This is definitely not discrimination

I would say it does happened. Arabic applicants from other Arabic countries gets better wages than the Asians. Even though they didn't know anything and don't even speaks English at all.

I agree with Qatarsun. If the individual is being underutilized in his own country, it's hardly Qatar's fault.

As for citizenship for people who have lived here all their lives, that's a separate issue, and I sympathize greatly with their predicament.

"I personally talked with a security-guard who held tow bachelor degrees one in marketing the other in Economics, and a Master degree in English literature from his country, and now he works here as security guard for as little as QR.1500 per month."

How is that Qatar's fault? I know of that security company, and I also know / can guess the country as most of their staff are from a certain Eastern African country. Personally I have friends from the same country who have just one degree, working here for more than 10 times the pay of your security guard friend. Stewardesses, Cargo operations, aircraft maintenance, teachers, embassy staff etc. So I guess your friend got the wrong degrees.

we are blaming Qatar for not securing a Job for this gentleman. How about his own country? Why holder of two bachelor degrees and a Master degree in English has to leave his country and to work in foreign country as a security guard for as little as QR.1500 per month?

Why we don't blame the Government of HIS country, which is pushing their own citizens - with THREE degrees! - out of their home land to look for greener pastures, to engage in semi-legal affairs with the visas trading, and eventually to end up as a security guard, far away from his home and his family?

What QATAR has to do with all that?

You were born here , so do you not feel an afinity to this region ?

Benson----You say "But there is nothing better than our own home country where we are free to enjoy our life as we like."

why are you here then?

MY hubby has never been to his "home country" Qatar has always been his "home Country"

Inspite of having 25+ years experience am still jobless :(

Your right..I am sorry. I meant for expats that were born here.....They have no choice most times to take what they can get. Expats that come here is on free choice. your right. Sorry to mis read the post

Salam

Bachus: My Boss has a big Goose EGG, for a degree; still he's the one, I have to report to :P

Mimi said, "They can't get the nationality and have lived here all their lives, and his family and his roots have been here longer then most Qataris."

This is a different issue - the fact remains that they are still expats and cannot get citizenship (unless they fall within the limited categories allowed), a sore point with many in this situation.

"My husband, and others born here are lucky to even have jobs. They can't get the nationality and have lived here all their lives, and his family and his roots have been here longerthen most Qatari's.'

this is a seperate issue and I agree that these people need to have different considerations.

tinkerbell10 said, "...I wont scream discrimination in this particular case because when he applied for a job or went through the selection process he would at some point in time known what he was gonna get and yet he CHOSE to accept it. He should have known better."

This is true. He made a choice and has to deal with it proactively or get another job - not easy, we know.

marco--No. I am saying that all degrees are not the same. If a job requires a degree and one application has a top university degree and the other applicant has a degree for a mediocre university, this is one factor that would distinguish them.

This idea that is so often touted on QL that "I have the same degree as the guy in the big office and he's paid more", so my company is racist is more than a bit old. If you have the same degree from the same or better university, then you have a case. Otherwise, you don't have the same thing.

More importantly: this is capitalism. The employer can choose what he wants; the employee can choose not to work for him. It's that simple.

Not his choice, but better to have a job then not. My husband has BA in Business Management, is very hard-working, caring, honest man, but he is discriminated on regarding his nationality. He was even told to his face we do not hire " His nationality" So he works for less then 1/2 his salary that he deserves at a company that discrinates against him and others that are not the manager's same nationality. Once he was married, he tried to get family status, they said no, even though it is suppose to be changed to that so he can get proper housing, and he asked many times for a raise to meet the immigration requirements to sponsor me. They said no. His boss'es will not help him just based on his nationality, and they can see how hard a worker he is, and how good he is at his job and how he treats everyone with respect and kindness.

My husband, and others born here are lucky to even have jobs. They can't get the nationality and have lived here all their lives, and his family and his roots have been here longerthen most Qatari's.

So thanks for you comment. it is very hurtful.

A small aside..

When I was recruiting for a resource, my Qatari boss told me not to recruit a certain nationality because he said "he didn't want a mafia" in the workplace :O)

BirtExpat: I totally understand where you coming from. I know this country owes us nothing, and the bulk of us are here for the money.

I also understands that there are different levels both social and educational status within this society, in much the same way that there is in any other country, ain’t rocket science.

However, what I fail to understand is, when different groups of human being get treated differently. Because one is considered more/less affiliated than the other

Bachus: So if I understand what you are saying, people with accredited degrees from not so prestigious universities, being denied a decent job, that their qualification says they can do, is ok?

Life isn't fair. Nothing new there. We all think we want and will get something, many things or everything. Reality double check says different for each one of us.

TB: Might be easy for you to say “Qatar is not the only place for work ", because first., You didn't have to sell whatever little things you had, back home to use the money for buying a visa here. Secondly, it’s much easier for Expats from privileged countires, to travel around the GGC, with minimal paperwork. All we need is, “Visa granted on arrival" stamped on our passports. However, we all know very well that is not the case for people from less affluent countries.

You miss the main point. Whether "privileged" or not. Qatar does not "owe" us a living. We are expats. We come on a fixed contract. When it finishes, we either go back or find another job. The choice is ours.

I think this guy who works as a security gaurd with 2 graduations and a PG will find a better place sooner or later in some other country.

This is not discrimination at all but a difficult stage in his career ..that's it.

I agree with Brit's first post. It's a choice to come here.

I would also add that all degrees and institutions are not the same. If the gentleman in the OP had degrees from Oxford and was still passed over due to discrimination against his nationality, then that is something much clearer.

Companies who promote competence, prosper,

Companies who discriminate among their workforce, never progress.

This is my whole point. Many expats come heer undeer the false assumption that the streets are lined with gold. Sadly, we know different.

Brit: people with little money like him don't live in big properties; they instead share old crumbling accommodations with other people.

Try visiting the inner part of Old-Doha, and you will come to know what I’m talking about.

TB: Like hundreds of thousands of low paid people, he too paid for his own visa, thought was going to be his gateway out of poverty.

".. certain financial institutions in the country, refused, to hire people of certain nationalities. Such Actions are killing any hope for educated people from these nationalities to get a decent job, making them easy target for exploitation"

I agree that this leaves them open to exploitation. However, we are all "expats". we come here for a fixed contract and leave when its over. Qatar does not owe us any favours - or does it ?

Brit/TB: I’d have nodded to your point of view had the guy had any other options. ... But a foregone conclusion is that not accepting the security guard job would mean that he’d be hungry and homeless.

It’s the lesser of two evils, as the says goes.

Two things:

Discrimination occurs everywhere in some form or another.

As for your friend , the security guard, It is his CHOICE whether to take a menial job or not, given his qualifications.

I would agree about the housing, but let me ask you this. If you were a home owner looking to rent out your propoerty. Would you rent to a person earning 1500 QR a month or someone earning 15,000 Qr per month.

I’m afraid it’s because of their nationality.