The royal couple that put Qatar on the map
My better half found this interesting 2-part article from last year about the Emir and his second wife, Sheikha Mozah, and their impact on Qatar;
Part 1: The royal couple that put Qatar on the map
Part 2: Qatar reformed by a modern marriage
I thought some of you might enjoy reading it.
to poster: excellent info, some history...
cryogenic - you're right, this thread did get a bit off topic and petty (as usual), but I think if you read through all the comments you'll see that it got back on track and the discussions about the Sheikha's speeches made interesting reading (for me anyway). Also, I got the impression that PH quite liked the Sheikha (I quote - "Now this is my kind of chick").
what started off as a splendid thread by Tall G has fallen to such low levels with ppl calling each other names.
true to the ql emotive standards... its a sad development.
while tall g justifies pricess habibas curiosity about shikha mozas stand on religion ... its a totally unnecessary direction where this thread is heading toward.
i find this attitude in many arabs who are very nosey about introducing islam in any or every discussion.
the idea of the thread was to appreciate the first copule for their wonderful work.
gypsy as usual brought in some sense into this thread which had become a virtual slanging match.
still habibah doesnt seem convinced.
i have been reading your comments on several threads princess habibah and im sure you are a very well educated smart and genuinely nice human but you dislike of shikha and your anger towards anyone who likes and justifies the shikha is palpable.
now dont direct your anger towards me.
lets stop this thread hijack and discuss the main topic.
supernurse, canarybird and princess habibah lets get talking on more contructive issues.
p.s.
princess habibah are you born to the shiekhs first wife?
PH, your example of traveling between Europe-USA and its logic laughable. Trust is the main factor here. If some one wants to do some thing before seeing his relative at the airport, they can do.You don’t need 10 hours for that. Just five minutes enough. I have seen people doing *that* every where and any where like crowded placed like Bombay.
Hmmm....I think in these aspects PH Her Highness and you might be in disagreement. The trend in Qatar is towards more leniancy with women travelling and conducting business. I can see the need for a mumrah back in Mohammed's times, but today I think there should be more pressure on men (especially here) to behave themselves. To function in this world, especially this region, you have to be able to travel, and you can't always take your husband with you.
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alexa
a man and women cannot be alone together at any time unless they are related together.
Alone is defined as being somewhere that no one else can witness your interaction
Furthermore, a man and women cannot be alone in the sense of taking a walk to get some fresh air together. This is not acceptable.
What is acceptable is that she is not with the men.. (but perhaps in a crowded space where men and women are freely allowed to enter)
Or that if she does hold a conversation with a man it is in front of her mahram and kept short and sweet. (i.e. nice and yes she can hold a discussion as long as it does not transgress what is reasonable if she is with her husband) The prophet used to eat with women in these circumstances. Although we would not recommend this action as it leads to free mixing and unneccessary conversation that has little purpose.
A women can conduct business and therefore talk with a man as long as it is in a place where they can both be observed! (not neccessarily heard) Or in public where men and women can freely enter as long as this is kept strictly businesslike in all ways. (And meeting for a coffee or lunch does not satisfy that criteria)
She can also invite her husband with her if she would like to have or needs a business meeting over lunch.
Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi
Nothing to do with Islam, but Japan has women only carriages and I imagine other countries do as well, so the idea isn't that silly.
p.s. the world is not progressing! If we were then it would become easier for males and females to coexist while not being alone together.
Honestly, what good reason do we have to be alone with a female or man who is not our husband (i'll include bf in this statement), or close relative?
Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi
Well then it looks like islam isn't so oppressive after all Alexa!
Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi
As far as "bang on target with Islamic idealogy", that would take hours to clarify-there is NO Islamic idealogy, there are Islamic idealogies competing.
Either something is islamic or it isn't islamic!
And as I said before .. it sounds as if she is bang on target however I am not sure what she means behind her words. As everyone has a different interpretation of the words they hear and say!
Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi
Alexa I regularly take the subway and smile at men.
Do I do so in an unislamic way?
A smile is sunnah in Islam and does not mean we would like men to approach us..
And traveling in a car or a public place like a subway is fine. And it is recommended (but not commanded) that we stay away from the middle of the roads when going from A to B .
