Runaway housemaid

blow the horn to be served, how would these people have jobs. we are helping them. they serv us at the shops in our cars. they have job. have money. we are good for them. do you pay the boy who take your shopping cart to your car for you each time. do you take the shopping cart back inside the shop after you finish shoping< NO YOU DONT, the shop employs a boy to collect them, so you are doing the sane as me, helping keep people employed

Power to the non believers, it’s a great feeling to have and hold.

do you sit outside a shop in your car and blow your horn so that the other poor servants run to fufill your wishes??

Housemaid!!

how can you possibly think you are fair, even righteous, about treating another fellow human being like that!

OHHH, I forgot,,,they aren't considered human here are they....sorry about my lapse of memory....

700 QR a month,,,,give me a break.

Asmak, i know thery are many ppl (Male) working in hot sun for the salary what u mention, but they only thing is they get OT say around half of the salary. but they pays huge amount to the Agents in their home country. Thats called their pooverty, if really she is poor, she dont keep 4 BFs as u said. I feel only one. Gypsy if she needs more salary she could have been asked them for a hink or else left the job where Asmak is ready to give release, You dont consider only salary, Normally salary depends to nationality and type of business of the companey and profit, so oil fields pays more for an secrectory at the mean time small contracting co pays less. we are not supposed to comment on that. You try to give a solution instead of an argument. LoL

Asmak, i know thery are many ppl (Male) working in hot sun for the salary what u mention, but they only thing is they get OT say around half of the salary. but they pays huge amount to the Agents in their home country. Thats called their pooverty, if really she is poor, she dont keep 4 BFs as u said. I feel only one. Gypsy if she needs more salary she could have been asked them for a hink or else left the job where Asmak is ready to give release, You dont consider only salary, Normally salary depends to nationality and type of business of the companey and profit, so oil fields pays more for an secrectory at the mean time small contracting co pays less. we are not supposed to comment on that. You try to give a solution instead of an argument. LoL

This post has been going for ages now; it is interesting to be honest.

A lot of people over here employ maids. I don't, I employ a lovely lady once a week to clean my house from top to bottom, the bedrooms, bathrooms, she changes linen, she polishes and she mops. The other 6 days I do it.

I bring up my kids, I am the one that dusts the skirting boards, washes the windows, cleans the cooker, the fridge and freezer, etc etc.

My cleaner comes on a Thursday, so the house is tidy and clean for us at the weekend.

She leaves me a list of things I need to buy for her to clean my house, she also tells me what needs repairing.

I leave her wages in an envolope for her at the month end. I also leave her books, magazines, DVD's we have finished with, clothes I don't wear anymore and toys for her kids.

I do see her, but it is a fleeting glance. I say; ' thank you, she says; you are welcome'.

My point is......what is your idea of a maid/cleaner/lady that does?

If you invite somebody into your house to do EVERYTHING for you and you offer very little in return, what do you expect?

Giving them food? Why would you not feed them? That is a basic Human Right.

Allowing them to bathe? Do you want somebody who smells in your house?

They are looking after (in most cases) your most precious thing................your children.

The question is, is this person fish or foul?????

I know a lot of people here look after their maids.

They are not maids though are they, they are doing what a wife/homemaker should do.

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I have a friend and he has a 3 years old daughter and their Filipina maid one day went crazy she wants to go home for no good reason? she hold down the little girl's hand into a hot stove. result? 2nd degree burn. Now the maid is in prison for 2 years findings? the girl's hand was obviously hold down. now the poor little girl remains in a state of shock.

The general rule here is don't give your 100%trust to your maid/nanny because no matter how good you show and give to your maid/nanny they still do things that you cannot imagine they will do in return.Just like what happened to one maid/nanny in one compound in Dafna after ,all the good things that her employer show to her,she had the guts to allow her lover inside her room while her employer is out and doing that things that should not be happened.

I agree Jackfrost, a maid shouldn't be treated like a family member.. of course she must be treated with respect but also with limits andthat was our big mistake..

calm down disregardknowledge.. i have posted a photo and they have removed it (don't start telling me it is not legal, i have posted the photo in the newspaper already) it is not based on the description (i didn't even describe the woman, i have just said she is Ethiopian so she will have some special caracteristics like africans same thing appliable to any other race or nationalities. like if i say she is indian or filippino.. sorry but u r totally missing the point.. who is talking abt racism and slavery...

wowou calm down disregardknowledge.. i have posted a photo and they have removed it (don't start telling me it is not legal, i have posted the photo in the newspaper already) it is not based on the description (i didn't even describe the woman, i have just said she is Ethiopian so she will have some special caracteristics like africans same thing appliable to any other race or nationalities. like if i say she is indian or filippino.. sorry but u r totally missing the point.. who is talking abt racism and slavery...

My compliments to PM. You hit the nail on the head!!!

Just because you can pay them a certain amount that is STILL very low doesn't mean it is right!!!!!!!!!

I am sick of people comparing wages to other countries in order to make themselves feel better about the low wages they pay maids!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At least there is one maid in Qatar who is paid a decent salary and is provided with decent living conditions AND a work schedule that provides for freedom of movement and is overall treated with respect!! Again, my compliments to you!

