Typical

where you can control people.... this is a virtual world where there is no control ... if you are free and have enough free time, then you can sit for whole day just to 'Argue' for nothing ...

"The days of life pass away like clouds, so do good while you are alive" (Ali Ibn-e-Abi Talib)

no. read m last statement.

Why should you insult anyones beliefs.

If you believe your way of life is superior show it by your actions and deeds. not words

ok here comes our term, as a Muslim , if i read something posted from a Muslim, which is discussing other religion or any other believes , and i found that it would have insulted me if it was posted to my believes.

then my turn as Muslim, to tell that this thread is inappropriate.

and vice verse

The problem Fathy is that I honestly don't get insulted that easily. The probles arrises that when someone says something to me that I don't find insulting, then I turn around and say the same thing to them and they are insulted.

It's the dish it out but can't take it situation.

Gypsy

why dont we be initiative??

let us try to do that .

every time you see something is insulting from ur point of view you tell about it, and we ( me and other interested ppl) supports you so the MOD can deleted.

on the other hand if anyone sees some thing is insulting from his/her POV then you, me and other supports him/her so the MOD can delete it

sounds crazy, but if it ends with all the posts to be deleted then we all know that the idea of being all in one place is difficult, but if it ends with other better way then we may be all satisfied

Gone for a few months, only to come back and find that absolutely nothing has changed lol...people will always be people and some things never change :)

I'm not always right, but I'm never wrong -Garfield

Yes I know Alexa. It's tough being a prosecuted minority sometimes. :(

ROFL. I suppose not. Though I'll be damned if I haven't defended my share of religious freedom.

argh !.. wat a shitty topic.. ;P !

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Well yes, that's my complaint tallg, I don't mind people shitting on my beliefs as long as I can shit on there's, unfortunately that's not the case.

:?

To be fair gypsy, I don't think you're the first person most people think of coming crying to! No offence like :)

Hey guys, tell ya what, the next time someone makes jokes about Islam or doesn't let some woman wear her hijab wherever, don't come crying to me ok. I'm done.

See that doesn't bother me - people can sh!te on my beliefs all they like. It's when they turn round and say that other beliefs can't be shat on.

I'm lucky. I have no beliefs. So, nobody can shit on me.

the hypocrisy of both sides. hmp..

kadaut...

Wow, it's so nice being someone who's beliefs can be shat on. :P

Yer should understand that by now.:P

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I think you have me confused with someone who gives a sh1t.

stealth - so you're saying it's ok to insult atheists but not Chritians or Jews?

But they do, doobie doo.

did anyone here insult the basic rules of christianity or Judaism ? Yes there has been instances of Hinduism being insulted. Insulting of any religion is wrong.

BTW most of the people dont identify Athesim as a religion.

Muslims by rule are not allowed to insult other people's beliefs. To each his way. period.

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Towards who Alexa? I'm not being patronizing am I.

Well Gypsy my gal you are a rebel without a cause...lol

Ooops I mean with a cause..lol

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I saw both threads, and I think Gypsy has achieved what she set out to. She has highlighted the hypocrisy, and she has raised an awareness that it is not ok to "joke" about certain things if you are not able to take the reversal of that joke.

Someone already changed the name to Filipino and he still didn't get it, and neither did others. I took it one step further.

Gypsy.. The author of the joke goes by the name of Hu Wan.. which sound chinese. Dear why did you not change the athiest to Chinese.. Would that have served the purpose?

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yeah Alexa and Gypsy

but insulting will never ever end. because i said before it is just relative.

what u dont see insulting other will see it ( when u hate the Pope or dis-respect him other ppl will see it very insulting)

ongoing..............

Alexa, somewhere, deep down, I'd like to think people can change and have some common sense. I'm still optimistic about this world I guess.

You're just discrediting yourself now Hu Wan. I actually think what you've just implied about Gypsy is more insulting than calling atheists fools, but I wont rise to that bait.

Regarding the thread of yours that was deleted - I actually think you truly believe it was just a joke and wasn't insulting, and it seems we can't say anything to change your mind on that. I'm not sure who that's a worse reflection on.

"Gypsy said Took the words right out of ...

= Took the words (cock) right out of my mouth Tallg".

Excuse me??????? I DO NOT think that's what I said.

And I'm saying I don't respect the Pope (same as many other Catholics are doing) not insulting the entire religion or group.

When are you going to realize that what you posted was NOT funny and was VERY insulting to a group of people on this site?

That’s what i was saying... most of the people in here belong to that one group....and the other group is not that popular..

and tallg, hope you're happy now.

