Where is HRW when you want them?

in public! And the specific method is in the book. KSA knows it for sure, Nomad!

Im serious you fool.

Funny comment...yes-mad

No problem for the Saudis and the Oil and Gas industry in the US is also growing due to new discoveries.

Do you know how much chemicals cost ? at present there is a shortage in the USA and many deathrow inmates are awaiting their fate..

During the early days the cheapest and easiest way to execute a person is by cutting his/her head off with a sword and sometimes by stoning. Later on another alternative was discovered which is hanging by rope. When gun was invented another way of execution was discovered which is by firing squad. Then there was electricity and death by electrocution was tried. Now we have the deadly chemicals which can put a man to sleep forever (which I think is a more humane way of executing a person). Maybe Saudi Arabia is not yet aware of the evolution of execution and needs to be reminded of it. They can well afford the chemicals with their petro dollars.

Thelonius,but 300ml/500ml..... still a d*mn site more than 22ml, correct?

SA, now I know for sure you have no idea what you are talking about...

How in your right mind do you get that they are anywhere near the same?

My mom used to complain (being a typical South African apartheid era child) that the black south Africans always won the Lotto and no whites ever did (not true), but as I used to explain to her... The odds they'd win were greater when calculating that there are 44ml of them and only 4 ml of us....

Liar Cuban Shotpotter :O(

Am all shoulders ,, cry brit cry

Adele - Skyfall [Reggae Version]

NOW I am ending this!

brit....i dedicate this to you

I can make cocaine

I just fell in love with a Cuban

I just left Colombia

Always making bricks, me and Hector

Teach them how to remix gave me metric tons

Isabella that's his little sister

She love me cause I know what them bricks do

I can serve you. I pull tricks too

But I can make cocaine

I promise you'll never see a drought again

I fly back to Colombia

I always make them million dollar runs

My Cuban Shotputter used to say -

Where you go i go,, what you see i see

I know I'd never be me without the security

Of your loving arms

keeping me from harms

But your hand in my hand and we will staaaaaaaaaaaaaanddD

Sadly, she went to Cuba and I stayed in Doha :O(

LLR,, they might have the same voice :/

People are strange when you're a stranger

Faces look ugly when you're alone

Women seem wicked when you're unwanted

Streets are uneven when you're down

When you're strange

Faces come out of the rain

When you're strange

No one remembers your name

When you're strange

People are strange when you're a stranger

Faces look ugly when you're alone

Women seem wicked when you're unwanted

Streets are uneven when you're down

When you're strange

Faces come out of the rain

When you're strange

No one remembers your name

When you're strange

When you're strange

Faces come out of the rain

When you're strange

No one remembers your name

When you're strang

Sulie..Nooo Cuban is brown. :)

brit ,, why, are they alike ?

My favorite part is

Where you go i go,, what you see i see

I know I'd never be me without the security

Of your loving arms

keeping me from harms

But your hand in my hand and we will staaaaaaaaaaaaaanddD

Adele reminds me of my Cuban Shotputter :O)

Let the sky faalllLLLLLLLLLLLL,

when it crumbleeeeess,

We will stand tallllLLLLL

And face it all togethaaa!

Yes, we don't know how many things could happen in 1 min

brit ,, nice voice :O)

Skyfa

a

a

a

l

l

l

I've drowned and dreamed this moment

So over due i owe them

Slept away am stolen

Let the sky fall

when it's crumble

we will stand tall

face it all together

See you at sky fall :O)

SA: and who else‘d be more supportive of such gruesome laws but you (-:

You even went out of your way in drawing silly analogies to justify the cruelty inflicted on another human being.

Now S/A make sure you don’t get caught doing something wrong because the rest of the people commenting on this thread will probably show up to your stoning.

