Gay and married

and whats funny is that Pope was the one to dig it up to post his reply..now i wonder why he did that...hmmmm

I didnt realize this was an old thread until i saw mystica's reply...i havent seen her around in ages ;P where is that troll no one misses her??

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we have no right to judge whom or what kind of relationships they would like to have with each other, whether friendship or gay..

But its definitely not allowed here in QATAR.. No ways...

Its Curse of GOD for your life...r u ???mad

GCC countries i think does not tolerate same sex relationship. dont risk it.

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California bans same-sex marriage

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The ruling puts in doubt thousands of same-sex marriages that have taken place in California

Californian voters have chosen to ban same-sex marriage, months after it was legalised by the state's top court.

The measure restricting marriage to heterosexual couples gained 52% support - more than 5.1 million votes - with nearly all precincts declaring results.

Twenty-seven US states already ban same-sex marriage. California's legal approval had seen thousands of gay couples wed there since May.

State Attorney General Jerry Brown has said those marriages will remain valid.

Legal challenges to the measure, known as Proposition 8, are likely.

The referendum called for the California constitution to be amended by adding the phrase that: "Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognised in California."

Bitter campaign

The ballot measure was keenly fought with more than $70m spent on advertising by both sides - breaking national records for campaigning on a social policy initiative.

People have stood up because they care about marriage and they care a good deal

Frank Schubert Proposition 8 supporter

The BBC's Peter Bowes in Los Angeles says that for many liberal Californians, on a day when Barack Obama was swept to victory, the election was a bittersweet experience.

He said they won the White House - but lost on an issue many believed had already been resolved by the courts.

Conservative groups have welcomed the ban.

"People believe in the institution of marriage" said Frank Schubert, co-manager of the Yes on 8 campaign.

There has been enormous movement in favour of full equality

Kate Kendall Lesbian rights campaigner

"It's one institution that crosses ethnic divides, that crosses partisan divides."

But gay rights supporters vowed to fight on.

Kate Kendall, executive director of the National Center for Lesbian Rights said "there has been enormous movement in favour of full equality in eight short years".

"That is the direction this is heading, and if it's not today or tomorrow, it will be soon," she added.

Florida and Arizona also backed proposals to ban gay marriage, by 62% and 56% respectively, on 4 November.

Other proposals

The measure was among 153 state-level proposals up for vote on US presidential election day.

Other measures under consideration by 36 states ranged from initiatives on gambling, drug laws and stem cell research to tax laws and affirmative action on race.

There were 59 such initiatives in 2008.

In South Dakota and Colorado, measures curtailing abortion rights were rejected.

Michigan voted to allow medical use of marijuana, while Nebraska voted to end race- and gender-based affirmative action.

In Oregon, a measure designed to limit teaching of students in language other than English to no more than two years was defeated.

Washington state voted to allow doctor-assisted suicide for terminally ill people.

Amid deep economic uncertainty, proposals to cut state income taxes were defeated decisively in North Dakota and Massachusetts.

Missouri repealed a $500 loss limit designed to protect compulsive gamblers on riverboats.

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ITS ALL OFFENSIVE-OBVIOUSLY EVERYDAY VIEWING FOR SOME CRETIN ? BUT NOTHING TO DO WITH THE QUESTION

In answer to your question guys, you should be ok

Its quite normal to see two men walking around arm in arm - but not male and female (not sugesting that you would)

I would sugest you keep your private life private,I do not think you would be able to sponsor your partner but as he is from the Uk he can get a 6 month visit visa issued in the Uk

before you come which would give you time to see how you both felt about qatar

Thanks a lot foy your replies. I would have to do some serious thinking about this whole thing. We do not want to advertise our relationship however not getting a visa would be the real issue. So we will have to see how it goes on this side. Will keep u posted, thanks a lot to everyone !

Homosexuality is a big NO NO in Muslim countries, especially in the Middle East.... It's also true that countries like UAE, Qatar and some others have westernized to an extent, but still homosexuality, nudity, and display of affection in public is frowned upon.... I guess the bottom-line is, you can be spouses in the privacy of your home but act like friends in public.

It's always a good idea to respect local culture and religion, and accept the intricacies of life. Fortunately or unfortunately, the world is still not globalized when it comes to culture......

