Violence against women in Qatar
This article was in Today's Gulf Times.
http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=186861...
Out of 2,778 female students surveryed at Qatar University (84% Qatari, 17% other) between the ages of 17 and 25, 63% have been beaten or experienced violence from male family members, there were 52 REPORTED cases of "Strong violence" including rape and 120 cases of sexual harrasment.
Over 50 women had attempted suicide because of the "culture of silence" that does not allow the women to report the assaults.
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"Somebody gonna get a beating" - LOL!
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My advice to you guys.
and stop relying on men. Only then will this cycle of violence will come to an end.
Being a Muslim I know that fathers normally dont say anything to their daughters but they do beat the hell out of their male offspring.
It's not clear from the Gulf Times story whether the woman was stoned to death, or whether it was an attempt to mask her identity after she had been killed. And it doesn't say she was a relation. But other than that, your summary of the article was completely accurate.
http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=187044&version=1&template_id=36&parent_id=16
Very true but I do think that empowerment of women has something to do with it. There is more to this than basic human rights. It is about equality and respect. These crimes happen all over the world, regardless of the society. I am talking about the reporting and management of them. I'm really sorry if you felt that I was "anti men", that was not my intention at all and I am sorry if I offended you. I also agree that the fight against this abuse is a not a womans fight, it for all of society to say that this is unacceptable. Divide of any kind is never good.
JJ............feminism gots nothing to do with it........its about basic human rights whatever gender. That here its to do with the abuse of women is one thing but generally the other abuses related to alien workers in Qatar is also a major problem.
The abuse of women is and the fight against it, is supported by a large number of males on this planet, although our gender is reponsible for this that doesn't shut us out of the fight against it.
That was cool, just as I was reading your post "Sisters are doing it for themselves" came on the radio! A little bit of feminism would go a long way here.
I think it's a massive step forward! Finally admitting that this kind of thing happens here can bring nothing but good. Read in the news today that 3 Qataris are going to trail for stoning to death a female relation. Hopefully it means these kinds of things will stop, or at least protections put in place.
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That's good. I used to see the same victims again and again and sometimes felt so helpless. What was interesting is that there was no "type" of person who presented. I think that anyone can become a victim of physical, sexual and, commonly, psychological abuse, regardless of their background. That said, we know that being exposed to violence in childhood can lead to violent behaviour in adulthood. One patient I cared for many times was also being monitored by Social Services because her little boy was displaying angry and aggressive behaviour at school. I do think that schools should be better equipped to pick up on this. Because it is such a huge thing to start reporting your concerns and knowing that your reporting may result in a family being seperated makes it a very hard thing to do. I do think that these kids should be helped before they repeat the cycle. BTW, I don't think that this is just a negative story Gypsy, the fact that it has been reported in the press here could be seen as a huge step forward. JJ
Jasmine Jasmine in Canada an arrest and conviction can be made without the wifes complaint or testimony if there is enough 3rd party evidence (especially from doctors) Unfortunatly most cops do still wait for the wife to make a complaint. :(
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Fair enough, sorry if I got it wrong.
It's called Freedom...
Some have it...
Some don't...
And the one's that have it want to keep it that way...
That's why they invented religion...
So they could justify it...
Unless you have separation of Church and State...
This is what you have...
One day the people will rise up against their own...
In stead of the United States...
One day they will figure it out...
I have no pity or sympathy for the abused...
They let themselves be abused...
God Bless...
You can't teach experience...
I need a beer...BRB
You can't teach experience...
Thats not factually correct. Up until my change in career I attended many Domestic Incidents in the UK. I cant speak for every Constabulary but if we were called to a Domestic and there were obvious signs of violence to a person, the arrest was made, complaint or not. You dont need a complaint to arrest for acts of violence. Prosecution is a different matter. This came from the top, where Bosses were concerned failure to act immediately would result in a second call later on with more serious consequences. ( Death or grave injury). What is true is that 90% of the time there would be no complaint forthcoming and the male ( because it usually is), would be released without charge the following day.
