Treat Children like Dogs!

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Treat children like dogs, says animal behaviour expert
Unruly toddlers should be encouraged to behave with same methods used to cure disobedient dogs, according to an animal behaviour expert.

Pat Moore, deputy head of behaviour at the Battersea Cats and Dogs Home, has suggested that, because young children and dogs are unable to speak, they both need to be shown how to behave properly.

"Neither puppies or toddlers can be expected to immediately know how to behave in certain situations and need clear, consistent guidance. They key is to use more simplified verbal communication and distinctive body language. The tone of voice is key along with your facial expressions," she said.

"If you are giving a command, you don't need to yell and shout but you should make sure your voice is firm and your meaning clear."

She claimed that rewarding good behaviour with a praise or a treat was a more effective approach than punishing poor behaviour when dealing with children and dogs.
The technique, known as "positive reinforcement" is outlined in next week's edition of the charity's Paws magazine.

"When training the dogs at Battersea we use a mixture of rewards including tasty treats for really good behaviour."

But she warned that the value of the treat used was an important factor in improving behaviour.
"If you use the best treats all the time, such as a chew, it loses its value and isn't so attractive. While we aren't child psychologists, it seems that parents should act in a similar way, keeping a range of rewards for different circumstances.

"Behaving well on a shopping trip may result in a trip to the playground or a packet of sweets. It wouldn't usually mean buying a very expensive toy."

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By thatguy• 4 Sep 2008 13:06
thatguy

hahahahahahahahahahhahahahhahahahahah

dont forget some treats and water just incase they get tired...

i remember when i was a kid i used to have my friends german sheppard drag me around on my skates...

mmmmm i just had a great idea hahaahahaha

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By Overlook• 3 Sep 2008 05:29
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Overlook

Going to take the kiddies out for walkies, just bought new choker chains and I want to try them out. Should I take a pooper scooper along do you think? Get down boys!

By thatguy• 3 Sep 2008 04:24
thatguy

oh wow heero_yuy2... that was about as witty as a gets from you huh? i mean seriously next time dont try to hard... i dont want you to hurt your self...

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By heero_yuy2• 2 Sep 2008 19:08
heero_yuy2

Are you sure about your 3 year old girl? I thought I had it confused for a puppy. LOL

"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach

By thatguy• 2 Sep 2008 03:47
thatguy

thank you very much novita... and i must say the very same about your son... i asked erin the next day if she had fun and she told me

i had lots of fun with that ... uh... boy

hahahahahahah she couldnt remember sams name hahahahaha

shes just like her daddy =)

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By papa yankee• 1 Sep 2008 02:30
papa yankee

MY TAKE IS WHY BOTHER AT ALL ? THEY WILL OUTGROW IT

By tinkerbelle• 1 Sep 2008 00:16
tinkerbelle

are on the top of my list as a newcomer to doha. HA!!!! who wants a..... so right novita, so so so right. kinda comical if ya will???

By novita77• 1 Sep 2008 00:10
novita77

lol Helenann ... you have plenty companies at home .... NOT !!!

By tinkerbelle• 31 Aug 2008 23:59
tinkerbelle

i have three little ones and a dog with three sweet puppies. treat them the same??? hmmmm, now that is strange. but, wanna puppy? hijack...oooooops sorry

By novita77• 31 Aug 2008 23:49
novita77

that guy ... i am impressed wth your girl !!! she is only 3 ... not whinny and get on very well with anybody. Well mannered and very sociable.

By thatguy• 31 Aug 2008 23:17
thatguy

now positive reinforcement is good... but not like... here is a little candy anytime they do something right...

we do positive reinforcement with out noticing with children with just body language

as in smiles head nods and even hugs and such...

if a child is treated more maturely then they will also act accordingly...

now this next question goes out to anyone who has ever met my daughter...

does she have manners? and does she or does she not act very politely?

your answer will show you that treating a kid like a grown up is more or less of a better way to treat children than treating them like dogs...

i know for a fact that my daughter is well behaved... and it has nothing to do with any kind of study on how to treat children... all i do is think back to when i was young... and how did i respond to things... and what was i thinking when i did something wrong or right... and i judge her actions accordingly... its really easy to tell what your child is thinking if you think back to how you thought as a child...

if my daughter paints on the walls of the house with her paint brush... i dont spank her... i show her were the stuff is to clean it up... and have her clean it up... (majority of the time she makes just as big of a mess hahahahahahaha so i then have to clean up after her) but she learns that if you do something wrong you have to fix it...

treating your kid like a dog... tells them if you do something wrong you will get punished... so they never learn to fix the mistake...

or if they do someting right they thank they should be treated with an award... which in many cases can cause a child do only do right for the sake of the reward and not for the sake of just being good...

sorry i could go on all day about this... its one of my favorite topics =) i love children... but i am worried that to many people see there child as a burdon and look for out side help to solve there problems with this so called burdon...

but i do also understand that every child has to be treated differently because even my sisters kids are nothing like my kids... and they are the closest child relatives out there... so with that said... just show your child the respect you wish you had when you were growing up... and im sure they will be fine...