This is the end

Hold your breath and count to ten

Feel the earth move and then

Hear my heart burst again

For this is the end

Yes you will tell that.. to be honest dont take it as wrong.. we never know how it feels unless it comes to us..ok again the same discussion.. 360 degrees. :)

THE END

what will be the end of this thread

10 murders from 10000 is the same as 100 murders from 100000

more simple example

If there a test and you got 7/10 and another person did another test and got 70/100 then both of you have a percentage of 70 %

Rate - The ratio of an action in an area to the population of that area; expressed per 1000 population per year.

I 100% agree that severe crimes deserve punishments but cheering for public hangings, mutilation, crucifixions and beheadings is just crazy!

Xena rate is calculated based on population. Check the world bank data or world fact book or CIA website.

Thelonius ,, You are right

But for me i don't believe any General Description of a particular group.

Like when my Greek friend told me that "All Greeks are lazy"

I didn't believe him cause Nothing is absolutely true.

Halleluah! Xena has risen!

Stats like this also need to take into account the number of people in those countries:

Contry Canada

Rate 1.6

count 554

Region Americas Northern America

Country United States

Rater 4.8

count 14,748

Region Americas Northern America

Country Saudi Arabia

Rate 1.0

count 265+

Region Asia Western Asia

Read more: http://www.qatarliving.com/node/14748671?page=1#ixzz2U1HmtUsR

Bearing in mind that the US is home to over 500 million people..... Saudi, only 22 million...

Do the math!

Thelo: I stop hijacking my thread! You stop hijacking my thread too!

It goes both ways!

NM he trusted in his abilities to judge a book by its cover

Whatever that means :P

Anyway, this post isn't about “trusting Arabs"

So stop the hijack :P

Thelo, I see. so, because YOU trusted in YOU , You were sure he would produce? Ergo, there was no need to trust him?

Never trust an Arab?

I would trust an Arab; I just won’t rely on his help.

I like the other say

Trust No One

BOXBE14: BS?

And for a minute I thought you were finally thinking.

Back to ignoring your comments.

on my face!

What made it work then, if, by their own saying, they can't be trusted?

NM ,,,,,,ROFL

"Never Trust an Arab" including him

Yes, it is common.

this is getting funnier!

you think it's the common thing in this part of the world?

lol...good one...:)

Thelo...and you trusted him ? :P

Thelo, why do they not use their own country's banks?

Yes. I was giving you an example of how worth the HRW is.

BOXBE14: when you’re done dancing to your own music, try to read my comment before the last.

BS

LLR: two wrongs don’t make a right.

And if you have noticed this thread wasn’t started to discuss drones or drowning people without trail.

Thelo m not talking abt 'fart' ! :(

BOXBE14: when you’re done dancing to your own music, try to read my comment before the last.

For me killing people without trial and drowning their body is more harsh than hanging beheaded heads.

its Hot climate outside !

Sulieman: seriously I don’t understand what's this weird fixation some people have for public humiliation of a dead person?

Please read what sister Fatimah wrote, none is asking for the victims to be punished.

just look at the video...it tells before in saudi they used to firing and then replaced it with beheading...it does not talk about hanging or firing or it is not done...iam surprised why they did for this case hanging in public

Thelonius ,, No am not

But as you can see, No one in this damn thread saw that the criminals were Guilty.

Some said we can't send them to prison

Some said we can't kill them

So what the hell we have to do.

what is the point in this thread, is it about :

1- The Royal family of KSA.

2- The penal system in KSA.

3- Islam and "sharyaa" System.

4- Hanging somebody in public.

I just see angry birds fighting each other, No body want to listen, everybody is shouting.

about the prince?

If you guys have time I recommend you to read his books

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johan_Galtung

He was here in Qatar. Such a Humble and Kind Man.

do u know why...so that others learn from their mistakes

this is the video

BOXBE14: have you ever lived in Saudi?

BOXBE14 : They were not hanged, they were beheaded.

Their bodies were hanged down from construction cranes.

Wake up.

beheading dont take place daily in saudi...maybe a week one or 2...so what do they mean by swords men.

i saw a footage on u-tube about the interview of the person who actually carries out the beheading...he is now quiet old and his son will carry oout his duty..

will show that video soon

I'll leave you with one question. Well in fact two connected ones.

