Is this taking sex equality too far ???
OK, so i might be vacationing in Malmo next, BUT isn't this taking PC too far ???????
Women in Malmö have been given the right to bathe topless in the swimming pools of Sweden's third largest city.
The final measure of the city's sports and recreation committee's that stated "everybody should wear bathing suits" at the local pool, though it does not specify that women must cover their breasts.
The Bara Bröst network - which translates both as 'bare breasts' and 'just breasts' - last year started its campaign for women to be allowed to swim without tops by stripping off at a pool in Uppsala. The protesters were ejected from the pool. Since then, campaigners have launched protest actions across the country, which have usually resulted in them being asked to leave.
The decision by the pool is the first real victory for the group, which has around 40 members.
The issue had been quite divisive for the city of Malmo, leading to political wranglings between the left and right, which ended with the issue being wiped off the agenda in April.
The city deemed it necessary to vote on after two years of controversy in Sweden over whether women should have to cover their breasts while bathing in community pools.
The Bara Bröst network swept to prominence in late 2007 after two bare-breasted young women were called ashore by a lifeguard at a swimming pool in Uppsala. When they refused to cover up, they were asked to leave the premises.
Speaking to The Local at the time, Ragnhild Karlsson, 22, explained the womens' motives for swimming without bikini tops.
"It's a question of equality. I think it's a problem that women are sexualized in this way. If women are forced to wear a top, shouldn't men also have to?"
Source: www.nowpublic.com
i wish you found a school and teach these poor ladies !
be humble
Perhaps it doesn't fall into the same category for you Brit, but for others it might be more important.
Well Brit, do you support a womans prerogative to show her ankles, or her face in public?
I think I'll step out of this now, because you're continuing to mix apples and oranges..
I will be there with you fighting for the rights of gays, jews, Blacks, Commies, pinkos to have equality in society. I don't believe that baring breasts in "public" or walking around naked in public falls into the same catregory..
Good point MissX, if the rights of the few didn't count, African Americans would still have to sit in the back of the bus, or not be allowed into certain restaurants or schools. Jews would still be banned from golf & yacht clubs, etc.
If the world didn't adapt when minorities pushed for change. We would still be living in world with slaves, where women were not allowed to show ankles, or allowed to have certain jobs or have the right to vote, along with black people, and racial discrimination would be rampant.
Oh........that world still sounds familiar.
Is that why we have ramps in public places for people with handicaps Brit? I didn't realize they were the many.
you wont understand the point.
be humble
Perhaps the word "offend" is wrong.
I have no problems with naked breasts in Private or a selected area where like minded people congregate... In fact i welcome them.
In a public place, where you are catering for the masses, they could cause offence, excitement, chaos, shame, embarrassment.
In a public place, the rights of the many, outweigh the rights of the very few.
Thank you MissX, that was the word I was looking for. :)
Gypsy, proselyting?
I feel like some people have limits to their introspection. I'm ask everyone who is reading this topic to think about what actually offends you about naked a breast in private and in public, and come up with an answer that isn't generated from an inherited belief system that states it is "wrong" arbitrarily.
This topic is about equal rights..
My opinion is that the laws and rights should be more balanced than equal, coz men and women are never equal they are just balanced
I dont think its good to be nude in the public, and i read lot of comments saying "if others doesnt like then let them dont look" and "let them lock themselves in their houses" and soo on.. was just wondering if she or whoever said, wanted to lock the whole public out there, who doesnt want to see indecency in public, just so as she can walk indecently in public.. ??
There is good and bad everywhere, which side you chose makes the difference
But we still voted for them, that's the system. These women worked within the system and for all intents & purposes they had the majority vote. There's no polls or stats to say they didn't.
You know reality as well as I do..
Many MP's , once elected become demigods, or tow the party line till they are voted out :)
In a representational system Brit, your MP speaks for you, if you don't want an MP who's part of the PC Brigade then don't elect him, the fact that there were that many members of the PC Brigade in the parliment means that, yes, the majority DO suppost the issue.
I think breast feeding should be allowed in public, if carried out discreetly..However,you are missing the point I am trying to make.. I said that if a majority agreed , then i would go along ..
In my opinion, this minority has pushed the PC brigade into making a decision without taking the wishes of the majority into account..