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By tallg• 28 Aug 2008 11:23
tallg

thatguy - so you don't think positive reinforcement would work with a child? Surely even a young child possesses enough learning ability to grasp that if it does something and gets a nice reward in return, then it's worth doing again?

Isn't that one of the ways that humans learn anyway, through positive and negative reinforcement? For example, touch something hot and you get burned, so you don't do it again.

By thatguy• 28 Aug 2008 01:51
thatguy

WTF

i hate people... and articles like this show me why i hate people...

a child cant understand you because they are slowly developing social skills... so treating them like a dog... well doesnt exactly help that out any...

a dog actually understands you... so thats why you can use these methods of treats and petting to show the dog they are doing good...

child are not dogs... dogs are not children... no matter how attached we get to our dogs we have to understand there is a difference... i have been known to be truly attached to my dogs ... and yet i would never treat my child like my dog...

this is just baffeling... i mean does this person even have a kid... its kind of like that lady who wanted to ban spanking children all together... and yet she has never been a mother...

people suck

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By Xena• 27 Aug 2008 19:43
Xena

Not getting you Brit... their names are Korin and Lycan, though....

"if you don't like the heat... get out of the kitchen... but stop trying to fan the flames before you leave... it will burn you on the a** as you go through the doorway...." ME

 

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By nomad_08• 27 Aug 2008 18:48
nomad_08

ive seen toddlers on leash. just like dogs.

By britexpat• 27 Aug 2008 17:52
britexpat

Hope you don't mins , but they're strange names for babies.. Are you Canadian ?

By QT• 27 Aug 2008 17:49
QT

Cartman's mother calls in the dog whisperer to stop his mis-behaving?

It was hilarious!

By Xena• 27 Aug 2008 17:25
Xena

I have two gorgeous babies, a GSDX and a husky;-)

"if you don't like the heat... get out of the kitchen... but stop trying to fan the flames before you leave... it will burn you on the a** as you go through the doorway...." ME

 

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By mjamille28• 27 Aug 2008 17:18
mjamille28

you got that right, brutus...lol

By brutus_ceasar• 27 Aug 2008 17:07
brutus_ceasar

Can anyone imagine if the husband does that to a wife.. Shh*****ttt... Better not sleep at night with the wife plus a scissor at the bedside.

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Heard your wife left you,

How upset you must be.

But don't fret about it...

She moved in with me.

By mjamille28• 27 Aug 2008 17:02
mjamille28

lol Brit... same thing will also happen if you try it with the wife... you'll get more than a blackeye...har har har

By brutus_ceasar• 27 Aug 2008 17:00
brutus_ceasar

The dog of course..

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Heard your wife left you,

How upset you must be.

But don't fret about it...

She moved in with me.

By britexpat• 27 Aug 2008 16:59
britexpat

From the dog or the wife ?

By brutus_ceasar• 27 Aug 2008 16:59
brutus_ceasar

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Heard your wife left you,

How upset you must be.

But don't fret about it...

She moved in with me.

By brutus_ceasar• 27 Aug 2008 16:58
brutus_ceasar

I'm trying the hug and kisses this time.. and then if that doesn't work next will be the visa and MasterCard thing.

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Heard your wife left you,

How upset you must be.

But don't fret about it...

She moved in with me.

By mjamille28• 27 Aug 2008 16:55
mjamille28

serves you right... lol

By Pieman• 27 Aug 2008 16:55
Pieman

Kids are no problem, its wives that need training.

'New shoes'.....NO

'New dress'.....Quiet

Etc

just eat another pie

By brutus_ceasar• 27 Aug 2008 16:54
brutus_ceasar

Got a black eye once when I did the rolled up newspaper thing.

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Heard your wife left you,

How upset you must be.

But don't fret about it...

She moved in with me.

By mjamille28• 27 Aug 2008 16:49
mjamille28

lol Brit, my future husband better not try that "smack on the nose with a rolled up newspaper", or he is gonna get it big time...

