are qataris too stupid to drive?
last night at 10pm on the roundabout on M. Khalifa at the burger king, some loser in his full size GMC pickup came shooting through the middle lane doing almost 60-70 kph. he almost smashed into me (in my relatively small mazda) and had to jerk to the right quite hard to avoid me, which caused him to almost smash into the car on his right. this was with a fair bit of traffic every which way but loose, and in a roundabout.
seriously - what the hell is wrong with people here? i understand that driving in egypt is terrible, but you can explain that by the fact that many people there are poor, and uneducated. what's the excuse here? i remember when drunk driving came to the forefront in the 80s in canada. people mobilized, wrote letters to the government, started organizations like MADD, and here we are 25 years later and DUI is such a morally repugnant thing to canadians that most would not dream of doing it. aside from a few signs saying enough, what are qataris doing to stop these idiots who are just too stupid to drive?
this reminds me of star trek and their prime directive... species that are given technology without having developed it themselves often lack the intellectual maturity to use that technology wisely. is that what is happening in Qatar?
or is there something else at play? my wife worked on development projects in egypt and they have a relatively high rate of people with disabilities because of inbreeding. do they have this problem in qatar?
there must be something to explain how a people with such riches who can afford second-to-none quality of education can be like this.
and let's be honest - i'm not claiming that every qatari is a danger behind the wheel (and yes i also know that many non-qataris on doha's roads are a menace), but a shockingly large proportion of them are.
money alone doesn't cut it IMHO - until these people start acting civilized this place will be nothing more than a developing country with nicer buildings.
forgive my rant, but when a loser almost drives his truck into the side of my car where my pregnant wife is sitting for no bloody reason at all, it pisses me off!!!
and during ramadan of all times... i thought ramadam was supposed to be a time of humility and refletion. how is driving around like a maniac and putting peoples lives in danger a sign of humility?
from the bottom of my heart - i honestly believe that as a society Qatar is not doing enough to protect its citizens and workers. if i were qatari, i think i would be ashamed.
they don't care about anything.....
I'm sure people would still figure out a way to drive camels wrecklessly, or speed!
"I fight with love and I laugh with rage, you have to live light enough to see the humor and long enough to see some change." Ani Difranco
I just arrived home, shocked that I'm still in once piece after being on the roads here...the aggressiveness on the roads (regardless of nationalities) has to stop...a good place to start is to shock the hell out of people by putting up explicit billboards showing the consequences of aggressive driving!!
Those puppies are so cute!!
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aisha, not just because they're driving "this" kind of vehicle entail which country they're from.
that's just .. hilarious! classifying them based on the cars they're driving?? And not because they're Indian, Sudani, etc means they drive very bad.
wow. i was really annoyed by your post. im not any of those nationalities you mentioned but it was really pure judgment without thinking that you just let out.
im glad im leaving doha. yay!
Now back to the post in question.
The definitive answer to 'are qataris too stupid to drive' is.....
yes, some are.
You just what to see France lose to Ireland
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
I'll stop using your other names
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nice try scratch.
speaking of someone with a good level of education, is there any other names you want to call me?
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:D :D :D :D Okay all, I'll give a fiver for the first one to say " I'll crush you under my shoe like an insect" .....:D :D :D Its like time has stood still, its hilarious....Oops...I think I've wet myself!
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
You are still failing to answer the questions that cornered you!
When you develop a brain & be able to have a decent level of education to handle a discussion, reply the questions, see your problem of drinking & driving, then maybe...just maybe...I might consider your last paragrapgh.
I earlier gave you 3 points why you seem not to have any logic in whatever you say. Better read them slowly & work on improving your educational & mental levels. Just a friendly advice!
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nice try scratch.
you argue like the average qatari drives. you go in circles and contradict yourself.
you haven't even addressed my original post aside to argue that we have a DUI problem in the west, which is false.
since you brought the west into this, let's finish this discussion after you actually spend some time in the west so that you don't appear so ignorant.
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"Even a stopped clock gives the right time twice a day." Withnail & I
you are contradicting yourself because you lack logic. You still haven't been able to reply lots of questions I asked you.
In case you are not being able to read, I did discuss some issues with gypsy here.
If I argue like a child, you need to develop a brain & have some logic in the issues you raise.
If I did not object to the claims that driving is lousy here, you should grow up to realize the problem of drunken drivers.
Again, I earlier gave you 3 points why you seem not to have any logic in whatever you say. Better read them slowly & work on improving your educational & mental levels. Just a friendly advice!
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you're funny alfred. you remind me of scratch - constantly going after the nut but never quite able to get there.
you argue against yourself - i start a discussion about qatar driving, then you bring in the west, and now you criticize me for taking up your lead on using the west in our debate. you are all over the place.
you argue like a child. and BTW, you still haven't addressed anything in my original post, aside to argue that we have a DUI problem in the west, which is false.
again, let's finish this discussion when you actually spend some time in the west so that you don't appear so ignorant.