I strongly doubt that your partner can get a spouse visa. This has to happen some other way, but would it be legal to hide facts? I think in the ME countries, you could be banned for life to enter the country again, if found guilty of a crime....

gay marriage is not acceptable in shariah law or the law of the state for nonmuslims...then how can his partner be considered the legal partner for the purpose of obtaining visa.

there are certain aspects the islamic counrtries will not easily relax even if it is for opening borders to westeners.

like i said earlier homosexuality does exist here as in other parts of the world so no one will make your life hell here.as long as this information is limited to your close people....it wont be a hassle.deportation or jail maybe an issue if you are caught in the act or redhanded...get what i mean and for this someone nasty would have to go squeal on you...which normally the people here wont do unless you rub them the wrong way.

its still advisable for your spouse to try to come here on his own under another sponsor for work...then you can live together without any problem.

public display of affection is anyway not encouraged here.

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What islam enforces in only applicable for muslims who first believe that "There is One God "Allah" and Muhammad PBUH is his last prophet/messenger". Gay marriages are not part of islam and neither allowed in muslims. Because Allah has created man and woman (opposite sex) for their natural instincts satisfaction. All kinds of punishments in Islam are applicable on to disobeying muslims.

But since you're not a muslim this is not applicable to you or your partner. May be you get permission to bring your spouse. I hope you would definitly get some postive response from Qatar Embassy in UK.

Best of luck!!

Thanks a lot for your replies. The visa is the aspect that concerns me the most as me and my partner had to spend a year a part due to immigrations paperwork so now that we are finally settled we really do not want to experience this sort of fear again. As per the villa idea that's cool. We do not share affections in public not even here in London where is very common to witness gay people kissing on public transport. However, as you guys said, it is a really different picture in an Islamic COuntry and I really do not know if we could live with the fear of maybe having to face deportation or jail or so.

I will check with the Qatar Embassy in Londo to see what they have to say on this, however I think this will become a real issue in time as Islamic Countries decide more and more to open their borders to Westeners. Thanks to all !

Homosexuality is illegal here, I honestly doubt they will grant a visa to your male partner on the ground you are married. And I don't think it's a good idea to advertise the whole think with the company here either, unless you absolutely trust your interlocutor.

Why don't you contact the Qatari embassy in the UK instead and check out their reaction first?

Best of luck!

I dont think that anyone of us have experienced this, but try to check with your company and see their reply, maybe if you have a mariage certified certificate it doesnt matter (i really dont know). nvertheless, ASK about it, it's better, second many gay people are living here, but you have to be cautious not to kiss in public, hug and so on, with males and females they get into trouble, with gays ohhh man, dont forget its an islamic country with the most population is islam.

Good luck.

Many people live in company provided housing and share villas with other people. Legally, villas can only be shared among the same sex. To an outsider, two guys living in a villa wouldn't look out of the ordinary. But, I guess that wouldn't work because you don't want to be worried.

Given that, I would say that it would be all but impossible to live here as a married gay man if you were opposed to keeping it a complete secret the entire time. No visa would be given though...and it's extremely expensive if he were to overstay a tourist visa, so I wouldn't try that route if I were you.

Illegal but, depends how careful you are don't make it too obvious! In Saudi and Bahrain I've seen enough gay and they wear make up, but the Mutawa (religious police)don't seems to pay attention with them, they pay more attention with man and woman walking in the Street together and will ask for their marriage certificate and if they don't have one, they get into trouble, never happen to me as I always have my children with me whenever I'm out. Regarding visa issuance it's either you get him a visit visa and find him a sponsor later on. "You do not need to declare that you are married to him"

Just keep dancing, it will do you good!

I believe that homosexuality is illegal throughout the Gulf.

Even in the Oman!

Becareful in any GCC country. Actually it all depends about the country religion. In all GCC countries, Islam is the religion and if this thing comes into notice of government officials, they may deport you along with your spouse.

i am sorry to say that he will not be granted a visa as your spouse. he will have to come here on his own independant work visa if he wants to live with you here.

unless you advertise about yourself....your life wont become a living hell...people are tolerant here unless you mess with them.so its cool that way.

i dont know how openminded it will be for you here.although there are gay relationships here...but its not spoken of....so you will have to tone it down.it could seem as living a lie for you....thats how it is.you cant publicise this relationship.

the shariah law here does not accept such relations.

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