By mjamille28• 27 Aug 2008 16:47
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mjamille28

yes,.. but of course, if the kids did wrong, which cannot be avoided, then comes the discipline part, although i dont believe in disciplining children through spanking, etc...there are other ways around that...

By anonymous• 27 Aug 2008 16:47
anonymous

good luck, brit, you'll save a lot of money then, .. obviously, ..don't you?

By lovinni• 27 Aug 2008 16:42
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lovinni

hmm why not? but i cant imagine smacking children's noses. lol! what i do to my puppy is spank his butt. he gets goodies too when he is behaving.

ive seen kids being rewarded for a good work and they grow up well. this works if done properly.

I think I've discovered the secret of life - you just hang around until you get used to it.  ~Charles Schulz

By mjamille28• 27 Aug 2008 16:29
mjamille28

lol brit....if the hugging and kissing don't work, work your magic with the visa card har har har.........

By britexpat• 27 Aug 2008 16:26
britexpat

Well the smack on the nose with a rolled up newspaper is definitely not working..

By mjamille28• 27 Aug 2008 16:25
mjamille28

lol brit, you could try.. though i think the "material" rewards work better with the wives... (kidding)

By britexpat• 27 Aug 2008 16:24
britexpat

I like this idea.. May try it with the wife..

By mjamille28• 27 Aug 2008 16:14
mjamille28

thanks, MD...i give her all the emotional rewards, and then i let my dad take care of all the 'material' rewards.. lol

By anonymous• 27 Aug 2008 16:11
anonymous

good answer, mj. Brit, you have to pay for everything?

By mjamille28• 27 Aug 2008 16:08
mjamille28

hmm, why would i not be in the position to give one?

By mjamille28• 27 Aug 2008 16:07
mjamille28

well, it's what i do with my 4-year-old right now, give her even just simple rewards for job well done, a kiss, a hug, it doesn't have to be materialistic all the time..

By britexpat• 27 Aug 2008 16:04
britexpat

What if they are good, expect a reward and you are not in a position to give one??

By anonymous• 27 Aug 2008 16:04
anonymous

That's why psychologists call it "Pawlow's Dog." But wait until they're 14, mjamille.

By tallg• 27 Aug 2008 16:03
tallg

Thanks Brit. I said that children need to be rewarded/disciplined in the same way as dogs in a thread last week, and was immediately lambasted for it! I feel vindicated now.

By mjamille28• 27 Aug 2008 16:01
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mjamille28

the 'rewards' system is the best strategy to use with kids, once they have been rewarded for good behaviour, they will always be motivated to be good.. works with my 4-year-old all the time...

By sammie1571• 27 Aug 2008 16:00
sammie1571

If i remember corretly you have two dogs don't you?

By Xena• 27 Aug 2008 15:58
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Xena

mess is no longer an accepted form of dicipline for dogs, and shouldn't be for children.

The same goes for smacking them on the nose and hitting them with rolled up newspaper, as the articles says, it all goes on affirming/rewarding positive behaviour.

"if you don't like the heat... get out of the kitchen... but stop trying to fan the flames before you leave... it will burn you on the a** as you go through the doorway...." ME

 

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By mjamille28• 27 Aug 2008 15:07
mjamille28

sit, stay, roll over....lol

By heero_yuy2• 27 Aug 2008 15:03
heero_yuy2

This will help our children turn into a good citizen of one's country. ;-p

"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach

By someonenew• 27 Aug 2008 14:53
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someonenew

I think it shud be the other way round "treat ur dogs the same way as u treat ur children" just coz they're dogs doesnt mean they shud be hit and their spirit broken by inhumane training.

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By britexpat• 27 Aug 2008 14:19
britexpat

Did her kids urinate on the floor regularly?

If they did, then obviously the treatment did not work..

I once read about a guy who caught his young son smoking and made him chain smoke a whole packet in order to make him ill and put him off the habit..

Did it work ? I don't know.

By Xena• 27 Aug 2008 13:43
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Xena

I can relate to this article.

My ex-husband always used to go into new clients homes and watch the behaviour of the chilren, and then would tell the people, before they could tell him, what behaviour problems they were having with the dog... they used to be amazed and ask how he knew, when he hadn't met the dog yet, his answer... because your children are doing the same things....

it relative....

"if you don't like the heat... get out of the kitchen... but stop trying to fan the flames before you leave... it will burn you on the a** as you go through the doorway...." ME

 

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By baldrick2dogs• 27 Aug 2008 13:18
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baldrick2dogs

A smack on the nose works wonders when they're bad and give 'em a bone when they're good - same for the dogs ;o)

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