Roman type behaviour

is that most people know the basics of how not to contract both diseases most are unaware of the nature of both HIV and AIDs and are in retrospect two different diseases a person can live for years HIV positive before it mutates into AIDs. Both HIV and AIDs have a mutation rate of every 8 to 10 persons which means that for every 8th to 10th person that is infected the virus mutates again which is why there is no known cure and the tri-meds used for suppressing the HIV virus differs from case to case.

"Your born, You Live, You Die, given this premise, one can conclude since we have no control over when we are born and when we die, the only thing that matters to us should be how we live, simple really?" Mis-Cat to her philosophy Lecturer.

be calm, people....

I read it MD, and you can't say that just because SIV doesn't effect chimps that same way that HIV effects humans means that it's not the same disease, diseases are strange things and the same thing effects different species in different ways.

Thanks for posting that link PH,I also read in Wikipedia that the first people to die of AIDS in the US were a Haitian family (Dad, mom and daughter) in the 1970's.

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USA for AFRICA indeed. ;-p

"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach

QT is only 50% vietnamese and 50% mentaly british. He is not 100% percent, yet. It has not found his ancenstral roots yet... just kidding with you dude, don't hack me down yet.......

:)--%

I hear St. Patrick was an Englishman!"

Nothing of importance ever does MD!

change of subject: QT you will love your culture. Vietnamese are the sweetest, softest and kindest people I have ever met. A bit crafty for survival purposes. But all in all a good breed!

Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi

RP, humanity owes Africa its cradle. (Rift Valley)

True, princess, we can only speculate. Hopefully gene biology will reveal more clues on viruses and why some species are resistant and others are not. But this research doesn't make the front pages.

Poor Africans, not again!!

Africa

Rich in mineral resources, rich in sickness and poverty, rich in famine, famous for genocide and civil wars, famous for their animal parks and know the foundation of HIV.

What else do they need? More misery?

Give them a break....Humanity owns Africa a lot...

I hear St. Patrick was an Englishman!"

Yes I read MD! The only problem I have with the whole monkey theory is that SIV is not known to affect monkeys as HIV affects humans.

Personally, and if I was a betting person, I would bet that some goverment, starting experimenting with infectious diseases from animals and made SIV into HIV that would effect us.

Having said that they say gonnoreah (spell) came from eating camel meat. Allahu Alim And chilled monkey brains looked tasty on raiders of the lost ark number 2. (can't remember the name lol)

Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi

You are right, RP. At the edges of the Roman Empire it was mostly the locals who fought for the Romans being promised Roman citizenship and being fascinated by the Roman lifestyle.

oh dear another hateful person who wont listen to other points of view.....

Aids spread from west africa to east down what is known as the Aids highway due to truckers and prostitution...

i have been down the road... mighty depressing...and not full of gay nightclubs but shacks with sack cloth curtains.

anyway i want some ostrich sausage.........

habiba, the link I posted above for gypsy is also worth being considered.

http://ididnotknowthatyesterday.blogspot.com/2006/12/just-where-did-aids-come-from.html

Three of the earliest known instances of HIV infection are as follows:

- A plasma sample taken in 1959 from an adult male living in what is now the Democratic Republic of Congo.

- HIV found in tissue samples from an American teenager who died in St. Louis in 1969.

- HIV found in tissue samples from a Norwegian sailor who died around 1976.

A 1998 analysis of the plasma sample from 1959 has suggested7 that HIV-1 was introduced into humans around the 1940s or the early 1950s; much earlier than previously thought. Other scientists have dated the sample to an even earlier period - perhaps as far back as the end of the 19th century.

In January 2000 however, the results of a new study presented at the 7th Conference on Retroviruses and Opportunistic Infections, suggested that the first case of HIV-1 infection occurred around 1930 in West Africa . The study was carried out by Dr Bette Korber of the Los Alamos National Laboratory. The estimate of 1930 (which does have a 15 year margin of error) was based on a complicated computer model of HIV's evolution. If accurate, it means that HIV was in existence before many scenarios suggest.

One thing to remember, is as we are not quite sure where AIDS and HIV come from, there is one thing that is certain today, AIDS is still deadly...so protect yourself EVERYTIME!

Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi

It is a dull subject, The Romans were composed of many regional tribes with different habits and cultures.

Every where they conquer they announce their political motives and did mix with the local population. In my opinion, The newspaper clipping has no merit of foundation.

I hear St. Patrick was an Englishman!"

lol, cat, the force be with you

Oh, I know MD, unfortunately the world is full of those people!

My faith is very strong so it'll NEVER happen, my mind will forever be open. ;)

dito, Over...

fatcat, you have to watch out for those who want to close it down. I'm serious.

No, it was the Dutch! Talking of working brains, Gyppo, MD & Fatcat need to work on getting one.

RP, why are you joking? Is this thread so dull?

MD, what I thank God the most was to bless me with an open mind ;)

I hope, it is as you say, cat. You've gotta lose your mind sometimes.

The origins of Aids/HIV started in Canada!!

Freaking Canucks, are just a bunch of bad germ spreading loving folks.....

I hear St. Patrick was an Englishman!"

The premise is that those residing in lands conquered by the Romans have less protection against HIV than those in countries they never reached

What about Africa then, where AIDS is prevailant?

