I know this book is a shia book but I was not trying to start fitnah. However, I stand by my statement. If you were to research these narrations, you will find many breaks in the chain of narration, narrations that contradict other narrations that are stronger than the ones mentioned in this book, and narrators who have been rejected by the scholars of hadeeth due to their poor character or weak memories. Therefore I wouldn't advise anyone to read this book.
Sorry to rain on everyone's parade, but do you know that the book quoted by Speed is full of weak and fabricated narrations on Ali. So while the quote may sound wise, it probably is not from the statements of Ali may Allah be pleased with him.
... There is a saying of Ali Ibn-e-Abi Talib(as) (son in law of Holy Prophet(pbuh):
"There are four causes of infidelity and loss of belief in Allah: hankering after whims, a passion to dispute every argument, deviation from truth; and dissension, because whoever hankers after whims does not incline towards truth; whoever keeps on disputing every argument on account of his ignorance, will always remain blind to truth, whoever deviates from truth because of ignorance, will always take good for evil and evil for good and he will always remain intoxicated with misguidance. And whoever makes a breach (with Allah and His Messenger) his path becomes difficult, his affairs will become complicated and his way to salvation will be uncertain.
Similarly, doubt has also four aspects absurd reason- ing; fear; vacillation and hesitation; and unreasonable surrender to infidelity, because one who has accustomed himself to unreasonable and absurd discussions will never see the Light of Truth and will always live in the darkness of ignorance. One who is afraid to face facts (of life, death and the life after death) will always turn away from ultimate reality, one who allows doubts and uncertainties to vacillate him will always be under the control of Satan and one who surrenders himself to infidelity accepts damnation in both the worlds."
Taken from:
Peak of Eloquence - Nahjul Balagha
Sermons and Letters of Imam Ali Ibn Abi Talib (as)
Keeping in mind above hadith ... just forget it and do not argue with such people who have passion to disput every argument.
you guys could blame me for whatever but my thread and intentions were clear, i don't what to repate but i noticed a paticular member said something very shameful about religion of this country & mine & I ended up raising my serious concern, I do not even know her or have nothing against but i while no one can control any body espically on open medium like net but i also cannot stay quite,
i know most of you are her friend and are naturally reluctant to understand this, ban of whatever is her personal choice.
that is true but a thread bashing a QL member like that is really nasty and the guy wants to start a social group.... now what skills do you need to start such a group...duhhhhh social!!!
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I miss Gypsy too... Wish she'd come back .. guys pls dont make this thread into anither religion thread... its got nothing to do with it.
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I know this book is a shia book but I was not trying to start fitnah. However, I stand by my statement. If you were to research these narrations, you will find many breaks in the chain of narration, narrations that contradict other narrations that are stronger than the ones mentioned in this book, and narrators who have been rejected by the scholars of hadeeth due to their poor character or weak memories. Therefore I wouldn't advise anyone to read this book.
Ibrahim Fletcher
Yes, barley any reference.
Shia point of view. Its full of wisdom and proverbs there is barley any reference
before saying something i suggest you better do some "deep research".
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You can't teach experience...
Sorry to rain on everyone's parade, but do you know that the book quoted by Speed is full of weak and fabricated narrations on Ali. So while the quote may sound wise, it probably is not from the statements of Ali may Allah be pleased with him.
Ibrahim Fletcher
"I do not even know her or have nothing against "
so why start a hate thread against her??????
Ramadan Kareem to you IRF read Speed's words.
as Azi said what is your next 'ANTI'....
the spirit here is to bring people together not divide and bully. Your post backfired and the person who looks bad certainly isn't Gypo.
Love ya,Gipsy!
Come back!
Request signed by: "Drac"
i'll try to catch some winks later...lol
good night Speed and sweet Azi
PS:
- Speed, i can change your lazy 1,3 with a 3,5 bi-turbo V6.
I need 2 days.
Then you can "negotiate" with Darude! ..:)
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good morning then...
in the world of darkness ;-)
How are you doing ?
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will go to sleep in few mins ...
