Does it always happen in Qatar??
Was leaving Villagio, dressed very modestly (jeans,shirt and flat shoes)loading the car with my shopping bags when a local driver stopped behind my car and started to ASK FOR MY TELEPHONE NUMBER!!!!
For one moment I thought he had mistaken me for someone else. Then he kept signing for me to get in his car... really... I dont know if it was scary or pathetic.
Got into my seat and he blocked my way out and only moved his car when I started to beep the horn non stop.
Scary was to see him following me for a big part of my way home. Of course I didnt go home until was sure the freak wasnt after me.
Really, I wonder if this is the result of such "strict" sinical way people are raised here. But really, if this man was in europe or anywhere else... would he still behave like this? How freak, sick, pathetic is it?????
Is it normal here that men just act like that? Has this freak ever really believed for 1 second that I was REALLY going to give him my number and then jump into his plastic covered goverment paid car???????
GET A LIFE!!! GET A GRIP! SOCIAL SKILLS NOW!!!!
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is there a toll free number to report them, my wife is scared of going out alone.
The world would not make a racehorse of a donkey
who knows may be some non-qatari who knows only to live in forums. They become pretty crude and uncivilised.
Nice stats above, by the way, old saying, polish people always find a way out to cover up.
I don't want to discuss morality, but the facts are
1)Underaged Qatari boys ask women (old enuff to be their mothers)that much discussed question"how much"
2)Most of the men are non Qatari but arabs from smaller income group. But I wonder if they want sex for money why don't they contact a pimp?
3)Sexual harrassment rate in Qatar is unusually high even one compared to other gulf countries like Oman. 99.99% cases are unreported.
4)Well to do Qataris never do these things openly on the street( and alhumdollillah for that)
5)Mobile is a very effective gadget to get rid of stalker, probably more effective than even a gun.
6)Dress code doesn't have anything to do with it even remotely, only jealous arab women present this as a point of arguement.
7)Sexual harrassment at work place (in offices) is almost nonexistent (housemaids are excluded)
8) Qatar is not a safe place for single women. Sexual frustrations are very high and available women become target of sexual and non sexual harrassment very very easily.Please don't have the concept that sexually frustrated men harrass women only in sexual ways.I have come across a very bad experience with a British bachelor, simply because he wanted me to be 'nice' to him.Till the date I have no clue what is it to be nice......like shining your teeth all the time....I don't know.Thankfully,I am faraway from that nonsense situation now.
4 weeks and so many offers already? :-D You must be a pretty girl ;-)
Don't take it seriously, it's just a flirt...
....em surprised with the comments of QL, if that is the reason....then these guys seriously need to get proper education. These problems are everywhere, even in my part of world...but I can never defend it the way, QL did. I have heard, seen and watched a lot about the people of this region (especially when it comes ot S*X)....should I think of every single Arab Man or Woman the same way?
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Whenever I find the KEY to SUCCESS...Someone STEALS it.
Big sigh for Alexander.
Can't be bothered explaining to him the inaccuracies of what he just said.
I’m not saying what he did was right but at least we have less rape crimes than any other western country thanks to the "strict" sinical way people are raised … Who’s more desperate then????
maz1,
i appreciate your objective and partial comments!
If westerns wouldn’t sense so much hypocrisy in people associate with certain religions, they would embrace and respect more those religions!
i'M SURE THAT THOSE PEOPLE ARE NUMBERED HERE AND NOT TOO MUCH,
I LIVE HERE FOR ABOUT 2 YEARS AND I'VE NEVER SEEN SUCH BAD HABBITS.
every nationality has whores, affairs etc so it doesnt give a person the right to make assumptions that westerners are bad by just watching an english movie.
In islam we have no right to judge someone, and you should know better. Easterners get up to more crap then westerners. At least the expats dont do it undercover and try to make themself look innocent.
... once at Villagio and once outside of a restaurant with colleagues. The first time, I took down the plate and complained to the police. A report was filed. The 2nd time, my colleague went over, who spoke Arabic, talked to him, came back and told me he didn't want to approach me directly because he'd gotten in trouble for that before. I promptly took out a pen and paper and started to write down his plate # and he very quickly sped off.
It happens everywhere.... atleast here they are more blunt about it.
We're in a great place where this is quite a lot of respect for women (and always the majority of them being locals actually)... the fact that if we are uncomfortable as expats, it is taken seriously and that is done moreso than in any other countries.
Brin
its amazing what their IQ might be, for not being able to distinguish fiction from reality!!!!!
What else do you expect? They watch western movies and all they see is mixed up relationships, stripers, prostitutes, babies with anonymous biological dads..What makes YOU different? Respect is earned!!
so long we can calculate 17 people have been harassed...
lol
I've been harassed by young boys when I was wearing an abaya and shayla. They actually wanted to give me their phone numbers and were asking me out -- and I am probably old enough to be their grandmother!
And she is not from the Bouvet Islands. Some people who have been harassed on QL have taken to choosing obscure countries for their profiles. Others do it because they have been banned repeatedly or don't want to identify where they are from.
It's really not that hard to get, is it?
I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
me n my friend had a car following us all the way to the police station.....tht was fun to see his reaction when we got into the police station....We did inform the police that we were dropping by with a man behind us....
And it is not what you are wearing but bn a foreigner women...
Next time call the police ( the police here take this matter very serious)
not to over expose your flesh, not too tight. Perhaps, she is dressing over-attractive, as she is newly moved from 17 people almost inhabited country to a multiple national resident country like this... a cultural shock
keiko san:
This is certainly aggravating to a lady.
When I was in college, I traveled with a group of girls to Europe. We had the same problem with Italian men. So, I showed this blog to my friend who is Sicilian and an attorney. He said if anyone would do this to his mother or sister...
But he also said that for every 20 turn-downs a man like this receives, he might receive one woman receptive to his invite. These men are playing a numbers game.
To reinforce what has been already said: Follow the advice above, collect evidence snapshots (license plate, him, his car), location. Identifying him well. Go directly to a public place where there are married couples. Solicit their help, then call the police. Never, never allow yourself to park in an isolated area or dark area or handle this alone.
it is becoming common here now a days ...i remember few days back someone started a thread about locals being so friendly,nice and sweet...once they face what all happened with you then they will come to know about the reality...anyways in this kind of situation next time just call 999 and tell police about the car number ..they will take care of the rest
Paranoid implies a depth of fear, whereas they may simply be being cautious. However it is more likely they just do not feel any obligation to share details of their lives to complete strangers.
17 members listed from inhabited bouvet island???
r they a group of ... (u know the answer)
opinion can be categorised as paranoid?
perhaps she got a severe trauma by telling somebody that she is from such country... :-(
Zaen, there is no option not to give out personal details on QL. So for the people who want to remain private, the only option is to choose random identifiers. And remaining private is actually a very realistic choice. Over the internet people are able to exploit their knowledge of you, and it can and has transferred over into people's real lives and caused a fair bit of trouble. Give anyone enough access to information about yourself and they can potentially track you down and stalk you.
if he start lying about a small thing, how about a big one? see, she lied about his age (tell me what is the problem to tell the range of our age? it's only the range, not the actual age). second, she lied about where he came from, tell me again, what is the problem to put your original country there? or maybe she feels too inferior to put it as she came from poorest country in the world??? or perhaps she is so paranoid... :-(
With those lies, then how can we trust his complaint/post? maybe she lied also or only looking for attention or she got some frustration from a guy from one nation and tried to discredit that nation??? for all these then she should hide her identity. Am I right?
Zaen,
I guess you need an explanation: do you really think that everybody displays their real identity in forums like this?!
O_o
mean?
Zaen,
Are you really that dumb?!!!!!!!
I actually agree with you.
su2009 said:
I am not 66yo and even if I was, I dont think that would make any difference to the real MORONS...
http://www.qatarliving.com/user/su2009 :
Nationality: Bouvet Island
Job Title: future teller
Gender: Female
Age: 66 and over
su2009 said: Really, what a pathetic little hypocrit place this is....
Wiki said (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bouvet_Island):
Bouvet Island (Norwegian: Bouvetøya) is an uninhabited sub-antarctic volcanic island in the South Atlantic Ocean, south-southwest of the Cape of Good Hope (South Africa). It is a dependent territory (Norwegian: biland) of Norway and is not subject to the Antarctic Treaty. It is the most remote island in the world.
Then we saw who is the little hypocrit and who is THE BIG ONE?
Mac Saif - get a life. We're FED UP hearing 'if you don't like it, leave now' Boring, boring, boring...........
Actually, from what most women in Qatar are saying, it is common. The whole point is all countries have kidnappers and rapists, Qatar just seems to have regular harrassments as well, more so then those other countries you don't want to mention.
I don’t know why u make this thing as big issue
In other places (without mention name of countries which is most of you guys are from), the girls kidnapped and raped without askin their Tel No.
