Has PETA gone too far?

Gypsy
By Gypsy

There's a bit of a controversy brewing in Canada over some new PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) ads that appeared on their blog (which I can't find) comparing the brutal murder, beheading and cannibalism of a 22 year old man to the slaughter of cows. Here's some links and snippets from some articles.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080801.wbus-victim0...

Without warning, witnesses said, a man stood up and stabbed Mr. McLean several times in the throat and torso, sending passengers scrambling off the bus. Afterward, the killer severed his victim's head, hacked at his body with a large knife and a pair of scissors, and, according to reports from the scene, ate some of the body parts.

http://www.scoopthis.org/tag/tim-mclean/

PETA wants to run the ad in Manitoba’s Portage la Prairie Daily Graphic newspaper. The ad reads:

“His struggles and cries are ignored … the man with the knife shows no emotion … the victim is slaughtered and his head cut off … his flesh is eaten.”

If this ad leaves a bad taste in your mouth, please give a thought to what sensitive animals think and feel when they come to the end of their frightening journey and see, hear and smell the slaughterhouse."

http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Columnists/Loome_Jeremy/2008/08/16/64720...

"Dear PETA,

I read with some surprise your reassurance that "PETA's ad comparing Tim McLean Jr.'s murder with the fate of animals who are killed for their flesh is certainly not meant to upset anyone."

Surely, the purpose of comparing a man who was brutally beheaded to the plight of farm animals is to shock people. People who are shocked are invariably upset as well. So your position seems dishonest at best, and cold-hearted and cynical. I'd suggest that, regardless of what you think of barbaric meat-eaters, you had to know his family would be rather upset by any billboards comparing their son to a dead cow.

Most of us eat meat. We do it because our bodies are designed to do it; just like those creatures you 'protect', human beings are part of the animal food chain. And while you may see that chain as barbaric, I haven't seen any PETA officials traipsing into the forest to dress down a bear for eating meat. I'd like to, but I haven't.

Human societies dictate the course of justice in large part on what is "natural" behaviour. It does not suggest that, simply because we have a greater exercise of free will, we should stop being true to that nature. Rather, we have adapted societies to accept -- albeit with occasional revulsion -- many natural things we do.

When it come to meat, that may sound nasty and cold-blooded to a vegan. But it is human reality; we are the master of our domain precisely because we have the ability to shepherd it. We are not driven to kill animals by a frenzied urge to obtain protein. That implies a lack of conscious choice. We do it because we feel it is normal -- a rationalized choice, but a choice.

The beheading of Mr. McLean, on the other hand, was an act that no human could see as anything other than sheer lunacy. No one makes a rational choice to behead a fellow human. So there is absolutely no "apt" parallel, as you so callously stated in your letter.

The family of the steak I ate last night may, you are right, have been traumatized by his sudden disappearance ... for the four seconds it took to flit through their underdeveloped brains. But they do not sit up at night, waiting in vain. They do not look back at years of fond memories and emotional bonds and wonder what might have been. They not grieve for years.

So it is not even slightly "apt" to compare Tim McLean Jr. to a dead cow. As such, the emotional damage you unleashed on parents to whom "your hearts go out" demonstrates the essence of inhumanity: the ability to disconnect yourself emotionally from society.

PETA hates cruelty, and yet when it feels the need, it can justify behaving in a cruel way. What a strange and savage hypocrisy."

http://www.standard-freeholder.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1156036

"PETA's ad comparing Tim McLean's horrifying murder in Manitoba with the fate of animals who are killed for their flesh was certainly not meant to upset anyone (Standard-Freeholder editorial Aug. 12). Our hearts go out to the victim's family and everyone who has been affected by this tragic act.

As an animal rights organization, PETA sees parallels between cruelty to animals and acts of violence against humans, and while we understand that some people may find such comparisons uncomfortable, they are apt.

All murder is wrong -regardless of whom the victim is. Like us, animals are made of flesh, blood, and bone. They fight for their lives and struggle to avoid pain. When animals die, their families grieve, just as we are all mourning for Mr. McLean. We want people to use their outrage at this violent crime in a constructive way; we hope to inspire them to examine their own lives and the choices they make that support violence, and to choose nonviolence and vegetarianism."