1. How many maids have been executed in Saudi in the last five years?

2. How many sponsors of maids who have tortured them and killed them been executed?

This thread is turning to bullsh!t

I think we should start punishing the victims

There is no justice when a sodomiser and murderer is still free and alive in Saudi.

source please..because just today i read they beheaded a syrian person

nowadays media know very well how to brain wash people very easily...media is all looking for competition and the best masala just to get name and fame

i find it strange why did saudi do the hanging because normally they do beheading...i find a lot of false story out here

Hail Fatimah’s honesty!

I dont decide on what media says as media is full of educated 5hit. and asking question considering media as a truth is also the same.

Are you an eye witness? Nooo

Did you see their court hearings? Nooo

Did you read their case files and their previous crimes?

? Nooo

Now its all like Move Point. Joe Tribiani han :)

In cases of murder,rape and pedophilia, when the criminal has been proven guilty beyond doubt, I don't see the reason in humiliating and displaying corpses. In fact this was a vile practice of those who opposed the Prophet(Peace be upon him) That they would leave bodies hanging and/or mutilate them as a means of intimidation.

As for deterrent etc,then the fact that the death penalty exists should suffice, no need to do anything opposing to the Shari'ah assuming it to bring better results!

And finally yes, the murdering prince should have long ago met his Waterloo, and it's saddening to see the level of injustice for which reason he still is alive and kicking unlike his unfortunate victim!

Landlover, sometimes the background of a person does not matter. what primarily matters is what is in his mind.. how it got there is secondary.

Never thr less, more and more people are starting to think like this...progress is slow, but it happens.

Agree education is very very important.. but we have educated murderers with ethically a good family background.

However I wish law and policy makers also think like you. :)

Some of these people were convicted of robbery does the Koran say kill them to? It seems the Koran wants everyone dead.

Landlover, no hospitals won't work. This is not about medication, this is about ethics.

Unfortunately, there are very few people who know what that actually means.

U mean instead of prison we should have only hospitals?

Landlover, yes, I do strongly believe that. If a person commits a crime and is sent to jail..what happens? This person commits crimes again once out of prison. UNLESS, during his/her stay in prison the mindset is changed with /therapy etc...THEN there is a chance this person stays away from crime.

So, it is not the punishment that prevents crime, but the change of mindset...which are 2 totally different things.

I am NOT saying people should not be sent to jail, the time in jail should be used to change this person's mindset effectively.

this actions as a result for people kill , rape etc .

mentioned by the holly Quran our book which came from LORD so it's UNNEGOTIABLE .

these 5 men have killed , raped ,others so let me know what is the corrct result and action which should be taken in your oponion

also let me know if someone raped and killed your wife , mother , sester etc what will be the fair result in your oponion

thanks

Fear does not establish good ethics.

Please correct me if I am wrong.. do you think punishment has no meaning at all in societies?

As I think fear has linked with each and every punishment of whatsoever the nature is.

No worries brit.

farafero: hum ok, if you say so.

I believe you are the one that mentioned religion in the first place.

However, i will heed your advice for future.

I do not believe that cutting off limbs or a head and displaying this in public prevents crime.

This kind of display only gets people used to brutality, but it does not change their general mindset on crime.

Fear does not establish good ethics.

who are you to talk about this ,,,, this is what the Quran said and mentioned clearly for such cases so what is your concern here ,,, people should stay quite and do not involve themselfs is something belong to other religions so please this is not your concern or anybody's to talk about also it happens in KSA which is not linked to Qatar or people living in Qatar

thanks

Marco It’s basically the cutting off hands and feet alternately but not after beheading.. both are very different.

My beliefs are on Quran and the Prophet sayings..anything more than that depends.. I dont like to discuss further as these topic are very sensitive..doesnt apply on all situations... as per my observation countries have manipulated a lot for their personal reasons which we cant take as sharia law..