So if I take the underground then I usually try not to sit next to a man unless I have no where else to sit!
Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi
The Sheikha speaking on her religious beliefsis not necessary, she practices them for all to see. When she walks arm in arm with a Catholic Priest and a Jewish Rabbi at public events she is very clearly stating her interpretation of where religion should head in this country. She is very wise to lead by example and not put things in writing that can be turned against her later.
As far as "bang on target with Islamic idealogy", that would take hours to clarify-there is NO Islamic idealogy, there are Islamic idealogies competing. She is so good at expressign which idealogy she sides with without verbalizing it. Excellent for her.
And what we find in muslim countries is that men are slack in their duties towards the women!
Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi
mmm that is a very interesting question.
I think it depends on the situation in which she is traveling. As the rules are a bit ambigous in this regard (and this is a blessing from God) becaus we should take the easiest route when we have options!
For instance, I travel from here to america on a plane but I have family who meet me on the other end. And the trip is only 10 hours.
I do not think it is okay for a women to fly and stay in hotels without a member of her family.
however, one of the male members must, if their is any way possible, anticipate her needs and travel with her.
As was the case when I women went on hajj. The Prophet was told that a women went on hajj and the man did not attend her because he was to go into war. And the prophet said.. Go with your wife.
So we all know how serious war is in Islam and that it is a commandment but still the prophet said that the man had a responsibility to attend to the needs of his wife.
Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi
Well the mandatory hijab is to cover all of her hair and loose clothing from the neck down.
The clothing can be in any colour and design
providing that it is not intended to attract attention (or flaunt oneself)
It can be well made and expensive according to an authentic hadith.
However, it should not be bought for the sake of buying a name and in the name of extravagance (as a muslim is responsible for the money they spend)
Part of the hijab is that she cannot be alone in a room with males.
however, as I have stated before I don't think this needs to be the case when conducting business and their are ways around this. (i.e. one can find alternatives to sitting in private places with collegues and muslims need to define those places ( in what is reasonable)
and she cannot travel alone with males.
Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi
Can she travel alone alone? Or with a school class that consists of males and females?
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What's your defintition of covered properly PH? The vast majority of Muslim women here wear proper hijab....yet for many reasons they are still not allowed to work, and I truly believe that is because of misinterpreted Islam.
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I just don't understand why any muslim thinks his wife does not belong in the public eye. I mean if she is covered appropriately then what is the big deal?
Even in the time of the Prophet women used to go out and work and conduct business with men. Albeit in a much more controlled way then we do these days.
Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi
Hmmmm.....I wouldn't say people are fighting for changes to the belief....rather then a proper interpretation of it....
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Oh, I'd say for the vast majority of young men in this region, practising Islam is in the back of their minds. Up front is where to score drugs next or when they can get over to Bahrain.
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yep, I think your right Gypsy.
Unfortunately, when they start to question they also become fearful that Islam isn't the right religion and do everything in their power to change the faith in order to facilitate their belief in it.
Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi
Further on that note,
I think the fact that the men in these countries have not been practicing islam.. or imposing islam on themselves is the reason why their women who have been leading somewhat righteous lives have overpowered them.
Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi
I think they get that the idea that hijab oppresses them from the colonial feminism that Sheikha Mozah is talking about. I have to think also, that at the age many of these girls find the whole concept of religion oppressive, which, I think, is natural part of growing up and questioning the world.
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mmm it sounds like alot of recitfiable issues.
And a whole lot of double standards that is a result of the people actually leaving Islam rather than following the religion.
Because rather then focusing on ways to ensure all these rights, muslim women, are solving the problems which is not based on Islam.
These women are upset because of the standards imposed on them but not their male counterparts. And that is hypocritical. Rather if those male counterparts enjoy such priviledges then it also warrants extra responsibilities which ensure the rights of women.
however, rather then fighting for this support women are instead taking off their hijabs in protest to an ideology that they think is oppressing them. How can a piece of cloth oppress them?
Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi
I've head the same thing rami-leb, and it's quite unfortunate, because the women in this country are the only one's educating themselves. But it all stems from old misinterpretations of Islam in my opinion.
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That's true.
It's briefly hinted at in the second of these articles, but when Sheikha Mozah appeared on TV at the opening of the Qatar Foundation, many of the Qataris and Qatarias were shocked and appalled. What sort of woman would appear on TV????