It seems a little dramatic to have a referendum, and frankly if they did that in Canada there would be on outcry about the waste of tax payer dollars over so inconsequential an issue. There's nothing in the article to say that the majority were against women bareing their boobs at a public pool (especially since they already have the right to do so at public beaches)all it says was that the group LOBBYING was only 40 people strong, that doesn't mean more women didn't want it. Also, when it went to a vote the government voted in favour, which means since an MP or house representative is supposed to speak for his/her riding, that the majority of Sweden WAS ok with it.
lolxxxxx.. nice read..!
So you're ok with allowing public displays of affection between gays & straights (ie: them making out in public) then you are with bareing a pair of boobies at a public pool (where previously they had only been covered by a thin piece of clothe anyway). What would you say about women being allowed to breast feed in public?
Thank you. this was the point i was trying to make..
This is more to do with societies norms and bounds of decency in a PUBLIC place. I personaly believe that in this case, it would have been better to have a referendum. If the majority agreed, then I would have np problems with it..
But whats the difference between a gay pride parade, scientologists trying to recruit people (theres a word that start with P that I want to use, but I've only have one cup of coffee today and can't spell it to save my life) and some woman wanting to bare their boobies. To the people who care ALL of these things are morally offensive.
If 80 Tom cruise followers wanted to build a church here , i would support them. If a small number of gays wanted a parade , I would support them, but baring your boobies in a "public" place without taking the views of the majority into account, I would not support...
Not really, we're talking about protecting human rights as based in a countries constitution, my guess is that there complaint has a foundation in the Swedish constitution.
I was more addressing your point of the "majority" calling the shots. It's not really true. A minority of people are disabled,yet in many countries we now have firm laws in place to help and protect them. Ditto the rights of single Moms, common-law marriages, gays & any minorities really.
You little Minx.. You know that they are two different issues..
Sometimes you HAVE to cater to the minority Brit as they deserve to have their rights protected as well. What if it was 80 people asking to have a mosque built, or the right to work Ramadan hours, or have their Eid vacations, would you say no to them?
The Michael Phelps swimming controversy involving the buoyancy-enhancing, friction reducing polyurethane swimsuit worn by German swimmer Paul Biedermann could ultimately lead to full nudity in competitive swimming.
AL FA Q
A valid point - If there is "enough of a calling"..
In this case, the whole movement consists of 80 ladies..
I would argue that sometimes our governments go for political correctness and playing to the minorities than catering for the majority..
But that's exactly my point Brit. Societies norms and rules change depending on what the people want. There is obviously enough of a calling for it, for governments to consider it. It doesn't always have to be the majority pushing for it, for a rule to change. They take into consideration the amount of people who are for it, and the consequences of it. No matter how many times people say they are offended by something, does not actually make it a harmful act.
In conservative India we have nude male yogis parading in full glory in the narrow bylanes near ganges. On certain occassion around thousands of them. Nobody bothers them though - not even the government !!! Much ado......
"Like me, she is saying give people the option if they want to. "
You are missing one basic point.. Society has norms and rules.. Whether we like them or not, they are usually determined by the majority. If a majority later feels strongly enough , they are modified.
i also dont support if anyone insult you or your mom coz you expressed your opinion. that's unfortunate.
be humble
Well if there's a call for it, then why not? At the moment there's barely any mass interest in going completely nude, and those that do, seem satisfied with nudist colonys. You don't seem to understand, that what is strange to us now, might not be so strange 100 years from now. Just as what we wear today is completely alien to those 100 years ago and so forth. Change happens when enough people want it to. It's nothing to be scared of.
in that case... why stop at topless...?
let make it bottomless as well...
LF, at no point did Gypsy say that people SHOULD present themselves around each other topless. Like me, she is saying give people the option if they want to. The point we're trying to make is to stop enforcing your own dress code on other people. You and your family may still continue to wear what you deem appropriate, but let others live their own lives as well.
no nudity in public places pls...
first we start with swimming pool
that's a place kids hang around...
where next?
Football matches
School gyms...
Restaurants...
there really would be no end to it...
Besides... its a safety hazard...
imagine the number of road accidents it would cause :-)
no nudity in public places pls...
first we start with swimming pool
that's a place kids hang around...
where next?
Football matches
School gyms...
Restaurants...
there really would be no end to it...
Its a safety hazard...
imagine the number of road accidents it would cause :-)
Personally, i don't think it was right for you to mention matters from within your family!
Hey Maa look at me....what no one wants to see....much too young to focus but too old to see!
