Yesterday i saw 2 Arab grown up guys smoking inside MC-Donald's childrens playing area, which is supposed to be prohibited to smoke. The manager couldnt do a thing instead they were given a ash tray for there convenience
It is keeping the threads clean of any kind of national bashing - there is not need to mention any race in the article. The article itself is cleary defined what it's about.
What is racist about using the word the "Arab" to describe what she saw. It wasnt relevant really but wheres the racism in that. I think omaruam is being chastised a little too harshly here.
I never saw the original thread title, so i cant comment. The rest is just typical QL bullying and Psychophantic behavior by the usual suspects. She saw two "Arab" men smoking in the childrens area!!!
Where did she generalise about all "Arab" men. Get a grip of yourselves.
Being from a mixed race family im aware of racism and i saw nothing to suggest anything of the sort by Omaruam.
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well the subject is changed (thanx for higlighting that diamondgirl)and it is not racism that i am looking for...maybe it sounded or looked like that, sorry for that...but hope you understand the point of this subject???
diamondgirl, this is just what i think you cannot change how i think, people are different so you think your own way i will think my own way, maybe you did not completely understand the point of this subject......either way enough said...only if we knew what was coming!!!!
The non arabs does it too. Strange coincidence, but i saw something today which made my blood boil. I was moving on the road, else i would have wound down my window and given them an earful...
There was this car next to me driven by a guy and a lady besides him. A sweet little girl was in the rear seat, standing up and trying to hug her mother from behind. And guess what she was doing? Busily tipping the ash out of her cigarette. I was shell shocked. It was a closed car with a little space betwen the window for the smoke to go out.
I really really thanked god for giving me better parents than the one i saw. It was totally irrepsonsible behaviour. They were endangering her life by having her unvbuckled and also by smoking in front of her. It was bad. I hated myself for not having given them a piece of my mind.
And to think that i am normally a peaceful creature...
And where do you suggest kids could be taken for a meal? Not many children friendly restaurants around here with a healthy menu, are there?
I'm a smoker myself but make sure no one smokes in front of my children.
Also, it is true that the non smoking rule is almost always broken by arabs and particulary by qataries. I don't know why, but that's a fact that I have seen around here, maybe they realise that they get away with it, so they do it. THen again, in southern Europe is quite the same, nobody really cares about the non smoking signs, although it's better now than say, ten years ago. GUess mentalities change slowly.
Me too, repectfully disagree, so far what i have seen in Qatar, specifically this rule is broken by Arabs, i dont know the Nationality cause never asked them...
Secondly, I respectfully disagree with you. I do not refer to people by their nationality unless I am, for example, applying for a visa for them whereupon it becomes relevant to the immigration authorities.
Thanks for trying to flaunt your superior vocabulary! :) Am sure you wouldn't quite appreciate me putting your nick in the subject line with something like 'brit b*tch with big b*tt'.
Getting to the topic, if you seriously think what I said was wrong then rest my case. This thread was clearly about smoking in public, all that I did was to highlight the fact who does it more often. Simple as that.
If you have missed reading my lines about whether laws should be implemented or not, I think we kind of concur on those views. There was never denying from my part that the guilty party should be punished whether an expat or a local.
Also, concerning consumption of pork, whether homemade or from litter, is good for health is a personal thing. My question was whether it is illegal to import in the Qatar and how many break them?
is a pretty anti social thing to do itself. Be kind to your kids, don't take them there. The food is awful with a very high fat content and low nutritional value. Do them a favor and cook them something decent.
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diamondgirl, this is what i saw, i know they are arabs and i cannot ignore that, and a superviser told them that this is not allowed and maybe they know about it already but they just ignored it asked for an ASH TRAY..If i were one them i would have respected the what that supervisor was telling..this is not racism dear
This thread is about smoking in public, so we were trying to stick to the topic. But yes, spitting in public is bad and, if illegal as per the laws in Qatar, should be implemented properly.
Importing of pork is illegal in Qatar as far as I know, wonder if everyone follows that!
it is really bad, these guys should be stopped because they got the wrong term of freedom. If you will start bugging other people and hurt them with your smoke, then you have to know that the boundaries of your freedom are limited.
Some people think that they are cool smoking in public like anyone would care about how attractive would that person be while smoking. Laws should be enforced and work on all people .. otherwise everyone would be saying these laws don't apply to these people so why would i care? to respect the laws, you should have self respect. you should be ashamed of yourself for breaking the laws, not obeying them.