Just want to print some comments here from a thread initiated by gypsy about the Pope re. his statement about condoms as useless tools to prevent the spread of Aids. Relevance? Just read their comments and decide if what I made is truly abhorrent.

N.B. words in parenthesis are supplied by me, but was implied in their comments.

"Gypsy said Took the words right out of ...

= Took the words (cock) right out of my mouth Tallg".

"Gypsy said dmighty, why should I give ...

= dmighty, why should I give this guy (pope) respect?? He's single handedly signed the death certificates for thousands if not millions of people! He doesn't deserve respect!"

"tallg said As I said dmigty - I stand ...

= As I said dmigty - I stand by my first comment. He is a cock for what he said, and I'm using cock as a derogatory term meaning something along the lines of idiot.

Wed, 18/03/2009 - 2:44pm

"MR PAUL said DMS, if i think the pope is an idiot, i can say it.My perogative ..."

"MR PAUL said Or they could just line up all the leading religious figures, ...

and shoot the twats, and let people live their lives as they choose, instead of filling their heads with all sorts of stupid crap......."

My piece that was deleted by the Mod was purely a joke and there was no intention of hurting, maligning, or ridiculing anybody in particular. Was done in the spirit of fun but it certainly wasn't to some. I guess, it does freak me seeing my name mentioned here for that piece I wrote. Seems some didn't get a sleep over it. But I don't want to say anything more on that issue. The Mod has already deleted it, and if indeed I violated a rule here please accept my profuse apologies...

i assume some kind soul out there is gonna PM me the joke?

Jokes have for the most part always been at the expense of another, be it person or belief. Sucks, but is true.

i tend to agree with the gypo though. Knock it all off or have it all on. Haven't seen the joke though, so can't really judge

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Da - it's not about the criticism itself, it's about the double standards, where someone was claiming that it's ok to insult one group of people but not another.

that is why it is called INSULT, insult is just a relative thing.

but let me tell you somethin, the insult or the dis-respect starts from the offended person.

because if i am respecting others, they will do the same to me even if they dont like me because they will be afraid to be called racist.

but if i do not respect others they will not respect me.

as Muslim working with atheists for a long time, i can tell u.

people they are just like sharks, if u leave them in peace then, they will not attack you ( i am talking about normal ppl)

Sarcasm is also some thing could be taken seriously by twisted brains and could be taken lightly by understandable one's

Well i am also Muslim and i also see the criticism here

and i cant force any one or impose myself on any one to have a firm belief on it. its up to one how they see and how they used to see from their point of view. i dont mind what you think about Muslims or what she thinks about Muslims here on site as i said before its just kinda Show off for some members here trying to be proud that i am Muslim and then get criticized by non Muslim members sure they do deserve it.

It wasn't funny... so why was it posted under the funnies ???

I think this discussion has run its course.. Exit stage left...

I agree Fathy, and the biggest problem in the world today is others refusing to take into consideration the feelings of others, and having no qualms about insulting others but being unable to take insults themselves.

Where it's posted is irrelevant.

The point is neither of them were jokes. They were insults. But some people see insulting atheists as acceptable, while insulting Muslims isn't.

WALI KHALI

this site is a representing exactly what is going on in the world.

people will be in the same controversial discussion ( maybe more than discussion) forever.

Gypsy , Dont expect anything from this discussion BUT one thing More haters and more splitting in QL groups.

sorry but u know it is the truth

just wish for better world

Well she is right

and thats not really good.

Her topic was posted in Funnies which really wasnt meant for serious discussion where as Wan Hu or Hu wan what ever his silly id is was posted on General Forum and that one could have been taken seriously.

Now all you mod and admin go get in the corner and do sit stand 100 times.

My thread was meant to be a joke to DMighty.

Majority wins...as simple as that...

Why, so the same thing can continue to happen VB? better to get it out in the open and solved, this kind of double standard has been going on on this site for awhile now.

self-serving. And as I always reiterated, you can not please everyone because we have different point of views. It is those in authorities to do their job. If they want to delete something (even in our opinion, is not justifiable) they will still do it. If we appeal, still the same, "damage" is done.

But again, my position is, Hu Wan's thread is meant to be a joke. If you see it otherwise, you're entitled to it.

"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"

Remember, there is always Qatar Social....

Everything gonna be alright!!!

You are creating War Like situations and this is NOT fair and just.

Instead creating such forums; send PM's and discuss personally rather creating a BIG case, I know you have good support from Like minded QLers.

Live in Peace.

ok ok fine :?

ooopsy.

I don't care that my post was deleted, I knew it would be. What I'm trying to point out is the hypocrisy on this site, that it's ok to insult one group but not another.