There are many Qataris with whom I work who think that what she is doing is fine and nice, but really, she is a wife and a mother and she doesn't belong in the public eye - she should be at home with the children. And this is what they expect of their wives too.
Similarly many Qatarias think this way as well. The thought of being in the presence of other men repells them - something to do with being a good muslim, as far as they're concerned.
But according to these girls it's "disgraceful" for them to use their education, because it brings them into contact with men...IT's a double edged sword.
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In one speech (to the Brookings Institute) HH is quick to downplay statistics that 70% of university students are female, because this obviously means that only 30% are male, and also she sees female empowerment as holistic, human rights issue.
If the men aren't being educated, what use will all the educated women be? The Qatari women need the permission of their husband or father before they can start work. I wonder what sort of society feels it has the right to impose such an awful restriction on women? What benefit does it bring to anyone - why even have in place a tool that can allow a man to stop a woman from doing what she wants?
The government here says one thing - 'let's empower women', but then prevents women from empowering themselves. It's truly quite hypocritical.
Well for example PH, I was at a women's empowerment conference here last May, and there were a lot of young Qatari girls, they were very upset because A) they were not allowed to take jobs out of school because they were not allowed to work with men, therefore they weren't allowed to work, or if they were, it had to be in "approved" jobs I.E. government sector only (so other Qatari's could keep an eye on them) and the only government jobs they were allowed to have were secretarial, or B) they had to turn down scholarships or chances to travel with their university because their parents didn't trust them to go to another country without a family member present, however there brothers were allowed to go and do whatever they please.
THis was very upsetting for them.
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I came back and lo and behold you've stopped arguing with one another and decided to comment on the topic. Cool.
I read her speeches as trying to say that in the past, there was a tradition of openess and scholarship amongst Muslim communities, and at present such a culture does not exist. This is what she means when she says that Qataris should look to their heritage and traditions to find a way forward.
She also is calling for more democracy, saying that in traditional Islamic culture rulers were accountable to the people, and while regimes may have been monarchies, they were still democratic in the sense that people could speak out and challenge the orthodoxy. Again, she is noting that such a culture is absent in the Arab world and she would like to see it return. This, she hopes, can be achieved by the constitutional changes which allow for direct election of some representative positions.
She is crying out against defensive, belligernent radicals, and in particular Muslims, when she says that in the past Muslim countries and places of learning were filled with scholars from Christian, Jewish and other backgrounds. Again, this sorely absent here in Qatar and in particular in the Muslim world where people from different religious and cultural backgrounds are often viewed with suspicion, or kept out altogether (such as Jewish people). She wants people to be tolerant of other religions, which was the wish of the prophet, by trying to break down the imagined divide of 'Islam' and 'The West'.
Essentially she is calling for a more reasoned, rational, securlar society, in which people from all faiths can live in harmony. She is calling for an end to theocratic states where only people of a certain religion can truly belong. This is why churches and other places of worship are being built in Qatar, and why lately there have been moves to remove religious and Koranic instruction from primary school, instead encouraging parents to take an active role in instilling religious values in children, rather than leaving it to the state to enfore. Religion, from what Her Highness is saying, is a personal thing, and should not determine the policies of a government.
lol
I keep the pc connected and periodically check whats going on in all th forums I frequent.
So I prob. will be :)
Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi
aww good luck with the move, its stressful I know...anyway I'm off to carrefour and it definately has to be a record if you're still on when I come back lol
lol supernurse..
I didn't sleep last night because I'm packing and moving. And the only chance I have is when the kids are asleep!
My husband works such long hours that I just let him get his rest as well. So the burden is on me at the moment.
Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi
Although I don't always have good manners.. I admit to the rebel inside me!
Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi
PH hun, you must have typed your fingers to the bone!I've been on nights and you were on and I've had 4 and a half hours sleep and you're still here lol Could this be a record?! Sorry to change the thread, just an observation!!
Eco Shaqab institute?
Very interesting. I am one who believes very much in good manners and wish for a renewed interest in finishing schools.
Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi
For me, salafisim is an ideology started by a bigot scholar called ibn taymiyyah who decided to hate every one. Ever since, each generation comes with its ibn-taymiyyah wanna-be
i think sh. mozah is sexy.
