BE AWARE at Ezdan Pool on Friday

i've heard so many things about that place..and have advised my friends NOT to live in that building or go to that pool....yuck...

How many of you men on here would have sat back and see a man 'play with himself' in front of your children and done nothing? bloody cowards all of them

Power to the non believers, it’s a great feeling to have and hold.

You can't teach experience...

also, a friend and i saw a guy "doing it" in one of the shops in souq while we were checking the displays...

got afraid and ran out of that store!

Please Vegas, read what I have posted.

I'm disgusted the police wasn't called...

You can't teach experience...

please tell me i dont get it what did he done wrong

what did he done wrong can some body tell me

can some body tell me what the man did at ezden

I have absolutely no hopes that this manager would do anything.

To be honest, after a short period of time living here I realise that the advice I got to "lower my expectations" is taken to another level...

From the shower (that alternates hot and cold water every 2 minutes) to the bad smell that comes from everywhere in the kitchen and bathroom (very badly done plumbing), to the sickening smell of garbage near the lifts, the fact that the cleaners leave your flat stincking like you would not believe and clean the kitchen with the same cloth they clean toilets... to the bad internet connection... well, the list is endless.

I really start to believe the best solution is to move out.

PM, do you really believe I could carry this complaints at this level? Are you serious about complaining straight to the Sheikh?

I better go to sleep now. Different from the managers here, I need to actually be at work very early.

Now everything is a lot clearer. NOW I understand why it is as it is.

Honestly... It is very annoying. This hotboss makes ME sound like the lazy one who never tried to look for the management... how freak is it????

As a woman I felt really uncomfortable (to say the least) with the situation, and worried as well. I tried my best to do the right thing with the resources I had in hands and without knowing the extension of my word against his - inc ase the police got here too late to catch him in the act.

It is a lot easier to look professional and caring from behind a keyboard.

And my question wasnt answered...WHAT SECURITY DO WE HAVE THAT SOMEONE WONT FOLLOW US UPSTAIRS???

Su,

Health Club Reception Desk. My area, my cards are there for specifically this purpose. Concerns regarding this area may be directed to me.

For now, good night.

I am sorry. There were NEVER business card, they never gave us your mobile number. NEVER. Not even when we have to go down the stairs 30 floors after the fire alarm went on 3 times for a long time and nobody cared to tell what was going on or if there was really something wrong. Residents were really mad and almost screaming downstairs, and NO ONE cared to come out and talk to us in the middle of the night. We had to figure out by ourselves taht it was safe to go back up.

And if you really intend to listen to the residents, why not call us for a meeting? Place some notes in the lifts, or under the doors... arrange one or two meetings per building... whatever.... just do something. Prove you are professional.

You really expect me to believe that with my complaint... anything will be really done??? Come on... I am not that naive.

Su,

Business card is on the reception-desk, mobile and e-mail is on it. Not difficult to find me, at all.

Cheers.

Hotboss, I ahve tried to do it. But the best I get is the recepcionist telling me "manager is not available" or "he is on break" or any other crappy excuse.

To be honest, it is very frustrating to even expect any actions form the management when you wrote what you wrote.

Type "EZDAN" on the search field of this website and check out for yourself.

What security I have when any perv can simply follow me upstairs any day of the week specially when the pool is quieter? Why do you really need to allow so many non residents to use the pool forcing us to hope for chairs or have to lay down 5 cm from someone else because the best solution you found was to put more chairs? Really, fridays are hell, we have to get there by 8:30 if we want to choose where to stay. By 10 there are no seats.

It is disrespectful. We do our part. But as it seems to be, it is a one way road. In many many ways.

Su,

My initial reaction on this forum was intended to make you aware of the fact that I was aware, informed but just not in the building at the moment. I have been looking for the persons that complained, and I did inform my staff always to take names and room-numbers in order for me to follow up.

I'd still appreciate it if you'd pass by my office to discuss this situation. Also your other concerns I will address.

And also... if you HOTBOSS had the guts to be so vocal and present when an issue happens here as you are being in this post we would be grateful for your concern.

By the way, if you are SUCH A GOOD PROFESSIONAL... lets book a meeting between you and some residents and we talk in person and then you can repeat all you wrote above.