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"Even a stopped clock gives the right time twice a day." Withnail & I
If you have no clue what every nation dress or how they are supposed to look then don't go bashing innocent people. If you have no clue that not all arabs wear thobes & guttrahs then don't go stating that "EVERY ARAB" has a death wish in Ramadan. In general, it is wise not to generalize. It was wiser of you when you talked about men in thobes & guttrahs. These don't have to be all Qataris. They could also be from other Gulf Countries or other few arabs who like to wear this outfit. But it definitely doesn't mean EVERY ARAB. It would have been acceptable if you said "those men wearing the arabic outfit have a death wish"
If you think that all arabs wear that outfit, and that they have death wishes, that means every drunken driver who is not wearing that outfit is a westerner.
withnail:
You are very funny & stupid withnail to ask someone to spend time in the west in order to finish a discussion about the driving manners in Qatar!
So would you ask people to live in Antartica in order to discuss your problems with the driving in Canary Islands?
I earlier gave you 3 points why you seem not to have any logic in whatever you say. Better read them slowly & work on improving your educational & mental levels. Just a friendly advice!
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classic port alfred!
you've compared criminal behavior in the west to dangerous driving in qatar. you've pretended to be an expert in on western culture when you have probably not spent one day in west. don't get all pissy now because i am calling your bluff.
like i said, let's finish this discussion after you actually spend some time in the west so that you don't appear so ignorant.
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"Even a stopped clock gives the right time twice a day." Withnail & I
Well it's a damned if you do or damned if you don't situation right. If I had said Qataris people would have said "You're generalizing, how do you know they are Qatari." If I has said Gulf Arabs I would have heard "You're generalizing, how do you know it is just Gulf Arabs, ther are lots of Arab nationalities here." So I said Arabs and I get "You're generalizing, How do you know if they are Arabs" All I can say is that the people driving like maniacs do not to me resemble people of Meditterean origin or Indian or Pakistani or Nepali or Phillipino or Chinese or bloody Martian. They look Arab, whereever they are from. Perhaps next time I will drive them off the road and politely ask for their passport.
"I fight with love and I laugh with rage, you have to live light enough to see the humor and long enough to see some change." Ani Difranco
to ask someone to spend time in the west in order to finish a discussion about the driving manners in Qatar!
So would you ask people to live in Antartica in order to discuss your problems with the driving in Canary Islands?
I earlier gave you 3 points why you seem not to have any logic in whatever you say. Better read them slowly & work on improving your educational & mental levels. Just a friendly advice!
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you're funny alfred.
let's finish this discussion after you actually spend some time in the west so that you don't appear so ignorant.
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"Even a stopped clock gives the right time twice a day." Withnail & I
I do like the slight sarcastic tone in your reply, keeps me wondering lol
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
What a brilliant & amazing extention! And the wonderful thing about it is that it is not personal & is related to the topic!
Wow! this post of yours is a great reference to your genuis brains & mentality, and the healthy environment you were brought up in!
Thank you for adding so much value to this thread!
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Is this where you got your user name from?
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I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
this argument getting petty now ...
"you claim that you were responding to gypsy yet you were arguing against her points in posts addressed to me."
So when you are talking to me, no other member has the right to remark on either of our comments?!
You have to know what exactly you want here!
You told me that I should direct my questions to Gypsy, I told you that I did. My questions were directed to her in the 1st place. Then you claimed that I have directed the questions to you later. I told you it was because you interefered & started objecting when I was asking Gypsy some questions! Now you are claiming that Gypsy was talking to you & that I had no right in asking her questions about her comments. Can you see how silly your logic is sounding?
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Now you are starting to be more specific & talking about thobes & guttrahs! Which doesn't mean all arabs. Remember my 1st post here? I said that I emphasizing on your "every arab"! When you say "every arab" you are also including those who don't wear thobes & guttrahs! That's why I was wondering how you can identify them from being Lebanese, Syrians, Turkish, Iranians, Greeks (all of which don't wear thobes & guttrahs)
As you see, I was being very specific. I was not objecting, or debating any claims about the lousy driving in Qatar, in Ramadan or in anytime of the year. I was only asking you how have you managed to conclude that "every arab" had a death wish.
Thank you for your clarification.
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It is arabs that seem to drive worse this time of year, or at least the people who wear thobes and guttrah and drive large land cruisers...I mean I suppose some Greek or Turkish guy could be wearing thobes, but I always associated that with Gulf Arabs.
And for some reason the craziest driving seems to be after 8pm. So by then everyone should have eaten and shouldn't be in a rush to go and pray or eat. Which is why I'm wondering if these people in thobes have a death wish this time of year.
"I fight with love and I laugh with rage, you have to live light enough to see the humor and long enough to see some change." Ani Difranco
you don't have the right to take the moral high ground since you started being condescending. if you dish it out you need to take it too - it's part of being a mature adult (as is self evaluation - something else you have issues with).
like i said, let's finish this discussion after you actually spend some time in the west so that you don't appear so ignorant.