Why delete this thread? My point is still the same?

you guys have always been part of this site and were always supported so dont get disappointed just because a topic was deleted. if you think no one is listening to you then go bug the admin send him email warn him if you did this again will get your balls. :D

Cheer up

VB i too showed some maturity there...:)

.typical

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.that's all......

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for showing maturity and great understading Paul, KH, Speed, Brit, Baldrick and Gypsy.

Call MOD / ADMIN to DELETE this THREAD.

If they want to follow, they will find it out for them selves.Full stop.Period.

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I think you have me confused with someone who gives a sh1t.

sorry i diverted the topic just to ease the argument a bit... sorry for the Hijack ..!! :(

:( Speed bro i shall jump from my shoe heels

I'm tried of ignoring.

respect to get respect"...

Gyps, I am not insulting YOU at all but making all of us understand the sentiments and respect of Islam is different than other religions, please believe me.

Respect all religious faith, cultures, traditions and behave responsibly when on QL being we are in ME/GCC.

It will again open a big can of worms if I would say recall the insults of ISLAM/prophets and strong protest and reciprocation by all muslims countries and people in the WORLD, WHY SO? PLEASE UNDERSTAND...for PEACE SAKE!

It is not acceptable fighting in the open forum!!!

What does it matter Speed who was doing the insulting? It was the fact that it was Insulting those who do share the same set of beliefs, just like when I traded the word Athiests for Muslims.

CROWD OF WOMEN:

[yelling]

JEWISH OFFICIAL:

Matthias, son of Deuteronomy of Gath.

MATTHIAS:

Do I say 'yes'?

STONE HELPER #1:

Yes.

MATTHIAS:

Yes.

OFFICIAL:

You have been found guilty by the elders of the town of uttering the name of our Lord, and so, as a blasphemer,...

CROWD:

Ooooh!

OFFICIAL:

...you are to be stoned to death.

CROWD:

Ahh!

MATTHIAS:

Look. I-- I'd had a lovely supper, and all I said to my wife was, 'That piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah.'

CROWD:

Oooooh!

OFFICIAL:

Blasphemy!

He's said it again!

CROWD:

Yes! Yes, he did! He did!...

OFFICIAL:

Did you hear him?!

CROWD:

Yes! Yes, we did! We did!...

WOMAN #1:

Really!

[silence]

OFFICIAL:

Are there any women here today?

CROWD:

No. No. No. No...

OFFICIAL:

Very well. By virtue of the authority vested in me--

[CULPRIT WOMAN stones MATTHIAS]

MATTHIAS:

Oww! Lay off! We haven't started yet!

OFFICIAL:

Come on! Who threw that? Who threw that stone? Come on.

CROWD:

She did! She did! He did! He! He. He. Him. Him. Him. Him. He did.

CULPRIT WOMAN:

Sorry. I thought we'd started.

OFFICIAL:

Go to the back.

CULPRIT WOMAN:

Oh, dear.

OFFICIAL:

Always one, isn't there? Now, where were we?

MATTHIAS:

Look. I don't think it ought to be blasphemy, just saying 'Jehovah'.

CROWD:

Oooh! He said it again! Oooh!...

OFFICIAL:

You're only making it worse for yourself!

MATTHIAS:

Making it worse?! How could it be worse?! Jehovah! Jehovah! Jehovah!

CROWD:

Oooooh!...

OFFICIAL:

I'm warning you. If you say 'Jehovah' once more--

[MRS. A. stones OFFICIAL]

Right. Who threw that?

[silence]

Come on. Who threw that?

CROWD:

She did! It was her! He! He. Him. Him. Him. Him. Him. Him.

OFFICIAL:

Was it you?

MRS. A.:

Yes.

OFFICIAL:

Right!

MRS. A.:

Well, you did say 'Jehovah'.

CROWD:

Ah! Ooooh!...

[CROWD stones MRS. A.]

OFFICIAL:

Stop! Stop, will you?! Stop that! Stop it! Now, look! No one is to stone anyone until I blow this whistle!

Do you understand?! Even, and I want to make this absolutely clear, even if they do say 'Jehovah'.

CROWD:

Ooooooh!...

[CROWD stones OFFICIAL]

WOMAN #1:

Good shot!

[clap clap clap]

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I think you have me confused with someone who gives a sh1t.

Have a feeling that it will be deleted or closed soon.

Anyhow. Islam does not allow under any circumstances and for any reason to insult others whether Muslims or not. Also does not allow any Muslim to judge others. It is true that the word Kuffar is mentioned in the Quran. That word is stated by God and it is not for us to stick that word to our tongues and throw it on people that we do not like or those who do not believe in what we believe.