You totally missed my point!!!

I will say it again. Do you now know that during the days of LEGAL slavey, many free people were forced into slavery based on their looks if they looked 'similar' to a slave who escaped!!!!!!!!

The way this person who lost her housekeeper is speaking, she is conveying a message similar to "be on the lookout for an Ethiopian woman who blah blah blah, etc, etc, etc.!!!!

TELL ME WHO DOES NOT MEET HER DESCRIPTION!!!!!!!!!!!

Therefore if this were the days of past years, many innocent people would be labeled as the escapee and returned. The 'owner' would then simply look at it as a form of reimbursement if it wasn't the correct person.

Now I will give you the benefit of the doubt and say you weren't aware of such practices or should I ask HOW IN THE HECK CAN YOU TAKE MY COMMENT AS CRITISCISM OF ANYONE WHO DOES AN HONEST DAY'S WORK SUCH AS HOUSEKEEPING?!!!

Amoud, you totally missed my point. I didn't say anything was wrong with cleaning for a living!!!!

Asmak, it is really a pity to end up relationships with anybody on this sad tone, especially if someone is like a family member...just let her go, probably she didn't feel your friendly attitude if instead of saying goodbye and ending up the contract , she preferred to escape...it looks like she felt more like a slave...

anyway don't be afraid that she may be back to steal more from you, I think she will never ever approach your house, she will probably stay at least hudreds of km's from it..to me it sounds a bit strange: you are apprehensive that she may steal smth while you are travelling with your family, why then you tell the whole world on the internet that you are going to travel soon...???? it would probably be wise to keep it a secret...anyway, be forgiving and kind and have a happy holiday! and let the God be her judge

never declared myself to be a lady mate :-)

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A maid is employed by you so she is staff and employee, she is not a part of your family so don’t treat her as one, you are the boss, employer, she is maid employee.. What’s all the fuss about.. oh dear kill the white slave hunter.. oh please. They are not slaves, they are not family, they are maid’s employees. You act your place.. let them act these.

Power to the non believers, it’s a great feeling to have and hold.

"Jackfrost said Stop acting a dick cynbob .. you seem to have no idiea what you...."

You should be liking that.

do to survive...In fact I know that...

So if your gonna have a stranger in your house...

You better pay them well...End of story....

Oh and treat them well...cause the way you treat them is the way they will treat your children...

Now...end of story

You can't teach experience...

im just trying to be transparent here on both sides and i dont mean to be righteous and all..

jackfrost likes to treat his helpers as somewhat slaves, please let us not waste our energy being mad at him (unless youre a human rights activist..oh well, please do go on and frett, rant and be pissed). but then again this is just a forum, for us people to share our own thoughts, experiences, different views..some common, some are not. in the end, i just suggest take it easy, people. :) i think he's loving that his views are indifferent and well, hitler-like. i dont mean to be off the subject of being humane or inhumane..you may be judging him the same way vegetarians judge us for slaughtering these animals for our gluttony, right?

i mean think about this, more than the situations of house maids...id like to believe theres more sense on drawing our attention to the horrid situations of these poor construction workers and how they are treated as slaves. literally.

there was even someone here who said something really harsh, he said that say maids and prositutes are all the same and that theyre just all greedy. i mean one reads something like that, and one can just laugh of pity for the person who could have said such a thing.

jackfrost ... please dont say 'we', your post is not representing me. :)

go away mate xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx you are making a fool of yourself.

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It is people like you and cynbob that annoy me, using vulgar slang words,,, you don’t even know what that means.. Your entitled to yours I’m entitled to my option.. and to tell you the truth PM.. we do get sick of your comments most times on all threads… but we all put up with it, so get back in your box..

Power to the non believers, it’s a great feeling to have and hold.

Jackfrost you just reared your ugly face again...looks something like your avatar?

Certainly you can get your point across without using vulgar slang words. Maybe, not. :(

Thank you for proving my point!

Pare commenting on... I have had maid for teh past 25 years.... it is people like you that treat them like family that make them bad, As I have stated, i treat them as maids.. never had a problem,, stop being such a soft dick

ower to the non believers, it’s a great feeling to have and hold.

thanks novita.

moreover, please don't make it sound like asmak got what she deserved for compensating her housemaid by paying her an amount that you woulndt pay to your live-in maid if you had one. i was sort of disturbed when i read posts that read somewhat like, "you give her such a low wage, see, it does not surprise me she stole from you". she already tried explaining one too many times that it was what the contract said. she could have been giving her bonuses over the years or extra benefits along the way, we don't know..but that's besides the case, the bottom line is that this woman had stolen from her. let us not brush aside the point that this was a pre-meditated unlawful act.

i have maids steal from my household so i know where asmak is coming from...that's all.

Jamon--in Spanish, your name means "ham"--so, are you being a racist pig?