IF some one ask ur no. just ignore him, sooner or later he will leave u alone.
and if u not feel save is this nice country u have a choice to leave NOW.
by the way this is individual acts.. It’s not common
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easy come easy go...
CBD,
If you come to our countries and are accepted to live and work there, you will be protected under the law as a citizen, just like any other local or foreigner resident.
and, believe it or not after a few years, you are given the choice to even obtain a local citizenship, with a passport and full citizen rights and obligations, including criticizing what you judge needs improvement and even contributing directly or indirectly to the that improvement... and even more, believe it or not you may even be elected to become part of the government of that country that received you and embraced you as a equal citizen...
The above is only the possibility that human beings are given when they go and work in "our countries", as here in Qatar... well we all know...
If I go to your countries, and face a bad experience, AND go around moaning about how education systems and ways people of your country are raised...then i will not be surprised if faced with people asking me to leave if not feeling secure..
because condemning a whole society based on individual experiences, especially when it is arguably normal everywhere, is not respectful.
and If I do the same as su2009 did in posting this thread, then i deserve what I get.
Miss X, Lusitano..
We will not have to argue about the correctness of my statement as long as people respect each other.
This is what it comes down to.
CBD,
The reason is, as Dottie well pointed, is that often we get this rude 'well if you don't like it just leave'.
Not all countries' depend on foreigners the way Qatar does.
Which other country (outside the Gulf) has 90% of foreigners? Which other country has no taxi driver, no shop attendant, no baker, no labor, no cleaner, no many other things from their own nationality?
This just gives you the abnormality of what Qatar is and how more thankful and respectful some Qataris should be towards those foreigners - who are actually the only reason Qatar is Qatar.
I completely disagree with the comment that "no country on this earth can survive without foreigners". The other countries on this Earth survive DESPITE accepting foreigners as citizens. Other countries have rates of forced unemployment because there simply are not enough jobs to go around. People want to work, yet there are not enough positions available. Qatar's workforce is made up of huge a percentage of foreigners. It would be interesting to see modern Qatari's in thobes working in 40 degree heat climbing scaffolding with planks of wood and metal to build their own complexes.
curious.
Dottie,
no country on this earth can survive without foriegners. However, all countries do not welcome people who are not respectful to its people.
This can be clearly seen from su2009 thread who is ignorant and daft.
I am surprised you all get drafted and not able to notice what is wrong with this thread.
The truth is, people leave Qatar all the time. People quit after just working for a few days or weeks here. People who don't like it DO go home, and very few people stay more than a couple of years. Not because their job isn't secure, but because of issues like this.
That doesn't really paint a picture of a country that is safer or friendlier or better or whatever for the people who choose to leave.
Well said lusitano - I'm so SICK of people saying 'well if you don't like it just leave'. OK, let's all go, and leave the Qataris to run their own country. Wonder how long they would survive without their housemaids, drivers, labourers, engineers, shop workers, accountants, etc, etc. Get the picture mercury?
Oh and as you probably know, because of the exit visa requirement, we're not always free to leave when we want. Indentured servants or what?
mercury,
considering ignorants, no one likes what you said, they will keep condemning until you agree to thier claim which is clearly racist.
Lusitano,
you misinterpret again, we value foreigners and they are more than welcome. However, those bigoted, narrow minded would probably be better off in thier safe homes if they think they are in risk.
I believe mercury referred only to those not to the 90% you mentioned.
mercury,
How would your life be, if all foreigners (90% of the population of Qatar) accept your invitation to leave?!
First … stalkers and strange men like that are every where.
And in you countries believe me are more than here …don’t tell me that your country is safer than Qatar … I know many of people grow here and very happy in living in Doha and they say it is safer than their home country …
You really very ignorant about this county and it’s people … any man in white thoop .. to you is Qatari … a lot of other Arabic nationality ware the Qatari men clothe ….
And finally have some respect people for this country … a country with out it your pockets won’t be that full …
And if you don’t fell safe … leave … no one is holding you …
GO TO YOUR SAVE COUNTRY
Oh God...
Su2009 craves for attention, once again with her emotional and ever nagging posts.
This has never happened. Trust me.
If it did, she should be flattered, trust me.
That's all.
i always enjoy your comments...
hehehe
are you sure?
you can't change it
Brit,
I was not referring to westerns in general or western countries, I was referring to the westerns that posted their comments here, no western in this forum was imposing their western dress code on anybody.
no he is just one SOB and got kicked out from QL by admins an absolute a$$ with a dunce head.
agreed.. The majority of Westerners do and should respect the locals customs and norms. It is the "minority" that cause the problem for all of us..
I have worked (fortunately or unfortunately) in most countries of the Gulf and "dress" is a major part of the culture / norm here. We may not like it, but the societies within this region demand and expect it.
Just as an aside .. I know a couple of friends who lived in Dubai and complained always about the dress code there.. Yet, now they are working in Saudi and quite happy to comply with local expectations... I wonder why :)
Huck is back with another nickname!
Huck is back with another nickanme!
Miss X,
You are right, Brit didn't read it the way I meant.
Brit,
No country that I have been in so far (including this one) has ever imposed their dress codes on foreigners or I have never imposed on the natives of those countries my own dress code.
All I am saying is, contrary to what Amoud seemed to imply, the majority of the westerns here respect each and every individual's choices and all what they are defending is that everybody should respect what easy and every individual chooses for him/herself.
As you know well, this discussion would make no sense in any country I lived in (including North America, Europe and Asia)! But then again, I am probably spoiled by living only in countries where "undercover moral police agents" are condemned and rejected by society!
I agree to that. We are imposing our own norms of tolerance to difference, yes. But we are not specifically imposing our dress codes on to them.
As you said ".. according to their own dress code.".. The simple fact is that we are not in our own society, so by doing so we may be trying to impose our own norms on them..
I think you misunderstood what he meant Brit.
He meant (correct me if I am wrong lusitano), that people want the choice to dress in their own way. He was defending the statement that Westerners are trying to impose their Western way of dressing onto others. But that is not the case, they do not want to impose their dress code onto others at all, they want the freedom for anyone to dress according to their own dress code.
Whilst i agree with the gist of your argument, i must question your comment "..Nobody wants locals or any other person to be forced to dress in any other way but their own way!"
Herein lies the crux of the discussion. You , yourself having lived / worked in many countries know that different countries and cultures have different values and norms. Hence , we as outsiders have to comply with these norms when living there.
As for your last comment regarding "undercover moral police agent". That may be true, but not much we can do about it.
Well said, lusitano.
Amoud,
To be fare, I don't think any western here is imposing any dress code on any body.
What they are defending here, is that the way one chooses to dress (in this case to wear or not bikini) is one's (only) business.
Nobody wants locals or any other person to be forced to dress in any other way but their own way!
People here are defending respect for the diversity, the world is composed of!
They are also defending freedom to all individuals, to choose to cover themselves 100% or to wear a bikini on the beach. Freedom of choice and Respect of others choices, is what people are here defending to all citizens!!!
Also, people in general feel uncomfortable to know that they are living in a society where each citizen is an "undercover moral police agent" that can at any time accuse them of not complying with his own personal believes!
I think the Qatari thobe is HOT! :-)
And God forbid, don't start dressing like Americans with bermuda shorts and socks with sandals! Yikes!
I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
lolz...i dont wanna..hhehehe.ae.ae..aehaehaeh
anyone who wants to share their thoughts?
Bleu, only if you will sing and dance for us like the "King of Pop." Besides, last time we saw MJ he was in an abaya and niqab in Bahrain (is there any scarier thought than Michael Jackson in khaleeji drag?)
Mandi
Amoud, next, they'll say we all need to dress like westerners, and do everything they do. We would also need to let go of our religion, language, and culture... And we still wouldn't be pleasing enough.
Would we be OK if we became fake-white, like Michael Jackson?
Lusitano, the whole post is how locals should familiarize themselves and such with western ideas and practise that ideology. Locals should play the dating game in a civilized western manner as stated by the posters. Locals should accept western ways should they not by the logic of the posts?
Because people tend to do things different here posters are deeming them barbaric, uneducated and lacking in social civility by western standards.
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
Abu and UKEng point me to the direction of these direct desperate ladies. No time to spend on wooing etc I like a woman who knows what she wants and isnt afraid to take it. :p
Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!! :)
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maryfaith is right it is very common here. Even the guys are no exception. I was in the Club at Ramada the other day and this young Korean (I think she was Chinese) lady was admant that I dance with her, to which I obliged. The next thing she wants me was to give her my number and so on on.
After which I headed for the exit and ran as fast as I could to a Taxi.
So even men are not safe in Qatar..:((
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HE WHO DARES WINS
Smoke, I definitely fulfill two of your requirements.............
it's common here..just be alert and make ways to avoid the freak. you are very smart not to go home directly..you are brave and wise..
and how to kick that fat azz kitty also.