The only thing a Muslim is allowed, is to advise/tell a non-Muslim and guide him/her to Islam. That's all. Period. FullStop.

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I'm sure Jehovah would have eaten Hamour not Halibut. You statement is fishist!

there is a big whole worldwide outside Islam, my belief will remain mine. If someone calling those unbelievers as Kaffirs on QL is not by their choice....It is referred in Qu'ran.

Anyways we shall close such discussions amicably without indulging in further details.

Gyps, it is not insulting YOU at all but making all of us understand the sentiments and respect of Islam is different than other religions, please believe me.

Respect all religious faith, cultures, traditions and behave responsibly when on QL being we are in ME/GCC.

It will again open a big can of worms if I would say recall the insults of ISLAM/prophets and strong protest and reciprocation by all muslims countries and people in the WORLD, WHY SO? PLEASE UNDERSTAND...for PEACE SAKE!

It is not acceptable fighting in the open forum!!

LOL...

Rizk you gonna jump from the 7th floor of your office or from your office desk ?

:( Plz dont argue friends, or else i will Suicide.....:(

Avoidance doesn't always educate and continues to let ignorance flourish

I often avoid.... Gypsy chose to point something out and people got upset... so she was sucessful - showing that you should treat others as you wish to be treated.

All those people who want to make people 'fully aware' of their religious beliefs.... are you 'fully aware' of the beliefs of others????

Gypsy make a post to point out the hypocrasy.....which was sucessful.

Just because someone doesn't have the same point of view or belief as you doesn't mean they are wrong or foolish it means it is different....

Just respect that and stop patronising....

Ah, religious group who believe in GOD. so Buddhists, Hindus or Sikhs could have been the butt of the joke, in which case it is totally inappropriate to think one religion is better than the others.

Case closed.

Then its alright for me to say "Jehovah" ?

Exactly dmigty. The point is that this wasn't a joke, it was an insult. There's a subtle difference that some need to realise. If you aren't willing to substitute the subject of a joke with another subject then it's probably not a joke but an insult.

If it was acknowledged stereotype that atheists were fools, and atheists had done something to generate this stereotype, then it would be a good joke. But that isn't the case, so it became an outright insult. Just as it was when Muslim was substituted for Atheist.

Anyhow, my intentions are not to argue or support anyone here..

Just to tell you and others to LEARN TO AVOID such people or such threads.

Best soultion is to inform the MOD thru contact. They will do the needful.

And ofcourse MOD will listen to you :-D

Just ignore the ignorant and don't stoop to their level.

They don't have a good view from down there. ;)

can find stuff out on my own.

I dont need it shoving down my neck at every twist and turn.

FYI, I actually know more about Islam than i do Christianity, cos i sit and read about it on the web.

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I think you have me confused with someone who gives a sh1t.

if all this subject will react negatively, then where will be the demarcation line be? If it's a joke, it's a joke. If it's an insult, it is! Where's your funny bones?

"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"

That's the major issue here, for you its a book BUT for us it is a HOLY BOOK with all the WORDS of GOD.....

This is the concept of democracy, if you don't agree with Islam, You are FREE to follow whatever Religion personally and, our job is to just make you aware that's all and close the chapter.

"Two large flat ones and a packet of gravel...."

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I think you have me confused with someone who gives a sh1t.

I wouldn't have accepted ANY word in their, whether it be the name of a race or religion. Anything you put into that space was insulting. HENCE Why I changed it to Muslim so people would stop saying it isn't insulting.

The issue is not that atheists were insulted. The issue is the double standards - in that Hu Wan would not have posted a joke whose punchline called a religious group fools.

Gypsy, out of interest, would you have accepted 'infidel' in the original "joke"?

From dictionary.com:

a⋅the⋅ist  –noun- a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.

Origin:

1565–75; < Gk áthe(os) godless + -ist

Synonyms:

Atheist, agnostic, infidel, skeptic refer to persons not inclined toward religious belief or a particular form of religious belief. An atheist is one who denies the existence of a deity or of divine beings.

An agnostic is one who believes it impossible to know anything about God or about the creation of the universe and refrains from commitment to any religious doctrine.

Infidel means an unbeliever, especially a nonbeliever in Islam or Christianity.

A skeptic doubts and is critical of all accepted doctrines and creeds.

So because a book tells you its ok to abuse/insult other religions/non religions, that makes it right does it ?

Its things that are said by people like you who give Islam a bad name in the world.

You believe in Islam, and Im guessing yer living a pious life. Good for you, but you also have to respect others who choose not to follow your chosen path.