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Now you are starting to sound silly & low. I think I touched a nerve there when I told you it is OK if you keep ignoring that racist statement. Now you are not only ignoring it, but supporting it. So you are actually supporting me about the western racism.
If you wish to divert this topic to discuss western racism, I don't mind. We can start talking about how the blacks were treated in North America.
I have asian friends here (Jordanians, Syrian, Fillipino, Malaysian, Japanese, Koreans, Iranians, Turkish) and I never heared them complaining about being mistreated in Qatar.
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given the poor level of debating skills you have displayed, your attempt to be condescending is very amusing.
you claim that you were responding to gypsy yet you were arguing against her points in posts addressed to me.
i can not dumb down my position any further - i guess you'll never get it and as such you'll never be a part of the solution.
i hope that as time passes people like you become the minority or else this country will never improve.
let's finish this discussion after you actually spend some time in the west so that you don't appear so ignorant. canada is far less racist then any muslim country i have been to - given how badly most asians are treated here i am suprised you would even bring up racism. you really don't know much about qatar, do you?
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"Even a stopped clock gives the right time twice a day." Withnail & I
If you don't like the way I drive, stay off the sidewalk.
At last someone is starting to understand & be fair!
Facts:
1.Gypsy's comments were sweeping
2.I was directing the questions to her NOT TO WITHNAIL. it was 1-on-1. No one but gypsy needed to answer
3.Her comments were a diversion from the topic of the thread. This is why I interfered when withnail failed to notice that.
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It seems you need repetition in order to understand some things:
My 1st post was to gypsy. Who asked you reply back??? And now you come to tell me to direct my questions to gypsy? See? If you can't handle the basics of a discussion then it will be impossible to have a discussion with you.
OK, let me put it in simpler words, maybe you'll understand this time; I asked gypsy some questions about identifying arabs who she clames that every one of them has a death wish in Ramadan. You can either ignore the post because it is not directed to you, you can answer me about ways of identifying those arabs, or you can be brave enough to confess that westerners (like gypsy) always have a biased attitude by using such racist statements like those. But instead of all that, and although I NEVER denied lousy driving in Qatar, you started claiming that I am denying the negatives in Qatar and that I should direct my questions to gypsy!!! You need to lighten up in order to handle a debate!
As I said, I never denied your claims, so let's hope that someone like you would also be brave enough to spot the negative aspects of the west...things like racist & biased attitude against other cultures & nations. And things like drinking & driving WHICH IS A CRIME ACCORDING TO THE LAW THERE, yet it is a way of life. (the ONLY colleagues of mine who had car accidents here under alcohol effect where westerners)(their passports & embassies helped them, instead of a powerful uncle)
I do appreciate your apology about "rubbish" initiated by Juan (which you missed in the begining) and I hope that this simple incident help you realize that there might be other things that you have missed in the begining.
I would have never posted anything in this thread if you guys where purely discussing the lousy driving in Qatar because I am fair & I don't dare deny it, but "every arab has a death wish in Ramadan" is something different. (It's OK withnail, if you keep avoiding this statement & neglect declairing your opinion in it)
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was rather a sweeping statement and PortAl's query, pasted here below, was quite valid.
"I know that when you are referring to "this time of the year" and "Ramadan", you are pointing out Muslims fasting & trying to get home quickly, but how can you tell that they are Arabs? How can you tell an Arab from a Pakistani? An Egyptian (Arab) from a Turkish or an Iranian (who are not Arabs, but Muslims, thus related to Ramadan), from a Lebanese (who is an Arab but could be a Christian, thus not related to Ramadan), from a Greek, from a Tunisian...etc?"
However, this wasn't what withnail meant the thread to be about, and a 'red herring' took over. As withnail said, it's a one-to-one issue between PortAl and Gypsy and digresses from the point he wishes to discuss.
That's all ... just hope everyone gets to where they need to go safely today and always.
you mentioned gypsy's comments in more than one reply to me, and you even bring it up again. if you don't like what she said then you deal with it - that is what debating is all about.
as for rubbish mind, someone else brought it in - if it wasn't you then i apologize.
as i said, you are talking apples and i am talking oranges.
i have to go now - i am honest in my claim that i look forward to debating you but you need to raise your game.
drunk driving is criminal in the west. dangerous driving is the norm in doha. i honestly don't understand how you can not see that.
self reflection, self assessment - i think you would be a better person with some of it, and this would be a better country if people were able to be honest with themselves.
i hope one day you will arrive to this point, and then we can have a real discussion about the failings of the west (DUI is not one of them). but again, it would help if you actually live there first so that you would know what you are talking about.
have a nice day.
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of 'throwaway lines', will they, or at least prefer not to take them as such and twist and turn them simply to cause mischief.
And I was the first to use the word 'rubbish' because of exactly that, and it was to ME that PortAl directed his 'rubbish mind' comment, withnail simply followed it through.