For example so many divided kingdoms.. with one state's GNI 360$ and another neighbouring state's GNI 80440$ - and so many other reasons.

Friends this is the 21st century let’s not be close-minded.

And like LLR said,everybody participating in this forum has different mentality/ethical background.

LLR: There is no attempt at bashing/criticizing any religion or even the simple notion of it on this thread so chillax buddy.

Brit:Thank you for your valuable input and the participation on this thread; however Brit, perhaps you should refrain from asking religion related questions on a non-religious section, then it won’t deflect to religion.

I will not argue the point further. Let us agree to disagree. I do not regard corporal punishment or the cutting off of hands as "mutilation". It is clear that you do.

I will leave others to make their own judgement.

As i said earlier, If you want to take this discussion into religious aspects, then it should be moved elsewhere ..

Brit: Tazir is corporeal punishment in the Sharaia law, which is defined as a sentence or punishment for crimes which retirubation is not fixed by any clear Sharia code, or for crimes that are too serious and demand severe punishment.

In these types of crimes it’s entirely up to the judges to hand out the offender any punishment he sees appropriate.

Tazir is also mutilation.

It’s basically the cutting off hands and feet alternately.

Check Verse 5:33 -

LLR: We are just answering our dear friend brit.

I am not sure you have given the right definition of Tazir.

This is what I read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tazir

By the way I still did not read about about Tazir.

I dont consider wikipedia as authentic.. I am afraid this will end up on religion.. hence I am off from this thread.

I am sorry, but I cannot find anywhere where Tazir or whatever calls for mutilation of the corpse.

In this case , the sentence was death - as per Shariah Law. They carried that out.

Then , the authorities hung up the bodies for a day as a warning to others.

Do you all remember the case of Saudi King Shah Faisal, Despite Faisal’s dying request that the life of his assassin be spared, he was beheaded in the public square in Riyadh.

britexpat: I don't see much of a reason in suspecting my intentions.

You asked a question and I answered.

And Yes Saudi’s constitution is based on “Sharia law”

And the retribution through (Tazir which is basically mutilation of the corpse) is part of that law.

Violence begets more violence. The more violence people see, the more they get used to it.

Scara death penalty exchange would go against UK and EU law but giving a nice home arrest dont?

I personaly believe that the UK should not have agreed to the transfer. But then, politics is dirty business.

Knight there probably is an answer on the Prince. The UK would not have agreed to the exchange if he faced the death penalty as that would go against UK and European Law, hence it was easy for Saudi to say ok, no execution just jail. (A nice home arrest probably, where he can beats, sodomise his servants without fear of retribution).

As usual punsihments and religious imposition are tools of the rich and powerfult to control the weak and poor.

Just few of us here with so many opinions and thoughts..

some strongly support their act and some have reservation..

What makes sense to one person is non sense for another..

If something is really wrong and destructive or not so productive then it wont last for long..

So it is time to have a cup of tea :)

Cheers.

The article that you attached mentions that the death sentence was a part of Shariah Law. However it says nothing about the public display as being part of Shariah Law. This is something from the Saudi Authorities.

I have no problems discussing the issues about Saudis and hanging. However, if your real intention is to start discussing religion, then this post should be in Religious Groups.

I don't know if blood money was given to the victim's family..but this is no justice. Royal families or very rich persons will always have their way out if there's a provision like this. It won't matter to them to pay some 100 thousand rials out of their treasure.

If an ordinary criminal are pardoned because blood money was accepted by the victim/s, don't you expect it can also be applied to the prince?

pressurise the victim's family to accept blood-money is not manking any sense..

Nothing in this world is set on stones and such barbaric laws should be pointed out and changed.

Has Saudi Arabia decreased the violence orchestrating public beheadings?

The answer is absolutely NO

flor, KSA government got back the prince from UK to keep him under preferential treatment in the name of prisoner exchange..This is just because he was a prince. Also, does it mean that any royal family member, who has the money to pay blood-money can kill and then pressurise the victim's family to accept blood-money?