Dottie I have all that your looking for and even MORE, however you can only give me your no. if you are drop dead gorgeous, have blue eyes, brunette, know how to do the laundry, iron, dust the furniture, make the bed, etc etc :p
Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!! :)
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sorry guess am not all that you are looking for.
but i have a bonus point for you
ALL I need is to hang up and fire a bazooka from 10km distance and there you go in space. :D
Erm no I didn't DaRuDe - said If a guy was polite and not pushy, I would smile, say I'm married and not interested. However, if you're totally gorgeous, with a dazzling smile, amazing personality, big fat salary and money to burn, get back to me............ha ha ha
na you can go there alone i wont follow you.
:( Sweet Lord of Timbuktu now he's gonna follow me around where ever i go!
Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!! :)
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dont worry i dont need to ask you for your number BECAUSE I ALREADY HAVE IT.
and before you ask for my no. darude let me just say I'M NOT INTERESTED either :p
Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!! :)
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you meanie you just said up there if any one asked me politely for my number i will give it to them. you never said you will answer back I AM MARRIED.
:/
Sorry DaRuDe - I'm married :) lol
now whats your phone number
may i have it plz :D
It happens all the time here, and over the years I've learned how to deal with it. Just pick up your phone, pretend to take their picture, threaten to call the cops, and you won't see them for dust!
I've been followed whilst out walking my dogs by a creepy guy in his car, saying sexually explicit and revolting things to me. Just what exactly is going on in his head?? Does he honestly believe that I'm going to jump into his car and have sex with him?? (btw, not a Qatari) I can deal with it, and truly think he's a pathetic, retarded excuse of a man, but if my teenage daughter was subjected to this kind of abuse, she would not know how to react. (although I have told her what to do, she would still be shocked I'm sure)
I've been followed home from Villaggio several times, been stalked round Carrefour by a guy pretending to be interested in pasta sauces................the list goes on.
It's par for the course living here, and I think a lot of it is because men don't know how to socially interact with or approach girls. Personally, if a guy asks me for my phone number, I don't get offended, because I know they think it's a totally acceptable thing to do here. If they're polite and not pushy, I just smile, say I'm married and not interested. If they start to pester me, that's when I do the phone thing!
Amoud,
Sorry to jump in, I may be wrong but I don't think there is here any western that is enforcing the western freedom of choice (of what to wear) to any local or any body else!
I must say I find it amusing that we westerners feel that the locals should bend to our dress code but we should not have to bend to their cultural habits?
I am confused now, is Qatar still a colonial country?
Men forcing women into their cars is an extreme and happens everywhere. I dont think I would label a majority of the population "barbaric" or "uneducated" because their practises do not follow in line with ours. ____________________________________________________
"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
I've come to the conclusion that you could wear a suit of armour and still be harrassed. Really telling them to buzz off is the only answer.
"Since we cannot educate every barbaric male around lets try not to draw their attention towards at least"
Errr, yes we can educate every barbaric male around. It's the simplest form of education. Behavioural conditioning. It's how we train animals to behave. Apply a noxious stimuli everytime they behave inappropriately. For those of you who have never had a pet. Embarrass the crap out of them when they cross the line. They will remember that the next time they think about approaching another woman.
And dressing conservatively is a load of crap. From posts in this forum alone, I have come to the conclusion that you are harrassed even in an Abaya and pregnant. The men need to be educated. It is us women who are unintentionally encouraging it, by choosing to ignore it. These men need to experience negative repurcussions when they cross the line, otherwise they will continue with the same behaviour.
Next time they ask for your number tell them its 999!!
They will run!!
yes su it does always happen here, but it's not only the locals that are like that, other nationalities too. But at the same time you do have decent people around, a guy might genuinely be interested in a girl, but not many.
Also some girls are just as bad, they run after local guys for money regardless of them being married or not.
no i dont think if he ever got back again. because he will mostly talking about Hinduism and Western girls which he was mad about. So not huck but guess his twin
With Dress or with no dress does not condone harassment....Since we cannot educate every barbaric male around lets try not to draw their attention towards at least,... that too at a cost to our beautiful skin..... That said, we why should one insist on continuing locally unacceptable behavioral ant cost???
will proper dress ,Free thinking ,Permissible society,stop sexual harassment altogether? NO NEVER. But lets hope to do our best to minimize it.:)
So bode is huck, who's mir73 who's cutesrk who's whatever the hell his name was before....
and the only man I have ever known from Bangladesh; but I do know some very, very nice Bengali girls.
I find Qatari men to generally be very polite.
I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
just goes to show that no matter how modestly dressed women are, perverts will always be perverts...
Really.. is huck a good example of how local men really are??
for harassment.
Funny how you think just like that creepy Huck.... Hmmmmm.......
I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
Yes... I am safe and hopefully going soon for a very well deserved holiday VERY VERY far away from here!!!!!!
well, your worth in the mkt place has gone up :)
just joking, anyway, the most important thing is you are safe, su2009.
hard to believe...
nothing at all? no way ladzzz
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you will get the way you gave, understood?
That kind of thinking reminds me of people who justify rape by saying the woman "asked for it". I am surprised at how often women are our own worst enemies.
I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
No he/she doesn't. Ask most women here, doesn't matter how conservatively they dress, they still get harrassed.
Vert true... Gypsy,.... I was refering to many ways how not make a bad situation worse..
polka has point, you cant deny
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you will get the way you gave, understood?
Sorry polkadots but what you wear (or don't wear) has nothing to do with it.
Lets leave aside the perceived image of Qatari/Arab male's idea of entitled for sexual gratification frm any female he decides, and the Qatari Female who "From what I see the women here will "dissprove" or act offended for awhile, and five minutes later they'll bluetooth them their phone number. "....What can v expats do to protect our dignity/sanity as long as we r here.. tell me what really provokes one to wear minimal clothing in this damaging weather?.....
Confirming to the local traditions of minimal skin exposed might help. Besides the climate here requires us especially women to cover-up to avoid sun damage, skin aging , drying......on doesn’t have to be skimpily dress to be fashionable either.
And above all lets not thrust our own cultures down the Arab throats and expect them to just comply just coz it works for us ,Back home do we let foreigners decide the fate of our society or do we expect them to “just shut up move along with the flow or leave”?????
Yes Su, most men would, but again it's cultural. From what I see the women here will "dissprove" or act offeneded for awhile, and five minutes later they'll bluetooth them their phone number.
It's just the way these men have been raised to treat women. I'm not justifying it, I'm just trying to explain it.
Your points are valid.. Sexual harrassment , abuse and rape occur all over the world. In most developed countries , the female is able to go to court without hinderance. However, even in the UK, most rape caess don't either get as far as the court or are usually thrown out for lack of evidence :(..
in west, girls are not raped by men.... coz, lolzz, men dont have to rape.....
:)
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you will get the way you gave, understood?
Gypsy, whatever situation is, if a woman feel scared and uncomfortable... a NORMAL man would back off and leave.
Yes, there are so much more cases of rapes in the west than any muslin country and the reason for that is that in the west women are respected. ANd we are heard. You honestly believe women here are not raped? Wives, philipino (slaves) maids, nieces, daughters... they are victims as much as anywhere else, the difference is that here they dont talk.
how do know all those private information of qatari couple by the way?
lol
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you will get the way you gave, understood?
I wasn't under the impression he was forcing her into his car, if he was I misunderstand. What I was referring to was the following around, begging for the phone number, really aggressive approach to getting women that men use here, I was saying THAT's a cultural thing.
Trying to force someone into a car is wrong. Following them around and honking at them and asking for their number is just...well...normal male behaviour here.
Gypsy,
How could you speak for men and women of this region?
abusing a woman here is a serious issue which not many people do.
human nature is a human nature.
no lady would like a situation where someone tries to force her into his car regardless of where she comes from.
It is good you stated it is how you see it though.
The main issue here is a cultural misunderstanding as I see it. Men in this part of the world see this kind of behaviour as appropriate, and for the most part (from what I understand) women from this part of the world like it. Women from other parts of the world aren't used to it and don't like it.
If it was something as simple, as say, not using a certain hand gesture which isn't offensive in the West but is offensive in the East it wouldn't be a problem. However it isn't that simple, because this sort of behaviour frightens people women who aren't used to it (or expecting or wanting it).
However at the end of the day it is a CULTURAL issue.
Gypsy,
let us avoid this argument or have it in another thread.
the main issue here, and in so many threads, is racism if you like whether of cultural nature, religious or otherwise.
you can read for yourself: this country, a qatari, a local etc are causes of this incident!
if I use the same logic some people here are using, so many people/cultures/countries will be worse.
How can anyone say that the number of cases in one country are higher OR lower than Qatar?
There are no transparent statistics.
If there's nothing to hide.....................?
We aren't saying that CBD, however we are saying that Qatar is not as low as you would like to believe. The reason the US is so high is because almost every incident is reported, like date rape, spousal rape as well as violent rape by a stranger, even a prostitute can report being raped. Here, you MAY have a case of violent rape reported, but defintely not date rape or spousal rape or even a case of a sponsor raping his maid.
