Accidents & Police...
This morning was the first time i saw a really bad accident in Qatar with my own eyes... They pulled the driver of the truck out of the mess and lay him on the grass inbetween the 2 streets, he was covered in blood and not moving, not sure if he was dead or not but...
To my suprise, the police arrived and just stood over his body, didnt check his pulse or even touch him... They just waited for the ambulance to come and do their thing...
In the UK if the police arrive to a accident before the ambulance, the police are trained to try and revive people in order to attempt to save those last vital minutes a person might have...
Could one of these police men saved this poor old mans life??
God rest his soul....
leave allah to decide until the ambulance arrives
But surely if "Allah" has given you skills and you feel the will to aid them then they should help them?
Was the guy a local or indian/pakistani/Bangladeshi?
this is sad fact. The police did not try to save the guy's life.
Everybody is right everybody is wrong, it depend where you stand
UKEng, Dora - In the UK you'd be protected for undertaking a good samaritan act. You wouldn't get sued if you were genuinely trying to help someone. I think a couple of people have tried to sue their rescuer, but none have been successful.
Interestingly, in some countries there is a 'duty of rescue' law, which means that all citizens have a duty to try and help someone who is injured or in danger, and they can be held libel if they don't.
"Tie your camel first and then put your trust in Allah"
I think its quite clear.
I have worked on motorways maintenace and reconstruction back in the UK and have seen my share of accidents. Yes we did try to help move things only at the instruction of the right authorities..
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sounds a bit drastic, but its true!
no, one would not administer first aid unless you are prepared to stand up in court when you are party to that persons' death........Don't help unless you are willing to stand up in court!!!
IN the UK they have also stop doing that kinda thing unless one is trained they are advised not to interfer, for the fear of being sued incase things go wrong..
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anytime tallg :)
"The Police man said, 'no, they are only Indians, it does not matter'."
-->That is very inhuman, this is a matter of life and death. And I just hope its not true, else he dont deserve what he oath to be :0/
a story and I stress story as I really don't know to this day if it is true. However, the cynic in me thinks it could be.
Four Indian men killed in a car crash. A Western man got out of his car to see if there was anything he could do. The Police man said, 'no, they are only Indians, it does not matter'.
what worries me here is the number of people who gather at an accident site to watch, the entertainment on offer! wouldn't want people like them "helping" me! But it really obvious that if someone is bleeding or choking to death they should be helped by staunching the flow of blood or clearing their airways.
Still I remember the story of a friend in Saudi who pulled over to help at a fatal accident scene, police arrived, took the victims mobile phone, rang a number stored in the phone, asked "do you know who owns this phone" when told that it was the phone of the mans son, the policeman said "he is dead" and closed the conversation! wouldn't want him helping me too much either!
You should have asked him, which is better...to break a patient bone and treat later? or, patient die instantly? :)
When u feel a severe pain while trying to move the affected area, is one signs of a broken bones. But an advance method of knowing is thru YOU! :D
Sorry for the hijack Samya :)
Thanks for clarifying Apple.
There are non-Qatari police (Jordan,Sudan,Pakistan,Indian and other nationality). But they never get a promotion.
dmigty - I thought all policeman were Qatari.
That's the life here in Middle East.. Leave it all to Allah..Mostly of the policemen here Qatar maybe don't know how to do first aid.They don't know also what to do to ease traffic,how much more helping the victims during an accident..and maybe they are scared of the blood..
maybe it was obvious he had carked it?......
but in this case, did you see if the policemen who arrived were local Qatari? I would presumed that those who pulled the man out of the truck talk to the policemen.
Well. anyway, what would be the first aid that the police can do to the victim? Can we also speculate that the training given to these policemen are what they executed in the field?
We can not judge them by our "culture" as, maybe you will agree with me, that you won't take that "great" risk of giving a helping hand and in the end be the one who will be in trouble? We all have our limitations!
"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
Hi ,This is really very bad to hear .But here is really very careless ...Goverment have to do something for such kind of accident case...Thats it
Some others drivers pulled him out and dragged him to the grass, i think incase of an explosion as there was smoke coming from the front of the truck...
out of the truck?
"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
good point Gypsy
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That's the reason they worry me on the roads, if they drive like an ass and kill themselves along with a family or two... IT IS WILL
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The whole "leave Allah to decide attitude" is one of the reasons I dislike the idea of flying with Muslim piolets or even driving with some Muslims. I mean Allah gave you a brain, use it!
yes sure.. so we need to do something instead of only keep watching..
The danger of moving the patient in a similar accident is when the spinal bone is broken, and moving him from the scene may cause further damage and worst it may results to paralytic. But, that is far more better than losing his life, isn't it? :)
Ok so if someone is bleeding to death, isnt tying somthing around the wound helpful... that could save their life i guess... espechily as it may take 15 minutes for a ambulance to arrive....
It was Qatarkid, in Gypsy's post about children not being buckled in-
"The inshaaAllah attitude is not from Islam ... Tawakkal ...
(or trust in God) is clear in Islam.... One does everything one can and then you leave the rest in God's hands."
dwather...splinting or supporting the arm or leg will actually lessen the pain and prevent more damage, doing nothing will help nothing
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dwatcher, you're wrong. The victim wont care about a broken bone if they're dead. It's better to try and save the victims life.