"maids are the same everywhere, most of them are thieves and into prostitutions"

That's a pretty broad statement/generalization buddy. You really should refrain from making such intelligent comments---Please. :(

Maybe you and Jack Frost can get together and have some machismo/racist conversations...you both can bounce your idiotic ideas off each other.

i agree seny0rita, stealing is stealing. There is no such excuse I being paid very low thats why I steal.

please do not justify why she stole from her. in this generation-- stealing is stealing, it is never right. there is no "white stealing" as to there is such a thing as a "white lie" (i am disregarding this scene i remember when in this movie ive watched, the kid was so hungry and out of desperation, he broke the bakery's glass window and took away with him one small pan..the kid got caught and was sentenced to hanging. this was back in the depression era in france). :)

back to my point, based from experience i grew up with house maids (we treated them humanely and kindly)and they all stole things from my home-- they all got away with it. so, i feel for asmak that this had happened to her. best of my wishes to your household.

your such a rude person jackfrost! how can you say that She is uneducated, poor quality of work, unreliable, and a waste of good oxygen??? the only mistake she did is stealing..she's living with them for 4 years,she lived that long because her boss treat them good..but commom dont judge her coz of 1 mistake..

What a poor maid you've got..tsk..tsk..

jdylan ... 700 QR is over 2 million rupiahs. Thats what my brother make in a month and he have a degree.

>>>The employers end up broke at the end of the month. So they are technically richer than most of us. 700 for the maid is fair.

I have to admit, this is one of the funniest threads I have read in a long time, I am laughing my butt off about how these rich people are trying to justify paying slave wages to their maids/workers.

I am not religious, but I would LOVE to be at the gates of paradise when so many of these people show up, and have "He who Makes the Judgements" stand there and "justify" why this person or that person should not be admitted.

You guys spend QR 700 or more on a meal for 4 people at a nice restaurant in Doha without even thinking about it, yet complain and lose sleep about paying that much to a girl who cleans your house 12-20 hours a day, 6 days a week?

Did you people ever hear of the idea that if you take care of your maid, treat her well, pay her properly, etc...she will in return take care of you? I don't care where you are from, QR 700 is a joke. That is $190 in the US, which is 2 Stabucks lattes a day, 5 days a week in the US. Even an illegal Mexican maid in California will cost you $600, and she doesn't even live with you; just comes in once a day for 4 hours!

If you kick a dog, sooner or later he will bite you.

tsk tsk tsk more lovely words from a "lady" lol xxxxxxxxxxxxx

No, you make a dick of yourself. Please carry on xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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air pop, arent you the pot calling the kettle black lol.xxxxxxxxx such a lady with a foul mouth, i guess true colors always prevail in the end.xxxxxxxxx

Thank you for bringing that up again. So nice of you.

That was not a racist thread at all and you know it.

Use that all you want to prove your victim status.

You actually are a racist, arrogant Mod note - no swearing please to bring that up now.

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you do have a short memory dont you? Try tracking your Indian head wobble post.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Just I will make it easy for you..........prove I am a racist. Just 1 (one) post will do it.................bet you can't do that.

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air popcorngirl, thats very rich coming from you xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

stop being racist and judgemental xxxxxxxxxx

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Theft is theft...pure and simple!!!

PCG....very well said.

Why do people keep whinging about how little maids earn and how 700 is to low to live off. Maids do not live off 700 a month, they are living off their employers money, they pocket this money and most buy lands, houses or whatever they need in their countries, and most maids make here more than professionals make in their countries. Western ex-pats make a small fortune here but they still cant afford to buy a land or house or anything in their countries. How many of you are employed here where your employers pay for all your essential needs, entertainment etc etc and give you a wage on top of that to save and do with it what you please. At the end of the day, its a contract between an employer and employee, and maids are not forced to take it, they sign up freely to come and work here. If they dont like it, they can finish their contract and go home, simple really. No need to justify stealing from your employer.

You are buggered if you do and you are buggered if you don't.

All of us have heard the horror stories regarding maltreatment of maids and how poorly paid they can be. We do a silent cheer when we hear they have run away and taken something from the mean and horrible boss.

Then we hear the other side, where rather like in this case; the maid apparantly was looked after very well and the couple have been left very upset by somebody who they trusted stealing from them.

The damage has been done. Let it go and move on. She must have had a very desperate reason for acting the way she did; especially in a country where the crimes she is accused off are so frowned upon. Or, she could just be plain stupid.

I will hoist that up the flag pole and see who salutes it!!

I agree with Gyspy. 700 QR a month is less than a morcel of money to live decently. Yeah yeah, that is not inclusive of the whole package which is still pathetic btw. Slavery undercover has never been amusing to anyone that comes from any civilized society--cultures having butloads of money does not necessarily mean you qualify to be civilized btw. Too bad, people think they can still buy a person from a pet store and pay them a penny, a nickel, and a huge dime (were not talking about dime bags ok) and be darn greatful about it.

it's not the amount you pay. we pay our maid 1400 and still steals and do nasty thing with our kids if were not at home. They'll never be contented. our maid is married back in her home country with 7 children but still go out with different men. it's maids nature.

again comments abt the salary... this is the salary that we should pay her by law but it is not the full package... there are some more extra pocket money during her weekends and when she goes out with her friends or with us for her food+clothes+toiletteries+phone cards+ medical+food+housing etc.. so as I think as Amoud said monthly her package is not less than 1800-2000QAR+ security and respect (which are very important i think) and she doesn't have to take risks and work every now and then for new ppl that she doesn't know and that might be "scray"

700QR a second wouldn't be enough to get me into Circusland

maids are the same anywhere, most of them are thieves and into prostitutions. never been contented with their incomes.