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The original title of this thread was bordering on racist so diamondgirl was right to mention it, but omaruam has modified it now so I think the talk about racism can stop. Rayyz - I think it is the minority rather than the majority. It's not like you see most of the Qatari population smoking in McDonalds, just the odd few!
Easier said than done. Have you tried advocating someone from not smoking in public? I have done that severals times and am speaking from the reactions received. I am a smoker too but I do so responsibly, I don't break the laws.
I still agree one could label a person of being a racist for put up an allegation like that. Then again, its food for thought if majority of people from a particular country or race are flouting the laws.
Perhaps better usage would be flaunting their authority over others!
The point about no-one opening their mouths to correct or give advice relates to the recent thread on QL about people fearing Qataris. There is no way the staff in the McDonald's are going to do anything about them smoking because they fear that the Qataris have the power to get them sacked/arrested/deported or whatever. Very few members of the public would feel brave enough to say something to them either.
Whether this fear is justified or not, the fact is that it does exists.
or bad I guess. With respect to the author who opened this thread, he picked up the wrong title for his topic. It should be what is wrong with these smokers, and down there talk about the issue and mention the nationality if he wants.
I know that what they did is not acceptable, I'm Arabic too but none smoke and don't like what they did because it is a sign of disrespect. I don't like smokers, not in person but because of the deeds that come along with this bad habit.
Smokers are coming from different nationalities as well as the good and the bad, i don't have any problem with the author but the others would feel something because they would not get his point the same way i did.
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True DG. It is being racist in a way. But I wish I could find more expats doing the same in Qatar, or lets say fewer Qataris breaking the law, as said above.
MAYBE you are right tallg...a bit harsh, but have had and seen so many frustrating acts, nobody opens the mouth to correct or give a good advice, cause we are not good enough i guess??
richard123 - I agree with you that people disobey laws all over the world (and I also agree that violence isn't the solution), but I think the reason omaruam highlighted the fact that they were Arabs is because 99% of the time in Qatar it is Qataris who flout the rules. That's not to say other nationalities don't do it here, but from my experience it's Qataris who do it most. I find it frustrating that I do my best to fit in with Qatar's cultural and religious beliefs while some Qataris are blatantly disrespecting rules and regulations.
Perhaps omaruam could have worded the title of his post a bit less aggressively, as it does give the impression that he's tarnishing all Arabs with the same brush, when in reality it is only a minority who do these things.
But you can't deny that we actually find many Arabs breaking this law here in Qatar.
Whether one is educated or not, it requires very little common sense for a person to realize that smoking is harmful for others. One should be responsible to abide the law, for health is the very reason laws banning smoking in public was formed in the first place.
If you go upto a Qatari in thobe and ask him to stop smoking at a public place, all you get in return is a cold stare and they speak something to themselves in arabic and laugh it off as if nothing sensible was said.
I have yet to see or hear of someone being fined in Qatar for smoking in public places, which is quite sad and speaks a lot about bad implementation of law.
Suppose if you had been to the same restaurant with your kids, what would you have done? You would probably have taken your kids out, and similarly the other parents would have done the same. And in the end the two smokers would have told the manager " See no kids here so we can smoke"
(Once you run from a situation, you always keep on running)
Although it is not an Arabs thing only, many other races and nationalities have a tendency not to follow the rules. As the rule enforcement agencies do not wish so or dont have the power or they dont punish those who vandalise the law
when i say these people thats mean i am talking in general and this goes to any country, nationality and places. they are bunch of stupid people. period.
There seems to be quite an appetite for violence on this forum. There have been guys asking for advice on what age they should start beating their children, others about beating wives and now Knoxcollege wants to thrash people for anti social behavior!
Too much violence already in the world.
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the problem is not the smoking, the problem is when they can see the sign thats say no smoking visible and clear and specially when the manager comes and tells them that they cannot smoke. And they take it as an attack on their ego and smoke in front of the kids in the kids area even after being asked not to smoke there.
This is where the problem arises. This is where we need to take the Law in Our Own Hands.
I would have beaten those two jerks in front of the kids and told them that whoever smokes gets a thrashing like that. This would have helped a lot and many would be smokers would have abstained from smoking
So the guys were being a bit naughty and doing something they shouldn't. What's that got to do with the fact that they are Arabs. People do this in the rest of the world as well if they can get away with it. For years people would smoke with impunity in the Paris Metro with no smoking signs all around them.
I am not saying that this is good behavior. All I am saying is that the fact that these guys are Arabs is irrelevant.
