Women's rights in region slighly improving: UN
By joewilliams •
http://www.economist.com/agenda/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10632747&fsrc=RSS
Economist report here; will try and track down report itself and post link.
Thanks,
Joe.
http://www.economist.com/agenda/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10632747&fsrc=RSS
Economist report here; will try and track down report itself and post link.
Thanks,
Joe.
I will be waiting for your both in Ramada Sports to see u in skirts .... please wear long skirts ,,, otherwise in short skirt your munna will be watching all the ladies and chances of munna getting mad will be high .... shhhhhhh don't tell everyone who is munna ;p
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One day, I will invite you to visit my house to drink some good old spirits. Then we will take a Taxi to Ramada Sports Bar to finish he night , But the conditions is a simple one. I'll dress like a good Terrorist and then you dress as a bad terrorist. Remember we both have to wear woman Skirts and Bandanas in pink over our heads.... OK?
LOL
No, I;m not drinking yet!
The Red Pope of Qatar Living
I have seen a twelve toe stripper, I have seen one breasted stripper, I have seen a brainless stripper, but never in my life a one legged stripper! Quentin tarantino-Planet Terror--
Yes - That will encourage the Good Terrorism Also.
Hillary's Quote "There are bad Terrorists and There are Good Terrorists"
Vote for Hillary Clinton, that will cause a new trend for woman in the world...
The Red Pope of Qatar Living
I have seen a twelve toe stripper, I have seen one breasted stripper, I have seen a brainless stripper, but never in my life a one legged stripper! Quentin tarantino-Planet Terror--
This could be a valid point. Most of the Public schools are in mess in the Gulf, no proper eduaction system specailly when it come to English ;p
95% of the school staff are Arab who hardly speak English with their pupils, even during English classed they translate English into Arabic and disuss issues in Arabic rather then English .. lol
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Gypsy ... same situation is in UAE where Emariti women are filling almost all the National post in private n govt. sectors.
One of my friend who is working for a UAE National Social Security, told me this a an alarming situation for the country since more Emarati men are just sitting home and doing nothing but attracting towards crimes such as drugs, roberries etc ...
For sure this will happen in every society where women are working and men are sitting ilde.
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they are starting to equalize the public schools with the private ones here in Qatar...thank goodness. I've heard from several young Qataris that the public schools aren't giving them what they need educationally to compete in today's education system.
I'm like you...very impressed with those that try and better themselves at an older age. Its never easy because then you have the added pressure of a family or just life in general. But to those that do..I say congratulations!!!!
Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.
--Abraham Lincoln (1809 - 1865)
Hi there and I do agree with you, but on the contrary to many opinions and it is true many of the young men here tend to play away the first few years of their adult lives, however, many Qatari men who do not have proper qualifications do not get higher paid jobs, only then when they actually find out what money means to the upkeep of a family do they tend to further their education.
I do know a few of these cases but do admire them when they have to struggle to finish high school being are over 30 having thought that life was a bed of roses beforehand.
As far as I am concerned, our schooling system was a great deal stricter and no one could leave school without have at least the high school certificate and there were authorities behind us who were checking if we went to school or not. I do think with the progress Qatar is making at present that these kind of controls will be implemented here sooner or later.
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Sorry Red Pope I wasn't at Carrefour yesterday, I was at MegaMart though. It's easy to tell when it's me, I'm the one walking around in her own little world with a frown on her face (usually from trying not to laugh because of something I'm thinking about that happened months ago)
"How come I can pick my ears but not my nose? Who made up that rule anyway? How come you say that's the way it is, that's just the way it goes, maybe you should decide for yourself what you can do and what you can say." Ani Difranco
Many women in Turkey were in leading positions 10 years ago and the under the many gruduates from the METU were many women who have teken up managerial positions after graduating in Turkey. I am only familiar with METU so as not to offend and other universities.
Even having children and raising families and as the women here many of them went back to work and picked up where they left off.
Even if we look 20 years into the future I believe more and more women will be leaders in the Goverment and in business, they will definately overtake men.
I'm proud of the many Qatari women who have succeeded in taking up leading roles in the society and for their initiative to improve their country.
Although the KSA has a larger market value than Qatar, Qatar is definately more progressive as far as women are concerned than the KSA.
Nothing wrong with moving up if you actually have the ability. But they aren't moving up because they're able, they're moving up because companies need Qatari's to fill quotas.
"How come I can pick my ears but not my nose? Who made up that rule anyway? How come you say that's the way it is, that's just the way it goes, maybe you should decide for yourself what you can do and what you can say." Ani Difranco
with hiring someone who is less qualified to do a job over someone who IS qualifed, simply because of their nationality. You are short changing the business and its growth capacity.
Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.
--Abraham Lincoln (1809 - 1865)
Where you shopping yesterday at CARREFOUR at the City CENTER maLL?
Was you the lady that I did bump carts with by Accident?
I was going to tell you that you have a nice smile and my apologies for the mishap..
Too bad you did not allowed me enough time to give you my business card for my Confession Booth. I had to be sneaky to drop it, inside your open purse, while you gave your back against it. So check it out.
