When will this end?

Who are we talking here about 1) THE YEMENI GIRL OR 2) ABOUT OUR BELOVED PROPHET MARRIAGE TO BIBI AYESHA (R.A).

talking about the yemeni girl...Innalilah wa inna ilahi rajihoon...Blame the parents and the beast for it

Coming to our beloved prophet...One thing you all should know...Marriage is done legally after approval from both sides and both persons...Same way the marriage between our rasool and bibi ayesha took place..About the age Allah waalam or leave it to Allah (swt) as Allah know the right :)

What Rip said [ under 14 .... ] is very true ....

"If we look at the issue taking 614 as the year that Surah Qamar was revealed, Aisha would have been born at least eight years before the prophetic mission, or in 606. If we accept 618, then the year of birth would have been 610; this event alone makes it impossible for her to have been 9 when she married."

complete link:

http://www.islamicity.com/articles/articles.asp?ref=ic0811-3718

"This date refers to the early days of Islam. For it is known that Aisha's sister Asma, who was born in 595, was 15 when she became a Muslim [11]. This indicates the year 610, when the Prophet started to receive the revelation and this then shows that Aisha was at least 5, 6 or 7 that day and that she was at least 17 or 18 when she married the Prophet in Medina."

http://www.islamicity.com/articles/articles.asp?ref=ic0811-3718

PBUH when he got married to Aisha, I tell them look at these facts

Inna lillahi wa innailaihi rajioon

I support both MN and LLR It is totally parents responsibility to take care of there children untill there adulthood and guide them ............

"Ok so we are back to god speaks Arabic again......

Back to,the subject. Why does such a thing happen today and why do some people try to justify it? Even worse why does he govt of Yemen allow them to get away with it?

Read more: http://www.qatarliving.com/node/17687171#ixzz2eT6AlgNF"

Ok here is my reply, this also happens in Europe but without being married, and the under 14 pragnancy is a common problem there in the west, and I am personally against what this Yamani guy did and shame on him and more shame on her parents who agreed.

I strongly condemn such a barbaric act.

Parents and the so called hubby should be tried in court with multiple counts such as child abuse, third degree murder or Voluntary manslaughter etc .

Quran is a book a signs and signs are same for everyone regardless of what language they speak. Hence religion (Islam) is not man made or you can't show me a single similar man who did the same in 1400 years.

Aisha was at least nine or ten years of age at the time of betrothal, and fourteen or fifteen years at the time of marriage.

In Islam even watching small kids with lusty eyes is also haram.

When will this end? I second Marco.

MM: I don’t know what world you come from,.

But I will tell you this, in the world we come from, being fair= beinmg just.

Justifying child bride under any circumstances is not being just.

RC..I didnt want to say that but thats the basis of my comment.

I'm trying to be fair .... as always ...

With people like MM around I feel you may be right, always some around to justify the unjustifable.

In resposne to the title...I dont think it will end.

How long was he intoxicated for? months??!?!?

I'm worried seriously , brother ....

May be he was puposely intoxicated to get him involved in a such a disgraceful act ...

News never mentioned his side of views ...

Who cares what Ayisha's age was.... the bottom line is if a girl less than 18... or at least 16... it is a no brainer she should not be engaging in any sexual activities. Times have changed... and society has changed.... and religion should not be used to committ immoral acts... why would a grown up man need to sleep with a baby.. why would a 40 year old man need to marry an 8 year girl.. this is simply absurd... and criminal.

MM I really hope that was not a serious comment. What next will you say, she was really well developed for an 8 year old, she looked almost 12...

Again you're a disgrace

'' Al Bawaba reports over a quarter of young girls in Yemen are married before the age of 15 .... ''

Only in Yemen ?

Nothing is happening in France ?

Some years back there was a hue and cry about teenage pregnancies ....

There are so many major facts hidden in almost all the marriages ...

knows it's not mans fault ....

He might have been kept in dark [ about the age ] by the mediators or brides side ...

And Aisha had in fact also reached the age of puberty when their marriage was consummated. She was a woman not a child and certainly not eight years old!

And yes the government and the so called scholars must shoulder much blame for not disallowing such criminal acts taking place. To call this a marriage is itself a crime. For a marriage to be valid the girl must be of sound and mature mind and give her consent. What consent can a child of eight give?

What makes this case all the more painful to me is that this girl was the age of my daughter..very saddening indeed cos I know how innocent and trusting children of this age are!

My heart truly aches at the plight of this young girl. As a woman and as a mother of a daughter I can't imagine what drives parents to allow such marriages to take place.. Poverty and the lack of knowledge yes..but how bad must your situation be and how cold must be your heart that you give your daughters in marriage to such men knowing they cannot handle it.