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Welcome to Qatar! Where anti-smoking laws exist but not followed.
Why just MacDonalds, you can see them everywhere and no one to stop them.
I remember an incident, say 15 years back maybe, was getting a haircut during Ramadan and a Qatari guy was polluting the saloon with the smoke during the fasting hours. I asked him to stop smoking as it was the month of Ramadan and it wasn't right to do so on his part and more so to others who were fasting. I cannot say here what he thought of the religion and Ramadan and went about smoking carelessly.
Still feel sad that I wasn't bold enough to stand up against what he was doing, maybe I was too young and little intimidated by his size and age.
these people are igonorant and have no brain. otherwise he knows he should smoke in children area. this is stupid. and only stupid people done it. period.
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I think we all agree that smoking is bad for everyone, the smoker and the passive smoker.
I think that racism is a dangerous thing for the human race. The original title of the thread was 'WHATS WRONG WITH THESE ARABS?'
This is my last word on this thread.
If you wish to have the last word, the floor is yours.
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It is keeping the threads clean of any kind of national bashing - there is not need to mention any race in the article. The article itself is cleary defined what it's about.
What is racist about using the word the "Arab" to describe what she saw. It wasnt relevant really but wheres the racism in that. I think omaruam is being chastised a little too harshly here.
I never saw the original thread title, so i cant comment. The rest is just typical QL bullying and Psychophantic behavior by the usual suspects. She saw two "Arab" men smoking in the childrens area!!!
Where did she generalise about all "Arab" men. Get a grip of yourselves.
Being from a mixed race family im aware of racism and i saw nothing to suggest anything of the sort by Omaruam.
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What about just two grown ups???????
well the subject is changed (thanx for higlighting that diamondgirl)and it is not racism that i am looking for...maybe it sounded or looked like that, sorry for that...but hope you understand the point of this subject???
Omaruam, perhaps I cannot change how you think but I can highlight racism whenever I want.
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As DG wrote to you - she is absolutely right, it is a great struggle on QL to keep threads clean with no racist coments on them.
By the way there are many more races smoking in cafes and restaurants.
diamondgirl, this is just what i think you cannot change how i think, people are different so you think your own way i will think my own way, maybe you did not completely understand the point of this subject......either way enough said...only if we knew what was coming!!!!
these people r vv bad thay r showing off have no brain
The non arabs does it too. Strange coincidence, but i saw something today which made my blood boil. I was moving on the road, else i would have wound down my window and given them an earful...
There was this car next to me driven by a guy and a lady besides him. A sweet little girl was in the rear seat, standing up and trying to hug her mother from behind. And guess what she was doing? Busily tipping the ash out of her cigarette. I was shell shocked. It was a closed car with a little space betwen the window for the smoke to go out.
I really really thanked god for giving me better parents than the one i saw. It was totally irrepsonsible behaviour. They were endangering her life by having her unvbuckled and also by smoking in front of her. It was bad. I hated myself for not having given them a piece of my mind.
And to think that i am normally a peaceful creature...
oryx you can get pigeons here right. Ever tried that?
Omaruam, the fact that you created a racist thread then edited it after people commented says enough for me.
BTW, if you dislike, in the words of your intial posting 'these Arabs', you picked the wrong country to live in.
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And where do you suggest kids could be taken for a meal? Not many children friendly restaurants around here with a healthy menu, are there?
I'm a smoker myself but make sure no one smokes in front of my children.
Also, it is true that the non smoking rule is almost always broken by arabs and particulary by qataries. I don't know why, but that's a fact that I have seen around here, maybe they realise that they get away with it, so they do it. THen again, in southern Europe is quite the same, nobody really cares about the non smoking signs, although it's better now than say, ten years ago. GUess mentalities change slowly.
Me too, repectfully disagree, so far what i have seen in Qatar, specifically this rule is broken by Arabs, i dont know the Nationality cause never asked them...
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Richard excellent point
if you are taking your kids to McDonalds then cigarette smoke is the least of your worries.
You should be feeding the kids better.
I would say it is healthier to have a few cigarettes and a healthy diet than no cigarettes and eat junk food.
I am sure Rayzz loads of folk bring in pork chicken is so boring - i wish the consumption of rabitt and ostrich was promoted here.
true...vice versa too...example if you go to get a service at Qtel the customer has to be scared...LOL..
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Omaruam, firstly 'dear' is a tad patronising.
Secondly, I respectfully disagree with you. I do not refer to people by their nationality unless I am, for example, applying for a visa for them whereupon it becomes relevant to the immigration authorities.