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One of Mrs UkEng requirement was that the maid should be old. I said to her, I agree with that, as there can only be one good looking Lady in the House. (ofcourse it is Mrs UkEng)

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KH

You mean her toy boy...lol But I will put in word for you...lol

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I have a cure for your problem.

Be her boyfriend and she will not runaway :D

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She ran away with her boyfriend. That was exactly the problem I am having with our maid. I told her that if she evr gets in trouble for what ever reason she is on the next plane home.

Thanks God she is 47 years old with three young children and husband back home, so surely she will not run off with some one.

Gypsy if she is pregnant then she is has only to blame herself. In this part of the world you cannot mess around.

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I feel and know by experience that money does not make the bad person good and does not turn the good into bad.

Treating the maid good does not mean she will be good and honest. Also does not mean that she will be having a "side" business.

All we can do and have to do. Is to be fair and treat them as human beings. Also. We have to pray and cross our fingers. Besides taking some precautions.

Good luck everybody

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The woman looking for her said she's pregnant.

The topic of the thread is about Trust/Honesty.

If you feel you cannot trust the maid then let her go. Because once you have lost the trust then there is nothing left. The theft that occured in Asmak household is very unfortunate especially after living with them for 4 years.

So lesson learn't from this post is that base your requirements on trust, how much you pay her is completely up to every one.

But generally going rate for live in maid is QR700. The people who are paying more really paying more because:-

1. They want to feel good about it

2. They compare them with other people

3. They think they want to help them.

4. They think that maid is one their family and not a person working for them.

Paying above the going rate is creating a big problem for others who cannot afford to pay (resulting in theft etc). So problem are cushy Westerners who are paying above the going rate, casuing the maids to compare with each other.

Gypsy what makes you believe that she is pregnant? do you know something that we don't know..lol

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Gypsy that is great if you just need her for cleaning. I have been left in the lurch too many times with them not showing up when I am supposed to be at work and there is no one to mind my toddler. I also have a lot of afternoon activities with my 12 year old that doesnt makae it very practical for me to wait around for someone to come and clean.

EMN, did I not say that the newspapers dont publish details and that perhaps she shouldnt have done that? Re-read.

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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"

I never have problems in my house with my maids,, I am boss and they know it, They are maids,, not family. That is where it all goes wrong. To be a good boss you have to keep your personal feeling out of it,, they are staff.. Not family. If you want to run a charity go ahead,, you will never be smart in business, for god sake they are maids….

Power to the non believers, it’s a great feeling to have and hold.

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Jakfrost!

"A good gay guy"

Yes you are!

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Amoud, couldn't you just have a maid for the day, that goes home at night? That's what most people I know do.

no offense, but u don't seem to read newspapers that much... anyway check the attachement for Gulf Times and Al Rayya on Monday...

that was a lesson to learn.. i will never have again a live in maid.. it will be hard as i am a working mother but safer and easier than to have one... it is the most dangerous thing to open ur door, ur heart for strangers coz u get really hurt when they don't do the same...

amoud can u show me one newspaper absconding add which says the maid ran away stealing the money.......which has a pic/name on that.

Aana free, jaana free,

Pakde gaye tho khana free.

Asmak I agree with what you have done. The reason I said not to air dirty laundry is because everyone was getting their back up about you posting the pic forgetting that it is done in the newspaper and everyone seems fine with that. The difference was the amount of detail thats all.

I do hope they find her, and as you have reported all this to the police it can be sorted. It is hard to feel betrayed but alas it happens.

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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"

^ you my freind should be castrated.

She is uneducated, poor quality of work, unreliable, and a waste of good oxygen, we pay our maid 600 per month. Every Friday afternoon off from 12:00 lunch time must be back by 10:00pm. But we treat her as a maid, she is not one of the family, remember she is a maid, some people try to treat them good as a family member. Wrong…they have a place,, its outside and out of sight when not working, you have to show these girls who is boss… your fault for treating too good.. see what happens, my maid pays for every breakage she occurs while cleaning.. don’t be so kind people.. remember they are maids…

Power to the non believers, it’s a great feeling to have and hold.

well pls do goodbye2.. at least u will help me finding her;)

well mine too at the weekends..extra work to some neighbours and she got paid.. but that didn't stop her..

Thx Princess Sarah... and Amoud I had to air all the dirty laundry to answer all the curious questions and to "defend" my self as at the taste of some, ironically i became the guilty...totally agree with u BH88.. it didn't happen to Gipsy or to the others acting surprised and "shocked" so they can be comfortably sitting & criticizing & defending what she did based on really absurde justifications... anyway, I have learned sthg really important: what comes around goes around and even if we don't find her now she will get her punishment sooner or later...

wow... sorry to break this down to you gypsy but there are workers who are paid only 800 riyals/ month with only their accomodation covered....QR 700 for a live-in maid with pretty much all other expenses covered is absolutly fair. She's making more than the per capita income in ethiopia. In a nutshell : The maid is an ungrateful bitch.

Asmak, hope you find her and take her to the rightful authorities. she deserves to be pushished or serve her time at jail.