Lunchtime here. Byeeeee
1.If you go to my 1st post, you'll find that it is directed to gypsy. I never directed that post to you. Yet you say: "if you take exception with something gypsy said take it up with her"!!!
2.In all my other post to you, I emphasized that I am not objecting to your claims. Yet you say "i don't see why some people can't say "yes this is wrong with my home""
3.So far I was discussing things with you in a respectable manner and never said one bad word to you. Yet you say "then it is you who has a rubbish mind"
These 3 points proves that you are failing to see the facts, that you are mentally not prepared for a wise discussion, and that all the rest of your statements are biased & rubbish, specially when it comes to politics in the Arab countries. You are lacking a lot of education to help you open your mind.
Discussing the driving manners of some lousy drivers in Qatar (while forgetting the amount of drunken western drivers) is one issue. But racist statements like "every arab has a death wish in Ramadan" is another issue. You would have seemed like a person with brains if you have pointed that out to her.
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i figured she was a he but since his bio said she i went with that.
i've heard other stories like yours. i would venture a guess that he would not. sounds like how i used to act when i was 8.
i saw a SUV hit someone that was stationary on the same day that the truck almost him me. the car stopped and was stopped for 3 seconds and the SUV almost came to a stop, and then all of a sudden it jerked forward and hit the car. it was weird. not sure if the guy slipped off the brake and hit the gas by accident, or what.
but it kills me that a person would not accept responsibility for something so obvious. did this person not realize that denying blame for his actions would make him look like more of an idiot than hitting a stationary car?
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"Even a stopped clock gives the right time twice a day." Withnail & I
'She' is a he! He has been posting on here and banned in many guises. Its sport alright but kinda like shooting fish in a barrel. :D
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
There is a myriad of reasons that the standard of driving here is so low (although its not the worst I've experienced). But the main reason IMHO is that people don't take responsibility for their own driving.
Last month I was rear ended (oh missus!) in a taxi by an elderly Qatari gentleman whilst we were stationary for a least 5 seconds. Ourselves and 3 cars in front were waiting in a queue for a truck to turn left as the car slammed into the back of us.
The Qatari gentleman was very polite and civil but was telling the police that it was the truck's fault for stopping. This occurred in daylight on a long straight road crossing the desert with only these 5 vehicles insight. He just could not or would not accept that he wasn't looking where he was going.
As you said, to look at yourself critically is to learn from your mistakes and puts you on the path to improvement.
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
she isn't doing too well in this thread either...
start a new thread with a catchy title - then she'll see it at the top of the list.
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sorry to hijack but Port Alfred taking the moral high ground here made me laugh out loud.
and then asking over and over the same questions.
In a previous thread Port Alfred implied the holocaust did not exist but when questioned didn't respond. Thought I'd give her another opportunity to explain her unusual views.
start a new thread mate. it will be more visible for a start, and this thread is not about holocaust deniers.
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maybe you're right, but it's a shame we can not debate things in a logical way. i don't see why some people can't say "yes this is wrong with my home".
you can't fix a problem if you don't acknowledge it (maybe AA would be good for more than just drunks). i've lived in 2 muslim countries and 6 western countries. i know what we do wrong, and i will openly admit to it and talk about it because that's the only way to make things better.
i guess some people prefer living with their heads in the sand (westerners are drunks, westerners cause all the violence in the world... )
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you ask the same questions over and over but never answered mine from the other thread. I would like to know so I can make a judgement on the value to take from your ideas.
Do you think that the Nazi gas chambers and the holocaust where around 6 million jews were killed did not happen?
you'll have upset him now, be ready for a torrent of personal abuse coming your way. Plus the droning on continuously about western drunk drivers ad naueaum.
Good luck, but at least it's some sport. :D
to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
first, if you take exception with something gypsy said take it up with her.
second, if you are comparing a criminal act like DUI in the west to a general behavior (bad driving) in Qatar, then it is you who has a "rubbish mind" as you put it.
murder is wrong. if a murder happens and society punishes it, then that society proves its commitment to reducing this wrong and protecting its people. DIU is wrong and the west has proven its commitment to reducing it. what is qatar doing about its dangerous driving? aside from people like you saying it is acceptable because a few people drive drunk in the west, i don't see much happening.
also, 2 wrongs don't make a right. if you want to argue about something completely different to what i originally posted (general bad behavior and one society's tolerance of it versus criminal acts and the extraordinary lengths another society will go to to stop it) then start a new thread. honestly, if you can't see the difference between the two then something is not right.
and while i don't agree with US or western policy in the middle east, don't blame that for all the violence in this region. there are plenty of examples of arabs killing arabs without our help. mankind in many parts of the world has an obsession with violence - that includes westerners and arabs. this goes back to mature people and cultures being able to self assess their strengths and weaknesses - something you don't seem too good at. i accept my society's faults. i hope that one day you will too.
i welcome the opportunity to debate issues with you in the future but you need raise your game. sticking to the topic and addressing the points raised in the original thread is one such way of doing this.
there are many things wrong with western society, but bad driving is not one of them. there are dangerous drivers in the west, but as a society we go go great lengths to punish them. you have obviously never lived in a western country because if you did you would see the difference immediately. speaking about things you know of is another way of raising your game.
