remember that although some muslims are misguided there are some muslims who feel the pain of their brethryn and perhaps mixed with their own mental disability will resort to the suicide bombings many of you have spoke of.
Other suicide bombers do it as an offensive threat! And these are the type who do not target innocent men, women and children. However they justify themselves whether it is due to nationalism, religion, or a psycho mentality does not give them any valid excuses.
When we think of it this way.. and clearly show that this is not part of the religion and rehabilitate these muslims by catering to the disease in their hearts and minds then perhaps we can have a strong grip of the situation.
Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi
Ragnarock - just wanted to point out that there is a difference between what the Spartans and Kamikaze pilots did compared to suicide bombers - they were at war, and not killing innocent civilians. Just wanted to point that out.
I think anyone who tries to justify killing in the name of religion or any other 'cause' is seriously deluded.
Dear Mr.Smoke
just I want to know who told you that there are 72 virgins, why not 73 or 80 .
always non Muslim use this point to deform the Islam and Muslims but nothing will deform Islam and make Muslims change they believes so keep trying we never mind coz u are not the first and also not the last one tries to hurt Islam and hurt Muslims , for your information all Muslim including insubordinates defund Allah, Islam, Mohammed, Quran and all our believed by our souls .i am one of more than one billion Muslim love Allah , Islam and Mohammed more than myself, my parents, my wife ,and my daughter 4 yrs and son 3 months , can u imagine that can u imagine what would u do if anyone try to hurt your child any Muslim will do the same thing and more if anyone try to say just say anything about our belief.
Finally , for your information there is only one virgin in haven for Muslim and she is the wife .
If anyone want to know anything about Islam, please ask me our search the net before write anything will make a lot of people to be annoyed which is not good for any one.
you say: "Picture yourself going back home one day and finding your house bombarded flat by missles with family members laying beneath, wouldnt that inflict rage? live that moment for atleast a second, and see feel what those people feel."...
Just a small correction…
...the house get “bombarded” AFTER the family member committed suicide, not BEFORE. So "you" cannot come back home one day and find your house bombarded.. because YOU ARE DEAD already…
..your Cause-and-Effect Relationship is broken here. First you commit suicide bombing, dragging to heaven another dozen of souls (BTW, VERY often including muslims as well, which is absolutely nonsense!! ) along with you, and after that your house has been bombarded.. NOT otherwise.
If you are questioning motives for suicide then I would google
Durkheim's theory of suicide. He terms this 'altruistic suicide'.
Here is the wikipedia link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89mile_Durkheim
I guess the whole point is that we justify some wars and acts of violence, in the guise of being for the greater good, whilst we condemn others as nothing more than murder. While the whole world was singing free Nelson Mandela had we chosen to overlook or to justify the violence and loss of life perpertrated by the ANC? I am sure that acts considered heroic during any of the 'justified' (I use this term loosely) WWI & WWII may have been little more than suicide missions. The British government now has dialogue with the IRA. I know its not a new phenomenom, the ability it has to cause death and damage is greater though. We've found such abhorrent uses for marbles, nails and explosives.
I am so very lucky that I haven't had to choose between humanity or an individual human life, I haven't had to tolerate a regime so abhorrent that others have resorted to acts of bloody violence. Its not quite the same thing though is it? These people have access to legal protests, to world wide media, to state their case in a non violent way and to have every hope that they will be heard. This violence isn't an act of the last resort, its a choice over ways I would consider to be more effective, more rational, more moral.
These are crucial times
Each soul is needed in its rightful place
what ever anyone says,... the point still is that there will never be a solution if we humans dont stop this religious, political and racial hatred we have for each other. you are all writing your opinions now... ask yourself what can you do to help... i think we can start the change today but loving our neighours as we love ourselves..
I condemn such an act but these people are lost their mind. otherwise they will think straight, be strong and move on with life.
Everybody is right and Everybody is wrong, its depend where you stand
well i have not heard the news today, but i still think it it wrong. this is my opinion.
have u ever heard of an unsuccessful suicide bomber...?? ha ha ha
Id condemn any act of terror, any act of terror.
Suicide bombers, yes they do inflict terror, but dont you think its slighly bias to have the media concentrate about them shaking their heads in disbelief, where as always praising the warriors on their rocket ships? dont those rocket ships produce acts of terror as well?
Picture yourself going back home one day and finding your house bombarded flat by missles with family members laying beneath, wouldnt that inflict rage? live that moment for atleast a second, and see feel what those people feel.
Patrik Henry stated his famous quote: "give me liberty, or give me death", yet i dont recall anyone calling him a "terrorist"
This could go on for ages, but to sum things up;
Theres always two sides to the story. hopefully everyone takes the time going through both prior to reaching his/her conclusion.
Just a thought..
There are examples of brave people, because they were facing overwhelming odds chose suicide attacks, but they were not while the enemy was alseep.....like Japanese pilots in WW2, the 300 Spartans at Thermopylae, etc...
I'm not saying I endorse the tactic necessarily, but I can understand when some people think its a last resort.....but let me say it VERY different from the bombers in the news today!
Stay safe all.
Perfection does not exist. The question therefore, is: what level of imperfection are we willing to settle for?
I think suicide bombing is sick.. if you have to fight. stand up and do it like men or women!!!!!!!, not go kill people that are not aware that you are coming for a fight. i mean if anyone picks a fight with me, yes il take them head on, and defend myself face to face, mano, imano if you know what that means!! but it would not be right if i attacked the person with his back turned to me or when he is sleeping, or vulnerable. will it ???
Good one Raider.
People dont like to do Sucide Bombings, they are brain washed to do so.
It's always the small things that make big differences.
I think its a very vague thing you are talking about. I mean do you differentiate between a person defending their family and home and blowing themselves up along with their attackers to save the others from a person who walks into a crowded market to blow themselves up and kill as many tourists as they can?
Are the kamikaze pilots different from the bali bombers? For example.
While not condoning ANY kind of violence, I think an eye for an eye is an old philosophy that some adhere to, and suicide to kill themselves along with their enemy is not a new tactic.....but a terrorist (who by definition targets innnocents to cause as much terror as possible) is something completely different, and even a staunch nationalistwould have a hard time justifying that kind of act.
I am very conflicted about this issue....as a Nationalist I love my country and family, and would make the ultimate sacrifice to ensure their safety if I ever had to (I think....though theory and practice are 2 different things)....but the suicide bombers on the news are a different breed altogether...I can't even fathom attacking civilians of even an enemy state.....so killing dozens of tourists or shoppers just to cause fear seems unimaginable....
I think most human conflic stems from humanity's inability to share....greed and materialism drive this zero sum game where we must have more and "others" less....wether tribal, city states, nations, etc... There will always be wars unless we all learn to share this planet with one another....perhaps its the Star Trek Geek in me speaking, but I dream of the day materialism and money are abolished and we as a species are united in a quest to expoler our universe and improve ourselves....ah the dream!
That's just my opinion...what do others think?
Stay safe all.
Perfection does not exist. The question therefore, is: what level of imperfection are we willing to settle for?
who said they are dying for nothing..its all about the VIRGINS! 72 virgins will drive any man to blow himself up...but like achmed says those 72 virgins could be other suicide bombers lol :)
Where there is Fire...There is Coke. Where there is Rum..There is Smoke - Sir Smoke-a-Lot
theres a lot of sick minds out there buddy....and likewise a lot of really nice people that speak out against such acts >>>
better die for something then for nothing.
Everybody is right and Everybody is wrong, its depend where you stand