BY the way... BAAAAD ideia getting a cheap contractor to clean the pool... the first weekend they were supposed to do it... well, you saw the result. Management doesnt seem so concern about quality, the more non residents, the better, the cheapest the contractors, the better...and a manager who calles himself "hotboss"... what a pathetic place! You are right STUFF HAPPENS... SOMEHOW YOU GOT A JOB AS MANAGER AT THIS PLACE!

and I DID try to find someone, ANYONE... I went to the first staff I saw, then went to try an find you. On the busiest day of the week when the pool gets a huge number of non residents, at 9am, YOU were not there. The only person who was kindly enough to care to help was the life guard.

and if it happens again, considering I pay QAR 11.000 to live here, and I pay on time every month, I expect that the OTHER PART of the contract is respected and I am FREE to use the facilities without having to see a non resident pleasuring himself in public... YES.. I WILL CALL THE POLICE, I WILL ALWAYS TAKE MY CAMERA WITH ME NOW... so I have a proof. Believe me, there are a LOOONG list of complaints about this place and it seems that the very accessible managers are never around when it is time to listen to us.

I LIVE here I have the right to feel safe and respected, as well as all the other families with children, in case you didnt think about it. I am sorry, either you decide to be more carefull with all the non residents for extra cash you guys allow in or the police will be here next time.

By the way, how come residents need to sign to come to the pool and for non residents there is no control at all?

AND A HUGE CONCERN: WHAT IF SOME OF THE NON RESIDENTS DECIDE TO FOLLOW A RESIDENT (A CHILD OR A WOMAN ALONE) UPSTAIRS??? WHAT SECURITY WE HAVE?????

Hot, it was not an incident, it was someone clearly breaking the law and was not reprimanded and you seem to be justifying that.

At least the tennants deserve an apology as you should have acted in their best interest and not worried so much about police implications n'est pas?

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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"

Tallg,

I have tried to put it in broader perspective, tried to say it is an isolated incident which has never happened before.

Now, isolated incident you can interpret as

"he dismisses it casually"

"He came forward, being in charge, and gives an honest image of reality"

Of course, some find it much more fun to choose to interpret in a negative way.

Hotboss - I don't think the issue is so much about the incident itself any longer, but more about the way you've dismissed it as just one of those things that happen here.

Hotboss, no one has issue with the numbers, everyone has issues with your ridiculous justifications and lack of action.

It is only sensational because you dont like that it is being talked about. I am not quite sure how you deem it sesationalized; a handful of posters saw him, what he was doing and stated they complained and nothing was done as they guy was there for hours.

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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"

How many of you men on here would have sat back and see a man 'play with himself' in front of your children and done nothing?

As a woman, I would have been furious and I would have done more than Su did. For a start, I would have taken pictures or a video.

If this 'perve' was doing what she claimed, why did the 'men' not tackle his 'tackle'. If they had called the Police, as 'bad' as we think they are, if a WHOLE compound had complained and the Police had evidence, they would act.

A whole compound can't be wrong in what they saw.

I know our compound swimming pool was shut down as a silly ill informed woman was told it was ok to be topless.

Is this somebody getting at this compound??

Sorry Su, this does not ring true at all. xxxxxxxxxxx

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God does not believe in Athiests.

Amoud,

175+ members. loads of families, 5000 residents. You base your opinion on a post on QL, and 2 persons that come with a sensational post? I think you know better.

As stated, it is a village... once in a while something happens, this situation is extreme and highly unusual. noted but not prevented, so now we aim for prevention.

Novita, your thoughts are understandable and children especially are of the highest concern.

I know for a facts loads of passive QL'ers living in Ezdan. I dont think what hotboss said is a nice ads for the hotel's image itself.

Please folks if you have a problem CALL THE POLICE

what hotboss is saying is completely wrong.

A villa on our compound was broken into last week and they came straight round and took it seriously.

Any case of sexual indecency and they will take it VERY seriously.

the residents of Ezdan pay a lot - any issues call the police. What the man did was not a case of etiquette it was illegal.

Heres a thought, can you imagine that after this post and Hotboss's comments people are going to be real friendly to him at the facility? Or how about when they go to the owner and tell them that the manager of the club knew and this is his stance?

so would not want to be in those ad hominem shoes.

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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"

I don't really see how saying that jerking off in a swimming pool is part and parcel of living here, so get used to it, can be interpreted wrongly or misunderstood.

So sorry Hotboss but if you can consider any of this as an ad hominem argument that I guess that would fully explain your stance on this.

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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"

Talgg,

That particular post was supposed to be somewhat philosophical. I guess I forgot that the emotionless effect of black on white text might be interpreted wrongly, or misunderstood.

Further more, PM...

In your posts you have only walked the road of the ad hominem argument, why?

Alexa ! Snapped ! You said it ! . No way whatsoever I will ever recommend that place to any families who are coming to Doha to live.