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This was not a comment to you but just a general comment that many people are not aware of the situation.
However, even if you complain in a restaurant, to the person serving they will not ask people to stop smoking in case of loosing their job.
This is the sad thing.
Thanks for trying to flaunt your superior vocabulary! :) Am sure you wouldn't quite appreciate me putting your nick in the subject line with something like 'brit b*tch with big b*tt'.
Getting to the topic, if you seriously think what I said was wrong then rest my case. This thread was clearly about smoking in public, all that I did was to highlight the fact who does it more often. Simple as that.
If you have missed reading my lines about whether laws should be implemented or not, I think we kind of concur on those views. There was never denying from my part that the guilty party should be punished whether an expat or a local.
Also, concerning consumption of pork, whether homemade or from litter, is good for health is a personal thing. My question was whether it is illegal to import in the Qatar and how many break them?
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Unfortunately the problem lies also within passive smoking which according to recent surveys is a great deal more dangerous.
I actually watched a TV programme which showed exactly how smoking went into and through the bloodstream you can't imagine the damage it can do.
is a pretty anti social thing to do itself. Be kind to your kids, don't take them there. The food is awful with a very high fat content and low nutritional value. Do them a favor and cook them something decent.
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diamondgirl, this is what i saw, i know they are arabs and i cannot ignore that, and a superviser told them that this is not allowed and maybe they know about it already but they just ignored it asked for an ASH TRAY..If i were one them i would have respected the what that supervisor was telling..this is not racism dear
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the post should be focused on the lack of action/consequences for people who don't abide by laws... not just slagging off Arabs.
My point about spitting was not just the spitting but also to take the racist edge out of the original post.
Yes - other nationalities commit crime with impunity...
and yes i tell porkie pies (cockney rhyming slang for lies) about my pig products.
But the porcine consumption is homebased and thus not endangering anyone's health.
You forgot about nostril clearing, phlegm throat actions and a variety of other gross actions that are rarely if ever done by Arabs.
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Wow! A lot of spit in that post :)
This thread is about smoking in public, so we were trying to stick to the topic. But yes, spitting in public is bad and, if illegal as per the laws in Qatar, should be implemented properly.
Importing of pork is illegal in Qatar as far as I know, wonder if everyone follows that!
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Thank you Omaruam for editing your title to remove the word'Arabs'. perhaos you could also remove the word 'Arab' from your text too.
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What about spitting all over the street
that is illegal
that is disgusting
that is bad for everyone's health
and it is widespread and no-one ever clamps down on it.
Oh and not many Qataris indulge in it - so it isn't just Qataris 'who get away with things'
So what can be done about the spitting?
it is really bad, these guys should be stopped because they got the wrong term of freedom. If you will start bugging other people and hurt them with your smoke, then you have to know that the boundaries of your freedom are limited.
Some people think that they are cool smoking in public like anyone would care about how attractive would that person be while smoking. Laws should be enforced and work on all people .. otherwise everyone would be saying these laws don't apply to these people so why would i care? to respect the laws, you should have self respect. you should be ashamed of yourself for breaking the laws, not obeying them.
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I am talking of the MINORITY who smoke in public places in Qatar. Who are they?
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The original title of this thread was bordering on racist so diamondgirl was right to mention it, but omaruam has modified it now so I think the talk about racism can stop. Rayyz - I think it is the minority rather than the majority. It's not like you see most of the Qatari population smoking in McDonalds, just the odd few!
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Would a decent guy smoke in a PROHIBITED area where children are playing ?? And for doing this they get an ash tray, since they need one...
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you will see them anywhere....law breakers, unmindful, don't care as long as they are doing WHAT they WANT...shame..
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Easier said than done. Have you tried advocating someone from not smoking in public? I have done that severals times and am speaking from the reactions received. I am a smoker too but I do so responsibly, I don't break the laws.
I still agree one could label a person of being a racist for put up an allegation like that. Then again, its food for thought if majority of people from a particular country or race are flouting the laws.
Perhaps better usage would be flaunting their authority over others!
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The point about no-one opening their mouths to correct or give advice relates to the recent thread on QL about people fearing Qataris. There is no way the staff in the McDonald's are going to do anything about them smoking because they fear that the Qataris have the power to get them sacked/arrested/deported or whatever. Very few members of the public would feel brave enough to say something to them either.
Whether this fear is justified or not, the fact is that it does exists.