Personally I think if every case of rape in the world was reported, statistics would be pretty similar across the board.
so the actual rape cases in US is less than Qatar?
For one thing, a lot of the rape cases reported in my home country are committed by the husband.
If a husband rapes his wife in Qatar, it's not considered rape - a husband is entitled to have sex with his wife even if she says no.
If Bob forced his wife Jane to have sex in the US, she would go to the police and report it as rape.
If a Qatari forced his wife to have sex, do you think she would go to the police?
"Why... the rate of rape[according to news reports] is much more in Western countries than in Qatar."
As Qatar does not release rape statistics, and 99% go unreported we have NO IDEA what the rate of rape is here or if it's higher or lower than the West.
As for women who wear Salwar/Kameez I work with women who wear that and they ALL have been harrassed, many multiple times, so I wouldn't say it's rare at all.
Polkadots..
I like what you said..though many won't.
Abusing any one for sex or otherwise IS a GRAVE offence against the person's dignity....But it is not region specific..Western friends should not blame a strict society for breeding peverts,statastics show that rape, molestation and all forms sexual abuse DOES happen every where in a "free ,liberated "world as well, Why... the rate of rape[according to news reports] is much more in Western countries than in Qatar.And obviously Qatar has got some thing better than our "free liberated and safe hme country" that's why we all r here... so lets not go around saying "If I were in UK ,US...e.tc "coz it has its own set of problems that's why u just left it... And in this part of the world even men too cover up frm head to toe so lets not pretend all's well in wearing spaghetti& shorts in public....one really has to be blind not to notice the diff in local traditions and the reaction we get if too much skin is exposed.
BTW Harassing Salwar/Kameez clad women is comparatively rare,How come? Does this reflect their perceived sexual attraction? I see a lot of Locals happily married to many... though!!!
like some guy trying to force his number on you or someone asking "How much" (no matter how crude and barbaric that is). But I do think a public service campaign is in order. Look at the signs dealing with road safety now. 10 years ago there was NOTHING. Granted we have a long way to go still, but I think progress is being made. There should be something similar for sexual harassment.
As for the over the top stuff -- stalkers, trying to pull women into cars, blocking someone in, following them or worse, running into them -- women need to take the initiative, taking photos, calling police and pressing charges.
I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
hehehe,..........gueesss lots of ladies will register for the class..........hahahahaha
Or
women should learn KUNG FU to encounter such damnwits........ :-)
It should be pointed out that the men behave this way because it's culturally "acceptable" and above all on QL we preach to respect the culture. So maybe we non-Arab women should just learn to deal with it. :P
Solutions -
Women shouldn't go out without a male guardian. That would ease the situation, but no one would tolerate it (for good reason).
Or
More security guards in public spaces - but shopping center management would argue that this will be a waste of money
Or
Make this a punishable offence - but who will police it?
Or
Discourage guys from engaging in such behavior - not sure how this could be achieved in simple, practical terms.
Or
Teach women how to respond - but why should women have to bear the burden when it is a small number of men who are creating the problem?
To ask a different question - is there anything this country could learn from other countries to try and reduce this behavior?
its just some ppl perception and behaviour or the way of their thinking cant be implied under religion, nationlity or islam category........etc..
its simply the environment create this thing,.....
besidee, the truth is...there are some gurls, or ladies are happy if the guys did this to them........which i have no idea wht their trying to prrooove and wht they can get from this kind of action.......
Well I suppose you could start no-harrassment campaigns...however this would be difficult to say the least. Firstly, because Qatar would have to admit it has a problem with this and Secondly, it would have to make the men accountable for their actions, and not just preach at woman to wear more clothes.
Thirdly, if there's no punishment for doing it...What's the onus to stop?
Since you can't do that, then surely the answer is to make these people look silly when confronted and work on educating them through the local media.
Besides a complete restructuring of the society as a whole...I don't think there is one.
OK.. Time to step back a little..
Simple question from a layperson - What is the solution ?
Sorry Silvia, but it does: "Really, I wonder if this is the result of such "strict" sinical way people are raised here. But really, if this man was in europe or anywhere else... would he still behave like this? How freak, sick, pathetic is it?????"
i think this bulletin only ask DOES IT ALWAYS HAPPEND IN QATAR..........it never mentioned the nationality in it, or religion, or islam, or etc.....
its just mentioned the situation.....
Oh BTW, read "Girls of Riyadh" if you want a little insight into why the guys behave this way. It's a brillinat book.
Ah Su2009 that's nothing!! I had two guys run into my car to get my phone number! Now THAT is a reason to get pissed off. Cost me 3000 QR to fix the dent, and all they offered me was dinner. :P
Honestly it happens here so often that you get used to it and you laugh it off. Pretty soon you'll be comparing with your friends who's got the best "Romeo" story. :D
Huck... this forum is not pathetic... pathetic is try to see things through rose lenses....
Pathetic is when someone think he/she is better than the rest of the world only because.... they think so. And based on this believe they treat everyone else as if they were their own "pets".... THAT is pathetic.
And as for irony.... well... I could give you a long list of ironic situation based on a lot of what I see here... but I think everyone is very much aware of it all.
... i guess, this is the rule of this forum....
funny, pathtic but ironic.
Wow... have to say, came to check it and I am surprised with how much locals get defensive.
I have never been harrased like this time at Villagio anywhere else but here and thats the only reason why I was wondering if it is common here this "male desperation"..... and by the way, has any of them EVER really believed they would get lucky by "approaching" someone as they do? honestly... it is pathetic.
And huck... take it easy. You should listen more than you talk. Specially from your "western" friends here...
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AMEN, PM!
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The worst is when you actually feel pity for a guy and then he abuses that. I suspect most of them don't learn a lesson and just chase after others -- with a new nickname of course!
This is why I don't participate in open social gatherings. Too many perverts.
I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
So now you are religious? :-) Perhaps you should make tauba for your indiscretions.
I am done here and didn't mean to hijack the thread. I just find your level of hypocrisy disgusting.
My apologies to the OP for the hijack.
I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
thanks god that i have already forgiven someone whom i respected and trusted to share personal things and got disrespected on those issues later...
and i know Allah also will be forgiving her....
i am over and out.
I feel sorry for the females that are victims of this harrassment. And in a rare moment of sympathy, I feel (less) sympathy for the guys.
Do they *ever* actually find a woman interested in them?
Or would it be like the case of the dog that caught the car - what would they do if the woman actually said 'okay, let's go to my place'.
Would he go weak at the knees??
... Allah will make me stronger so that still i can feel pity, not angry, to that person...
after all, we all are his creation...
I edited my post because I don't want to drag an innocent woman into QL. But you really should be ashamed of yourself.
I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
when you chase women on QL Huck? One should be very careful what they say and do to "ease the emptiness" because it might come back to bite you in the derriere.
I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
... perhaps Allah will bring peace to that person's mind...
... coz the person is justifying the emptyness...
sad...
I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
... rally poor...
I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
PM, I think he may also be racist against Qataris.
It's classic to say "I'm not racist; one of my best friends/teachers/employees was ____ (fill in the blank)"
You are indeed racist against white Westerners and it reeks from every post you write. That is in addition to being a misogynist trying to chase after women on QL making them feel sorry for you when you send private messages saying how sad and lonely you are because you are all alone here in Doha.
I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
... against westerners at all...
in fact, my ever teacher, when i was 4/5 years old i guess, was a brit....
anyhow, when i see that ppl like brit can speak with a neutral tone, i feel i dont need to be racist...
and i hope, some ppl, one day, would overcome of beingone-eyed, overcome of satisfying own ego....
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and you prove it time and again by your anti-Western posts. Now you are saying because you like Brit's comments you have to reconfirm that he is a Westerner, as if only Easterners are decent people.
To borrow your silly expression: I wish some people from Bangladesh were not so "one-eyed" :-)
I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
... why doest it happen that evenwhen i read your comment, i go to your profile everytime to see whether you are really a westerner? your profit info prove me wrong and i am glad for that... (dont think me racist please !)
i appreciate your way of seeing things... i wish some ppl form 'other countries' could have the same...
may Allah bless you...
I agree witn you, but having worked in quite a few countries , believe me , whilst "sexual harrassment" may be disproportionate here, it is far far worse in many countries.
I agree that education is one answer, but also the development of the society is another atep that will alleviate it. Qatar is still very very young compared to others.
I also sincerely believe that whilst the "phone number" pushing stuff happens. we tend to blow it a little out of proportion. Why not just ignore it or humiliate the guy when he does it AND MOVE ON!
PM said "I do think women will probably have to take the lead here and start making it very uncomfortable for these men who are causing the porblem."