The Red Pope of Qatar Living
I have seen a twelve toe stripper, I have seen one breasted stripper, I have seen a brainless stripper, but never in my life a one legged stripper! Quentin tarantino-Planet Terror--
"Why bother to learn when you know you will be handed something regardless of whether or not you have the requirements to perform the necessary duties?"
Exactly. That's Marxism :)
Joe Williams
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http://earsopen.blogspot.com/
isn't because of their incompetence or lack of ambition. It is mainly due to the fact that they usually leave their current positions into better positions in other organizations as the chances come up. I see nothing wrong with that, some people do.
with the young males given jobs that they actually don't have the education or training to do, its handicapped them..both emotionally and physically. Why bother to learn when you know you will be handed something regardless of whether or not you have the requirements to perform the necessary duties? However..I do happen to know the Qatar government, with the drive from the Emir and HH, are attempting to change all that.
Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.
--Abraham Lincoln (1809 - 1865)
I find it amusing actually that I've spoken to many people in charge of HR here in Qatar and they absolutely refuse to hire male Qataris.
"How come I can pick my ears but not my nose? Who made up that rule anyway? How come you say that's the way it is, that's just the way it goes, maybe you should decide for yourself what you can do and what you can say." Ani Difranco
You're right, Qatarisation's success is probably dependent on female mobilisation. The difference I suppose with the Second World War's revolution in the workplace is that none of these changes are driven by economic necessity. Women's rights here are ironically being assisted by the government's reliance on Western guns and women themselves are taking up university places for personal ambition. You can't see many more men finding the motivation unless a great deal more of them are threatened with poverty.
Joe Williams
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http://earsopen.blogspot.com/
MILA ,
I think its the function of education in men. Unless there men get educated the woman stand no chance. And education concern in these men is minimal compared to number required for change.
IIMM
ohh yes, I agree with the working class students and the more mature(agewise) that took learning seriously. What usually formed was that the students whose parents paid for their education were the slackers because it wasn't "their" money they were spending. Its still the case nowdays in most unis...
Gypsy...I believe what you say to be true...the switch after WWI was incredible with women being in the workforce and allowed out of the home. Before that, it was looked down upon to work..not "proper". But with the males either at war or a shortage of them due to giving their lives for their country..women took the reins and rode into history. which brings to mind one of my favorite sayings..."Well behaved women RARELY made history"...
Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.
--Abraham Lincoln (1809 - 1865)
Scarlett:
well put. At uni it was always the working class students (especialy the mature students) who worked hardest and took on additional learning oppertunities. It was the middles class kids at the union bar drinking themselves stupid (literally).
Umm, the countless surverys and statistics that have been appearing in magazines and the paper for the past 2 years or so, describing the coming crisis in the Gulf because of lack of ambition and education amongst Khaleeji Male arabs. Look some of them up, they're fascinating.
Joe Williams, Yes I do. Really only the "influential" families are allowing there daughters to actually use their education. However I think it will have to change and pretty rapidly. The current demand for Qatarization will be a big driving factor as the women are the only ones with the education to fill these roles. I can almost envision a WWII style turnover, with women jumping into the workforce because there is no one else to work.
"How come I can pick my ears but not my nose? Who made up that rule anyway? How come you say that's the way it is, that's just the way it goes, maybe you should decide for yourself what you can do and what you can say." Ani Difranco
all you have to do is look at the graduates of EC and other higher level instutions here in Qatar...then tell which gender has more graduating with honors. Its like anything else...you keep someone down for so long and when freedom arrives, they take it and run with it...in this case, its education fueled by a drive to DO something with themselves.
Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.
--Abraham Lincoln (1809 - 1865)
Interesting. From what I can make out though, whatever the drive of young Qatari women to become educated, take up leadership roles and better themselves and society, men here are no less likely to ensure the exlusion of women from positions of power than they are anywhere else. Do you think that actually many women's ambitions will be frustrated and financial control of families will remain the perogative of men in the foreseeable future?
Joe Williams
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http://earsopen.blogspot.com/
Gypsy, you are basing this conclusion on what exactly?
Men will have to be supported by the women in the Gulf within a generation if things continue as they are. The women are the only ones with any amibition and any drive.
"How come I can pick my ears but not my nose? Who made up that rule anyway? How come you say that's the way it is, that's just the way it goes, maybe you should decide for yourself what you can do and what you can say." Ani Difranco
Canarybird - Yeah you're right. I can't find the report itself (have you seen it?) but it's important to notice that improvements are minimal and the starting point itself for women's rights is virtually non-existent. But progress, at least.
Mila - intesting you suggest that in the future men will have to be supported by women in the region. I sometimes wonder at how such a vast gap in ambition can exist between the young women of Qatar and their male equivalents.
It is only a newspaper article it has yet to be realised and the changes mentioned are only minimal.
good change even just slightly. hope by 20 years time all come to clear that a woman in saudi or gulf countries have prerogative right to choose whatever they wish to do and men have just to sit tide and be supported.
oh maybe take less times then we thought...
Everybody is right and Everybody is wrong, its depend where you stand
Qatar is hardly mentioned anlthough the % of females studying and working here is quite high, let alone that Qatar women are driving (although somewhat aggressively methinks), and there are many successful Qatari business women even if they do come from influential families they are able to improvwe the state in their own right.
KSE is quite different agreed.