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I think that non of you mention boys ! How many percentage of young boys was under strong violence in Doha? If any one have some articles plz PM me.
Sorry am so sick of the attitude in this part of the world, I do believe it has nothing to do with religion. and should not be mix it with this big problem. EVERY ONE HAS A RIGHT. females or males, Humans or Animals. including plants. come on, its that hard to learn to respect everyone. I think they big problem here its the word respect. maybe its to complicated, to big, to hard to pronunciate, to hard to spell it.
Last week here in doha I hear a story about two persons from uk that were involved in domestic violence, when I ask everyone what they did, they just say (Silence) and they told me to stay in silence. I know for all the expats it will not be nice be involve in a bad situation here, (Police, Tribunals, or whatever) but do the guys ask the same question before touch a lady? what do they feel, what do they fear, etc, etc.
ALL MY SUPPORT TO ALL THE BRAVES WOMANS!!! that tell their stories and send them to hell.
1. this was front page news on 2 national newspapers.... Good for gypsy for posting it.
2. we all moan about the rubbish in newspapers.... good reporting
3. skanky amigo I read an article about domestic violence in Latin America over the weekend in Guardian and there is growing public debate
as skanky says it is a global issue that is becoming more and more debated as women (as in Latin America) become more educated.
Women in Qatar are a dynamic entity - this I believe sincerely - they are strong and intelligent and irrepresible. At times it has greatly saddened me that some half-wit little brother has power and control over these ladies. But with education this is changing and there is a bright future for Qatari ladies.
I am brought up to expect no person has the right to hit me and I hope one day all women will be brought up in such away
Peninsular also ran this article, which went on to add the following report of the survey-this to my mind is even more shocking:
In another survey, one-third of Qatari female respondents say it is okay to use aggression on women to keep them “disciplined”. The survey, the first of its kind to be carried out in Qatar, was conducted by Qatar University covering 616 Qatari and 87 Arab expatriate female students recently.
Presenting the findings, Al Ghanem said 36.69 per cent of the interviewees favoured ‘disciplining’ women. The percentage was slightly lower at 34.12 in the case of female Arab expatriate students who believed otherwise.
Some 27.19 per cent of Qatari respondents said women needed to be protected by men since the former were not capable of looking after themselves. A majority 63 per cent said women need “someone” to “discipline” them.
Peninsular also ran this article, which went on to add the following report of the survey-this to my mind is even more shocking:
In another survey, one-third of Qatari female respondents say it is okay to use aggression on women to keep them “disciplined”. The survey, the first of its kind to be carried out in Qatar, was conducted by Qatar University covering 616 Qatari and 87 Arab expatriate female students recently.
Presenting the findings, Al Ghanem said 36.69 per cent of the interviewees favoured ‘disciplining’ women. The percentage was slightly lower at 34.12 in the case of female Arab expatriate students who believed otherwise.
Some 27.19 per cent of Qatari respondents said women needed to be protected by men since the former were not capable of looking after themselves. A majority 63 per cent said women need “someone” to “discipline” them.
When I was living in Venezuela, my neighbor used to punched, kicked and hit with anything his wife and 13 years old daughter, and I always called the police and stay in front his door and tell the police everything I hear, Even the third time that he was denied everything I tape them screaming, the police took him away, but his wife released him from the police station hours later. after the attitude of the wife I keep calling the police every night that there was a domestic violence. until all the neighbor make a meeting and threat him. after that everything was in peace, and the wife came secretly and thanks us for the help. So this is one way where the people care about the domestic violence issues, but here is another thing.
Hope that all the ladies, wifes and daughters in Doha and everywhere in the world can raise this problems in the police or special foundations against the domestic violence, and the violators get punished by the law. VERY BADLY.