After all, we all bleed Red.

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I think you have me confused with someone who gives a sh1t.

The point of posting the joke with Atheist changed to Muslim was to prove that some people think it's ok to insult certain groups of people and not others.

Hu Wan said he would not tell a bad joke where the punchline was unfounded and insulting about a religious group of people, but thought it was ok to tell a similar joke about non-religious group. Gypsy was trying to point out the double standards.

The joke didn't work since the punchline was not based on any acknowledged stereotype or fact. It was simply an insult.

You can't teach experience...

OK, but remember that females are not allowed at stonings..

we are here in muslim country,it means for being insulted by the other member,it means muslims have that kind of atittude.????it shows in every thread..

it was one or two person attacking your believes, for which i personally feel sorry and never commented.

I agree with you that MOD should have closed that thread on the day first ...

Since I know you and I felt bad that you did the same 'Stupid' thing what others were doing... which does not suits your personality.

There is an example in our language:

"If you hit your leg in the mud, you will make your leg dirty" So better to avoid :-)

I'm only one person Speed. And I was trying to demonstrate to those "one or two people" (Which are really more like a dozen people" How and Why the joke was insulting. Since they couldn't seem to understand.

its all fault of Paula and Brit

stone them i am with you i will carry huge rocks to hit them with.

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I think you have me confused with someone who gives a sh1t.

Oh yeah, Mums side of the family were Jewish, Dad's side Christian. Me, I didn't want to take sides ;o)

Well Baldrick I'm getting a bit sick of being insulted on this site.

insulting here.how about those member have a sarcastic atittudes?someone posting a thread,then a lot of members here replying a rude answer?is this person is muslim also?what they want to prove?is it unfair from the others if the MOD just only see that...are you MOD..?

Are you talking about FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION? Is there such a thing on this forum?

The Moderators of this site are Muslim, so expect that all bashing against Islam or it's followers will be deleted.

If they were Christians, expect any Anti-Christian posts to be deleted at first sight of it.

It's not because things are difficult that we don't dare, it's because we don't dare that makes things difficult!

The athiest thread was up for days Brit, and I was sick of hearing about how it was "just a joke" amazing how it wasn't "just a joke" when I changed one word.

I believe we are living in a Musilim country, not an athiest one.

Respect your hosts and maybe they will respect you.

BTW, I'm an athiest too and was not in the least offended by the original "joke".

I think that rightly or wrongly, the joke "worked" when aimed at atheists and did not , when aimed at Muslims.

Perhaps the reason is that most do not regard "Atheism" as a valid belief, so feel that its quite OK to ridicule it.

Now if you, as an a atheist, took offence, then that is your right and the mods took action to delete the posting.

They have done the same whe you posted the same joke and Muslims took offense..

Does that make sense ??? Are we Jews to be insulted next ???

Unfortunately some use religion to justify the unjustifiable

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What so VB, again, I'm allowed to be insulted and you're allowed to insult me, but I'm not allowed to dish it back?

HYPOCRIT Much?

respect the fact that other people may not believe in a god, without all the kaffir name calling that goes on on QL.

Contary to what you may believe, there is a whole big wide world outside Islam.

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I think you have me confused with someone who gives a sh1t.

Speed I posted the EXACT same joke that Hu Wan posted, but changed the word Athiests to Muslims. He said his post was NOT insulting towards anyone. If you were insulted when I changed the words, why should I not have been insulted?

Gyps, you need to understand more about Islam and its RESPECT among Muslims, is totally and absolutely different from other religions/its followers!

WHO DARED INSULT THE ATHIESTS?? WELL AREN'T WE GROWN UPS HERE YET...THERE AINT NO GOD OF ANY KIND...BELIEVING IN ONE IS BELIEVING IN SANTA CLAUS...PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING TOO.

Community in general.. you should have pointed the person who offended your and others feeling.

I am sorry If any of my words have ever hurt your feelings. But truly I was not expecting you to create such thread. Coz I know you are an educated person who will never act in such a way.

To be honest those who offend others are low class category people. They don't have life so they cannot see others live peacefully.

Islam is a religion of Peace and Respect. Whoever (even a Mulsim) who does aginst his religion is not regarded as a good person in they eye of God and also he is not repected in the Community in general.

"all animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others"

posted was there for a few days, then someone changed it to a muslim and it has been removed by the mods....

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I think you have me confused with someone who gives a sh1t.

Both are now entitled "removed by mods" Da, but only because the shit throwing got to bad on the athiests one, otherwise that insulting joke would have been left up.

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I think you have me confused with someone who gives a sh1t.

where gal?