And start raising awareness to the other men who are wrapped up in their own world. They think they have a load of work issues and trouble on their shoulders, but they are not the only ones. They don't see this as a problem, trivial stuff and women just being problematic for them and added trouble, etc.etc. BS. Women who are here, work (whether for the home or for companies) and we have so many problems to deal with. We shoulder various different problems quietly whereas the wusses think their problems are the biggest and are against problems added by the women.
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Don't want no drama,
No, no drama, no, no, no, no drama
This country just make me sick...
Like the sponsor slavery program...
That what it is...
I'm sick of women being treated like slave...
Yes I see it everyday...
Even the guys they are captive here...
Even I have to get a letter to go on vacation...
And hope they let me out at the airport..
Sponsorship program sux...
If a bank is stupid enough to give loan...
It should be their problem...
Of course the Bank is the Gov...
In the US we have illegals but they still earn good pay.
Here you have legals and they don't make shyt...
rant does nothing so I stop...
You can't teach experience...
fubar..
it is not a matter of reading..it is a matter of comprehension..which you seem to lack!
There is an unhealthy balance between sexes here and too many men going long periods of time without their family. Then there is the problem that many place the responsibility on women to "protect" men from their own bad impulses. When you couple that with a lot of people that are inexperienced in dealing with the opposite sex in a mature and respectful manner, you have all the ingredients for a sexual harassment problem.
I do think women will probably have to take the lead here and start making it very uncomfortable for these men who are causing the porblem.
I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
PM said , "the point is that in Qatar, there seems to be a disproportionate amount of sexual harassment that takes place from my experience. I suspect that is because of 3 factors:
1) social and educational segregation that leads to males not knowing how to interact with females
2) A disproportionate number of bachelors here who go long times without seeing their wives and families
3) a belief that women are at fault by providing temptation to men (as supported by some twisted Muslim teachings)"
Absolutely correct, PM. And the women are at fault just by being women and a walking temptation - so it goes to show how weak these men are, if they cannot control themselves. And someone mentioned before that it's not just about sex, it's about power. They only harrass women, whom they perceive as weaker than them but it just shows that they are sorry excuses for men.
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Don't want no drama,
No, no drama, no, no, no, no drama
Correct, fubar - "... these sorts of guys represent a disproportionately large segment of the population in Qatar which is the first part of the problem, and since ..." Either it happens here more than in other countries, or we just see/experience it more here. "
It happens more here because of the imbalance of the male and female population and the fact that many of these men who are here think less of women and feel that they should stay home so if they're out and about, they are asking for trouble.
In my opinion, when there's a problem, people should be proactive about it and not sit about and talk through their arse and justify their own inaction. People are egocentric. What to do? They are stupid granite heads but fail to see their own faults. But what goes around, comes around. If they don't change and adapt, they will be leaving Qatar.
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Don't want no drama,
No, no drama, no, no, no, no drama
what does it mean?
you want drama? or not?
PM said Actually conservatively dressed women do have these problems too ..."
True. I get harrassed sometimes too. Recently, Monday evening, I met up with friends and got back late about 10pm - bloody AH threatened to run me down when I got out of the car. He saw me get out of my car, had to double park behind my company cars. He revved his engine and purposely headed for me to scare me, turned off at last minute, wound down his windows and tried to get fresh with me. If he had gotten out of his car, I would have done something that might have landed me in jail, but him in hospital. Was quite badly shaken.
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Don't want no drama,
No, no drama, no, no, no, no drama
... but, i must admit, i agreed with your 1st point also, jokes apart....
:D
... your 2nd point.... ha ha ha .....
1st u have had to take his car plate number and directly report it to police.
2nd since u are a FUTURE-TELLER, then y didnt u notice abt this car before ur arrival?
Please learn to read.
No one is saying Qataris are the ONLY offenders.
No one is saying Qatar is the ONLY country where this happens.
fubar..
why do you start some argument when it is proven to be your habit to change course it at the end?
you have stated earlier words such as: classy country! a brave Qatari!
the country you referred to is Qatar and the brave guy is Qatari! and , as you claim this things happens the most in Qatar..
and after all, you try to say that you are not blaming Qataris for this?
guess what, blaming Qatar is worse than blaming Qataris!
I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
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Damn It PM !!! Now look what you gone and done! Hucks taken his Ball home!!!!!LOL!!!
every one will ignore your silly posts "huck/tom" :-)
I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
You may be used to shutting women up but you don't control me "huck".
The rest of your post makes no sense; I have no idea what you mean by "dont flirt yourself that much...."
I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
... from now on, before i lose my control, you are ignored.
please dont reply my comment/post/anything...
take care.
How many times do people have to say it is not about Qataris for you to get it? Wallah, I swear you did not even read this thread but simply want to stir up some sh!t.
I need to put you on IGNORE mode, because since you reincarnated yourself as Huck (which btw, is spelled "Huckleberry Finn") your posts have all been divisive and idiotic.
I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
I can't be bothered reading through this entire thread, but why oh why do people keep saying that posters are accusing Qataris of being the only offenders.
Who ever actually wrote that???
Where has anyone written that this is a problem unique to Qatar???
We're from a variety of countries, but it seems that one thing we all have in common is that prior to coming to Qatar, we have never witnessed so much of this behavior. The thread is about disussing why it seems to be so much more common here than elsewhere.
I don't recall anyone suggesting that the reason it happens so much in Qatar is because Qataris are bad people.
Nothing is more relaxing than flying like an Eagle in Heaven !!
Also, you girls dont be so arrogant all the time like you all act here in Qatar being most wanted bekoz of the social life here! STOP nagging and acting like angels from heaven.
Nothing is more relaxing than flying like an Eagle in Heaven !!
it happens a lot unfortunely .. u ll get used to it but u can just shout on him in front of every1 and he will f*ck off for sure! Silvia no1 will follow u :P am ur new body guard :)
PM, and you should mind your language.... did i tell you that i was talking bout only your post? dont flirt yourself that much....
i mentioned in general... considering all the post, not yours only...
if you can't argu in by using decent words, PM, dont address me anymore.... and that should be the first ever thing you should have learnt....
you dont need teach me the spelling of huckfin.... i know but, as usual, with our dumb (i had to use this word) headed, one-eyed concepteion, you can't think ever that ppl may take different norms of a historic name....
what made you think that i care if you ignore me or what? who rather told you to reply on my comment/post? .... do youself a favor PM, to infront of the mirror, and ask yourself.... and you will figure out why you are being pathetic and always complaining....
i didnt want to tell all these things, but, your uncontrolled words compelled me to do so...
... towards women exists each and every part of the world , and ofcourse, in different form...
in my country it has its own form, in gcc, qatar, dubai, usa, canada, india, mouritania, costarica, veneguela.... where not?
i am not from arab peninsula and not from western countries as well, but, i am pretty lucky to work/get mixed with ppl from every continent, sometimes, quite closely.... so, i really feel bothered when i find ppl blame qataris for such things as if this harrusment occurs here only.... it occurs everywhere in the world ! i am not saying this is to defend qataris/men in qatar to allow what's around, and its always punishable in every aspect, but, its not fair to comment such a way that as it may seem that it happens only in qatar ! come on ! gimme a break !
issues. I think they come into most of your posts, which I suspect stems from a sense of insecurity that in your mind is the result of racial discrimination.
I have been neutral in this thread. No one ever said that harassment doesn't happen everywhere. You blasted into this thread implying that everyone is pretending it doesn't; which implies that by discussing it here, we are being racist or xenophobic.
I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
to turn a serious issue into a racist rant would allow reasonable people to write off the issue and not do something to improve it.
I stated what I thought were some of the contributing factors as to why this is a problem in the Gulf. I wish we could address those issues and figure out a way to make the situation better.
I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
... why is it necessary in most of cases you find the smell of racism/gender issue?
can you ever, at least, with all due respect, try to be neutral?
i know you may say that you are, but, trust me, you dont sound always ....
PM..
you are not..but some are..
We are discussing why it seems to be so pervasive here, though, because we LIVE here. Leave it to you to turn it into a racist issue.
I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
..but, hei ! some ppl are posting their comments here as if female harrusmant never happens in western/african/other asian countries !
funny !
I think the issue is that in Qatar, the lower class, sexually predacious types mix in with the general population.
I have no doubt that the same sort of people exist, to a greater or lesser extent, in every country in the world.
However, in few other countries that I can think of would these sort of people frequent the same shopping centers and cinemas and carparks as 'decent' people.
In other, larger countries with larger populations, different people mix in different circles. Broadly speaking the 'decent' people socialize together, and the type of men we see in Qatar mix in a different part of town.
In my opinion, these sorts of guys represent a disproportionately large segment of the population in Qatar, which is the first part of the problem, and since there are only a handful of shopping centers, we are more likely to (unfortunately) cross paths with them.
Either it happens here more than in other countries, or we just see/experience it more here.
ask me "how much?" or try to block my way and drag me into their car or even follow me. I'm sure it happens but have never experienced the frequency of these kinds of incidents anywhere but in the Gulf, Abu.