I have not read anywhere that the man servant's family was offered blood-money. Since you know about it, let us have the link too..

You can't trust Saudi's stats. They don't keep proper statistics about crime rates.

MN my dear i didn't say that we have to be Stone minded ,, somethings are fixable and some are not.

Btw did America deceased the violence by this move

the answer is absolutely NOT

One last thing

If you chose where to live you have to accept the rules,,, else don't go there or move.

Of course it has a huge impact on crime rates. Check the link SA has given.. however you cant expect 100% as emotions have no boundaries sometimes.

their law, NOT only the prince got a chance for a second life. Those who pays blood money and accepted by the victims are forgiven. It is part of their justice system, it is not hypocracy. And who is Scarab to demand the hanging of a corpse outside a university but for discussion purposes, ask the court and maybe they will!

Books don’t change it’s the interpretations’ /understanding of them that needs change.

MN i would have surely applied my common sense here but after seeing so much of non sense discussion - i backed up ! :(

KR

I agree with you and for the same reason I said Law should be apply from the last person to the first person of the Country. but it is a different topic as politicians have over ruled the laws imposed by themselves.

Marco ,, what do you mean we have to change our Holy books every year to be updated?

which shows the murder rate around the world

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Just compare Saudi Arabia and USA, i.e. compare K.S.A with north and central america and you will see the following:

Contry Canada

Rate 1.6

count 554

Region Americas Northern America

Country United States

Rater 4.8

count 14,748

Region Americas Northern America

Country Saudi Arabia

Rate 1.0

count 265+

Region Asia Western Asia

Rizks:

Why don’t you try and apply some common sense in to the topic, rather than asking mods to move against the thread.

(-:

Why nobody out here, who think hanging a corpse infront of an university for a day is OK, not answering the questions posed by scarab2??

Why was the Saudi prince not hanged for homosexuality and murder of his man servant?

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/blog/2013/03/29/saudi-prince-allowed-to-return-home-after-murder-conviction/index.html

KSA made a deal with UK in the name of prisoner exchange just to get the prince back to KSA and now he is probably getting a preferencial treatment in the prison..who knows. After some years he would be let out.

This is KSA !! And its funny how people out here intentionally overlook their hypocrisy.

Point to ponder is has such actions stopped crimes there which then means no need for such actions. If not, which is obvious, then the whole idea (or law) isn't working.

Two wrongs make a right

At least they stopped it in America in 1936.

Mods, dont you think its time for your beautiful Magic ?

MN so you think America is not barbaric? I dont think so.

Suliman: The last public execution in America was in the year 1936.

We are in 2013.

No.. if you teach them the whole thing a healthy kid would not think violence is ok.

britexpat: This kind of punishment in t the Islamic criminal law (Sharia Law), is called “Tazir “.

Sharia law is God’s law.

LLr if you teach your kids that killing someone is right in certain circumstances than you teach them that violence is ok. Simple as that.

I could give a fig about the elders in KSA flor, they've proven time and time again with their barbaric laws that they aren't worth considering.

Boxbe, crimes are actually decreasing in most countries around the world, and most countries don't have capital punishment.

Boxbe14.. You are condoning a barbaric behavior. If we kill cause one killed where and when will it stop?

The hangman got a paper and order from the court.

If the hangman hangs someone just by his thought he will be hanged.

For me it makes sense.

The Non sense i see here that kids will think violence is acceptable. My kids wont because I will teach them the whole thing I mean why Laws are made..why should we take law in our hand..why the criminal was hanged..etc and I am sure a healthy kid wont see something like Violence is acceptable if they were taught well.

is about KSA criminal justice system, not the western type!

"I'm 100% against the death penalty."....will you alone can change anything ?

No the public aren't allowed to watch executions in the West. And I'm 100% against the death penalty. To hang them in public is even worse and makes the people who do it barbarians.

the elders in KSA with your kind of thinking! And that is precisely the problem is, your kind of thinking!