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I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
*whispers* Never heard the expression "let sleeping dogs lie"?
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morning dude how is the weekend
If you can't change your fate, change your attitude.
how is the paella coming about i am a fan of paella btw did u get your hand on the griddle
If you can't change your fate, change your attitude.
Gin and Tonic
'Our freedom is but a light that breaks through from another world'
Am i missing something...whats G&T...
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Is that G&T your talking about or just tonic?..LOL
I'm downloading the 1st episode, season 3 of Prison Break.....oh I've been waiting months for this!!!
'Our freedom is but a light that breaks through from another world'
Champ...its been 12 hrs on QL and u r already on rantings and ravings...now this is a good start indeed...i m fine thanks doin alrite...jus got off a light drink so doing even better...u can feel when the tonic goes into u...u feel uptight...LOL...so whats happenin...
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Thank you ksarat16...I'm crusty so just ignore me...enough of my ranting and ravings....how are you?
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Looks like there is 1 lady out here...
Hummers...welcome to QL girl...and how u doing at this time of the day...and morning to u...so wats this early morning brawl...on QL...
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then you need to know more than a few, man!
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Dont know if any girls are awake at this time round...in this thread...if u r...then morning to u also ...
Take it easy ppl...its Driving good cards, good roads...take care of urself...u r the only who can see everyone else is blind out there...
U shud be fine with this idea in ur brains...i m sure all of u have got a lot of that...
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Actually I know a few Iranian and Palestinian Arabs who wear the traditional gear as they have lived here their whole life but are not Gulf Arabs. I can tell the difference straight away...don't believe me?
Really, you need to chill man...don't get so worked up.
Oh and did Gypsy mention drink drivers in HER original post...I think not..don't patronise me buster....khalas.....Happy Ramadan everybody!!
'Our freedom is but a light that breaks through from another world'
I can offer liking-spicy-food-rehab classes too...
Just kidding... Hummers I'm off to the kitchen for a bite of spicy and then to bed.
Gosh Qatar is a sh*t hole! I'm off to Dubai ASAIC.
G'Nite all!
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I guess it's like everything in life...moderation is the key to a healthy lifestyle...
Bennis when I was in Thailand I had Tom Yum Soup and bit into a tiny tiny green chilli which burnt my lips and mouth for 1/2 hour....turned me off hot/spicy food forever...tiny little sucker..grrr!!
'Our freedom is but a light that breaks through from another world'
I read somewhere eating spicy food is good for your health because it speeds up your metabolism, and helps extract toxins.. who knows.
Anyway I eat it for pleasure not for anything else...but again it should be in moderation not exaggeration like i do :)
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Guess Hummer her self is full of spice eeeeeeeeeeeeeeh :?
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I can offer Tabasco-get-used-to-it class if you're a newbie.
Really it will make your life healthier and much more exciting..imagine kissing someone spicy...
Hmmm spiceeyyy!
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You must be regular with all that chilli...takes me a year to get through one bottle of Tabasco....
'Our freedom is but a light that breaks through from another world'
Did you see me mention any gulf arabs in my previous posts? Did you explain that you were talking about gulf arabs? Did I ask gypsy how to recognize gulf arabs from other middle-easterners?
OK let me ask the question again, maybe you'll get it this time:
how can you judge that all those crazy drivers are arabs (specially muslims since we are talking about Ramadan, here)? How can you tell an arab syrian or lebanese or tunisian from a non arab iranian or turkish or greek? Understand now?
Also, I can show you lots of arabs (like Palestineans) in the traditional gulf gear & you'll NEVER know that they are not Gulf people
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G'd nite sleep.
Wish I could go to bed too, but I am still riding my night...
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Fire extinguishers ? That's for wussies!
I finish the small Tabasco (regular one) in 2 meal!
All it takes is a French baguette and some good olive oil solid Tuna.
Oh don't forget a some lemon juice and a little taponade spread.
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I was referring to the Gulf Arabs when they are NOT wearing their traditional gear..ummm....I can still tell they are from the Gulf....which part don't you understand?
'Our freedom is but a light that breaks through from another world'
Hub wasn't too well today, so I doubt we will be there tomorrow - he'll have to make do with my cooking instead. Maybe will try to get to the 5 October one.
Going to bed now. Night all xx
I Think not all the qataris are rude. You will find this problem in every country. So we can't say every man wearing same kind of dress is a really Qatari or any other national.
good night bennis, coolquietman and jauntie ... see you all tomorrow :D
Probably bump into you guys in Malaysian Food Bazaar.
might drop in with family if possible
bennis if so try tunisian or south indian food. but keep fire extinguishers ready...lol!!!
do it right - the first time!
Me love Tabasco and dark chocolate.