I was an Emergency Nurse Practitioner in the UK until 2006. The Police are not automatically called to domestic violence and when attending a house where the neighbours have called them, if the woman doesn't want to make a complaint, the police often leave them to "sort it out". It drove me mad, it felt like such apathy. The victims right to make their "choice" was almost always a priority unless the medic felt that they or any children involved are in serious danger. However, that said, these incidents are still recorded for statistical use, including socio economic group, geographical area and ethnic background so at least their stats were more accurate. I agree that reporting and recording of such crimes here must be very different indeed, although because so much is kept "in the family", we will never know. That is the same for anywhere in the world. It's about shame as much as fear.
when it happend to me first i called the police and then i went with my kids to a womans house near to where i was living.They helped me there a lot with all documents i needed for the rapport and there where womans from different nationalities and religions and they all where thankful for the help there and i was asking myself why it is not possible to make something smiliar in Qatar or any Country in the middle east.thats all.Because i see and i know those womans need a helping hand.
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In a country where the view to a very natural physical need is abnormal, this would happen more and more.
Shame for a muslim country.
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comeon alexa u mean to tell me when it happens in the west also the culture is responsible
I mean if a guy drinks and abuses a girl in the bus i am supposed to blame the culture hes coming from and not the person
Thanks Templar. I actually know a couple cops in Canada and they used to beable to lock a man (or woman) away based on the neighbours testimony. Unfortunatly still even in Canada many women are ashamed to speak out, so this is why it's so important to rely on 3rd party testimony.
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I thought these cases don't exist here. The Qatari family who took me in (first sponsor) are so kind, loving and peaceful people that am I being too naive to think of such?
The Qatari family who adopted me from an Orphanage is so kind that they gave me NOC and QR 100,000 as a bonus:)
Yes I agree with you there Shuai, which is why it's important to draw attention to it. :)
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Exactly gypsy, if i had seen the same thing in the UK, the police would have been called straight away, regardless. Doctors arent stupid. Happy bday btw :P
Okay let me rephrase that Gypsy
In most uneducated places inthe world
But still women - God bless their souls are very forgiving
and tolerant everywhere in the world and let the men get away with it
And so it continues - day after day these threads appear on the forum. It's getting really depressing.
Qatar is a tiny country - of course the percentages seem outrageous! The larger the population of a country the lower the percentages would appear in relative terms. (no pun intended!)
But it's still awful and all the more so because of the fear the women have of reporting what's happening to them :(
"i just thought they can apply for help by calling the police for example and report it".
They can call the hotline 4866602 at any time:)
being a person who had her share of family violence when growing up, I thought these cases don't exist here. The Qatari family who took me in (first sponsor) are so kind, loving and peaceful people that am I being too naive to think of such?
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Shuai the same tolerance to such crimes is not shown everywhere else in the world. In most places there are places that the women can go, and in a case like the one Templar described, in many places the doctors don't even need the woman's premission to call the cops and start an investigation into her husband.
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Alexa
Its not the culture thats responsible
Its the men
And the same tolerance to such crimes is seen everywhere else in the world
I read about a case where the guy made his wife wear a steel undergarment because he didnt trust her.
Sad isnt it
Then you're wrong Swissgirl. There are no places for these women to run to. Most families here will tell them to keep quiet. Only in very very isolated and extreme circumstances are these reported, and THEN usually the police will do nothing without the urging of the direct family. Perhaps you should read the article.
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case in point would be 2 days ago at Al-Ahli hospital. I went in to collect my wife's antibiotics and in walked a woman into the emergency section with a face smashed to hell and back.
While i was waiting i overheard the doctor saying that she insisted that she had walked into a door, and that there was nothing they could do. One of the nurses asked if they would file a police report, and the doctor said nope, she insisted it was a door that did it.
It wasnt a door.
ok,maybe i dont know about the sistem in Qatar,i just thought they can apply for help by calling the police for example and report it.Maybe i am wrong,so they can search for help with family or friends.I think no woman must stay in this situation,there is always a way to go out,no matter of countrys or religion.