I only used the instances of your upbringing and your very mention of the way humans shud present themselves around each other.
I had no intention to attack or insult anyone in any manner. The topic itself is of that nature to drive someone nuts on someone's comments.
Hey Maa look at me....what no one wants to see....much too young to focus but too old to see!
Gypsy, I dont have any problem with. I dont hate you or anybody.
Truly if u ask me, i should say I love you. not only you all ppl in the world. I love all westerner. I love all human beings. thats'y I want to save you all ppl from the HELL.
before making any decision from your own side, just read the Islamic books. being a human u can make a mistake. if you want to be sure it is mistake or not, please read Quran to understand correctly.
dont insult each other and dont take the matter personnel. this is an open discussion.
So because I have a different opinion then you, you think that gives your the right to insult me AND my mother?
I think that speaks more about your poor upbringing then mine.
Just because a wacho lady expresses her bizarre thoughts to parade nude around her children, have swinger's party and do things contradicting to human instinct, doesn't mean we have to defend and argue for as long as 4 pages!
As Gypsy said, she had been exposed to the same environment by her mom. I doubt if someone still has questions as to why Gypsy thinks that way!
Gypsy is a girl and she used to see her mom's assets which doesn't mean anything to her sexually. Her thoughts cud've been different if she wud've been exposed to seeing her dad's assets. A she said, her brothers were not subjected to same scenes when they grew up!....may i ask why?
I've known from some sources that among animals too, a very large majority of them don't allow "outsiders" to wander around their own mates! A pig i suppose is the only animal to allow it's mate to be screwed publicly by other fellow pigs. Are we down to the levels of a pig??
Cavemen did initially live naked but as they evolved, they felt the need to cover themselves up. This again was a human instinct!
Your thoughts can't change the world. A child is not given a knife to play with and they ain't exposed to sexuality at a tender age, else the outcome is Gypsy and the Swedish people!
At the end of days, mankind's "humane" instincts will be so bizarre that they wud even follow a lizard right into its hole!!
Hey Maa look at me....what no one wants to see....much
too young to focus but too old to see!
A NUDIST'S pile of abandoned beach clothes sparked a full scale emergency alert after rescuers feared she'd drowned.
Worried tourists spotted the garments and called in the emergency services who scrambled a HELICOPTER and sent in TWENTY-FIVE rescue workers.
They swept the coast for THREE HOURS looking for the woman in Furstenfeldbruck, Germany.
But naked Karen Drechsler had just wandered off to another part of the beach.
When she spotted a chopper circling overhead she was too embarrassed to return for her clothes.
A rescue worker said: "She saw all the police, the coastguard and the helicopter and she thought someone must be in trouble. She didn't imagine they were looking for her.
"She wanted to wait until they'd all gone before she retrieved her clothes. But the longer she waited, the more police arrived."
The Sun
If a child asking a knife to play do u give him? off course not. the same thing i doing here in QL. I m trying you not to take a knife. this knife with you are playing will be very harmful for you and for others.
nothing is frightening me my fare lady!
and actually you wanted to end your conversation on this but how u can say that! if u say it means u have accepted that u were wrong! thatsy u said "I must end our conversation".
Look, I'm sorry my opinions frighten you, but at this point you've stopped making sense and seem incapable of having a rational conversation. You're obviously biased against the West, and I'm not going to change that on QL. So with that I must end our conversation. Good luck being so hateful, I'm sure it will get you far in life.
it was also unfortunate that the lady lost her life?
it was also unfortunate that the son lost her mother?
it was also unfortunate that the husband was shoot by the police officer and he is still in danger?
it was also unfortunate that the family and relatives of them they have become in this situation.
how many times u ppl put blame on unfortunate? if this unfortunate is the key role of your life and laws then accept it u r the most racist in the world!
I'm not defending them at all. I don't agee with the laws banning religious icongraphy in public places, I believe people should be allowed to wear what they want.
I highly doubt that they "enjoyed" the situation. I would like to see what you would have done in that courtroom, I for one can't say that I wouldn't have been too shocked to move.
Westerners are killed here all the time, through driving accidents and even murder. It's only called terrorism when it IS an actual act of terrorism.
Get your facts straight before you just start spouting off conjecture.
I know u did not make their laws, but u r defending them!
and what u are talking about! the lady was attacked 18 times by a knife in a court room and all those lawyers and judges and security ppl were just enjoying the situation! and you are saying they were on her side?
if muslim is being killed in west it is unfortunate and if western killed in middle east it is terrorism?