So! Did PETA go to far? Not far enough? What do you think!

By anonymous• 18 Aug 2008 11:56
anonymous

it.Lets see if they compere the 2 then....retards !!

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By diamond• 18 Aug 2008 11:47
diamond

I thought that the less attention the Danish cartoons got the better. Unfortunately they got massive attention which ended up impacting the Muslim world negatively IMHO.

People can draw what they like. I don't think I want to live in a world where people say what you can't say/draw/write/think(!). I chose not to look at the cartoons. That was easy.

PETA have gone too far with this one. This is cruel and hurtful for this poor man's family. There are better ways to encourage people to treat animals ethically. I'm a vegetarian but I do not support many of PETA's extreme tactics.

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By Ragnarock Raider• 18 Aug 2008 11:23
Ragnarock Raider

They are both expressing their right to free speech but in the processing hurting someone(s) feelings....but one is an ill thought out ad campaign....and the other is a political charicature (which you could arge is aimed at raising a reaction)...but anyways...as I argued on those threads...I DO believe in free speech....even if the price to pay is distasteful or idiotic messages sometimes!

Stay safe all.

Perfection does not exist. The question therefore, is: what level of imperfection are we willing to settle for?

By Gypsy• 18 Aug 2008 11:22
Gypsy

Well some would argue that the Danish cartoons set out to insult Muslims.

However I do agree that there is a difference in political cartoons and an ad campaign that targets a specific family.

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By Gypsy• 18 Aug 2008 11:17
Gypsy

Oh whoever there marketing person is they should be drug out into the street and shot for sheer stupidity. (Then they can see if you can really compare murder to killing animals for food).

On another tangent, do you think you can compare this to the Dutch cartoons?

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By Ragnarock Raider• 18 Aug 2008 11:11
Ragnarock Raider

But from a marketing perspective one would have to question the wisdom in doing so...especially if they end up having the opposite of the desired effect (ie people dismiss you as a lunatic/grossly incensitive/inhuman group, instead of accepting your message of ethical treatment of animals).

But that's just my take on it.

Stay safe all.

Perfection does not exist. The question therefore, is: what level of imperfection are we willing to settle for?

By Gypsy• 18 Aug 2008 11:02
Gypsy

I love how in another topic we are discussing where to find the best Steak in Doha. LOL

Does no one think that they have a right to make these ads, in bad taste they may be, under freedom of expression?

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By Ragnarock Raider• 18 Aug 2008 11:00
Ragnarock Raider

Noble as their intention might have been, they simply went too far, and now they risk further alienation from the general populace who will be outraged at such a comparison. This is a prime example of and ad campaign that was NOT so well thought out, and will surely backfire!

Great topic though Gypsy.

Stay safe all.

Perfection does not exist. The question therefore, is: what level of imperfection are we willing to settle for?

By Oryx• 18 Aug 2008 11:00
Oryx

Yukky

In my more militant youth I would stick chewing gum in people's fur coat...

guess what fur doesn't grow back when it is dead!

this is too far...wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy too far.

Vegetarians really piss me off they are so damm evangelical.... ok you dont want to eat meat fine....

Food is a luxury to many and being able to choose your diet is a priveledge and they should remember that.

I've seen vegetarians get on their hobby horse in poor countries and its a darn embarrasing thing to do.

By koko37• 18 Aug 2008 10:56
koko37

Too cruel too Malicious.. there is no just in what they did!

Never say Never for fear of Forever!!

By Gypsy• 18 Aug 2008 10:56
Gypsy

It would be one thing if they compared murder in general to killing animals for food, but to choose such a ghastly murder so soon after it happened. I can't even begin to imagine how the parents feel.

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By jauntie• 18 Aug 2008 10:54
jauntie

like someone said, you don't compare a lunatic killing someone's son to the slaughter of an animal for food. Vegetarian or not, it's still the wrong analogy.

Not nice for the parents at ALL!

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