I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
I do believe that Islam teaches us to have respect for women. It's just that some people have twisted things to allow them to subjugate and oppress women, which I believe goes against true Islam.
I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
you right PM but Islam refuse that and got rules about it and how to respect women when the Islam come the women got the 1st level of respect and how treat them right but who fallow this rules the Muslims are not the people who wrote in their birth papers are Muslims , the real Muslim who fallowing the rules AND we got good muslims here who refuse these things an am one of these Muslims
until you came in the thread and said real Qataris don't do this. I can tell you that I have been harassed by Qataris from some of the well-known families here. They are indeed Qataris -- not Yemenis, Sudanese or Saudis. That said, one should never take that to mean that all -- or even the majority of -- Qataris are like this.
It just means you shouldn't be generalizing and stating that no REAL Qatari would harass a woman. Sticking your head in the sand will never help.
Back to the topic, the point is that in Qatar, there seems to be a disproportionate amount of sexual harassment that takes place from my experience. I suspect that is because of 3 factors:
1) social and educational segregation that leads to males not knowing how to interact with females
2) A disproportionate number of bachelors here who go long times without seeing their wives and families
3) a belief that women are at fault by providing temptation to men (as supported by some twisted Muslim teachings)
I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
am with you but you shouldn't say Qataries just say the people in Qatar or the guys in Qatar thats what am talking about
hope so for your info what am trying to say is the people who wear thobe and the most think they are Qataries 30% from yemen 40% from Sudia 10% mix come on we are just 20% in thins country
would you believe me? Of course not! How can I speak for ALL Americans?
How can you speak for all Qataris?
I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
at least I am.
But you are also wrong to say that no Qatari does these things Faisal. I have a lot of respect for you but even you can see that you don't speak for all Qataris and that all Qataris are not perfect. I have personally experienced harassment by men that I know are Qataris. I have also been harassed by non-Qatari men.
Hope you understand that the issue is pervasive in Qatar and we should all work together to improve it.
I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
i didnt see thats happens in Doha a real Qatari wont do that even they cant look at your eyes but the problem is you will never know the Qatari and the some arabs wearing a Thobe as Qataries on of arab guy wearing a Qatari Thobe driving land cruiser doing this things or worse what am trying to say you never judge people even you are not sure they are Qatari the thread should be talking about the people in Qatar not just Qataries
You are comparing the extreme sadistic murder in one place with the more frequent sexual harassment here. The fact is that there are sick people everywhere and if you think that drugs, alcohol and kidnapping women don't happen here you are naive.
Wouldn't it be nicer to see Qatar improve and all these men who don't know how to behave around women learn to? Wouldn't it be great if men in Qatar didn't feel that it was okay to harass women, drag them into their cars or follow them in order to try to have sex with them?
We all play a role in improving the situation. We women have to speak out and call the police. And you men need to stop downplaying these cases and react as if every woman was your mother, sister, wife or daughter. Only then will it stop.
I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
Faisal.... but why we dont see them on the streets as often as we see them here??
As I said asking phone number is not a big preoblem....just read the whole thread..here they also drag modestly dressed woman to their cars ...here we dont see it in the newspaper becasue such cases are not favourable to the victim...thats the difference...
its happens every where at lest qatari guys are safer than the guys in Europe if he wants you he going to ask for the number or giving you his number but he wont kidnap you or force you to do it , in Europe he might kill you for that most of them under drags or alcohol what we have here is better
Maybe nobody tries to force a Qataria into their car because they know they will have the full force of the law against them; but they do indeed harass them, and many conservatively dressed women do face harassment (such as myself).
I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
CBD… no one said that they represent a typical Qatari...
Giving a phone no. or trying to talk to a girl is no big issue...but what I said above and forcing someone to enter his car..is really sick...
Yea women are subjected to many kind of insults all over...it could be from a male friend/bf ..a family member etc…that is nothing new...but from a total stranger is something really strange…
The question in this post is..."is this common in Qatar"?
We just answered that ….it is nothing new here...
Many people including me are experiencing it for the first time after coming here..
Its not about the country, its about the mindset or certain people....such men are present everywhere...but they are at least not so VISIBLE in other parts...
to the degree that it happens in the Gulf, from the experience who lived in the US most of my life and has traveled widely. I have never experienced the harassment anywhere that I have here in Qatar.
I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
to a kind of social ineptitude around the opposite sex that comes from the strict segregation of sexes in this culture. I find that many young men just don't know how to even talk to a woman and will often lead with something completely out of line and sleazy. As they mature, if they work with women and travel a bit, they change. This is not to say that ALL Arab men are like this, but certainly there are many. One thing to note is that I see this is not a problem in cases where boys have gone to school or university with girls.
Anyone trying to drag a woman into his car, is another matter completely though. These guys are animals and deserve to be locked up.
I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
I think that men behaving this way is appalling!!
They deserve to be dragged to jail, no two ways about it
If ladies want to avoid these kind of problems,they should take note of how conservatively dressed women don't have these kind of problems...
I am not saying that men are justified to act in this manner because a lady is dressed in which ever manner...
I think men should treat all women with respect regardless of how they dress
But given that there are a few perverts around, it is daft to attract unnecessary attention
atleast when they are going out somewhere on their own...
men are desperate everywhere? lol
if we showed no interest in wanting you, You would complain about that as well!
its nature for a man to want a woman, it is all about the hunt and the want to have and if it wasnt this way you women would be lonely and all single!
Western women, I guess, are used to guys giving them their number after going through at least a token amount of chit chat - you know the kind of thing... where are you from, what do you do, what are you doing today etc, before finally getting the whole 'call me' line.
Debauched western guys in the debauched west would never saunter up to a woman in a carpark and say 'how much?' or 'here's my number' as though the woman was a cheap whore the way guys do here in Qatar.
THANKYOU! I wanted to say the same, but didn't want to come accross as sexist :)
For crying out loud we are talking about guys trying to give you their phone numbers. They are asking you ladies for a date, not a god darn kidney.
We western women claim to be able to take care of ourselves and such and this is what we can whine over??
"Someone is looking at me and trying to give me their phone number!!!"
There are crazies all over who will take it a step further, not just in Qatar and not just in the Gulf or "region".
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
Cummon su....i will ask numbers...i have even got many numbers..lolz...99% ...they gave...1%..they dint...nd i just went...
see..this wot i think we shoudl do...
if u r blocking the way..telling them to sit in the car..kidnaping them...then..the police should b called
CBD,
It’s your opinion, mine is different but I am not here to impose it on you or on anybody else.
So we're cool and no need for any further discussion.
lusitano..
i am not asking why you discuss a Qatari issue- by all means please!
However, i don't see the connection between government, norms and culture to this sad incident (it has relation ofcourse but not to a level where someone can generalise)..
I must add that even the concept or fact of segregation term is adequately misunderstood among those who condemn it. men and women here mix and interact at work, market.
We don't necessarily need to adopt a certain standard especially when it is proven ineffective.
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I didnt do it!
and I'll not do it again!
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bleu,
That is a quick fix. Sure does not require much thought, education or change in the current Qatari society
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CBD,
If you read again what I wrote, you'll realize I never said that those guys represent typical Qatari guys. I never even mentioned their nationality!
As I said, the only reason we are debating the Qatari situation is because we are in Qatar.
Segregation has a negative connotation. It is anti-natura, generates frustration and doesn't allow males and females to learn from early ages, to coexist in the same space respecting each other, among other many things that you may be interested to find out if you ask a psychologist...
Societies do go through evolution process, I hope you will live to see that evolution in yours!
lusitano,
Using your logic, I have the solution.... Free prostitutes for every male once a week.
Trigger Factors????
no way its the attitude of the individual - people should be responsible for their actions - cant blame it on Qatar Gov.
and guys who stalk are not always single... some are sad married men. and some guys aren't constrained by social factors as you mentioned.
I had two pests a year ago...both were european.
I have never ever had problems with a Qatari....
Oh and as pitstop rightly said...wearing an abaya doesn't 'protect' you from this
Lustino - a tosser is just a tosser....
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lusitano..
Sorry but now it is clearer. However, i don't agree to your logic.
those guys don't represent a typical Qatari guy. There are many guys who don't do this!
Similarly around the globe, there are many bad guys who do such a thing while i don't generlise on that society.
man, if you think segregation contributes (which it may but not to the level you can generlise), then there are many who believe desegregation of sexes creates bigger problems!
CBD,
Sorry mate, i thought i did but here it goes again:
You asked:
"why do some people blame Qatar as a whole based on what they encounter??"
People blame Qatar, because they encounter these problems here in Qatar and the only ones who have the power to improve things - The Qatari Government - are not doing anything to improve the situation on the following two (of many others) trigger factors:
1 - Unbalanced number of males versus females;
2 - Complete segregation of genders.