Because father/daughter relationships like that are usually the result of abuse. It's questionable if the daughter is truley making the decision of if she's being forced by her father.
mental health coming?
be humble
No, because
A) There's the chance they might have a child and the child would have health issues.
B) I would highly question the mental health of either of these individuals and I think they should be urged to seek psychiatric help.
No, because
A) There's the chance they might have a child and the child would have health issues.
B) I would highly question the mental health of either of these individuals and I think they should be urged to seek psychiatric help.
if a daughter wants to have sex with her own father mutually, and the father also wants, should they be allowed to do that?
yes, or no? and why?
be humble
Keep in mind as well that the people you talk about that don't want to give you the freedom to dress or pray as you want to are the one's who think like YOU, not the ones who think like me. You have more in common with the man who killed Marwa then you think.
All Western countries allow women to wear hijab and Muslim dress, there is only a partial ban on wearing religious symbols in government run place in France & Germany.
What happened to the Egyptian lady was an unfortunate isolated incident and until he killed her she was WINNING her case, so the lawyers and judges were on her side, could I take someone to court for using hateful language to me here? Her crime was an unfortunate hate crime by a SINGLE man who wasn't willing to allow others the right to live their lives as they see fit (like you).
In regards to the cartoons you're talking about two different countries, with two different sets of freedom of speech laws. I don't agree that anyone should be jailed for speaking their mind, but unfortunately I don't make the laws in France.
This is exactly why I keep arguing that Western and especially Canadian women should not be allowed in Qatar..
salman !
be humble
you want to be naked in public and if someone wearing hijab in west you kill them!!!! it is fare.
you want to wear dresses as per your country's freedom in middle east but you do not allow others to wear muslim cultural dress in your country.
Western ppl make cartoons (naaozbillah) on Prophet (PBUH) saying that is their freedom and press rights and when in France a cartoonist make cartoon for the present President he was jailed! where your freedom goes my fare lady?
a women should respect how to be a women.
it is your wrong understating that they will come for my rights! I want to ask you when a Egyptian lady was killed in court room in Germany in the beginning of this month who came to help her? who came to fight for her rights??????
can u tell me my fare lady?
End of discussion from my end.
Isn't that between them QL? If that's the case should we not get married at all since that could eventually lead to a couple disrespecting each other? Maybe we shouldn't speak at all, because that might lead to a fight?
If you can empathize you'll be able to imagine that wife-swapping is a self-destruction practice. Those who do it actually surrender to a temporary instinctive behaviour that will lead them to eventually disrespect each other. Very distrurbing and disgusting.
Please grow up and be more sensible! Life is larger than your nose!
Yes, I think if two people want to "swap wives" in the privacy of their homes, yes, it doesn't harm anyone.
I also believe people should be allowed to practice their religions freely.
I actually don't care too much for my own freedom or myself because if I did then I wouldn't care if people could practice their religions or swap wives because I don't do either.
I haven't decided at all whats good and bad, I look at a situation and I see if it hurts others, I apply reason and empathy.
It's you whose decided that A) wife swapping is bad B) Nudity is bad C) homosexuals are bad D) captial punishment is good etc.
So everything you just accused me of is everything you're doing.
At the end of the day, those people (wife swappers, nudists, homosexuals) that you hate so much would be the first people to stand up for your rights to practice your religion and your beliefs freely, and you would see them shot. So if bigotry & prejudice is your definition of human, then yes, I'm glad to be an animal.
1) first u did not have any reason you accepted u are animal. then u realized u made a mistake so u suddenly changed ur words.
2) you have empathy?
saying u believe in wife swapping, does not believe in religion etc.
3) you want to understand others and want to be good to them? amazing!
you only think about yourself, you only have ur life, if it effects others, u dont care. u only care for your freedom and not for others. you have decided what is good and what is bad and you want to implement the same to others. now you are saying you want to understand others? LOL
All the characteristics you have showed in urself, it reflects the biography of animal. and not me.