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LOL! Actually PM I got this from the Gulf Times ;)
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LOL! Actually PM I got this from the Gulf News ;)
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Then perhaps you should be feeling sorry for these girls who have NO way out of this situation, rather then moaning about yet another bad story from Qatar.
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i dont care?hmmmm???well,just let me say once i was in the same situation with my ex husband,so i know perfectly how it is.But i was standing up and left him with the help of my family and friends at least he was suffering because i was stronger then him.
So i think i know how it is to be in a situation like that.
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What scares me is that this is a pretty high number, and usually the number of those who don't speak out is higher.
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Cool. I thought that might be it. :) Yes I have to agree Swissgirls comments make her sound like she doesn't care about violence to women.
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I am sorry gypsy i mistook someone elses comments for yours
and occurs daily all over the world....but to even have a hope of tackling the problem one must at least acknowledge its existance...communication is changing the world, and its no longer possible to bury ones head in the sand so to speak....the sooner people realize that this is happening everywhere, the sooner we can attempt to address it!
The tricky part is to alter the culture of silence as another posted put it, without directly assaulting the cultures that spawn such atrocity.
Stay safe all.
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I'm sorry Shuai, at what point did you think that I don't care?? When I tried to draw attention to the fact that it was happening?
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Gypsy what are u going to do about it now that you have proved your point
cause by your remarks you are giving the wrong indication that you dont really care about those unfortunate girls
We all have tobe a part of the solution
Gypsy what are u going to do about it now that you have proved your point
cause by your remarks you are giving the wrong indication that you dont really care about those unfortunate girls
We all have tobe a part of the solution
How can anybody just deny this. Infact domestic violence is a globle phenomena. I remeber sometimes back when I was watching a programme 'What can you do?' on RTV, they have given this statistics. There are 20,000 road accident deaths per year and every 2 seconds a woman suffers a domestic violence, many times even kept under a rug, you know where....in US. If this is the case with the most outspoken society then I can't imagine whatever would be happening in this part of world.
Well, I am not at all justifying domestic violence, just comparing the situation.
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Alexa, yes poor girls, but I fear the society will not change, to be honest the problems within Saudi Arabia for instance have been known for along time, the western world has brought these to the publics attention and some pressure has been exerted but to date nothing has change. Change in all countries must be initiated and completed by the country itself and it must have a will to do it. In the Muslim world where the family and religion are so closely linked it is difficult to change anything with regard to the family without indirectly engaging the Religion in some form.
The terrible thing here is in this article, is firstly the high percentage of abuse, and secondly and more serious I beleive is that these women and girls have nowhere to go for help, advise or even sanctuary which they need. Such abuse occurs all over the world, sad to say, but in most countries there are organisations that exist to help these poor unfortunate women, of course to have such organisations one must first acknowledge that one has a problem and here is the root of the problem in some countries.
Swissgirl you can feel as safe as you want, this is for those MEN that deny that these things happen here.
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i know Qatar is not Paradise but as i said,this happens everywhere in the world.I think Qatar is still more safe then big Citys like New York,London or also some here in Swiss.I always felt good and safe when i went out in Doha.
Ok,thats my personal experience and i am happy about it.
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Yes Swissgirl, we read again and again people denying that this sort of thing happens here. There is NO rape in Qatar, no sexual assault. Well here is Qatar University saying, actually the rates are pretty high.
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Remember there's probably a lot more that don't make the news or aren't reported.
The next time someone says that the middle east has much lower incidences of this kind of stuff than the 'decadent' west, you know what to say.
wondering if i can read something good in near future.
things like those happen everywhere in the world,they are sad and unmoral but why another tread about it?since weeks or month we are discusting always the same.correct me if i am wrong but i will be happy to read some good storys about Qatar and Doha now.
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