If people encounter these problems else where, they will certainly complain there too. Don't take the exposure of areas for improvement, as personal. They are national problems that should be exposed and governments should act upon, here and everywhere they take place!
only two words for this guys..."xes maniacs"...thats it.....lol
lusitano..
you have not answered my question.
FS,
you said: "No one dare to ask 'how much' to a decently dressed woman...other than this region...Nothing is more insulting than that...."
maybe you are right, but does this mean no one insults ladies in another region than Qatar?
I have the same problem.. We could stalk each other.. You can have Monday and wednesday.
No one dare to ask 'how much' to a decently dressed woman...other than this region...Nothing is more insulting than that....
CBD,
I don't think it’s solely a Qatari problem.
As for the local media, we all know its value and influence power, in this region!
When I referred openly discussed, I was referring at government level – those who have (theoretically) the power to change things (by establishing and enforcing policies).
The fact that Qatari authorities choose to compose their society the way they choose (unbalanced number of males versus females and complete segregation of genders) might contribute for the problem.
lusitano..
i am sorry if you don't measure things well...
we discuss these sexual matters in newspapers, tv programs and elsewhere..
however, you are bringing a new issue..
my point is short and clear, why do some people blame Qatar as a whole based on what they encounter??
In other words: men in general are pigs!
CBD,
Maybe you are correct but in, what you call “the free liberated world”, problems are openly discussed aiming improvements, as in Muslim societies sexual behavior remains taboo and that is why improvement is compromised.
Is that so scary now for a pretty girl like me in Qatar :D
wish i had a stalker :(
lusitano...
worse still happens in the free liberated world!! while no restrictions apply!
Castrating restrictions imposed by Muslim societies, provokes the proliferation of such behavior in males!
why do you blame the society and culture and education system and way of getting married when this is individual act?
does this not happen everywhere else in the world?
it is worth noting how furious some people are about the way of life around here while they elect to spend some of thier "PRECIOUS" lifetime in such a society.
it seems that if you are;
western/european woman here no matter what is your size or age you are a goddess here
and if your asian youre like a delicious delicacy.
these guys are like hungry dogs.
i reported to the police one arab guy for sexual harrasment he spent one night in jail for the offense.
Shegoo.. that was creepy!!
And Razaz... look, it is not a good pick up line aproaching a woman out of nowhere and asking for her mobile... really, I can garantee you (well, I am talking as a western woman, ok?) you wont get any numbers.
Anyway, I can tell that time here is making me a lot more snappy and sharp on my responses to some situations. I dont think thats necessarily good, more like a self defense mode...
thats gud...thats wot he should do..
you are really right guys to think some men really are desperate. my experience was when I was pregnant with my second child. my house before was just walking distance from my son's school. when the weather permits I just walk to pick up my son. one time, on the way to school walking, a man dressed locally blocked me with his car. he was talking to me in arabic. I turned around hoping he will go away if he will see how big my tummy is. but he keep smirking and talking. I manage to go around his car. and go straight to my son's school. when I was inside, guess who I saw there? the same man picking up his daughter. it turns out that he's daughter is classmate of my son. I called him in front of the other parents to tell me why he was harassing me outside. he cannot even look at me and left in a hurry.
to su
hey listen ..dont think that if one malbari is an asshole..all r...nd all local guys r not of that type ..get it ?....soo su...dont tell to learn a lesson to local guys..nd u foolish gals...dont u keep a cell wid u..just remove ur mob..dail the police..they will see that..nd that is enough..they will run..better dont go to villagio
nd u gals dont go alone roaming around..this applys to even boys of age 13-16...gays also outside there..belive me..
nd if i like any gal that much..i would only go nd ask her number..nd if u dont wanna give ur number..say no..thats it ..the guywill go ..if he is decent like me...
nd su dont comment on noms character..ok !
loooooool. Now you ruined it for me! I had hope they weren't so intent on evil after all, just clueless and uneducated.
Lol, MissX I will add something in here... they arent looking for girls to marry ;), just practise.
In all respects this is the proper social skill here, as alien to us as it may seem.
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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
Ooh Amoud. You just enlightened me. I hadn't thought of it like that before, and was having trouble understanding the reasons some men do it.
Of course, how else are men who have no real contact with women, are probably not well educated, and have not been taught appropriate social skills in a courtship scenario supposed to find a woman to marry? I guess if I had no real idea how the typical "courtship" rules work, I would probably try and grab or trick someone into coming with me so I could try and convince them as well.
Thanks for that, I love finding out new perspectives.
This is the way of courtship I am afraid. As a lot of guys here generally dont hang out in clubs they use the mall parking lots as their stomping grounds.
Also, wearing an abaya doesnt protect you from any of it I am afraid. These guys are generally harmless and more annoying than dangerous. ____________________________________________________
"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"
Had a similar issue. Getting into my Pink KIA and this guy comes and blocks my exit.. I honked my horn and then got out and hit his car with my handbag. he scarpered pretty quick..
The regional culture of gender segregation and no dating, no physical contact between men and women, before marriage, does produce a lot of pervert behaviors.
This society produces a lot of desperation (unsatisfied sexual tension) in single people!
Either they hide their desires, hide their satisfaction, go overseas to release tension or they loose control and act desperately like the guy (aggressor) of this post.
It’s a fact and the sad thing it’s not dealt with by society or Government, it remains TABU and therefore more victims on both sides will arise every day!
As somebody put it here, in this aspect, it is (perhaps non-intentionally) a very hypocrite society!
well i really dont think it happens only in qatar.as som people comparing it with european countries .i think sexual harrassment is more common there if u will compare with qatar.and here security system is very good specially for girls.if they really want to complain against sombody police really acts very fast.that doesnt mean i am justfying the guys attitude.following som body is really pathetic.they r unable to differentiate between good and bad girls(sorry gurls but there r some gurls who loved to b followed)
for those guys i think if u like a girl u should just gently excuse and politely ask that he really impressed with her beauty so would she like to b friend.then if she is intersted then its ok otherwise just give a nice cute smile and say sorry 4 the trouble and should vanish from there.give women som respect even if u liked her or soo desperate to talk to her or watever.
WiNk and vicwin ... couldnt agree more with you....
And you are right... also where I come from these men are called pervs!
Mind you, they look really full of themselves when they are coming to their "bachelor pad" here at Ezdan, with their philipino girls... have seen it happening a few times. Including once when a "couple" got in the lift very early in the morning... and as soon as they got to the lobby he walked in front of her. Back to the same "I am such a catch" attittude.
So... synical and pathetic. Everytime I see them walking in with their young philipino girls, I feel like making a comment and I need to bite my tongue to stay quiet...
_noms_ ... it is time for you local guys start learning a thing or two about social skills and common manners.
Good looking girls these guys would offer things like that or taking numbers.... Coz I remember one of my colleagues at work told us she also experienced it... And my gosh, she looks like a gay (sorry...I'm just being honest).... I think as long as u are a woman w/ "v" they will be interested.... MyHotComments +
lo0o0ol.......oh come on
it will happend by the time u step ur feet in this country.....maybe u just not notice tht.
if u want to experience this thing, try to roaming around ramada junction area where alll the coffee beanery , starbucks, etc. and in villagio u should come around between 7 to 8 pm, there are alot of them in entrance specially near the starbucks entrance. :)
welll at first time u got scared and got annoyed by these people............but as the time goes by , u'll got used to it. happend several times myself whenever am out, even they followed me on the highway since my house is outside doha........which is very scary.
men here are pathetic, arrogant and act like a non educated..
actually i was thinking that way also.. if this is only happening here or was it because they are arab??
yeah nothing new... some men here are desperate :)
i even experience a guy asking for my father's number...
at first i ddn't get it...why of all people he would ask for my father's number not mine :) lol
but worst thing i've encounter is a guy shout at me coz i refused his offer to bring me home after work... then he also said "go to hill(hell)!!!!"... tsk tsk tsk... and he's a good looking guy...
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otherwise better ignore them and just head your way out.
Your option is to get any info about his car (plate no.) and the time of the day and report to the police.
even if you are dressed up to your hair line, those perverts would still be rude. that day i was followed, i was wearing some brown slacks with yellow blouse (with abstract prints). it was an office attire for god's sake.
usapa na...
hi, yeah i think its something most of them do, ive only been here 4 wks and im sick to death of being followed, asked for my number (even by one of the staff at virgin)and just generally bothered by these idiots. i wont tell you what i feel like saying to them but you can probably imagine. if i lived in the uk and someone treated me like this i would not put up with it. where i come from they call them perverts!!!
its old story..............all gurls KNOW this old tradition, all guys did this, for many reason but always the same ending.......SEX (mostly). but sometimes, some kido like to do tht just to show offf..........
if u go out on friday, lots of them are scattered around ramada area, villagio, and cc
I love you Grandma!! You look great at 66+.