No matter what the reason maybe it is unacceptable to steal period.

if she's happy, then fine. But 700, hmmmmm...

"Don't let a little dispute injure a great friendship"

"dgoodrebel is not plastic"

Sometimes doing "your own work" isnt possible. What if the mother and father are both working? What if the mother is running around Doha like crazy with kids extracirricular activities and household errands? As most of us have no extended families here in Doha maids have become neccessity for some people.

I agree that she can publish the picture as she likes. It may not have been in the best taste to air all the dirty laundry but just say that she ran away and they need to find her.

FS is right, companies do it all the time in the newspaper, why is this different?

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Dear Asma,

Since i know you personally i know all the trouble you are going through. You trusted this perosn and treated her VERY well, compared to how others treat their maids, and she still lied, stole, and ran away. No matter what the circumstances where what she did was wrong. & Hopefully justice will be served.

Best of luck!

"Live, Love, Eat"

Mine, I let her do extra curriculum overtime to get more money. Its a win-win situation. Everybody is happy.

Best is our own Hands.....do our own work and don't depend too much on outsiders especially when you are an expat!

All the best!

not yet.. but i will in all newspapers.. I just got the police report copy...

Asmak did you publish it in Gulf times?

this forum is supposed to give help... why did u remove her pic, what is the use then? if i send you a copy of the police report along with her passport copy will u post the pic again?

Why not? We often see pics of people who are absconding from their sponsor...if its illegal how are they publishing it in Newspapers?

Wonder why Mods removed it!

As I said I doubt I would ever have a live in maid. I don't see the point of one unless you have 6 kids or an elderly relative who needs full time care. But if I ever did I would pay them well. Sorry if that offends some people, but I do believe in the value you get for your money. You pay peanuts you get peanuts.

Which is better?

Earn 700, spend zero , net saving = 700

OR

Earn 25000, spend 27000, net saving = -(MINUS) 2000?

If each one of us checks what others are earning, then none of us would be working. OR. All os us would have our pics in the newspapers as runaways.

You know that many firms pay the workers (who work at least 8 hours in the streets) around 500

Most of the firms pay for the teaboys and the drivers some 1000 to 1200 (some with accommodation and food, some with nothing)

and last. "freelancers" ask for 20 per hour and they are more than happy

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i guess it would be good to drink a cold water after that...

did u try to coordinate with her Embassy if they have here instead of public exposition of her alleged sins? someone who comes to embassy might know her and help. i think she's NOT a typical stealer otherwise she wouldnt wait for 4 yrs to do it!

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Yes Withnail, she values you so much she will soon leave you when 100QR more comes her way. It happens all the time, ask anyone.

Just because I dont pay my maid QR 2000 a month does not imply that I mistreat her nor disrespect her. It also doesnt imply that if we dont pay her what you feel is a decent wage she will mistreat our children.

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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"

let's make legal excuse to those families who hired maid (who has does not have a bigger compensation..)pay less but treat good

it's all matters how much you earned. like gypsy and withnail they could give more than QR700 coz they are western people. That's the truth.

`i dont generalize but as far as i observed people who pay more are mostly came from western country. But people who pay less are somehow the people who treat their maids slaves except asmak.. :)

...Gypsy, to ASSUME this woman is going to get an abortion. You don't KNOW that.

On another note, the disparity in wages between the ethnicities here is really hard for me to grasp. I can't even justify paying the car wash guys at Villagio a mere 10 riyals to wash my car. I always give them a lot more than that. Most of my compatriots here have a maid. Believe me, they do NOT have maids at home...especially live-in maids. Only the wealthiest people have live-in maids, and to have a maid come and clean your house just once a week is quite expensive. If you want to avoid the problems that some maids cause, don't have one. Do the work yourself. I do. Although on occasion I will hire someone to do a few things for me, like painting. And I pay them very well. If you value the work they do for you, and they do a good job, pay them well. I look at so many of these people and thank God I'm not in their shoes. The least I can do is try to help them out a little bit.

(Sometimes you're the windshield, and sometimes you're the bug...)

go to polish and give thatjob they will handel it so will

this is a good way to ruin the economy and get all the maids laid off. Gypsy you probably don't work half as hard as the maid so give her half you pay so she can be you equal. If I remember correctly she is not from here, thus she is here voluntarily she can always go home for the big bucks.

“A lot of the people who keep a gun at home for safety are the same ones who refuse to wear a seat belt”

i really don't get some people. why would you pay such a low wage to the person who watches over your children.

our nanny gets friday and saturday off, lives out, and we pay her well over 2000 QAR a month. she values how we treat her, and it shows in how well she treats our daughter.

my wife and i value how well she treats our daughter, and judging by the terrible things we often see from other maids in the park of our compound we are 100% sure that treating her with respect is well worth it.

when you treat your nanny like a slave, your children are going to pay for it eventually.

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lol Novi, there will be the whole fleet of Karwa drivers also, they only make QR 1,200 a month on 12 hour shifts.