BoxBe, I would expect them to be punished by prison, not violence. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

was there no violence when ur loved ones was murdered although they were innocent

if it makes the whole world blind, then crimes will continue to rise even more

"Hanging the dead corpse from cranes in the name of God is just a heinous thing to do."

Sorry MN-01 .. I missed where it says that they were hung from cranes in the name of god . Can you just highlight in the story please.

Miss Mimi ,,,Killing anybody is 100% violent whatever was the way, Is your problem The hanging itself or being hanged on public, cause the both are violent .!! no?

And i think it is your choice to go and watch this, and btw in the west When they execute someone, hanging, lethal injection, or whatever , the public are allowed to watch as well.

Nonsense LLR. The hangman wasn't hanged was he.

Flor they'll tell their kids that criminals are punished with violence, which means that violence is ok against certain people. That's the wrong message to send and just creates further violence.

BoxBe, I would expect them to be punished by prison, not violence. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

Sulieman : Justice (according to the law of the land) was served and the men were beheaded.

Hanging the dead corpse from cranes in the name of God is just a heinous thing to do.

That violence is ok. Revenge is acceptable. Hanging people is perfectly normal.

Mimi...If you say so yes..but even if you kill someone in revenge you will be hanged..

We have to teach them no matter what dont kill anyone..and dont take law in your hand even if you are a victim(No revenge).

There's fiction and real life LLR. And I wouldn't let young children see horror movies either. However if you go to a movie theater in this part of the world you'll see lots of kids watching SAW or worse. Which goes to show what parents are teaching their kids here.

to you, it will mean "violence is ok" but the reality is, elders will tell their children that criminals are punished correspondingly.

LLR:

Children should be thought not to kill or steal not for the fear of punishment but because it is morally wrong.

which of the 2 is better to say? : "Son dont kill because you will be caught and killed too!!"

or

"Son you don't kill because the other person is also a human being"

if some one murders ur loved ones...is it ok for u...will u just let it go

Suliman there is absolutely no evidence at all to say that execution stops crime or even hinders crime in any way. In fact, in the States the States with the death penalty have higher violent crime rates than States without. Which goes to say that if a government condones violence, even against criminals, it teaches the society that violence is ok and creates more violence.

There are differing interpretations of barbarism depending on where you are and what your experiences are.

Mimi they have a specific dedicated area...they dont keep them in airport terminal.

By the way they dont dont force public to see...

Ever thought of banning all psycho violent and horror movies? which are worse than this..

Hence why Saudi is a barbaric hell hole and will continue to be a barbaric hell hole.

In the tweet I got it said 1 day.

but it's THEIR view, not yours.

Miss Mimi

Previous knowledge of what?

Of The Penal system in Saudi Arabia

What excuse can their possibly be to hang dead men from cranes for young children to see?

Is it Just about the Children who sees this, what is better for this child to see this or to be killed from another criminal, why we closed our eyes on the main thing here.

"Robbers and criminals had been punished".

We've disagreed on this topic before and will continue to do so..

Crime and punishment is a major topic in the UK at present. People are fed up of light sentencs and criminals getting away whilst the victim suffers.

As i said, It all depends on the society itself. In the UK, dead bodies on cranes for a day would not be acceptable. However, in Saudi and other countries they are and would be.

So what are the elders going to say? That violence is ok. Revenge is acceptable. Hanging people is perfectly normal.

There is nothing of value that any parent can teach from showing their child a hanged headless body. Unless the parents want their children to be violent.

It doesn't say in the article. But any amount of time is too long. The public does not need to see beheaded hanging bodies.

Brit: would u?

I second flor..

SA: for one day.

in this case, the message should be relayed by the elders to their children. Good for you, you were born of another nationality, country and law.

are kept hangging?

So you'd be perfectly ok with dead bodies hanging around the UK Brit?