Will you let your teenager daughter going down to the pool on their own in Ezdan's pool ?

Hotboss, I dont care broader market or whatever you said it. I want a clean a compound gym without any pervert creeps.

Apparently hotboss it isnt a proper facility. So far we have heard that it is a membership club with no gym attendees, there are incidents and rumors concerning the steam room and sauna and now public masturbation is tolerated.

In what sense is this a proper facility designed for a "broader market"?

Does "broader market" mean all degenerates or just specific ones?

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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"

Novita,

Would you settle for less? I mean, a compound gym as you find anywhere else? Or rather a proper facility that has been designed for a broader market?

Ok, edited the last post.... clearly the message did not come across the way I intended it.

*removed - PM could not grasp/comprehend*

The health club facilities should only open for the hotel's tenants, and if they have guest/s it should be signed in by the tenants. Not just taking any walk in guest from outside.

Someone should forward the link of this thread to the management of the hotel itself.

Wow, steam room and sauna stories and public masturbation, no wonder the rents are so high :)

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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"

Just to clarify - this is Ezdan Hotel & Suites, right?

This place - http://www.ezdanhotels.com/

hotboss - I find it hard to believe that someone with your attitude is managing anything, let alone a health club with so many members.

I'm astounded that your answer to this incident is "Welcome to this part of the world. Get used to it."

I'm sure your employer would be interested to know that their health club manager is giving out this sort of advertisement for their business. Hopefully they're reading this. Or perhaps one of the many concerned QLers on this thread will contact them about it.

Ah yes, Kelly. That was a nice example of how you managed to present crooked facts.

It seems the boss is always right. This is the slogan of a club manager.

Just recalling the thread about the guy who passed away inside the gym and the BS stated by the club manager.

Here is the link

http://www.qatarliving.com/node/193133

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I really dont believe your comments hotboss. Seems folks did complain, in numbers and you suggest they should have looked for you when you stated they did call you and you didnt bother to come? I would think if I complained to Ezdan staff I wouldnt be expected to have to go and search out an individual who couldnt be bothered to come when called.

I also think it is ridiculous to think that a man masturbating at a pool is justified as "stuff". PeeWee Herman was arrested for doing the same thing in a porn theatre for god sake.

Apparently he was there long enough for someone in the management to do something as per the posts. I think it is a shame Ezdan thinks so little of the residents which actually pay rent, forget the kids being exposed to this.

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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"

notfromhere...

Sure I can.

Call duty-manager/mod/security through the operator. The operator in any building is always connected to all available options. Surely people have the phone-number of the place they live in.

Most large buildings have receptionist and operators that will be able to connect you to an individual in charge, which are often Duty Managers. Duty Managers replace department heads in absence and are normally always available.

In this case, calling the operator without making a scene would have been the most effective. As the perv. continues to remain in his place, unaware, and security has time to come over, and the complainer keeps sight of the offender.

Good to know, Hotboss. Should have said so in the first place!

And it seems the complainers have found you now.

Maybe you can advise people what to do in a situation like this. People are very reluctant to speak up about incidents here because they feel that nothing will be done.

Notfromhere...

Where did I say be quiet? I said do not make a scene, choose wisely.

Plus, believe you me... I did try to find out who complained, at the other hand...the complainers also did not attempt to find me.

Usually, in case of an incident, the dots get connected rapidly, I find complainer or vise versa, and the problem gets solved.

This time, unfortunately, it did not happen.

Basically naked???

No one complained there...

I can only imnagine what the

never mind...

You can't teach experience...

Hotboss, my comment to you was that people might want you to clarify that in a case like this, whether isolated or not, the individual will be dealt with. You had given the impression that everyone, including you, should just be quiet about it, and I happen to disagree.

This might give your guests...or should I say customers, since it's a business... some peace of mind about continuing to visit your club.

And it might also help to send a message to the perverts that your establishment is not a place where they can go to get their jollies in public.

If it's a bad as it seems he should be arrested or at least removed from the area???

Dont they have security there???

Starting to think your full of shyt....

You can't teach experience...

Jasmine, thank you :-)

Today I actually checked QL for the first time in a long lonnnnnng time to see if anything had been said about a different subject.

I actually think that QL is filled with what we, in the UAE, referred to as "Jumeirah-Janes"

Are there any other places in the world where a large proportion of society all be on the same website at the same time like this? Starting to feel a bit claustrophobic in here. Seeing as everyone else has an opinion, I am going to say that I agree with Hotboss 100%

Notfromhere...