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Gypsy ... I told you so ... lol

GypSy Can i be your partime maid???It seems that i will obtain higher salary from you compare of what i received now!! i worked as secretary in reputable company and got QR3.5k salary without housing allowance,transpo etc.) but no dispute because i worked with a nice people and not a bossy boss.

it is not abt what she stole it is abt our trust and our need to know exactly what was happening..it is not only material it is also moral.. being a maid or a CEO everyone must pay for his mistakes..

having a housemaid is a very hard...BECAUSE their "office" is your home...and your home is suppose to be your sanctuary...this means that you give access to a total stranger to your sanctuary...so how do you put a salary/price on that?

Lol Amoud ... bye bye Gypsy. Tomorrow you will have 100 maids knocking your door looking for a job as a living maid with Madam Gypsy :) x

Gypsy, do you regularily go to cheapo shops in Doha and pay more than the ticketed price for items out of courtesy ;)

Money exchanged for service based upon an agreed price. Other nationalities make less than you for the same job I am sure. Its all relative.

You must really be getting hosed by your housemaid.

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No I'd probably pay about 2000 QR a month plus living. Then again I'd probably never have a live in maid.

Anyway, I'm off for the evening.

so what is 'much money' then Gypsy. Maybe you should suggest percentage. You should pay your maid 25 percents or maybe 35 percents from your take home pay ??? :0)

And 2500 QR in total per month is still not much money. Compared to what most of us are making here.

Fefee, that's my point, she worked for them for 4 years with no problems, so for her to do this now I'd say something pretty bad happened. If they actually cared about her I would say they should be worried whether or not she's alright. Material possessions can be replaced.

gypsy, abortion is different matter. And still not justify for stealing.

I am out of maid bickering ... have a nice evening ladies :)

Gypsy, thats is an extreme case is it not? As emplyers do we advertise we will pay for our maids abortions if they fall pregnant?

This falls out of any line of contractual obligation, would we also be responsible if she fell terminally ill? No, we do not.

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gypsy commoooon...............

are you saying pregnancy give the maid a reason to steal from her employer? if she woked for this family for over 4 years and couldt open up her mouth and speak out when she has a problem, meaning her intend was not to solve her problem but to find a reason to do evil.!!!!!!!!!!!

ps. 700 is just part of what you spent on the maid during per month. if you wanna count all the extra you spend on her, i bet you will end up with not less than qr2500

action speaks louder than words

she wans't in Ethiopia, her boyfriend was... she got pregnant here God knows from who..she can't leave the country...she left her passport when she ran away... we went to tell her boy friend that if her pregnancy is the reason that made her do this to tell her to come back and we will send her back home.. but as i said he was surprised

Amoud I agree with you ... I wrote on my previous post how much my brother earn back home and how much my dad paid for his staffs ...

So things like that are relative. And for living in maid, they dont paid any other cost. Food, house, medical etc the employer pay for it.

Disregard, there is no shame in cleaning peoples houses, or in any days honest work.

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I know Amoud, But if something like a pregnancy happens, what's the girl going to do? Are you going to pay for her abortion?

I am laughing at Voldemart's comment!! I hope that is sarcasm I detect and not you calling Ethiopians slaves!!!

Assuming it is sarcasm, that is funny and I agree!!!!!

THe original poster wants us to actually be on the lookout for a Black African woman who looks poor and help return her to her master!!!!!!!!!!!!! LMAO.

Hey did you brand her with your initials so we know we have the right woman when we find her!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you are black, poor and don't have your freemen papers, you might end up in this woman's house cleaning for her!!! BEWARE!!!

I am laughing at Voldemart's comment!! I hope that is sarcasm I detect and not you calling Ethiopians slaves!!!

Assuming it is sarcasm, that is funny and I agree!!!!!

THe original poster wants us to actually be on the lookout for a Black African woman who looks poor and help return her to her master!!!!!!!!!!!!! LMAO.

Hey did you brand her with your initials so we know we have the right woman when we find her!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you are black, poor and don't have your freemen papers, you might end up in this woman's house cleaning for her!!! BEWARE!!!

I cant comment on that Gypsy ...I never have living in maid myself since I live abroad.

There is no cost of living for her to pay ... everything the employer pay for it. She receive her salary without any deduction ( i assuming that).

And also how little her salary is, when she start working she aware of the money she going to receive. And the how little her salary is , not justifying for her to steal from her employer.

Gypsy, live in maids here dont pay any cost of living, we bear that.

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30QR = 93 ethiopian Birr

which gets you quite a decent little hotel room and some tucker

ok probably still better than ethiopia....but then the country did inspire live aid

Hmm, I am not sure about the poverty part entirely. My maid is from Manilla, has a 5 bedroom house in the city and has 4 kids in university. Her husband drives a taxi in the Philippines and she still told me she has money to spare so she was going to Hong Kong on vacation on her way back home.

It is the relative costs of living. Tuition for university for my maids kids is 6000 pesos a semester, which is about QR 463. Tuition back home will run you around $7000.

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oryx, but you not paying her RP, doctor - dentist fee, food, acommodation etc etc ...

we have a lady who comes two half mornings a week and we pay her 750 QR and she recently told us she would be requiring a raise as she can earn more elsewhere so we will be increasing her pay to 850 beginning next pay. My colleague at work has a live in housemaid that they pay 1800 QR month which I thought was the normal rate.