FS: i was sure, that her profile is not what she is in real,,or, that guy wouldnt have stopped unless he missed his mother...lolzzz...
i still wrote that, in order to encourage su2009 to amend her profile so that i can see how beautiful is she.. ;)
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"Before God we are all equally wise ' and equally foolish" - Albert Einstein
That isn't always true. With the way some people wear their abaya, -- its a shame! I will just say that MEN, once they lack self respect and integrity - they won't give a rats bum what you're wearing - they will try to approach you in anyway they see easy.
get his car number, call the police... In addition, this guy really got nerves to do such act in a public and crowded place like villagio....
Do not give even a tiny reason for disrespect. This is why is always best to dress properly and do not show extra skin. This is an Islamic country. For all the ladies out there, try wearing Abaya and see if there is somebody going to stalk around you.
"Really, I wonder if this is the result of such "strict" sinical way people are raised here. But really, if this man was in europe or anywhere else... would he still behave like this? How freak, sick, pathetic is it????"
So you mean to say ! Such kind of acts dont happen in Europe ! The worst one can do here is ask your number, follow you a couple of streets. I am sure these guys will not even take the trouble to get out of their car. In Europe loads of crimes happen of all sorts where in Qatar trust me nothing actually happens if so 1 in 100 possibility.
correction they are not people, what would you call a living thing that is uncivilized, correct, an animal
hanging on Qatar. There is nothing to complain about.. It is the old story of lonely guys feeling superior than others, feeling that the only bad think that can happen is to be sent back home, which will not happen mostly because the victims are cheap girls from eastern asia or filthy EU whores... Go anywhere in the world where the expat population is significant and you will see the same things happening. And here at least you can ask for help on police. See how it works in Indonesia, Vietnam, some of the former soviet republics. Any Expat think all the women are for his use...
Don't blame Qatar for this. I have never met one Qatari able to do such things. (maybe I am lucky)
Lol mohan! But this is serious! Woman have had really bad experiences!
Su...I couldn't have said it better! I thought it was me, but have come to realise differntly! Couldnt agree with you more!!
starfaith...so sorry what happened! That is scary and Im glad you managed to get away!
Whatever you vividly imagine, Ardently desire, Sincerely believe and Enthusiastically act upon, Must inevitably come to pass.
who then complain and say "you must be mindful of the ways and customs of Qatar" and go down and gawk at women in bikinis.
The hyprocacy is astounding....and the old Qatar is gone.
its time for girls to tell stories come on vegas if you really hate this place you can get back home no body holdin you
rezymalik ....It happens to guys also ....like me for example
Last night when I was in villagio a hot chick in Rolls Royce car called me over and asked me my number.
When I refused ....she pulled me in...
...damn....thats when I woke up ....from my dream
I am not 66yo and even if I was, I dont think that would make any difference to the real MORONS...
Really, what a pathetic little hypocrit place this is....
And I just read a post about a pathetic looser complaining about girls in bikini!!!!! COME ON!!!!!
I tell you all. I came here thinking my impressions were just maybe prejudice based on what I have seen around... but now I realise things are a lot worse and sicker than people think.
I didnt think about calling the police, stupid I was. But I called my husband and he immediatelly drove to meet me home and make sure the a*****e wasnt around.
I have to say, maybe next time I see locals going to their "barchelor pad" here in the building with those young "female friends" in very little clothing... I would like to take a photo and post it here. Losers.
Its mostly happens with women's... i have heard the stories before also... if the opposite sex attracts each other... why it didn't happen to any man... no such stories have been told...!
sigh.. just yesterday while walking towards my accom not far from where i worked, a beige Mercedez had started following me until i had reached my house. he was still there 15 mins. after when i came out! when i passed by his parked car i told him "f&ck u!" that stopped him. (btw, he is a fair skinned arab guy.)
usapa na...
next time if such incident happens with you, just smile to him and show him your mobile saying
"Let me call Police and they will give you my mobile number and the time when can we both meet and have dinner/coffee"
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lolzzz, well you just have noted its number, called police and tell them the whole situation. Honestly, either he would have vanished or the police would have called him and might even file a case against him. IT'S THAT EASY.
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I'm also noticing such incidents in Major malls when a western dressed lady is being treated like this. My opinion is just note down their car's registeration number and give it to police. SIMPLE
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Just don't argue / mistreat them. Otherwise they might make ur life a "LIVING HELL"
rMs_000... what would you expect from a MORON? My name, surname, address and telephone?
I wonder what would happen if it was an expat woman doing it to a Qatari man????
i thought it was SEDUCTIVE......lol
sorry for hii JACK ....
for masking their deepest thoughts.
And as i have noticed from different stories, including one happened to my wife WITH the 3yrs CHILD with her, those individuals are not QATARi as many consider. Usually they are Egyptians, Lebanese or similar: good Arab speakers, dressed like local peoples, having a second hand Lancruiser or Prado, a position of handyman that allow them to crawl around and a very low human quality.
I suggest that the ladies that faces such events, to call the police (be sure that you have a witness)and file a claim against them.
PS: I don't want to start arguing again about races.... It is just a personal image I have achieved about that kind of man.
Rizks-- his love threads are 'addictive'... can u blame us???
***sorry for hijacking***
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Jimimadi has become the Talk of the TOWN....:(
lol! jackmohan.......
it could be him... we'll never know for sure... :D
As Su said - the "strict" sinical way people are raised - produces this kind of behaviour and forces them to police people when they are just living their lives, i.e, sun bathing on a bikini.
laurana, I'm sure guys this desparate aren't the ones complaining.
A friend of mine got followed in the car park of Villagio at lunch time the other day.....the guy was a married Egyptian...classy -NOT
learn some arabic
get out the mobile
take a photo
tell 'em you are going to call the police
see them run
Is this Jimimadi?....looking for "love"....in villagio carparks?
Maybe he should understand Villagio Carpark and Ramada Carpark are two different things.
Men are desperate everywhere.
I always wonder about those type of people. It seems like they don't quite have all their brain cells intact. But there they are driving in cars and living in Qatar, which means someone has reviewed their experience & I assume, interviewed them, and have given them a job.
How are you able to get a job and be a functioning member of society with thought processes like "I will block someone's car in a public area, I will ask them to get in my car, and they will oblige, and then I will have my very own woman"?
they are complaining about dress code.... bloody hypocrits!!!
Well mine is worse... got dragged inside the car and taken to some place but i managed to get out and got his plate number... we ended up at the police station... too bad he was only inside the holding cell for 2 hours... how desperate can these men get?
Few yrs back Someone banged my car intentionally ....when I stopped... he told not to call cops..he will get my car fixed...and give a replacement car and gave his card...I told No thx I have full insurance!!
First I thought he was sorry and tryin to help me for his mistake...to my surprise he told 'I banged your purposely just to talk to you!! Height of stupidity!!
A locked up dog will always be agressive than the one which is free and lazing around.
Seeing women all coverd in black with just the eyes seen , when they see a lady in her spagettis and trousers would be like watching a hard core porn to them.lol
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I find it sad that the men are so desperate in this country!
Whatever you vividly imagine, Ardently desire, Sincerely believe and Enthusiastically act upon, Must inevitably come to pass.
That happens all the time here.
A western friend of mine was walking from Carrefour to her car when a brave Qatari walked up to her and said:
"how much?".
Classy country.
why the heck u ddnt note that morons vehicle number???
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have my fair share of stalker that following me around, but not as bad as blocking your car.
You can't teach experience...
Nothing new gal... there are many such mornons here...
you will learn to ignore them after some time..
rMs..Noms...lol what you see on QL profile is not what you get in real!
There are some really strange "önes" here in Qatar. Was waiting for a taxi one day and had a guy pull up next to me. Was all nice at first, and asked if he could help me. When I said no, he got out his car and tried to pull me in!! I had my 2 yr old son with me!! Thanks to the shop owner, near my apartment. Came out and saw what was happening. Starting shouting at him and waving his arms. Chased the guy away for me. I now support the shop owner, as much as I can, with things I need!
Some weird things happen in Qatar!
Whatever you vividly imagine, Ardently desire, Sincerely believe and Enthusiastically act upon, Must inevitably come to pass.
If you noted his car plate number, you can still complain!
~noms~
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"Before God we are all equally wise ' and equally foolish" - Albert Einstein
Was he that desperate, ready to screw a 66 years & above GILF?!
ohhh..goodness!!! oh..maybe he was missing his mother..!! LOL
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"Before God we are all equally wise ' and equally foolish" - Albert Einstein
and call your hubby and the police after.
Why didn't you take his number and call the Police?
Asking for phone and following ladies car is an everyday duty of these a$$ holes but blocking your car for the same could be one of its kind.
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Nationality: Bouvet Island
Job Title: future teller
Gender: Female
Age: 66 and over
Which moron is that ???
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tEaCh Me RuLeS, i'Ll TeAcH hOw To BrEaK iT ..
rMs..!!