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"Trouble is a part of our life. If u don't share it U don't give the person who loves you enough chance to love you enough..."
first thing first, they should not touch the body, because he might have a broken bone, you cant see it by your eyes, but you must not touch the man. you might do further damage. check for his pulse. that's the only thing you can do.. you cannot move the victim or patient..
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"Trouble is a part of our life. If u don't share it U don't give the person who loves you enough chance to love you enough..."
ngourlay, yes, someone used that same analogy recently in a similar discussion.
Darn it, I can't remember what the topic was, or who said it but they explained that FIRST we do all we can, THEN we leave it to Allah.
lol MD. :)
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Listen to Many..Speak to a few.
Doesn't Allah help those who help themselves???????
ngourlay..... good example....
Darude does not tie up his camels ....wonder why? :-)
"no brobz abbol bay" :P
lol!
Wasn't there a story from the life of Mohamed, where a man asked him whether he should tie up his camel while he went to pray, or whether he should leave it to Allah's will?
Mohamed said to tie up the camel.
Sorry if I've garbled the story for people who know it better, but it indicates that you should take obvious precautions before you rely on Allah to help you out. I'm no religious expert, but it seems probable that the advice might be applied to strapping your kids into your 4WD, and helping an injured man.
You must not interfere with Allah's will. Don't do anything. Allah knows best.
how they will know about broken bones? by eyes only!
I just called my friend who works in the police and this was his responce:
Yes we do have first aid training but only at the beggining of joining the police, but i forgot everything...
I asked him why this happend this morning...
He said that maybe the police knew he was already dead :(
Hmmm.... how would they know if they didnt even check his pulse...
Ane yes you guys are right, he also told me that they shouldnt touch the body incase of broken bones...
So thats that then...
I find that sentence funny too "Leave Allah to decide until the ambulance arrive". Don't they realize, why Allah decide to gave us this valuable thing called ............"The Brain"? :)
greentea - I don't know, but the good samaritan law is recognised law around the world that basically says that if you try to help someone who is injured (in a traffic accident for example) then you are exempt from prosecution if you end up making things worse. I think Qatar is one of the few countries not to have this law.
leave allah to decide until the ambulance arrives
I too have a problem with this sentence. Who is to say that Allah made it so a person with first aid training (said training was done by Allah's will) came to the scene first to offer help until the ambulance arrived. This could also be allah's will that the man survives through aid this way.
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Thanks... but ive been here 2 and half years already :)
The point is not about police understanding what we are saying, its about them acting quickly and saving someones life... If someone gets shot, would the police arrive and just watch him bleed to death whereas if they act quickly and try and stop the bleeding they could save his life...
Welcome to Qatar.
Totally agree tallg.
I was kind of taken a'back by that comment, obviously i wanted to throttle the guy when he said that.
Yes, police SHLOUD be trained in advanced first aid as they are suppossed to be first on the seen. They basically are in the time frame of saving a life. It's one of those things yer mates back home wouldn't believe you if you told them really. Big list.
As you know though, the fence in this country has very confortable seats on it. everyone wants a seat there.
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Qatar Police is as qualified as any other in the world the problum is they cant use that because of the laws of the country u cannot blame them i have been pulled over quit some times by them if u can talk to them in there language they never i mean never wirte u a ticket but i am sure most of u guys cant and they dont understand a sigle word comming out of your mouth except for bad one what they see is what the write
thats a shame!
do they have that story of "the good samaritan" in their book?
But to be honest with u, the accident caused a massive jam which no ambulance would be able to reach, i was stuck their for at least 15 minutes and in that time i saw no sign of an ambulance, only when the traffic moved i saw it coming, so in that 15 minutes the police didnt even check his pulse... just stood looking :(
SAMAEL - Yes, Qatar's lack of a "good samaritan" law means that you shouldn't help people in accidents as you can be hold responsible if you make them worse, but I thought the police would be immune from this and trained to respond accordingly.
I find this part of what the policeman said to somewhat strange and worrying;
leave allah to decide until the ambulance arrives
Why does allah only have jurisdiction over it until the ambulance arrives? The logic behind it is baffling. You either leave everything in gods hands and have no medical care at all, or you take things into your own hands and do whatever you can to help. Having something between the two is just ridiculous.
Are police here trained in ANYTHING, certainly not driving or directing trafic, like most countries only trained for writting out tickets!
First of all lets be optimistic, may be the man unconscious at that time, secondly yes its a disappointment from the police attitude. they need either first aid training or training how to respond such situation.
Really sucks but we can not change them! Good morning!
"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
It's a dodgey subject here, if you are not a qualified paramedic and you intervene and something goes wrong, you can blamed for it.
I pulled a guy out of a car several years ago and put him in the recovery position checked pulse airway etc. Then the police came and gave greef because of it. They said "you should not do anything, leave allah to decide until the ambulance arrives." obviously i questioned the humanity of their reasoning, and they told me that if he had died, i would have been imprisoned because i touched him before a medical professional had seen him. Even if the paramedics did something wrong it would be my ass because i did something first.
Sucks, but's it's the way it is
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Interesting point. Are police here trained in first aid at all?