What I mean by that is in any job we take we must look at the consequences of holding the position. Whether it is from a family perspective or financial point of view or even if it goes against our morale.
However those choices that we make should be in light of other prospects that do not hinder our intellectual growth or make less important our ambitious career plans whilst maintaining the values we so dearly hold.
And the type of muslims who do, what you have mentioned, to their daughters, wives and sisters are among the oppressors.
Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi
of Sheikha Mozah, her very first project was Shaqab Institute (Swiss finishing school ) I dont know why they have to close it. I was impressed with the idea, majority of her ideas are blooming.
I like her flower each spring awareness campaign compare to Sheikha Lateefa and Queen Rania, Sheikha Mozah has achieved 100% success
Btw Sheikh Humza yousuf frequents Qatar, he will be in town again QF sponsors his lectures. I dont agree with him not my fav though but I am happy for zaytoona Institute
yes twas me that said that about Di....
Genesis who do you define as a "salafist?"
What can you tell me about their manhaj and what they are upon?
And about thier characters?
And why do you not recognize the 100's of salafi scholars (not pseudo-salafi) living and teaching from home and extending their hospitality to all!
In fact, Qatar has so many scholars that it is the only reason I am leaving a country where I make considerably more money then I would in Qatar and am moving there to learn my religion from these people!
Anyway not to get off topic!
Gypsy I think turning down work opportunities is not the problem. RAther it is forcing the girls to do so without providing them other avenues to explore their creativity and independence.
Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi
I was talking about Princess Di being a slag.
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Qatar is no Kuwait. I don’t even think that salafist have a solid ground here. Although this is not related to the main subject, but I thought you might need to keep this in mind when you come to doha. The most you can get is gatherings & lectures mostly organized by Qatar Charity.
well, here there is still a lot of social stigma on girls educating themselves and working, driving, etc. Many girls here have to turn down educational or work opportunities because their families don't want them to travel or work with men.
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Sorry let me clarify that statement..
I mean the sheikha is using the premise that oppression comes from false interpretations because she, like all muslims, believes Islam to be perfect, complete and harmonious with liberation and femenism.
Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi
Well canary it is that time of the month for me..
And like one of my posts said.. its just a misunderstanding between each others intentions!
Gypsy you hit the nail on the head. The difference is that I think the Sheikha is using false interpretations of islam as a premise of her statement.. At least I would be if I were to say something similar!
however, what I would like to know iswhat she thinks are false interpretations?
Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi
Nothing to apologise, I don't carry malice around with me, and I don't even mind if debates get heated, as for a personal attack it was certainly not my intention but I can't stop you feeling that way.
tallg
Your choice if you want to delete and I only stated my point of view as to what I think the name calling started with PH herself.
"all around you lose their heads"!
I never loose my head thank goodness but I will debate my point and that is what a thread is for.
Well the specific speech I'm reading at the moment is "The 'Woman's issue' in context deframing the discourse on Middle Eastern Women" And I did find it very interesting.
I agree with her that we cannot expect, nor force, Arab women to bow to the Western ideal (or colonialist) of feminism, and that you can't bow to religious extremism either.... However I do thinks she's wrong when she says that Islam (or at least the interpretaions of it) are not the thing holding woman back here. I think misguided interpretations of Islam are a huge factor in keeping women subjucated here.
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I find her speeches extremely diplomatic! She neither sides with the west or the bnp-like muslims in her speech. In fact alot of what I have read in those links says that she is bang on target with islamic ideology!
However, I am not sure the stance she is coming from. As people interpret different words in different ways!
Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi
Tallg and gypsy the voice of reason here...
And yes I am too damn argumentive! I just feel like everyone constantly attacks every little thing I say all the time!
I'm a victim (thats a joke I'm not that cheesy)
Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi
I apologise from setting my frustration from almost a thousand posts on your once and only time of attack towards me.
Is my apology accepted?
Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi
I know Gypsy, and hats off to you for persevering with your comments while all around you lose their heads! I haven't had a chance to read them yet but I've book marked her website.