Read the sign on the door of the gents changing room. I think my policy is clear enough.

Most importantly, this to me was an isolated incident. Very little extreme incidents like this occur.

And what if I catch the bugger? I will handle him my way.

Let me be very clear... the behavior of this bugger is absolutely unacceptable and in case he ever comes again and acts in the same way, surely he will be dealt with.

As for your reply, I did not want this to turn into a discussion. Nevertheless, I engaged... hence:

1 - Avoid contact with justice/police, especially being an expat. Clear and simple.

My opinion. That's all. You may, of course, differ.

2 - Maybe I do not have wings?

Maybe it is easy for you to make some simple assumptions without having adequate knowledge. A mistake commonly made by frequent complainers.

3 - Again you choose to read/interpret negatively, why?. What's the gain?

Your last question, irrelevant. As I stated before, but you seem to read selectively, the Health Club as a whole is a business unit. Hence the unusual quality of the Health Club compared to other residences/compounds (and many of the 5 stars hotels)

Word to the wise:

What stands out in your reply is your argumentum ad hominem. Weak, shameless and not very heroic. In following posts you may want to leave the "burning torch" aspect out, and communicate as if you had some manners.

Good day.

Or did he expose himself??

Geeze...

I mean if we had insight to what the guy did???

If had been that bad then i'm sure he be arrested...

You can't teach experience...

Is hotboss really the manager?

That explains a lot.

My remark about making a scene was about these kinds of incidents in general, not specifically about the incident at Ezdan.

But as for Ezdan, Hotboss.... yes, "stuff" happens but I think what everyone would like to know is WHAT you are going to do about it when it does happen. Ignore it? Sweep it under the rug? Advise people to be quiet about it so that you wont have to be inconvenienced?

I think you'll be more than inconvenienced if the Sheikh finds out his property is gaining a sleazy reputation because you were too lazy to do anything about it.

Brit expat...

Well thank you, :-P

PM...

ok... will answer.

1 - Backfire. Thread? Thinking that saddens me and kinda says that you misread my intention with reacting. I could have chosen not to reply.

Sometimes the police throws both parties in jail and figure out what happened after.

In Qatar, any expat, should not be in contact with police/justice. Common wisdom.

2 - My staff did call me instantly.

3 - Yes, stuff happens. Where people gather, in large quantities, something will happen. This incident highly unusual and uncommon.

Obviously, the exception to the rule:)

This could get interesting....

And brit expat....

Thanks for calling me gutless in cyberspace...

See the irony???

LOL - you are forgiven. :-)

A couple of points referring to all the above...

- The Ezdan Health Club is a business, it serves a broader market. This is why the Health Club is of such high quality compared to other compounds/residential complexes.

- The Ezdan Health Club has a manager, yours truly, he is very accessible, helping and easy to reach. He speaks English fairly well and if you would pay attention you can see that he is well-aware of what goes on, for instance: read the notice on the door of the gents changing room.

- Ezdan is a village. In villages 'stuff happens', when you deal with 6000+ individuals incidents are bound to happen and occasionally something will happen that is highly unusual.

- No, do NOT make a scene. It might backfire. Choose wisely.

- Yes, I am aware of this incident. Unfortunately I was not around. I do have CID contacts that are happy to assist me in handling incidents, however I will not pull strings without be 100% convinced about the necessity.

Lastly,

The grass at the neighbors always seems greener, but once at the neighbors.....

I wrote this text not to argue or to generate a discussion about Ezdan. If you feel like voicing your concerns, you know where my office is.

Who do you report it to ?

The guards are lowly paid expats whom no one listens to.

The management cannot be found and is too gutless to do anything.

The morons "abusing" the facilities are idiotic expats who think that they are God's gift to women.

The only answeris a Tazer!

Good idea Drac.

But even if you don't have the presence of mind in the moment... understandable when you're being confronted by someone's 'stuff'.. you can still go back later and report it. Maybe he's been caught on the security cameras.

what is your purpose, to get the man or let people avoid ezdan pool?

Because as everybody said, it's much easy to make a scene and caught this man rather than ranting on QL? Really don't know your purpose!

........tsk! tsk! tsk!

"Don't let a little dispute injure a great friendship"

"dgoodrebel is not plastic"

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Bring your camera and record him!

Call the Police and you'll see how the footage led to pervert being convicted and put on the sex offenders' register and deported!

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Expat, you did the right thing, and I know this has been discussed here before. Make a scene!!!

A friend of mine encountered a flasher in H&M and she just LEFT! Didn't say anything to anyone! I couldn't believe it.