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you remind me of my other half ... tobasco freak :D
I always keep the big Tabasco bottle at my desk at work.
I guess they laugh about it, but I don't care :)
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depend what sorts of food you good. Yes this bazaar will be held in the embassy.
Friday, 21 September 2007 and 5 October 2007 at the Embassy of Malaysia's Complex from 2:00 p.m. to 4:00 p.m.
tell me something
is malaysian food spicy???
where s this stuff going to be held. at the embassy/??
do it right - the first time!
Humm
I never saw any Greeks, Turkish, Tunisians, Iranins, Syrians, Lebanese...etc wearing their traditional gear in their daily life here. What are you talking about?
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yes still up ... going to bed shortly though. Are you coming to Malaysian Food Bazaar tomorrow? Just in case if you or hubby miss malaysian food :D
Yep, seem to be! But shan't be for much longer ...
You are still up also?
u still awake?
I guess it's time to change the bong water for all of you here... :) Who's turn is it anyway ?
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Only rubbish brains see this as rubbish
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well, it's too early in the morning to be involved in one of PA's circular discussions, anyway. Have fun, I'm off to find a thread with a less monotonous contributor.
how was the rest of the evening.?
lets hijack this thread and bore these kiddies into going to bed
lol
hummer i ve sent you a pm in reply
do it right - the first time!
when someone claim that "every arab has a death wish" because various drivers (not necessarily arabs) drive like crazy here, then "every western has a death wish" when they drink & drive (even if it was a crime in the west). This is the logic of the statement from gypsy, and this is how the 2 issues are connected. Which part you exactly don't understand?
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My dad's better than YOUR dad !
Ooops that was for coolQ lol - I wasn't fast enough and 2 posts AT LEAST got in between.
Hey I can handle that.
I see the game now...hold on, who's the cop and who's the criminal again ?
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I could in a second..it's really not that difficult if you have spent time in the region...even when their not wearing the traditional gear.
Can you explain what drink driving in the west has to do with this thread? As withnail said, it is unacceptable in the west and can lead to manslaughter, years in jail- so I wouldn't be comparing the two!!
'Our freedom is but a light that breaks through from another world'
how can someone tell which are the arab muslims from the non-arabs non-muslims (Greeks) or non-arabs muslims (iranians/turkish) or arabs non-muslims (some Lebanese)...etc?
Why would someone say "every arab" has a "deathwish" in Ramadan?
You are right! The west does punish drunken drivers, but still the percentage is higher than here. I have had 3 western colleagues so far being involved in accidents in Qatar under the effect of alcohol! Can we say then that "westerners have a death wish all their life"? I don't think so! Because we are trying to be mature here, as you said!
I think that due to lots of injust western policy in the middle east, lots of occupation, killings, applied violence...etc, all this has resulted in excessive suicide bombers in this part of the world. You only harvest what you plant, you know!
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sure pal
you cant drive !
i dont want you to drive!
only i can drive!
i like to drive!
dont drive me crazy!!!
well in 5 yr old slang thats pretty much what we r talking about here lol
do it right - the first time!
Can anyone explain to me in 5 yr old words what we're talking about here ? Maybe I can contribute some...
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I guess you folks just broke the record for the thread with the biggest occurrences of the word "arab" in the world. What an award winning thread indeed. LOL
PortAlfred, BTW: Great observational sense that you got there :)
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if u want an honest debate look at all causes of accidents.
and again DUI is criminal deviant behavior in the west. there are more suicide bombers in the middle east than in the west. is it fair to judge all arabs because of them?
drink driving is unacceptable in the west, and our laws punish them severely. i don't see qatari law doing the same with reckless drivers here.
if all you have is a few drunks on our streets, then you have nothing. there are criminals here too. the fact that we punish DUI as criminal speaks volumes about our attitude towards it. the fact that qatar does nothing about it's road problem does too.
mature people are like mature cultures... both are able to realistically critique and assess themselves
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Actually that's our cult plan, your bear is supposed to sleep, while I am at guard, just in case :)
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Bennis you need to put your mind at rest! My bear is asleep since 4 hours
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I am not objecting to your claim that driving is not dangerous here, but:
how can someone tell which are the arab muslims from the non-arabs non-muslims (Greeks) or non-arabs muslims (iranians/turkish) or arabs non-muslims (some Lebanese)...etc?
Why would someone say "every arab" has a "deathwish" in Ramadan?
You also need to check the precentage of accidents of drunken drivers in the west, compared to the same here. Very big difference (keeping in mind that lots of the alcohol effect accidents here ARE by western drivers)
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I am afraid you bear and me belong to a secret cult in Qatar and you don't know about it. That's our sign of belonging to the hand-on-your-cheek cult :)
Gosh how can I invent all that. My mind power is so wasted :(
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Move your hand from your cheek! Only my bear does that! LOL
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the percentage of accidents per capita in the west is much less than here, let alone accidents from drunk driving.
and the incredibly small percentage of people who DUI in the west are social deviants. in qatar we are talking about a large percentage of normal qataris.
not the same thing at all.