100's of years ago when this type of behaviour was the norm in the West, life was much more violent, because this teaches that violence is acceptable. It barbarism.

LLR: No wonder this part of the world is such a mess.

wise words Iamthexxx

I dont have a kid but If I have I would take him there and show him and will tell him "My son this is what happens if kill someone" I want my kid to be brave and thoughtful.

and where is it mentioned anywhere that the 'Children' were seeing the hanged bodies ?

LLR:Dead daggling bodies are the last thing a child wants to take his/her lessons from.

Prison term is no fun. Killing is instant and the pain lasts only a few seconds or minutes.

Life in prison is a lot more cruel and difficult. Imagine sitting in a box for your entire life. Thats lot more punishing than beheading.

This is just my opinion though!

Excuse ?

Why do they need an excuse. The government is sending a clear message to all that such crimes are opunishable by death. In some societies children are not mollicoddled as in others. If parents don't want them to see such a thing, then they can protect them for a day.

When all are equal before the law and they behead members of the Royal Family for serious crimes then I will support such punishment.

I think most kids would just have nightmares or think that violence is perfectly acceptable.

Being a youngster or a kid I would definitely make my mind that I would never ever kill someone.

Previous knowledge of what? What excuse can their possibly be to hang dead men from cranes for young children to see?

I think the people who don't know about the whole Topic shouldn't comment, cause this was after a long process.

Anybody will read this with no previous knowledge will say "Stone-minded" or "Barbaric" or "We can't solve crime by another".

So please let's be Subjective.

Lucky I agree with you as I said forgiveness is the best option but still the term justice in human kingdom is very unique.

No brit modern people have lost those genes which provokes action you are talking about..:))

Barbaric.

LLR- I have no clue about saudi or what procedure they use, just random bits I read here and there.

The law should know better than to go and ask emotionally hurt people if they are choosing to forgive. Mostly likely if all happened in short time people will still be bitter...and not be willing to deal with the situation rationally. Hence jail, it's human nature to come to terms with issues of life over time period

Having witnessed a beheading first hand , I would suggest that it does act as a thought provoker and reality check.

LLR: not in this case.

When the court orders for headless corpses to be crucified/displayed in public, this kind of punishment is called “Tazir “.

In the Islamic law crimes such as (Armed robbery, multiple murders etc) are known as “doing mischief in the land”

hence in such cases it’s up to the Islamic Judge

to choose which type of “ Tazir”

is a suitable punishment.

The families of the victims shall have no say

in the type of punishment.

Thelonius ,,,, I didn't know what is the relation between the modern life style and this.

Anyway ,,,Your life ,, Your choices,,, Your rules.

My friend's brother was murdered - He has a small kid..I know how family reacts. Though in their country they have different laws but I still remember their words.."if they come out I will kill them like a dog and will put their flesh to eagles" (these were his brother's words).

If you have read the news the father of the girl in Delhi who was brutally raped by six asked court to hang the rapists in public.

I agree A killer doesn't think of being caught when he commits a crime! but this applies to those who emotionally lose their control and kill someone ,not for to those killers who plan for a while to kill someone.

Lucky gal, that's 'modern' thinking. You cannot expect this from people living 500 years back in time!

so if any one murders ur loved ones, u will pardon him..great modern thinking...thank god i love the 500 years old thinking

LLR: No one is saying criminals should be treated like rock stars.

But daggling dead bodies from cranes for the public to see is kinda 7th century way, when burning books beheading scientist was considered carrying out the Will of God..

Lucky - Forgiving is of course the best option. I am not sure you know the procedure they follow in Saudi.

Before hanging, court will ask the families of victims..

Blood Money is as popular as Hanging. Most of the family members dont forgive as human beings are more emotional.

It is easy to say but when practically it is more tougher than movies.

Sulieman ....a wrong for wrong wont make you feel better. If anyone murdered my child, killing him won't take away the pain and grief...simply forgiving will. That's why we have jails.