Say something to security so they can get rid of the creep!

Now that guy is still out there and maybe my daughter is gonna run into him?

Ew.Ew. Ew.

I experienced something like this at the beach in Australia.

I started *shouting* at the guy: "Hey you - j*cking off - are you looking at the group of little boys over there by the water or the group of little girls playing in the sand? So which do you like - little boys or little girls?"

He high-tailed it out of there pretty quickly :op

I agree with tallg

For goodness sake, speak up!

Regardless of how long it takes for the police to get there, regardless of whether the management is available, at least get it on record!

The owners and management do NOT want that kind of publicity.

You have a much better chance of getting the open-door policy changed if you complain and keep complaining.

If he ahd his shorts covering it or not doesnt make it any less offensive. Any woman would agree with me. He did what he did and that was just plain wrong.

I didnt call the police then and there because I didnt know how long they would take to get there and what if by the time they got there it would be word against his? I had no idea. Besides, I thought the right thing was to speak to management or someone responsable there so there would be more people aware - specially with all the women and kids around - and then talk to the police, or let the management do it. Or kick him out, whatever.

But I wont just let it stay like this. Thats for sure. But mind you, on the busiest day of the week, with the pool packed with non residents, there was no manager or anyone responsible there. anyway, I am now thinking twice if I go back there.

Reporting it to the police would be far more effective than reporting it on QL.

He is enveloped in time of despair, in time of urgency and in time of need but its bipolar to do it in public. When you dare to do it in an aeroplane, you will be call "High Flyer". Now what do you call it when done in a pool?

Power to the non believers, it’s a great feeling to have and hold.

Yes it does matter...

Cause exposure is way worse...

In either case it is digusting...

But if exposure was involved he needs to go to jail right now...

If I lived there I think I would take my camera.

And bust this dude cause he is sure to return...

You can't teach experience...

If he exposed he should be locked up

What really happened???

You can't teach experience...

that's gross, carry a baton next time and hit in the balls. he won't be smirking any longer.

You can't teach experience...

They have NO RECORD of the non residents... but the residents HAVE to sign up as soon as we get to the pool area. Is this STUPID or what?????

PM, was this that you described here at Ezdan? And Vegas, what I meant is that I saw another couple complaining and I could see the lady was very upset, and she left right after it. This coupld is a resident.

They don't keep track.. Any one can waltz in and use the pool..

You can't teach experience...

I will. Just honestly hope other residents also follow this.

Really, fridays is almost impossible to get a seat downstairs after 9 or 10am... from my window I can see all those striped towels from non residents. Besides, there is no security at all... NOTHING stops a pervet liek that to just follow someone upstairs....

This place is nobody's land!

I mean I know my english sucks...

But I think you could have posted this better???

"went to complain and saw that there was already a couple doing it."

So was he exposing himself or what be more specific...

Thx

You can't teach experience...

You can't teach experience...

take PM's advice...its spot on..

I cannot believe anyone else saw this?

The problem is that Ezdan is allowing ANYBODY to use the pool. The lifeguard has no influence over the people.

Vegas, when I said "It has been getting harder and harder do not regret have come to this place"... it is just because Ezdan place is so full of issues... they go on about all the "features" in this "complex" but it seems to be a bunch of lies.

And now THIS happened... I am sorry, but it is hard not to feel this way,

I am just human after all.

He doesnt live here as he was with the striped towel they only give to the "pay as you go" guests.

"It has been getting harder and harder do not regret have come to this place"

Just my opinion...

You can't teach experience...

I do not intend to just leave it like that. I will take it to the management and if I ever see it again, will just call the police immediately.

If anyone who is staying here saw him, please, send a message or leave a reply here so maybe we can have more of a voice to complain.

I wonder if this B*****D is going to tell his "friends" about it and then this place will become a jungle with these animals being allowed in.

a male friend of mine went into the sauna of ezdan...

the guy in there unwrapped his towel to show him his family jewels and asked him if he liked massages....

so i guess Ezdan is getting a reputation not just for its bad structure

But how quick would the police be to get there? I wanted to do it, but then I didnt know if just my word would be enough.

Hi Su2009, I was there in the morning. I saw him. Gray t-shirt, dark blue shorts, darker skin. And the weirdest thing was that even after the life guard talked to him, he didnt even seemed embarassed.

There was another skinny weird looking guy talking to him later on, for hours.

I saw him after I was sun bathing. we moved away from his sight when he started to smile non-stop at us and I realised what he was doing.

He was literally doing it. disgusting.