What answer, there was no question? I was simply reflecting further on what differentiates "humans" from other animals, and the one thing I came up with was empathy, or the ability to try and understand others and to be good to them. Animals don't have that, humans do, unfortunately in some people (like yourself) the desire to be good to others is sorely lacking. Which means that you're a lot more like an animal then you think (which is an insult to animals)
What answer, there was no question? I was simply reflecting further on what differentiates "humans" from other animals, and the one thing I came up with was empathy, or the ability to try and understand others and to be good to them. Animals don't have that, humans do, unfortunately in some people (like yourself) the desire to be good to others is sorely lacking. Which means that you're a lot more like an animal then you think (which is an insult to animals)
if you dont have the answer you change your statements. very good! you deserve for changing words and hiding the truth after accepting.
you came to do that...........
Double Post
Actually I would say you're the animal. Animals have no empathy for other animals, they don't try to understand how other animals think and if another animal thats not like them comes near there first instinct is to attack.
All things you and those like you do.
No, Al hamdolillah I am human.
y did you come to Qatar, you should to jungle. and live in jungle one day. you will get to understand who are animal.
I think we must be Camels, because we keep getting the "hump" with each other.
Yes. We're all animals salman.
as per your philosophy, you are animal. as you said you are happy and living in peace.
Sure there is. Humans walk on two legs and live in big buildings and have technology and are slowly destroying the planet with poison, pollution and war. Animals live in peace and are happy.
Gypsy, then on this point, there is no difference between animal and human?
Ok After religion ...
Another topic I would like to get banned is Women.
Whatever they do.. or don.. or wear or not wear.. makes news.. W T F...
You people are so racist ... No men oriented ones are hit forums.????
Men should have been writing more in this one.. its all chicks discussin this ...
Women.. show them if tht makes you feel more beautiful..
And no if you think you look better covered up...
Oh hell..m enjoying ...........GO on gals....
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Man created religion ..not GOD... get over it guys...- FS
have something better to talk about :/
RATHER than cursing each others culture and religion
I wife swap always???
The thing about "wife swapping" salman is that it's something couples do because they BOTH agree to do it, so if a man doesn't want to get involved in "wife swapping" then he doesn't have to. If he does want to do that then I'm sure he is happy that his wife is into it.
As for the child, if you raise them without the idea that sex is wrong and immoral, then the child shouldn't mind anymore then a child minds that his/her parents have sex at all.
I am sorry for that Gypsy, I did not mean to hurt you, i thought you are married.
but my question on the basis of this discussion is that, do you think a man will be happy to see his wife believing on wife swapping or a child who know about her mother she does that or she has done before?
dont avoid this question, as you do it always?
People have different definitions of good and bad salman. I believe that many of your beliefs are bad, and I find many of them morally reprehensible and downright disgusting.
Also I'm not married and I don't have any kids.
gypsy, you have made the boundaries yourself for sense and nonsense. very good!
if you dont want to understand then dont! but please dont make this middel east or any other societies in the same path.
those who are not capable to understand and differentiate between good and bad, unfortunately they will follow your philosophy.
one more question Gypsy, your husband and your children knows you believe in wife swapping as you said before?
LOOOOL How is that the perfect reply it doesn't even make sense!?!? And like MissX said, just cause they aren't YOUR values doesn't make them any less moral.
looool the perfect reply to Gypsy not having a problem with women going topless is that "everyone in Sweden has already seen each others private parts. everybody has had sex with different ppl from the schooling" and that "there is no moral values"??
haha methinks you should go visit some other countries. I feel dumber just reading that.
Btw the way people. Just because they are not YOUR moral values, doesn't actually make them immoral. It only does to you.
...this one...hmmm
Very good! Gypsy is right. There should be topless beach everywhere and women who want to be naked should be allowed to do so. And men should be allowed to watch.
norway or denmark is quite similar to sweden... why dont you plan for all?
lol
be humble
my next vaccation will be in sweden:D
well said man ! perfect reply to gyps i must say !
:)
i totally agree with you, totally.
be humble
"We the shameless women nothing to Hide" so we go topless.
Gypsy, you know y Sweden has permitted now why not before? because now in sweden mostly ppl have seen each others private parts. everybody has had sex with different ppl from the schooling. nothing is to be hide coz there is no moral values and nobody especially girls are avoiding sex. then after they reached to this point to make it permitted.
if you see someone naked at first for sure you will feel something to do but if you have been seeing naked everybody like father, mother, sister, daughter, son, and street ppl and having sex all the time with everybody so definitely it will be nothing for you.
why topless even bottem less also fine, you just try in front of Toyoto Signal today 5 pm we are there for that show.
"Helping HANDS r better than praying LIPS"
Not sure how. In Sweden it's socially acceptable for a woman to bear her breasts, there is an organized group calling for it, it doesn't hurt anyone, there's no hygene issue, so it should be allowed.