I'd like to discuss her speeches
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Fair enough CB. If you construe this comment from me;
However, having said that, I'd prefer it people commented on some of the topics in the article rather than those that aren't in it. But hey, that's the nature of an open forum!
as me placing restrictions on the comments that can be made on this thread then I apologise. That's not how I meant it to read.
I still think PH is entitled to ask any questions she wishes, and similarly you are entitled to tell what you think of her questions. Unfortenately, as is often the case on QL, it couldn't be left at that and it degenerated into a petty, name-calling squabble. I'll delete the thread if it continues.
Kind of you to check out the speeches.
This is a personal insult
"Think again canary..
I stated I didn't like your lame brain action"
No assumptions about the person actually!
Seems to me you are assuming don't you think??
You can't place a thread and put restrictions on the comments and I can and will make a comment on this if I feel like it.
If you take this as a telling off it's your personal thing.
Also I did not tell Her Holiness not to discuss anything I just told her that religion is a private matter for everyone and not her business to advocate the Shaikhas religion.
Funny how you guys bring religion into every little thing even just a report about the Royal Family.
tallg said CB - you can't tell me off ...
CB - you can't tell me off for trying to put restrictions on what is discussed while you yourself are telling PH not to discuss something!
For the record I wasn't calling for restrictions, I was simply saying I'd prefer to hear what people had to say about the contents of the article.
Thanks PH for yet again ruining a nice thread.
Good work.
Well, I'm reading this speech right now http://www.mozahbintnasser.qa/files/pdf/DeframingtheDiscourseonMiddleEasternWomen.pdf
I'll let you know my thoughts when I finish.
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Think again canary..
I stated I didn't like your lame brain action
No assumptions about the person actually!
Although you are quite right to call me on my approach and behavior..
But then I'm human and just because I spout the ideas of an islamic utopia does not mean I don't make mistakes or am above my own imperfections.
Gypsy I would be curious to know your take on it as well!
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PH, when you've finished reading up on her speeches, I'd be interested to hear how you think her version of Feminism fits in with your Islamic beliefs.
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So you do judge people and be quite sure my brain in in no way lame ,quite active and quite a lot of stuff in there. You don't have that right be sure.
"So given that I knew I had no idea then it can only be concluded that I then compared you with the lame brain attitude a few culturally identifiable arabs take when it comes to people asking questions. Which in some cultures they consider nosey"!
"Your whole argument against me was rude, insinuating and undeserved!"
Not at all I just think that these kind of things are political and I wonder why you got so upset??
CB - you can't tell me off for trying to put restrictions on what is discussed while you yourself are telling PH not to discuss something!
For the record I wasn't calling for restrictions, I was simply saying I'd prefer to hear what people had to say about the contents of the article.
Yes I did come up to an assumption.. Actually if you looked more into it Canary then you might realize that I accused you of the typical "mind your own business mentality of some groups of arabs" by way of stating an assumption that I obviously had no idea its true or false nature. So given that I knew I had no idea then it can only be concluded that I then compared you with the lame brain attitude a few culturally identifiable arabs take when it comes to people asking questions. Which in some cultures they consider nosey!
Your whole argument against me was rude, insinuating and undeserved!
Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi
I'm not sure she means it in an entirely religious context, simply I think the loss of human kindness and compassion. I do find she is trying to find the middle ground between Western democracy and extremism, which is a very difficult thing to do.
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tallg said Of course CB, I forgot how ...
Of course CB, I forgot how here on QL we only discuss nice topics that are already out in the open for the public to talk about! God forbid we might bring up something controversial!
I think we're all agreed that Sheikha Mozah is an amazing woman who does amazing work, but I think it's obvious to anyone who's lived in Qatar for a while that religion is intrinsically linked to nearly all aspects of everyday life here. That's why I don't think PHs question/statement was unreasonable.
However, having said that, I'd prefer it people commented on some of the topics in the article rather than those that aren't in it. But hey, that's the nature of an open forum!
Well you put the topic and now you want to put restrictions what should be discussed in the topic - huh great perhaps you should put the rules with the topic. Hey if you don't like the comments you get don't put the topic. I myself think that the ongoing job the Sheikha does is brilliant. What disturbs me is Her Holiness PH brings religion into everything even a most interesting article.
rami....
