How can they do it for "fun"? :(
The teenager who attacked a German school and shot dead 15 people said he was doing it "for fun", according to a driver whose car the killer hijacked.
Tim Kretschmer also talked of attacking another school as he forced Igor Wolf, 41, at gunpoint to drive him away, Mr Wolf told Germany's Stern magazine.
Prosecutors are considering whether to charge Kretschmer's father, who owned the gun, with involuntary manslaughter.
The massacre in Winnenden last week plunged Germany into national mourning.
Kretschmer, 17, used a pistol to kill eight schoolgirls, a schoolboy and three teachers at his former school in the small south-western town, and a bystander nearby, before commandeering Mr Wolf's car.
Mr Wolf eventually managed to veer off the road and escape unharmed but the gunman went on to kill two other people in the town of Wendlingen, 40km (25 miles) away before he shot himself as police closed in.
Kretschmer stole the legally held gun from his businessman father's bedroom, police say.
Agreed....they can't do it for fun. But again they say...eveyone has their own reasons.
Agree with you David, however my main issue was with people wanting to charge the father with Involuntary manslaughter, infact charge the father for being a bad father and throw him in jail for life, i'll be ok with that :p
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He was weak. When you have your own troubles in life like depression you sort them out yourself, you toughen up, or you see a shrink and toughen up. You don't take it out on other people. Killing other people to make your misrable life seem that much oh so better is wrong, if he was going to pull the trigger he may as well of done it only once, when it was held up to his own temple.
naughty son came from that ... ok not always ...
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The Father wasnt nostra demis to know what his kid is upto and if i have a gun and its locked in the event of any armed robbery i first need to look for keys before getting that gun that only if the time and scenario permits.
Anyways if the kid know that where his father is keeping the gun, he surely know how to get it also.
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lol oops Gypsy i didnt click the link to read the whole thing so i guess i missed that part..just read wat was written here. meow meow
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Was just abt to add "but u can get a heart attack buying them:)"
"Ali Baba and 40 thieves" are now "Ali Baba and 30 thieves" ; 10 were laid off.
lol tell that to my girl friend someonenew, i'm getting killed just thinking about diamond ring prices :p
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Read the whole article Smoke:
"A charge of manslaughter is being considered because the father allegedly left the murder weapon unlocked in his bedroom despite knowing his son was depressed."
UNLOCKED = ILLEGAL = Involuntary manslaughter
You cant kill anyone with jewellery smoke:)
"Ali Baba and 40 thieves" are now "Ali Baba and 30 thieves" ; 10 were laid off.
The guy was depressed smoke. He probably didnt know right/wrong etc. If the parents knew that he had a mental condition then they shud have monitored him/got him help/hire someone to look after him(if they were too busy) not leave a gun where he can find it and kill people! Remember - with great power comes great responsibility(spiderman). Its just my opinion smoke. you dont have to agree with me.
"Ali Baba and 40 thieves" are now "Ali Baba and 30 thieves" ; 10 were laid off.
That is exactly my point FS no parent can predict what their kid is going to do next, nor can they keep tab of everything they do.
Gypsy read "Kretschmer stole the legally held gun from his businessman father's bedroom, police say."
keyword there being STOLE, people steal things that are kept in safe places all the time right? so again how do we know it was not kept in a safe place, under lock and key? and some how the kid got a hold of the key to this lock...:p
Again thats like people saying if your jewelry got stolen from your safe you shouldnt have had jewelry in your house in the first place, then no one would come to rob your house.
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We cant really predict what a depressed person will be doing in the next hour... maybe he was not in his sense when he did it.
If the boy was a normal teenager there is nothing wrong..he at least know the consequences....
smoke you got a point there...... but Germans are Germans and they got to do what they got to do.
Having a gun in Germany is NOT easy, you got to go thru all sorts of stuff till they let you have them at home.
And it's a "Sport" shooting guns in Germany, that is how you can get them ..... but different story.
Smoke, he owned the gun legally, but the gun wasn't locked up, which is illegal. Therefore, involuntary manslaughter.
what's her responsibility on this incident. She should be supervisng her son?
"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
The gun could have been in the house much before the kid got depressed. "shouldnt have had a gun in the house in the first place" is not a satisfactory argument. Germany allows you to own a gun. its for your own personal protection, so having the gun in the house is out of the question here. the boy was 17 yrs old and knew right from wrong, he was fully aware of what he was doing.
Makes me wonder the boy who committed suicide in City center was 17 yrs old too, i think his folks should be held responsible for his action and the many kids that are left traumatized, i think they should be in jail too.