And as for those who use Islam to justify it, they have no case. Because the marriage of our Prophet to Aisha was clearly an exception, such that our Prophet himself never permitted any of his companions from marrying such young women, as per authentic hadiths. Aisha was in fact blessed with maturity beyond her years.

i agree 100% with placol and maro your concepts are clear about islam.barakallah.

may she rest in peace.

what action are they gonna do to the husband?

parents should be punished as well.

People like you are hilarious. If the Quran was written in Arabic you're not satisfied. If it's written in English you're not satisfied. If it's written in Urdu you're not satisfied. Even if it was written in all languages you still wouldn't be satisfied.

The article doesn't say anyone was defending the husband :) Nor does it say if the husband is getting some sort of punishment. In my opinion it was also her families fault. They are the ones who forced a child into marriage.

RIP: cuz they're corrupt govts. I thought that was common knowledge.

Rip here is your proof that the Quran was not written by a man:

Ok so we are back to god speaks Arabic again......

Back to,the subject. Why does such a thing happen today and why do some people try to justify it? Even worse why does he govt of Yemen allow them to get away with it?

Rip if you knew Arabic and if you read the Quran you would very well know it was NOT written by a man. The Quran uses extraordinary language, language that is impossible to be written by an illiterate man. The feeling I get when I read the Quran is indescribable, the Quran is a miracle, it's the way I KNOW that I am on the right path.

Palancole check ur inbox

I get the feeling that this thread is going to be axed and very soon hehehe :P

Prove man created religion? He wrote the books!

RIP, Marco answered your first question beautifully. To answer your second question I will say: We can't believe EVERYTHING, not anything. And yeah, Man Poisons Religion (with Satan being his agent)...because man did not create religion. prove to me Man created religion. When I say religion, I don't mean football.

(: Palacole: you're welcome akhi!

RIP there are some controversial hadiths where each one says something different than the other, and the scholars don't agree with each other. These ones we should avoid. On the other hand there are authentic hadiths which all scholars agree on, those ones we can trust their validity.

Thanks Maccessory! Thanks Marco! It is such an insult to the very person of this Great Man who ever existed. God be praised!

Please non-Muslim Qlers, do not let yourself be tempted to believe Mohammad was a paedophile as many are saying or trying to prove online on various websites with this story of a 6 yrs old girl. Do your research. Do not be gullible and accept everything you see or hear. Do not look up at some Muslims behaviour from some remote tribes of some backward countries. Child abuse is Unislamic and against the spirit of Islam and any other religion for that matter. Period!

So we can't believe anything the hadiths say?

RIP: Back to your question.

when will this end? hmm, As far as the Muslim world is concerned, child abuse (child bride ) will end when

1- Muslim govt's man up and make serious laws towards banning the practice of child marriage and hand out some serious punishments people who break that.

2-When Muslim scholars from around the world decide to speak up and come out with the truth.

Marco, thanks...Thanks a lot. This is what I was,am fighting and will fight for. 16/19 yrs old, I am OK with that as girls have passed puberty age by then.I married my wife when she was 19. It is high time, some of us join forces and urge our scholars to seriously address this issue as this is the main issue some 'Islamophics' bring on the table. As a result of this Islam takes the rap.

Palancole you are absolutely right. No one has evidence of her exact age at marriage nor if there were others who married 6 year-old girls. I bet the hadiths that say she was 6 years-old when she got married were just made up to pervert the image of the Prophet and Islam simultaneously.

But as it says in the Quran: Their intention is to extinguish Allah´s Light (by blowing) with their mouths: But Allah will complete (the revelation of) His Light, even though the Unbelievers may detest (it).

that said this commonly agreed upon totally false notion of her being 9 years old based on the only one reported tradition that says so is not only totally erroneous but also a great insult by Muslims to the very person of the prophet himself.

Palancole/suliman:

In fact there's a great misunderstanding on the many Muslim scholar's part as well as a wide section of Muslims when it comes to the age of Aisha to the prophet being at the age of 9 which had led to the belief that child marriage / child bride is is OK in Islam.

However, this unfortunate popular opinion goes straight against some serious historical facts as well as a bunch of other authentic Islamic traditions that if studied in-depth will actually reveal Aisha was at least 16-19 years of old when she married the prophet.

This is not about prophet Mohd. It is about child abuse and murder today and those justifying it.

Sulie!!! Allow me the pleasure to introduce you to the British Driving. At least for one hour!

Yes, we are not arguing. I believed, believe and will believe that prophet Muhammad had INDEED treated his wives very nicely. And I will be the FIRST one to believe he was NEVER a Child abuser and that Ayesha was his favourite wife.He was the BEST of men.