I would hope she is intelligent enough to realize that I use my own slang in a loving gesture. Chick, chickadee, has for me meanings and an expression of respect and love as per the culture of my particular and unique youth!
Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi
This is not abuse???
canary bird you are a first class [note mod : no names calling, consider this as a first warning]
If this was meant for me I don't judge you because I don't care about you, and apart from that I am not in the position to judge anyone but you obvously are!!!!!! Moreover, I don't care about your Islamic stance but I do care about nosing into peoples backgrounds and religeons - but there you are Gypsy supplied you with information.
"So I'd like to ask you and everyone else on this site to stop making stereotypical judgements about my person as if you know me or what I am upon! And my islamic stance!"
Amazing how you come to such assumptions!!! Mind boggling in fact.
"You are obviously married to a Qatari! Or an arab with the mind your own business attitude! I really don't care for it much. As it lacks alot of common sense and inhibits friendly conversation".
Calling the prevailing attitude of cynicism “a loss of faith, the very paralysis of human development,” she criticised the current climate of distrust and noted: “We live in times when we have to swallow the bitter pill of hypocrisy called Western democracy or else be injected with the poison of extremism”.
HH Sheikha Mozah called for a “war on cynicism” – an active campaign to win the hearts and minds of the world’s young people by engaging them in steering the course of development through “an ethic that values peace over violence and dialogue over the barrel of a gun”.
Wow..... I wonder what she means by saying the "loss of faith" .
love the that she does not justify either islamic extremism or western democracy! May Allah reward her and increase her upon good and knowledge InshAllah ameen.
Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi
I'm sure she really appreciates you referring to her as a 'chick'.
Grow up and show some respect. She's not a celebrity or a pop star.
Sheikha Mozah insisted that any discussion about human rights, including women’s rights, had to take into account the numerous human rights violations carried out across the region and around the world “in the name of democracy and security.”
Now this is my kind of chick so far! Exactly what I've spouting on QL for a lonnnnnnnnnnnnnnng time.. well since I joined lol!
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All her speeches are on her website:
http://www.mozahbintnasser.qa/output/page29.asp
Bit on religion here
http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=150908&version=1&template_id=36&parent_id=16
Not really but interesting http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=149785&version=1&template_id=36&parent_id=16
Sorry, that's all I could find.
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its from ajmal honey, why not ask and say, what sheikha mozzah perfume? i want to buy those.. hihihi, you funny gal
Everybody is right Everybody is wrong, it depend where we stand.
i wonder what parfume she wear?
she is so beautiful and she done good deeds too. perfect combination.
Everybody is right Everybody is wrong, it depend where we stand.
To quote her highness "I cannot speak as a scholar of Islam".
I'm looking for them. She was in the states last May, I know she spoke of religion then.
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mm yes! I'm glad to know she does actually.
Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi
Thanks for stepping in Gypsy! Interesting to know that she does talk about her faith.
I would be interested in learning more about them. Do you have any links?
Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi
She's an AMAZING woman, one of the many that are active here in the Gulf. I find their take on feminism enlightening to say the least, and I really hope it spreads.
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Gypsy today was the first time I have ever heard about her! Thanks for the info as I plan to google her today.
Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi
Woah people! PH if you do a google search you can get a lot of Her Highnesses speeches, especially the ones she gave in the US last year. She talks quite openly about her faith and how she thinks it relates to women's liberation. Diamond Girl on this site is a prime example of how the new generation of Qatari women think about themselves and Islam. They love their faith, and are very proud Muslimahs with strong family values, BUT, they don't believe in enforcing the hijab or subjucating themselves for men.
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hold up/..
Who got abusive with whom?
All I did was ask a simple question.. and you accused me of doing so as to annahilate the Sheikhas character.
And I clarified that this was not the case.
Have you been off your paranoia medication canarybird?
Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi
Obviously there is a motive behind your questioning, why get so upset and abusive if you receive an answer you don't like.
Mind your own business attitude is not necessarily an Arab nor Qatari trait it is international. If you don't care for it much is the same for me as if a bicycle will fall down in China. I must admit I like the guilty souls bit - took a peek at the Quran this morning did you lol.
Can't even ask a simple question these days without people thinking I have ulterior motives!
What is up with that! Unlike you guilty souls I know who I am and what I am
And I am not afraid to say it.. Nor do I feel the need to hide it!