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better yet...stay away...
Or better yet...help zeeshan_mcse manage the Pakistan group (http://www.qatarliving.com/group/pakistan-group)
Thank you speed for good directions, will avoid these people no more arguments:)
How are you?
We hope to see you Thursday or during the EID , maybe...
Anyway, I do need to speak with you on some matters. I'll give you a call later before noon...
sorry, Azi...i cant go so low!
i'll buy a burger tonight!
yuck!
... There is a saying of Ali Ibn-e-Abi Talib(as) (son in law of Holy Prophet(pbuh):
"There are four causes of infidelity and loss of belief in Allah: hankering after whims, a passion to dispute every argument, deviation from truth; and dissension, because whoever hankers after whims does not incline towards truth; whoever keeps on disputing every argument on account of his ignorance, will always remain blind to truth, whoever deviates from truth because of ignorance, will always take good for evil and evil for good and he will always remain intoxicated with misguidance. And whoever makes a breach (with Allah and His Messenger) his path becomes difficult, his affairs will become complicated and his way to salvation will be uncertain.
Similarly, doubt has also four aspects absurd reason- ing; fear; vacillation and hesitation; and unreasonable surrender to infidelity, because one who has accustomed himself to unreasonable and absurd discussions will never see the Light of Truth and will always live in the darkness of ignorance. One who is afraid to face facts (of life, death and the life after death) will always turn away from ultimate reality, one who allows doubts and uncertainties to vacillate him will always be under the control of Satan and one who surrenders himself to infidelity accepts damnation in both the worlds."
Taken from:
Peak of Eloquence - Nahjul Balagha
Sermons and Letters of Imam Ali Ibn Abi Talib (as)
Keeping in mind above hadith ... just forget it and do not argue with such people who have passion to disput every argument.
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try to find another nick-name, asap!
coz he suck...BIG TIME
like what Oryx said:
Up the ante:
Anti-Gypsy thread
Anti-QLSG thread
What next? Anti-Darude?...
Ahhh...why not anti-NON-MUSLIM?
haha what's with you post when not every one here? what is this a live chat website?
here a tip, the purpose of emails, PM, online fourms is such that one may post, email, PM, anytime so other party can respond to their flexibility,
rusine!
i want her back here in QL.
Everybody is right everybody is wrong, it depend where you stand
you guys could blame me for whatever but my thread and intentions were clear, i don't what to repate but i noticed a paticular member said something very shameful about religion of this country & mine & I ended up raising my serious concern, I do not even know her or have nothing against but i while no one can control any body espically on open medium like net but i also cannot stay quite,
i know most of you are her friend and are naturally reluctant to understand this, ban of whatever is her personal choice.
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HE WHO DARES WINS
I know, QL just isnt the same without her. Where's Mr. Paul as well, huh? Come back people, come back.
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Darude n Gypsy :O
Na i aint lettin you guys to meet her ;)
Genesis ... i am smiling at your 'super drama' comment ... those were the days ...
I miss her posts too. But eventually she always come back ;)
After the DG,QC,GIASI & super drama..I thought she never would.but she did.
QL is never the same without her i think.
Amoud..Gypsy s are those who wanders and never stays anywhere forever. Kiddin
anyways ..am sorry , I have no clue..
Whatevr..Knowing her from her posts.. QL will miss her.
since ALL knew that GYPSY is also connected with Qatarhappening.com, it would complicated the QL-QH relationship.
Gypsy did a self-imposed ban for professional reason and IRF77 has a new target, create another group similar to QLSG coz he got rejected...
Now, I miss GYPSY ;-(
that is true but a thread bashing a QL member like that is really nasty and the guy wants to start a social group.... now what skills do you need to start such a group...duhhhhh social!!!
nah, oryx.. she is not that weak to leave QL because of some weirdo... she is just too busy for such small thing like irf77..
or send her PM she will reply .... lol
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irf77 - he started a hate thread about her...
and now she has gone
and she was my friend
and i miss her...
its dull without gypo
you can't keep in secret whatever is so obviously..
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they are together...
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