RIP, I very much share your disgust!These people are the same as ANY paedophile.

Palancole,,, First of all thanks for the offer, It is more than enough that you just think of it, I appreciate that, Thanks a million.

Back to the topic

My friend, we are not arguing, different points of veiw, anyone can be right, we might be unsure also about the age, but the point is there were no child abuse, and she was our prophet favorite wife (As mentioned in prophet Mohammed's biography, and all our prophets wives were very satisfied about the way they have been treated by him.

Maccessory, I like your comment. This is what I mean. I read from some religious sources Ayesha was 19 when she was married. I like your use of the word 'perhaps'. Within 200 years of his death or before, none of the followers of Mohammad or their progeny has been reported of doing same. WHY? WHERE ARE THE SIMILAR FACTS EVIDENCE?

What we need is a meeting of world's scholars to address this issue and prove beyond reasonable doubts that Ayesha was 6 when she was married. Then go on a global course of informing people. I bet not too many scholars would like this idea of mine.

MAN POISONS RELIGION!

Man created religion so of course it is man that poisons religion.

The thing that disgusts me is not the child being married to a 40 year old which is pretty disgusting but Islamic scholars saying it is unislamic to ban such marriages. These people are the same as the catholic paedophiles in my opinion

Poor thing. May she rest in peace. The idiot must be prosecuted for murder or at least manslaughter.

Governments need to stand firm and not just enact, but also enforce laws to protect such vulnerable youngsters.

'Man poisons religion, not the reverse'..great counter to rip's signature indeed..and again, with this story, it is Islam which will take the rap..none will bother to find out what the religion says about a husband's and wife's rights over each other..none will consider how the Prophet treated his wives..none will see that man as a cruel one who in his lust cared none for that girl..none will call that family depraved for doing that to their own daughter..no..they'll see it as a perverse Muslim plotting with an ignorant Muslim family to exploit a little girl..they'll see him as only following a Prophet who had sex with a 9 yr old girl..just fills one with a wistful sadness and helplessness

Palancole there are many different viewpoints on the age Aisha was when she was married, some scholars even say she was 15 at the time. There's too many different views no one can be sure of how old she was. But the important thing is that she was considered a consenting adult having hit puberty and no one forced her into marriage. Back then it was also a tradition to marry off girls at a young age so perhaps they were more "mature" in terms of physical structure and mentality.

Sulie, I do respect your right to believe. I believe Ayesha was young when she married. I am not arguing with you about this. I am just putting my point of view regarding the age. How easy it is for Satan to tempt even the wisest man to insert/forge/ or tell a lie about the Greatest man on Earth. Satan tempted so many as to divide the religion then. How easy it is for him to have so many lies fabricated against Mohammad!

A religion that fought for women's right and child infanticide cannot promote child abuse. It does not make sense.

Whenever I read something like this, it makes my heart cry and I just pray Almighty safeguard everyone innocent and truthful.

Sulie, this is what we read. This is what they want us to believe. I believe the age of Ayesha was forged or inferred from various narrations. Why would Physical structure and Maturity be different between then and now? I see kids of nowadays more mature than I was. Do a timeline and look at the times each Imam and Hadith collectors appeared and the gap between them and ask your conscience if there is not a slim chance that many Hadiths have been forged. Can anyone prove beyond reasonable doubt that Ayesha was 9 when she had sex?

BTW, I wish you good luck for your driving lessons. If you want my help, I can let you drive my car free of course. I will teach you some British Driving Skills.

Sad news, May she rest in peace

Palancole ,, It is for sure that prophet Mohammad -Peace and blessings be upon him- married "Ayesha" in the age of 7 and slept with her at the age of 9.

“It is reported from Aisha that she said: The Prophet entered into marriage with me when I was a girl of Seven … and at the time [of joining his household] I was a girl of nine years of age.”

And she didn't face any problems, knowing that their Physical structure and Maturity were different and happen in a younger age, and she stayed alive after the prophet death.

My question is: Why on earth would they make babies when they know they cannot afford it?

I read how people are criticising Islam and ridiculing prophet Muhammad on various websites. Let God burn me in Hell, I will never believe Mohammad had sex with a 9 year old girl, no matter how many hadiths them Scholars bring forward. Let's test those hadiths in a court of Law based on the Law of Evidence.

They lied about Muhammad and forged hadiths to support their vile intentions. How many Scholars are aware of it and kept quiet. Mods, if you want to ban me from QL, so be it. I will say what others are afraid to say.

RIP, Man poisons religion, not the reverse as you wrote in your signature line.