And I am not going to be subtle in my attacks if I choose to do so! Nor have I ever on this very website..
So what in the world has given you the idea that my question had ulterior motives other then genuine curiosity?
I am who I am says popeye the sailor man!
Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi
canary bird you are a first class [note mod : no names calling, consider this as a first warning]
I'm not judging her by asking what she is upon! I am curious to know more about the person who calls herself a womens liberator. I want to know her biography and what makes her tick. And what her plans are for the future.
And I'd like to know what a muslim who lives in a country which has not seperated state and religion has to say about it!
You are obviously married to a Qatari! Or an arab with the mind your own business attitude! I really don't care for it much. As it lacks alot of common sense and inhibits friendly conversation.
Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi
"I just noticed that on her website religion is never mentioned. And being aware that Qatar does practice shariah law I was curious to why this was the case. And what her own beliefs consisted of! So that I may know the basis of decisions she plans to make for her people both Qataris and expatriates. (not so I could judge her)".
International Law and Sharia Law are being practiced in Qatar - don't make her a public spectacle by publishing such things - her beliefs and like all other people in the world are for her and her alone to answer to God.
When will you people ever learn to mind your own business and think before you post comments, and the point is mind your own business and realise that this is a political question not to be answered by anyone. You are not God and have no right to judge anyone - judge yourself first after that there is nothing for you to judge about others.
Canary bird.. Calm down and take it easy..
My position in asking what her islamic stance is purely based on awareness of your countries politics.
As it is against Islam to question a muslim leader!
I just noticed that on her website religion is never mentioned. And being aware that Qatar does practice shariah law I was curious to why this was the case. And what her own beliefs consisted of! So that I may know the basis of decisions she plans to make for her people both Qataris and expats. (not so I could judge her)
These type of questions are typical of a lawyer!
Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi
So I'd like to ask you and everyone else on this site to stop making stereotypical judgements about my person as if you know me or what I am upon! And my islamic stance!
Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi
A book is a book and does not always relate to real life even it is a true story.
Take 'Not without my Daughter" Iran - Betty Mahmoodi for instance. I lived in Iran and with Iranians and although I read the book in one night, not one iota of that story related to real life in Iran.
Since that book was written mother and daughter remained in hiding for a long time.
Important factors are always missed out unfortunately - especially the factors realted to the culture - the real culture.
Of course CB, I forgot how here on QL we only discuss nice topics that are already out in the open for the public to talk about! God forbid we might bring up something controversial!
I think we're all agreed that Sheikha Mozah is an amazing woman who does amazing work, but I think it's obvious to anyone who's lived in Qatar for a while that religion is intrinsically linked to nearly all aspects of everyday life here. That's why I don't think PHs question/statement was unreasonable.
However, having said that, I'd prefer it people commented on some of the topics in the article rather than those that aren't in it. But hey, that's the nature of an open forum!
i never been to Saudi, but i thinks Qatar is alot more open and very tolerable towards the expat.
thats Saudi hun, bit different to Qatar me thinks....
Has any 1 of u read any books by Jean Sasson, Princess, Daughters of Arabia, Desert Royal, shall I say more....
In actual fact you can actually e-mail the Emiri and find out about her beliefs no need to post it on QL sister.
she can wonder all she likes but she should not question this as it is definately not public business.
She is a role model and an international personality and even if it is a Muslim country why is it necessary to question her beliefs which is none of uny ones business and in my mind an insult to her integrity.
are there 2 threads in one here?
like i say, by looking around me, like i say earlier....we know still exit but, here u r denied it...
PH, I'm well aware of that hun. What I'm trying to get at is it isn't about her preaching religion and making a point of it, religion has nothing to do with her work and I don't see why it should!Religion aside she is an inspiration to Qatari women and other women that live in Qatar for that matter..
Where did you take this from I have been in and out of the Gulf over many years - Slavery did not exist - so this is an evil conviction. Were you a slave here - where have you seen slaves?? You may have seen or heard of underpaid labourers that is a fact but not slaves. When is recently - this means to me in tha last coupl of years??? Clear this.
"slavery was only recently abolished in the gulf diana".
Apparently we're all slaves in qatar cos we need an exit visa to get out....
come on u r so modest!!!