DUI is socially unacceptable in the west - i would suggest you get some research material from after the 80s. dangerous driving in qatar seems like the norm.
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I think only businesses or locals can drive pickups. Isn't that the law?
I am just wondering how can someone tell which are the arab muslims from the non-arabs non-muslims (Greeks) or non-arabs muslims (iranians/turkish) or arabs non-muslims (some Lebanese)...etc?
Why would someone say "every arab" has a "deathwish" in Ramadan?
I also need to remind you that there are thousands of accidents in the "west" due to drunken drivers.
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drink driving is something most westerners do not do.
if you had spent any time in a western country, you would see how different it is.
people here can not drive, for the most part, and the facts support this claim.
and it is amazing how little humility these losers show during ramadan. i don't see the point of fasting only to act like a menace to society after that.
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Night
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
the way you deserve
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Don't start name calling & making troubles. I am not airsupply & I am just asking gypsy a question in order to understand
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Got the term 'racist' in in the first post - well done.
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
When you say: "Especially this time of year. I have started to wonder actually whether or not you get brownie points in heaven for dying during Ramadan, because every Arab on the road seems to have a death wish. I had just Withnails experience at 3 roundabouts in a row one night. And it is Arabs and especially Qataris...etc"
I know that when you are referring to "this time of the year" and "Ramadan", you are pointing out muslims fasting & trying to get home quickly, but how can you tell that they are Arabs? How can you tell an Arab from a Pakistani? An Egyptian (arab) from a Turkish or an Iranian (who are not arabs, but muslims, thus related to Ramadan), from a Lebanese (who is an arab but could be a Christian, thus not related to Ramadan), from a Greek, from a Tunisian...etc?
I'd like to emphasize here that you said "every arab"! I find that a "racist" statement. Have you ever considered the "death wish" of "western" drivers who are typically drunk & driving?
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Withnail ... long time no see :-)
Well done with the good news. I have no idea how many months of missus pregnancy ... i am sure you looking forward to take him/her to watch 'fantastic four' :D
I know how annoying and frustrating of your road experience ... few months back my husband nearly beat a karwa taxi up because this stupid driver try to over take him from the left while my husband tried to turn left with left indicator on. He drag the stupid karwa driver out and screaming at him. He only shake his head off and smiling ...
My daily school run in ramadhan become a really painfull ordeal for me ... amazing how many accident you see in the morning in 10 kms one way trip.
"I completely agree with Withnail. Especially this time of year. I have started to wonder actually whether or not you get brownie points in heaven for dying during Ramadan, because every Arab on the road seems to have a death wish. I had just Withnails experience at 3 roundabouts in a row one night. And it is Arabs and especially Qataris, I've been here long enough to be able to tell the difference. :P"
---> And you wondering why we keep ourself out from the road as much as possible during Ramadhan???????????????
"I had my little boy on the 6th of August! Han, glad to see you are around, thanks for remembering...
sorry I havent´got much time to type right now...you know what is like!
Hope to catch up soon x "
----> congrats with the baby boy. I guess you are happy for having one each now :D When you coming back to 'lovely Qatar' ??? Hope to catch up with you soon.
i was thinkg of you the past couple of days and wanted to mail you but didnt get around to it, so maybe we were to meet up on Ql here today so the entire process of mailing was being delayed.
hows the little man and how is your little girl taking to him.
6th aug is my mom's bday too.
how you doing?all well? are u in doha or in spain?
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I had my little boy on the 6th of August! Han, glad to see you are around, thanks for remembering...
sorry I havent´got much time to type right now...you know what is like!
Hope to catch up soon x
talking about babies, i just remembered butterfly would have had her baby boy a month back. havent heard from her either.
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no no, gypsy, no new baby, i said i wish i was off ql due to a baby, but no such luck.
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You have a new baby! What did you have? when?
"I fight with love and I laugh with rage, you have to live light enough to see the humor and long enough to see some change." Ani Difranco
thank you sweety.
i am grinning ear to ear.
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han...*mwah*mwah*mwah*(all over your face)..is that enough?...we really miss you...:D
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oh yah me is being gone for too long.
i wish it was because of a new baby but not so, its just work, no time to even take calls at work, so getting glued to my fav Ql is almost not an option and once home the kids hound me, so thats how its been going.
juggling work with home work, or trying to be super mom, which is getting too tiring now.
ramadan is like a mini break. thank God for small mercies.
nice to see you guys still at it.
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well its you who is missing guess you got one more kid :D
well we are all fine. and kung fu with Gypsy ah will forgive her :D
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You have been gone for a long time Han, where have you been?
"I fight with love and I laugh with rage, you have to live light enough to see the humor and long enough to see some change." Ani Difranco
finally someone noticed me here.
looks like i have been off the scene for too long.
i would love to see gypsy and darude engaged in kungfu.
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I am fully insured. But remember DaRude I know kung fu!