I would just change my locks if you're worried she might steal from you again. I hope the police helps you locate her as stealing is wrong no matter what you pay her.

I understand that Novi, but does it really excuse us to pay them less than the cost of living here?

Sorry, in Canada you'd pay an arm and a leg for live in service (and you'd be frowned on for having it). And for good reason.

Math isn't my strong point

700QR per month

4 weeks in month 175 per week

6 days a week less than 30QR a day

blimey i hope i worked that out wrong....

mine gets almost that an hour

So she wasn't doing it in your house, she got pregnant in Ethiopia. She's probably scared to death, after all the punishment in this country for sex out of wedlock is lashes. You're money/possessions is probably funding her abortion, way back home, who knows. My guess is she's probably not very educated and is doing the only thing she can think to.

right gypsy ... let say QR 700 ... thats in Indonesia roughly about 2.000.000 rupiahs.

My brother working looking after aircon service centre belong to my uncle , and he make a bit lesser than that. He graduate from the uni with degree.

My Dad own a mining company in Indonesia, his general manager made about QR 5000 a month, plus a company car.

So things like this are really relative.

i never said for sure in my previous comment but maybe she did it in the presence of my son.. i know perfecly that she is a human and i knew that she had a boy friend and we let her go out with him (or we thought so during her days off)yesterday again when we went to see her boy friend he was surprised and in tears when he knew that she was pregnant as he was on vacation for 2 months in her country and she is almost 2 months pregnant based on what another maid said..

Not really Novi. I'm not a huge fan of this "live-in maid" thing, much less how much they're paid. Frankly I think we can't even imagine the poverty these people come from and if they do these things I think they have a reason.

come on Gypsy, you must be in that obnoxious mood today :P I know you so well but not others though ...

You let someone into your house, you take these risks. And you gave her a day off right, so how do you know she did it in the "precense" of your son? She's a human being she has rights to be one, to have boyfriends, etc.

Maids expenses ?

a) She doesnt pay for renewing her RP her employer does

b) She doesnt pay for the FOOD

c) She doesnt hav to pay for her laundry

d) She doesnt pay Electricity, Water, Tel. bills

e) She doesnt hav to pay for any KARWA or transport

etc. etc...

So i guess 700 is OK.

Yes i shouldn't blame her at all Gypsy she had all the rights to steal and maybe do her dirty things in the presence of my son.. all the rights to lie and to hurt the ppl who trusted her.. seriously i don't know where u come from...but it is ok as long as it didn't happen to u..

I guess Amoud...but still, 700QR is soooo little. And not everyone is as nice as you.

Its curious to find out what people are paying their maids.

I have a maid that comes in 3 days per week / 4-5 hours a day and I pay her 1800 per month. There is only my husband and I (and baby soon to be) in a 3 bedroom 2 1/2 bath flat. She does a pretty good job. Has access to everything. she lives outside so we just pay her the flat salary and everything else is her expense. she cleans for 2 other people as well. she actually does pretty good salary-wise with being able to clean for others.

What are others doing?

Brin

Break it down Gypsy, forget about the agency fees being around QR 7,000 for a 2 year contract.

Housing would cost her at least QR 800 a month, my maid eats roughly QR 500 a month, a ticket to the Phils is around QR 3,600 so over 2 years that breaks down to QR 150 a month. Toiletries and clothing, including haircuts and such run us around QR 200 a month. when she is sick she gets private medical care. If she goes to the Doctor twice a year you can equate that into another QR 50 a month or more. In 2 years she had 2 trips to the dentist, 500 each time which is another QR 40 or so a month. Phone calls home are around QR 100 a month without factoring in transport, utilities and residence permit costs my maid is running me around QR 2,700 a month including her salary.

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no wonder most housemaid prefer to work for 'westerner - european employer' especially if they are so generous like Gypsy.

"Don't let a little dispute injure a great friendship"

"dgoodrebel is not plastic"

The salary they get is pure savings. We. The employers end up broke at the end of the month. So they are technically richer than most of us. 700 for the maid is fair.

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Either way, I still couldn't pay someone so little Amoud. Or at least I would expect to get what I pay for, which isn't much.

Asmak you cant upload someone's pic on a public website there are legal ways to solve this problem as you have already reported to the police wait for them to find her.

Aana free, jaana free,

Pakde gaye tho khana free.

Asmak, did you hand her passport over to the CID? Have they suggested that you cancel her visa so you can briing someone else?

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HAHA See FS! Gurantee you she stole the money to get a quicky abortion. Don't blame her in the slightest in this country.

I have reported to the police and i have the passport.. but i know many other cases and the police didn't find themmm

We ran into this problem with maids a few weeks back. Mine got in a discussion with a maid who is a part timer of my friend who gets well over 2K a month. My maid started to squeeze me for more money so I told her I would pay the same but she had to take care of her own food, lodging, tickets, medical, clothing, toiletries, haircuts, telephone, utilities and RP costs like the live out does.