~Thank you Tallg for saying a few words of wisdom in this situation.
p.s. supernurse 99%-%100 of Qataris are muslims.
Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi
when i go out n about, i can c that slavery still exits n discrimination in a big way, just by looking at the faces of this girls-women, how they get treated.
I thought that slavery was abolished many, many years ago, but come on...we know still around us, trully sad.
Canary bird I am probably the nicest, most loving, and genuine person you will ever meet! And have never caused another person harm in my entire life! In my entire life!
If you can point out the reasons you feel I am evil then I will be more than open to listening to your complaints!
Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi
I think PH is entitled to wonder about the Sheikah's beliefs and and dedication to her religion, considering the country she is ruling. Obviously this article doesn't focus on the aspect, but I'd be interested to read one that does. In fact, I think any article about the Emir and the Sheikah is interesting so please provide any links you have!
You are an evil eveil eveil thinking person!!
Dianapilar
Maids are paid low salaries because they agree to this and mostly come from poor countries, are misled as to what their duties are by manpower agencies.
Most maids live as part of the families have their food and accommodation and extras such as clothes soap and other things bought for them. When tthey go on vacation many of the patrons help with buying gifts for the families. The maid never receives the expectaions of the job promised to her as the Manpower Agencies cheated and lied to her about her position and took all her money before she even earned any. Please don't generalise about Qatari women, look at other Arab nations and especially Asia Minor nations who are employing maids how they treat them. Then express your opinion.
I know of cases real cases where Asians who employ maids don't even let them use the bathroom in the house check that out for information.
no no, she is a role model for everyone in Qatar, be they whatever religion, not just muslims! I would say she was more of an inspiration to Qatari women than muslims per se....
Canary bird...
What in the world are you talking about?
Its a good question considering she is a role model for muslims in a muslim country!
And If a person going to be in the public limelight then I am sure they are prepared for the questions that follow.
Gee whiz.. I didn't attack her... or make any claims against her..
Man the cure to ignorance is asking about what you don't know!
Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi
This is actually none of yur business and I find it an insult to her that you should even enquire about her beleifs. She is a wonderful person that has brought a great deal of recognition to the Qatar and to get education started and improved here.
Take a look in your heart - where the black places are and go and heal them by praying to God for forgiveness for even implanting such things on QL.
slavery was only recently abolished in the gulf diana.
Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi
and? i'm curious 2 know more, pls!!!
I hav seen in my little time here, qatari women treat their maids, badly!!! my question, why is that?
lol sorry I was talking about Princess Di being a slag..... I think Sheikhas great and she is such a figurehead for Qatari women, what a great inspiration she must be. Plus I think (correct me if I'm wrong) she's no stranger to the plastic surgeon......lol
slag...
lol
yes.. I am interested in learning about the domestic violence shelter she has overseen and becoming involved with that.
I wonder what makes her kick?
Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi
mmmm I'm not sure that they need to bring religion into what they're doing. The Sheikha does a monumental job here and I don't think its anything to do with her religion. As much as I hate to class her against that slag Princess Diana, sheikha Mosah is a bit like her I suppose.
well her job is ruling a muslim country that practices shariah law supernurse.
Its seems like a perfectly acceptable question given the circumstances and condition of her office and the people (muslims) she and her husband are ruling.
It would be interesting to know their perspective on Islamic issues!
Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi
whats her religion got to do with the great job she's doing?
So sad that I can find no evidence or suggestion of the the Sheikah's spiratual beliefs and dedication to her religion.
I wonder why she does not let the world know her endeavors in this area as well?
Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi
So what happened to his first wife again?
Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi
Yes, a progressive couple. What are people's reads on the heir apparent? The Sheikh is none too healthy and is not young, what will become of some of these reforms on his death or disability? Is there enough of a grass roots support to keep them going, or is it all driven by a cult of personality?
This is leadership with a vision. I envy Qatar that they have leaders like these great royal couple.
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Thanks guys. Glad someone read them!
articles..... ;-)
"if you don't like the heat... get out of the kitchen... but stop trying to fan the flames before you leave... it will burn you on the a** as you go through the doorway...." ME
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reading.
Strange though that it appeared in the Christian Science Monitor!