Thanks, MD. It doesn't work all the time, though! LOL

sweetcat, seems you have one. lol

Do you think the tainted blood came from Gyppo?

Is it not just more than a coincidence that it emerged at much the same time as HIV/AIDS was discovered in the gay community? And how come the first cases of HIV/AIDS were found amongst the gay community? If you want to blind yourselves to the realities of the situation then carry on by all means. Perhaps you feel more comfortable in ignoring the truth?

Maybe this article is interesting, gypsy.

http://www3.niaid.nih.gov/news/newsreleases/1999/hivorigin.htm

MD, not all of us were blessed with a working brain.

I find it amazing that a disease that has only been around for the last 35 years is because of Gays. When Homosexuals have been around since almost the beginning of time.

Gypsy is spot on when she says it spread through both hetero and homosexuals like wildfire at the same time!

Besides it was probably some experiment by the goverment that went wrong! I don't believe it came from monkeys either!

Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi

Just did more research, and the Haitian community was more largely effected by AIDs in the 80's then the homosexual community, it just wasn't publicized.

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I "know" nothing about gays in Qatar, overlook. I "heard" there are some. But I like women. And ... you can research any subject without being involved physically. That is, if you have a brain!

Actually HIV was introduced into the "straight" community at virtually the same time as the gay community through tainted blood donations, inter venous drug use, and un protected, sex etc. It just became more publicized in the gay community because of anti-gay bias, i.e. people like you.

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And how do explain your apparently intimate knowledge of the subject MD? Go and eat a sausage with your buddies, but remember gay practices are not legal in Qatar.

They even made a photo to make the featured article looked realistic. LOL

"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach

How do you "know" all that, Overlook?

Wolfie!

How are you today?

ok ok next time i will stay away

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Many gays are also bi's and that being the case they are obviously not very choosy about what they poke, are they?

:)

Overlook, if they "poke female orifices as well", they were not gay. They probably did not know who or what they were!

*sigh*

Minority CAUSED the infection of the majority of communities. How? Because not content with poking male orifices, some of these guys then go and poke female orifices ae well! This practice in turn caused infection of hetro females and their male partners, and so on and etc. It's a crock and it's all down to gay behaviour.

Have a beautiful trip, cat, and enjoy.I am not so dependent on food. I eat what the country offers. And there is always a "local" way to get "high".

:P

RP... Not true at all!

The majority of the population infected by HIV/Aids is heterossexual.

Hm, no blood nor liver ones for me, thanks.

I must go to a German restaurant when I go to SA in October... Actually, there's one in White River run by a German guy. The sausages are delicious. Served with real German beer.

Heaven.

Magic dragon said:

The gay community which is infected is a minority compared to the rest of HIV carrying people.

who are the majority?

The lesbians, The bisexuals and transexuals.

Good logic my friend.

I hear St. Patrick was an Englishman!"

I think my father-in-law will come sooner or later. He always brings "Leberwurst". But you have to compete with my kids, though.

Speaking of Germans... When are you organizing us some nice German sausages? The REAL ones?

Oh, that explains a lot!!

LOL

I was quicker than you!!

Oh, yeah, the Germans are bad guys. Did you know that some historians believe that they originated from Syria?

If you want to link bad things to Antarticans, though, then I'm ok. LOL

same with me, sweetcat, neither serious nor loving people with small minds. Lol.

I'm not serious, MD, I was being sarchastic with my comment.

I just can't stand people trying to link bad things such as Aids to gay people. I just don't like small minded people.

well, that's just not right, Overlook. The gay community which is infected is a minority compared to the rest of HIV carrying people.

I'm talking about the possible origins of HIV/AIDS, and the very clear co-relation between gay practices and HIV/AIDS infection. Who said the Romans got to Japan, China, Oz & Antartica(?)!

then, according to the article, they should be more resistant. Maybe the Mafia immigration into the US might have caused the change in the genetic structure. Why are you soooo serious today, cat?

MD, what are you talking about? All those countries you mentioned do have have either Aids nor homossexuals...

;)

"the entire human race"? The Romans did not invade Japan or China, and surely not the USA. Neither Australia nor Antarctica.

Kindly refer to my previous comment.

Particularly anti gay. But if the sexual predelictions and behaviour of one particular group of people adversely affects the entire human race, then I think that's something that should be talked about, don't you?

Overlook, I refuse to have an argument with anyone who is full of prejudice. Go spread your anti-gay poison somewhere else.

You did read the link, but did you notice that the nature of the disease supposedly imported by the Romans was not specified? What exactly does 'education' have to do with my opinion? 'Education' in most of it's forms is simply indoctrination, a means to implant particular beliefs in the minds of children and the gullible. Many adults (but not all!) recognise this as they gain life experience, and the more intelligent ones are able to put irrelevant elements of their 'education' firmly behind them. Apparently you have not reached this stage yet.

I did read the link and I think your comment on "I wonder if this had anything to do with the Romans penchant for 'gay' behaviour??" was very unfortunate. It seem as if you didn't read the link. Or maybe you're just an uneducated person who does not like gay people.

Why don't you read the link and try to understand it?

Did the Romans also invade Africa, where the highest concentration of HIV is?