Gypsy this is the major difference between someone you sponsor and someone who comes in a few days a week to clean for you. add on agency fees and such and trust me, a live in maid who makes QR 700 a month sometimes fairs out far better than one who takes QR 25 an hour. _____________________________________________________

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Thank you Novita... that was the whole purpose of posting this: to get help and not to read some useless comments judging things they don't have a clue abt... yes we were toooo good to her.. she wasn't clean she wasn't doing a big thing at home.. i kept her becz i trusted her to stay with my son who is 2 when we were with my husband at work...that was the most important thing... and only yesterday we knew from my friend's maid that she was pregnant.. so i don't know if u can understand my fear... she was alone at home every day with MY SON.. she might had her boyfriend come around..

if are the sponsor so report to the police

"Don't let a little dispute injure a great friendship"

"dgoodrebel is not plastic"

She looks so innocent in tat pic....lol

All the other maids in our compound don't get more than QR800.

Amoud no we did not hire directly from the Agency, but the cost for bring her over are almost the same if we did hire from the Agency.

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Gypsy we are paying QR1200 and she is always moaning that it is not enough. She even threaten to go back if we did not give her extra hours off on friday on top of her Friday that she has off already as agreed with us. So instead of returning back to work on 6pm on Friday she wants to come back at 10pm..

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"Don't let a little dispute injure a great friendship"

"dgoodrebel is not plastic"

if you pay 700Qr a month anybody will steal...........forget it now whatever she stole is her end of service benefit.

Aana free, jaana free,

Pakde gaye tho khana free.

I think there's lots of viable reasons to steal. I'm not saying she has one...but at QR 700 a month....hmmmm.

Asmak you can also post at expatwomanqatar.com forum , hopefully someone can give you a lead about here whereabout.

Stealing is wrong ..whoever does that...nothing justifies.. she could have told them that she want to leave..

Pregnancy a reason to steal? lol

Ok I’m going to write a letter to our baby sitter and inform her that her new salary is QR 2000 now before she plans to still my daughter. Hope she doesn’t read this post since she is online from 8:00 AM till 5:30 PM. :)

we have alreday done that.. but we r living in a villa and there are few balconies.. she can easily break tthe glass and get in.. for example...

Maybe she has a family to feed? Maybe she's pregnant? Maybe she's sick, who knows. There are lots of reasons poor people steal.

And just because it's what everyone else does doesn't mean it's right. Especially in this country.

as I said we were ready to let her go and not cancel her residency taking in consideration the 4 years she stayed with us,..

She might have got someone else who is willing to pay her 1500 which is normal these days...

well ALL the housemaids brought through agencies are paid this much or less.. besides this is not the subject u should post ur comment maybe in the human rights... and no, it is not normal that she has stolen from us, we have never forced her to stay and we were ready the last period to give her a release if she finds smthg else or another sponsor... what u said is odd how can u justify what she did..

Qr1200 is a bit more resonable..but still....God I'm lucky to be from where I'm from.

UK did you bring her through an agency? Is she under your sponsorship?

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Guess there was a similar post few months back...about an Ethopian maid..who stole all the above mentioned things plus FEW diamond rings? hmmm....

Asmak anyone could do that, not just your housemaid.

It may draw a bit of attention to have a woman scaliong your walls and then spidermanning up the side of your house.

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Jeez. I don't think I could ever pay someone that little, even if thats all they asked for!

but I'm surprised about JC! Lol!

"Don't let a little dispute injure a great friendship"

"dgoodrebel is not plastic"

It is cost of living comparison. She doesnt have to pay any expenses here, and it is actually the going rate for live in maids from abroad.

Granted she was with him for 4 years he should have given her an increase if he felt she was so valuable. I also dont think he treated her 'too good' as suggested as he never gave her a raise.

Live out maids make a small fortune, they will take what people will pay, plain and simple.

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How can anyone live off of QR700 a month???? That's crazy! I pay mine that much a month and she only comes for 2 hours twice a week and probably has about 6 other houses or more she's earning the same from!

did you complaint in the police....her passport with herself or with you..?

LOL

Hmm, Gypsy this is what she requested when she filled the application. Just because she is unsatisfied with this now does that justify her stealing?

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Jesus Christ no wonder she stole from you!

Maids get what they ask for in the applications to the agency. Ours only asked for 600 a month.

Asmak, if you are worried she can get into your house why dont you change the locks while on vacation? It cant cost more than what you expect she will steal right?

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yes... we should pay her 550 as per her contract.

700 a month?

i lnow that but this is not fair... she steals our money and we pay her a ticket back home... also we are going for vacation and we must find her before that becz I think she is able to come back and steal other things.. so we want to have peace in mind when we r away..

we paid her 700QAR+++ (phone cards every week, 50QAR every week when we go to the circus land with my son as a pocket money for her+ gifts and clothes++).. also we used to give her one day off very week as per the law... her boy -friend joined her from Ethiopia but only yesterday we knew that she had 3 boyfriends... that's so far the rest is to come...and we brought her through the office... but she is not the responsibilty of the office any more but ours.

If I find her, should I whip her and hang her..

and why dont you paste some 'Runaway Slave' posters in Villagio and City centre?

...Avada Kedavra.

They don't put the effort for a search. But eventually they will be caught and you will know about it - in time, because they will come to you for the ticket back home.

How much salary you paid?

Was she locally recriuted by you?

How did she get boyfriend?

my officemate's housemaid did the same thing...

tsk!

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