On the other thread and in many news papers Indians were shouting slogans to send Rapists to Saudi Arabia. :)

Instead of talking about the criminals why not we think about those people who were murdered and robbed.

Do you think those heads without bodies still have pain ? Nooo. but the families of murdered people have pain..

Of course you cant bring them back..but justice at least brings peace to the innocent victims and their families.

Thelo,, At least he will feel that there is a punishment and it will be a deterrent.

In a photo uploaded in Twitter, five men are seen hanging from a rope tied to their waists on a horizontal bar between two cranes. "It remains unclear whether they were beheaded or shot."

i think there is something wrong...normally saudi wont hang a person but behead...hanging is in iran and left hanging for the public to see

something somewhere wrong

good point

Suliman: They left the dead bodies dangling from cranes for a whole day, in a residential, public area. And you don’t expect children to see that?

MN -- It is simple don't take your children there

But i think every one saw that ,,,, learned a lesson.

lucky gal -- if one of them killed your son or daughter u won't ask about hearts again.

Lucky_gal : Google for the horrifying pictures, then you will know why I chose to make this thread.

MN why you obsessed with Saudi. I notice a series of threads mostly about Saudi.

As for execution, nothing is new there, just cruel people with no forgiving heart. Whatever happened to " let the one without sin cast the first stone".

"I mean from a last person of a land to the first person which is of course we dont see in most of other countries."...is it being practised in the country in reference. The story in context relevant to the country is right up there...thoughts!! Don't give me legal bs though...lets talk straight.

good work saudi

why left hanging...so that others learn from them not to do such crimes

Nothing beats the sight of some bodies with their beheaded heads dangling from cranes!

So nicely medieval (-:

I can’t see how the gruesome display of dead bodies is going to help raise awareness or set examples.

Would you want for your children to get used to looking at mangled bodies? I wouldn’t.

They hanged after trial and they have reason that they were murderers..They are better than US as they kill 100s of people just by suspecting them as militants and terrorists - no trial nothing just bammmpp.

However law and order is for everyone - I mean from a last person of a land to the first person which is of course we dont see in most of other countries.

Small drug dealers are caught and hanged and big drug dealers are billionaires.

In India gambling is illegal but IPL oh gosh.. well sorry for little hijack but all are relevant.

Marco, What are you expecting from Mr. Hague and HRW? They are not going to do anything in Saudi especially the guys were convicted for their crimes.

the Science of Politics! You keep dipping yourself on wrong places.

Marco,, what do you want

Is it like this?

Killing the murderers is Nonhuman act, we should call the Human Rights

Also we should start sending the criminals to Disneyland !!!

Everything is OK, but why would the bodies be left hanging...any particular reason?

MN he should be hanged as a warning to anothers. He has committed two crimes against Islam, murder and homosexuality. This reflects badly on the House of Saud and the Kind, who is the custodian of the two holy mosques.

If he wants to set an example this is perfect to show no one is above the law.

Flor many countries have punishments for their citizens when crimes are committed overseas even if what they did is not considered a crime in that country. I thought being a genius you would know that

I love Ql..

Post a topic and then divert to a side issue..

Scrab: He's returned already.

Scrab: I’d like to see the same punishment given to the prince who sadomized and murdered his servant in a London.

Luckily for him his royal statues got him out.

where was the crime committed?

by the way wots HRW ?

Horse Riding Women ? :)

Saudi executes a lot of people, even maids on dubious charges. Not many Saudis get executed. If they followed their laws the Saudi prince that murdered his servant in London should be hanged when he returns from his prison sentence but of course we know that won't happen.

This morning when i saw the pictures i felt sorry for the guys, because i didn't know what they did, there were pictures without any comment next to it.

Now i don't feel a bit sorry for them,, Salute for the Saudis, they should be hanged for a while, so the others can see and learn.

Well done the Saudis. These men were found guilty of murder and robberies.

Their land , their law.

in the books of Law, the punishment for murder is death !

problem? Unless they are INNOCENT!