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well , smoke I guess they just have to punish somebody for the crime, now that the kid has died.
I think the father didn't even know , how serious the depression of the kid was, and they would have never dreamed that he would do such a terrible thing.
at some point you will not know what your kids is doing or going thru......i mean have we not all been like that , being a teenager , my parents wanted to stop me from many things,BUT I still did it , being a hard head . And of course my parents didn't even know half the stuff I did , I didn't tell them.
The the kid's friend and the friend's Dad would be charged with manslaughter. Guns are not toys.
Even if Germany didnt have that law I still think thats its the father's fault. Mind you, I'm not saying the kid is not at fault too but I feel if the father knew the kid was depressed he shouldn't have had a gun in the house in the first place. Its easy for the father to say I didnt know, he stole it etc, but being a father is a huge responsibility and just becasue he was careless with his gun/son 15 people have lost their lives. Most of them kids. I think the dad shud be held responsible.
"Ali Baba and 40 thieves" are now "Ali Baba and 30 thieves" ; 10 were laid off.
umm-salayum i agree 100% that the dad is guilty for letting the kid to be depressed for whatever reasons and not giving the required care or attention and i've already mentioned this before. What i just cant get around is why the father should be charged for manslaughter? it makes no sense to me.
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smoke is right , you can get a gun IF you want to, there is always a black market for everything. SMoke if you like it or not, the parents /father are responsible for the upbringing of the his child , but that is a different story.
However , a lot of things are out of control of the parents , and the society in Germany is not a friendly one , if you are a out sider , i know it just to good, coming from there
I have just saved my kids from that mess , by leaving .....
Gypsy lets say for the sake of argument now if this kid's friend was equally stupid as this guy and the friend's dad owned a gun..and then the friend bought the gun to show this depressed kid, and thats how he got hold of a gun. Who then would be responsible for the depressed kids actions? The Friend, the Friend's dad, the depressed Kid's Dad, of All of them?
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umm-salayum agreed that is the law, however how do we know the gun was not kept in a safe place and that the kid had knowledge of its whereabouts?
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No he couldn't have gotten a gun from anywhere Smoke. The gun laws in Germany are very strict, it would have been nearly impossible for him to find one. His father was irresponsible by not locking the gun up.
Someonenew, the freaking kid could have got a gun from anywhere if he wanted to. the kid's actions were his own and blame cant be put on the father. the only thing the father is guilty of is not taking better care of his son, or giving him enough love or whatever it was to make the kid depressed. Dont justify the kid's deeds by saying its the father's fault.
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because , in Germany you have to lock up your guns in a safe at all times. If you don't you break the law in Germany,that alone is a crime.
Not only in Qatar MD
Fun or no fun, the biggest culprit is society!
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charging his father is like finding some one to point their guns at...the whole society is responsibile for this..its time for their govt to do some serious introspection about whats happening with their society and culture...kids started looking at the real world like in a video game..its not the first incident of the similar kind..similar incidents were reported from US as well...
The dad shud be charged. Hes responsible for the depressed kid getting the gun.
"Ali Baba and 40 thieves" are now "Ali Baba and 30 thieves" ; 10 were laid off.
In Qatar they use cars instead of guns. What's the difference?
I'm glad the father is being charged with manslaughter. Having guns around makes things like this easier.
true, they're playing with their lives.. :(
No really i dont understand this...its like saying you will be charged for murder coz someone stole your gun? So the kid was depressed, he found the gun and used it. its not like the father handed him the gun. Owning a gun is for your own protection, and it wont matter where the gun is kept as long as the boy knew where to find it. So again my question how is the father responsible for the careless and cowardly acts of his son?
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Russian roulette is also made for fun... they call it "game of chance".
KIDS: don't try this at home!
we'll never know what really goes through in a mind of somebody suffering from depression.. :(
I think the root cause for all these is poor family ties... World is running too fast behind material pleasures..what u say?
His father is a rich business man...obviously he will need it considering the crimes in US and Europe.
the story here on BBC is totally different form the story on the German news, it was NEVER mentioned the boy did it for fun.
He had other problems, they like to blame it on the violent video games he played .....BUT I think the kids the society is to blame, making the boy feel useless and helpless.
don't believe all the news tells you, the want to make it sound all dramatic
Not only that FS - I always wonder why these countries give license to all tom dick nd harry.
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...lookslike a case of mental illness...or may be too much of video games...
Life is Beautiful...Indeed!
they have everything ... and they get bored
Beause his father was irresponsible, how can he leave the gun unlocked when he know that his son is under depression.
and why exactly should the father be charged?
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