What a shame for this guys
Two Italian marines accused of killing two Indian fishermen will be sent back to India by Friday, the Italian government has said, reversing its previous decision not to send them back to face trial.
Italy said two naval guards on trial for murder in India would return to the country by Friday, after earlier saying they would remain in Italy in a move that had unleashed a diplomatic furore.
The two — Massimiliano Latorre and Salvatore Girone — had been granted a special leave last month by an Indian court to return to Italy to vote in elections but had skipped bail.
The two are accused of killing two Indian fishermen they mistook for pirates off the Indian port of Kochi last year while they were serving as security guards on an Italian oil tanker.
India should first bring to justice the many rapists which are on the loose in its streets before embarking on trying two foreigners.
Then, nobody knows the truth upon the return of the marines to india all of a sudden despite an initial refusal to send them back. However, there are consolidated speculations about the multi-billion dollars exchange trading of several warfare helicopters that india threatened not to buy from Italy.
Happy.. The accident happened in international waters. When the vessel realised about the death of the fishermen, they called indian authorities. These asked the vessel to unboard for clarifications. Then the immediate arrest. International laws are clear about this. It is not india's role to prosecute them. It is all recorded on official documents.
@ Speckman33...What is your source for first part of the last sentence of your post.
...should not have taken place in India! The accident was in international waters! How can someone justify the indians for this? It was all achieved through deceit to have the vessels reach indian territory and it was through outragious blackmailing that they got the marines back!
what ever things are...those marines look very nice in their uniform.
It seems you have some working exp as a 'clever' diplomat.
Never mind if that assurance is given by Indian Officials in Italy.
India have learnt a useful lesson very recently from them only.
Ambassador's movement is free now or not yet ?
Some more fine points related to this sorry story:
They were recieved by their foreign minister at the air port at their last journey to freedom and their PM had met them too.
Italian marines have returned to INDIA on a condition that they will not be given CAPITAL PUNISHMENT if convicted as MURDERERS...Indian government has given this assurance to ITALY...
I hope this shouldn't be turned out as a mere political gimmick....
...so much for the vienna conventions which the americans and europeans used to use earlier to get out of such situations. What is to be appreciated is that India went about the job in a peaceful, diplomatic, respectful and professional manner without resorting to making loud noises , bombing the italian capital or trying to get rid of the italian leaders like the americans or the British would have done
agree to you...better to ignore such comments rather than reacting over it :)
I got the hint from your comment.
But we have no control on other's wild thoughts.
Be careful next HGL will label you as FUNNY INDIANS ;)
Your views / feelings are genuine.
Good old joe, Precisely so! What I cant tolerate is the way India dealt with this. Im not here to play anybody's advocate but I followed the case and I am well upset at the way things were dealt with. And yes, india did play dirty tactics and threw up a diplomatic case.
I never meant to hurt you this much.
Your disrespect for the voters is clear.
They brought them back without using the commandoes, air power or blackmail tactics but perhaps the story was a bit complicated as a lot of money must have changed hands in this stupid drama and it also goes to show that barking dogs seldom bite
MM... I can only say let us keep our encounters to good morning and good evening threads.
Also, dont forget my friend that Italy just had elections and in the last few weeks there was only an acting government with other priorities that worrying about India's struggle for visibility.
The marines look like heroes in the pictures but complete zeroes after their holiday trip to Italy
we see a total disregard for those two departed souls.
Nothing is mentioned in the recent days about the plight of their families.
If they had all the audio / video records then why are they turning to hide & seek.
Media is benefitting than anybody else.
You know more than those two boys and two Govts. and ambassdors etc !
Through analysis, ha ha.
Common sense prevails. Diplomacy wins out..
It is so easy to comment and judge without having details and just cutting and pasting articles from newspapers. What hasnt been said here is that India used deceit and tricked the italian vessel ( with marines on board as anti-piracy measure) inside their waters with the excuse to enquire about the accident but as soon as the boat reached the harbour the soldiers were arrested. The fishermen were approaching the vessel and did not stop after warning, therefore they had been shot. The Italians stayed ONE FULL YEAR in India without trial, as of course the indians themselves do not know what to do. International laws are very clear on the matter but India wants to play a dirty game and even took the italian ambassador whenever the news came up of a denied return for trial. This is against the covention of Vienna. The italian soldiers could face death sentence ( but they are not civils, they are soldiers, and cant be condemned by an external country ) and it is only right to protect them against political games. Also, there is the multi billion dollars deal of warcraft helicopters India bought from Italy and the whole thing triggered wide financial defensive mechanism which are now using the marines as scapegoats of a larger game.
So those two citizens from Kerala were sacrificed by the Govt to fool the remaining Indians.
Excellent thought for a Friday .
India is not America yet !
Not only you who , everybody is surprised.
And these two gentlemen might have had the shock of their lives at the 'fairness' they received at their home country !
I have same feeling sometimes they may do surgery to favour or save someone but anyhow India is being given two persons from Italy.
You are right, these young men are being punished by their own Govt.
Now it is very stressful for them, they are being treated as a commudity. Sent back and forth.
Your comment is not clear ..,
Are you from hyderabad
It's not shame!...least you see their faces... it's more shame those rapist not seen even the top of their nose. Just make the formalities of the court and make justice take it's course... Don't call it shame!...when you hide true shame in your heart.
(Suus 'non pudor! ... Certe facies videret ... non videtur quod magis et confunditis eos culmine naribus rapto. Et iustitiam iusti iudicii formam accipiunt cursus ... Dicere non pudet ... abscondit est cum ignominia tua)
What about girls from Hyderabad? Are they still available as rape a goat to Middle Eastern tourists? Government of India doing something about them too or not?
Are you joking ?
When Italy can't be trusted by India anymore then how come Italy itself ask for India's guarantee ? ha ha
is right, these boys are just being made two scapegoats.
what is really shame it is when you SEE more than 15 Human ,sorry animals raping girls .
When you saw Childrens working as a slaves and abused.
When you saw girls sold as hens or forced to get married for a 100 USD or less.
This is the real shame . so please stop making your self as perfect and heros.
Those soldiers will pay for the mistake they have done and The soldiers will be tried on unintentional murder , and be sure if they did not get garantie from INDIAN gov the Italians will never send them back .
Clean you hose from inside ,then Clean others home.
Whether they return or not, I think this has become an "eye opener" for all courts in the world that they should not trust the Ambassadors.
knows they are same boys or changed ?
Guess this move would restore some faith and hope in the hearts of many towards justice. Hope now the trial goes on as planned and the two men get their just penalties.
hmmm...they (the Indian govt) pulled the rabbit out of hat in less than 7 days. Great maneuver by the Indian think tank to get a pat for the govt when its popularity was at its rock bottom. Hope all this well played out drama doesn't fool the Indian public.
Hmm..I wish in India there will be no more rape cases as it seems like the government got some power too to bring back those Italian marines.
good
So the lions who said that they would not return have turned out to be as meek and docile as lambs for the slaughter. Hats off to India for forcing this italian marines back without firing a shot or using undue pressure tactics