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or bad I guess. With respect to the author who opened this thread, he picked up the wrong title for his topic. It should be what is wrong with these smokers, and down there talk about the issue and mention the nationality if he wants.
I know that what they did is not acceptable, I'm Arabic too but none smoke and don't like what they did because it is a sign of disrespect. I don't like smokers, not in person but because of the deeds that come along with this bad habit.
Smokers are coming from different nationalities as well as the good and the bad, i don't have any problem with the author but the others would feel something because they would not get his point the same way i did.
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Still racism. I don't look at a person's behaviour and equate it to all of the same nationality.
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True DG. It is being racist in a way. But I wish I could find more expats doing the same in Qatar, or lets say fewer Qataris breaking the law, as said above.
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To generalise about a race of people based on what two people were seen doing is racism.
No-one is disputing that what they were doing is wrong but let's not be racist.
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MAYBE you are right tallg...a bit harsh, but have had and seen so many frustrating acts, nobody opens the mouth to correct or give a good advice, cause we are not good enough i guess??
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I would take my children out of there, but why cant they just abide by the rules,
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richard123 - I agree with you that people disobey laws all over the world (and I also agree that violence isn't the solution), but I think the reason omaruam highlighted the fact that they were Arabs is because 99% of the time in Qatar it is Qataris who flout the rules. That's not to say other nationalities don't do it here, but from my experience it's Qataris who do it most. I find it frustrating that I do my best to fit in with Qatar's cultural and religious beliefs while some Qataris are blatantly disrespecting rules and regulations.
Perhaps omaruam could have worded the title of his post a bit less aggressively, as it does give the impression that he's tarnishing all Arabs with the same brush, when in reality it is only a minority who do these things.
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But you can't deny that we actually find many Arabs breaking this law here in Qatar.
Whether one is educated or not, it requires very little common sense for a person to realize that smoking is harmful for others. One should be responsible to abide the law, for health is the very reason laws banning smoking in public was formed in the first place.
If you go upto a Qatari in thobe and ask him to stop smoking at a public place, all you get in return is a cold stare and they speak something to themselves in arabic and laugh it off as if nothing sensible was said.
I have yet to see or hear of someone being fined in Qatar for smoking in public places, which is quite sad and speaks a lot about bad implementation of law.
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Suppose if you had been to the same restaurant with your kids, what would you have done? You would probably have taken your kids out, and similarly the other parents would have done the same. And in the end the two smokers would have told the manager " See no kids here so we can smoke"
(Once you run from a situation, you always keep on running)
Although it is not an Arabs thing only, many other races and nationalities have a tendency not to follow the rules. As the rule enforcement agencies do not wish so or dont have the power or they dont punish those who vandalise the law
when i say these people thats mean i am talking in general and this goes to any country, nationality and places. they are bunch of stupid people. period.
There seems to be quite an appetite for violence on this forum. There have been guys asking for advice on what age they should start beating their children, others about beating wives and now Knoxcollege wants to thrash people for anti social behavior!
Too much violence already in the world.
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the problem is not the smoking, the problem is when they can see the sign thats say no smoking visible and clear and specially when the manager comes and tells them that they cannot smoke. And they take it as an attack on their ego and smoke in front of the kids in the kids area even after being asked not to smoke there.
This is where the problem arises. This is where we need to take the Law in Our Own Hands.
I would have beaten those two jerks in front of the kids and told them that whoever smokes gets a thrashing like that. This would have helped a lot and many would be smokers would have abstained from smoking
So the guys were being a bit naughty and doing something they shouldn't. What's that got to do with the fact that they are Arabs. People do this in the rest of the world as well if they can get away with it. For years people would smoke with impunity in the Paris Metro with no smoking signs all around them.
I am not saying that this is good behavior. All I am saying is that the fact that these guys are Arabs is irrelevant.
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Welcome to Qatar! Where anti-smoking laws exist but not followed.
Why just MacDonalds, you can see them everywhere and no one to stop them.
I remember an incident, say 15 years back maybe, was getting a haircut during Ramadan and a Qatari guy was polluting the saloon with the smoke during the fasting hours. I asked him to stop smoking as it was the month of Ramadan and it wasn't right to do so on his part and more so to others who were fasting. I cannot say here what he thought of the religion and Ramadan and went about smoking carelessly.
Still feel sad that I wasn't bold enough to stand up against what he was doing, maybe I was too young and little intimidated by his size and age.
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i mean he should knows not to smoke in children area.
these people are igonorant and have no brain. otherwise he knows he should smoke in children area. this is stupid. and only stupid people done it. period.