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good evening too han19 missing you a lot lately honey..:D
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The day i see you driving am going to rush from behind and bang ur car from behind, is it fully insured??
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hi to you too gypsy, long long time, how you doing?
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you happy about it darude or you complaining.
oh by the way, a big hi to owen and darude. how you doing?
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I completely agree with Withnail. Especially this time of year. I have started to wonder actually whether or not you get brownie points in heaven for dying during Ramadan, because every Arab on the road seems to have a death wish. I had just Withnails experience at 3 roundabouts in a row one night. And it is Arabs and especially Qataris, I've been here long enough to be able to tell the difference. :P
"I fight with love and I laugh with rage, you have to live light enough to see the humor and long enough to see some change." Ani Difranco
i got 30% males in my buddylist and rest 70% are all females. well well what can i say :D
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lets not generalise with nationalities here.
there are good and lousy drivers among all nationalities.
ramadan is a month of patience but the trafic situation is such that most lose their patience along with their sanity.
Withnail, i hope your wife didnt get hurt in this mess, surely she doesnt need it.it will take some time for traffic to reach some sort of semblance, lets see if the new traffic rules brings any change. i feel its very optimisitic that all will be treated equally wrt traffic offences.but..........
time will tell.
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huh hummers? darude a stud?????...oh yeah he is quite popular to ladies...he is a sleazy wolf sneaking on ladies..:P
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guess still didnot fade same old fame of QL Da Ru De with the highest points on QL :D oh man so many love me around :D
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You stud DaRuDe.....quite popular with the ladies hey ;) ;)
'Our freedom is but a light that breaks through from another world'
darudes' what with you that they always add you on their buddy list?..they should be warn the first place..guess that you have send them now PM's..right?
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Yesterday 3 new user joined QL and added me to their list and its only me still on their buddy list and guess what all females :D and they did send me PM too introducing themselves to me. am going to drag them in on main forum dont worry :D well well guess u know am on top right now :D
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darude n hummer
from your words it apeears you guys dont know each other but you are already on her buddy list!!!
fast work buddy!!! lol
do it right - the first time!
For being new let me greet you with some fists then if you really dont mind and if you do mind doesnot matter me i still will punch you :/
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Yes shock.....a new user to Ql...fancy that ladies and gentleman......
Have to agree with you on that one...the police will always turn a blind eye...have had it happen to several friends!
'Our freedom is but a light that breaks through from another world'
Who are you never seen you around hmm seems like a new user o QL hmmm welcome mind if i punch u bust ur nose wide open.
qatari driving skills well they do know nothing is going to happen to them even if its their mistake the police will say it was you who was wrong not them.
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i didnt know nationalities were allocated vehicles
i ve seen qat driving all kind of things ..from pick ups and pint sized cars to the more common killer cruisers.
it all depends how u were trained to drive
hummer damn and here i was thinking you d be a very slow driver..lol....silly me.....rofl
do it right - the first time!
Yeah and what about those British drivers Aisha? Really, do you think it's appropriate to pick on certain nationalities for bad driving?
Besides it's more fun to blame it on men :p
'Our freedom is but a light that breaks through from another world'
If he was driving a GMC pickup it was probably not a Qatari driving, but an Egyptian or other nationality. Soudani maybe. I think they are among the worst drivers. Indians too! Always watch out for pickups, lorries & buses.
Aisha-Taweela
Yeah I can see the new rules making a huge difference...LOL
If that meant me having smaller B*&^%$# I would be driving at 140km/h...;)
'Our freedom is but a light that breaks through from another world'
ya withnail
after the new traffic rules are implemented we can all meet here and crib again about how the new rules are being broken....lol
hummer i wonder about women who drive fast....do they.have small.....B...????
.... i i meant brains silly..you got a sick mind!!!.....lol.......jk lol
do it right - the first time!
Sure they do :p
lol
'Our freedom is but a light that breaks through from another world'
yeaa
no doubt
keep rockin!!
Ah, the old battle of the sexes. I found this today(see link below) and I'm still laughing. Try and make a carefully reasoned response, and no babbling now! j/k :D
http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=205342d958571e15558d
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
hummer all men at QL drive real slowwwwww!!!
lol
do it right - the first time!
by WHOM it was done! Withnail is right: intelligent highly educated and organized people usually just don't do it. Bad driving is showing stupidity and aggression of driver, it's clear.
Let's face it...men in general are crap drivers....you know the saying- they have to make up for their small &^%$#& by driving fast :p
'Our freedom is but a light that breaks through from another world'
He did not say that, he explicitly said that not all qatari's are road loonies and that people of other nationalities can also drive dangerously. It's a matter of proportion.
I don't go to mythical places with strange men.
-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.
i clearly said in the post that i know it's not only qataris. but usually the bad drivers in expensive trucks and cars are qatari.
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Are you saying that all the bad driving is done by Qatari's? I don't think so somehow.
Most of them just don't care at all.
Their way of thinking, "it's my land, my rules and you are just working here in our country to have a better life."