There is no group calling for sex in public, nobody wants it and its potentially hurtful because there's the issue of biological fluids spreading disease.
I'm pretty sure I'm not being contradictory in the slightest.
regarding breasts and nakedness (as i assumed)
be humble
Social mores, stemming from religious & societal values. These will probably change in time, but the biggest thing preventing it is the issue of biological fluids in public. icky.
why not accepetable?
be humble
No I didn't I told you why it shouldn't be legal.
my fair lady, you avoided the questions.
:)
be humble
No it shouldn't because
A) It's not sanitary (who wants to sit there afterwards eewwww)
B) At this point in time it's not acceptable AND nobody is asking for it (ie there's no organized group, or at least not a big enough one to make a difference).
ok, now, its not legally ok, fine....
but, what do you think, should it be ok legally? why or why not?
be humble
It isn't legally ok. It isn't sanitary.
if a naked lady is peeing in a designated pot on the street (if law allows), while you are reading 'pride and prejudice' in a bench near the street?
(i seriously want to know your opinion about it).
be humble
a couple are having sex in front of Mcdonalds while you are having burger with your kids? (given that that is legally ok).
be humble
You mean at like a sex club, or a group in the privacy of their own home? Ya sure, why not.
do you support if a couple have sex infron of others, if society allows?
i want to know...
be humble
Depends in what way. I don't believe in having sex in public for sanitary reasons.
And I said, most adopted children these days would know if they have sibilings due to records, and if they were going to sleep with a random girl/boy at a bar keeping their last name wouldn't matter anyway since the chances of them having the same last name are pretty slim as well.
you dont mind public nudity, wife swap (if all parties agreed)...
do you think sex is private?
what else do you think should be ok, btw? i want to know !
:)
be humble
DNA once again..
OK..When I say 'marrying their own sisters' I also mean 'sleeping with their own sisters' whom they meet in a bar, in a trip abroad, in a party, in college, and the possibilities are endless when a DNA test isn't handy.
That's what DNA testing is for. And I would not say extra marital affair are "tolerated" at least no more tolerated then they ever have been.
If it's isolated then the chances are small (though not less grave) but add to it when extra-marital affairs are 'tolerated'.. I can only imagine this leading to chaos.
No, but adoptions these day aren't just grabbing a random kid from an orphanage. There's records, permits, etc. The chances of this happening are so tiny as to be nearly immpossible (I won't say completely because I'm sure it's happened once or twice before).
Just keeping the childs last name wouldnt' be enough anyway, I know from my adopted younger brother that his two biological half sisters have different last names.
There is a wonderful story about the same in a book called Short Stories - Guy De Maupassant.Its about a sailor who end up marrying his own sister...
That's before marriage. But is blood test mandatory every time someone goes with someone new? They might get pregnant you know?
Adoption doesn't quite work that way QL. There's quite a few systems in place to keep that from happening, not to mention mandatory blood tests before the marriage.
That's great.. No argument about that.. In fact the Prophet said that the mose benevolent home is where an orphan is being treated well.
But when you say he's your son then he may marry his own biological sister unknowingly simply because their names are different.
Hells no. But she did when they were kids. Moms a bit conservative though.
Gypsy will she do it in front of your grown up brothers?
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Forgery?? The whole point is to give the child a home and a family.
Raising an orphan among our children that would be great as long as s/he's not known to be my or my husband's son. This is forgery.
My Mom goes topless around me all the time...what does that matter? :S
And please don't tell me that you're against adoption to QL!
Its all very PC..
Gypsy has nailed her colours to the mast - good for her.. BUT
Leaving aside the discussion, how many of you actually go topless in public plaes or would do so in front of their children ?
Parenthood is another major issue of this chaos. Didn't Prophet Muhammed say that in the end of time ppl will end up marrying their own sisters? :)
Adoption, extra-marital affairs will only get kinship to be all mixed up.
Alpha-Wolf..
It's the context that compensates for the lack of sense of sensitivity.
Well I can see the desire to have the lower bits covered...that's just hygenic.
If your wife and the other woman (threesome) always are bare breasted, why would you want one more than the other?? You see them all the time. Makes no sense that bare breasts leads to threesomes...
Covering them makes them the "forbidden fruit" - not exposing them!!
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But why were women covering their breats in the first place. If it's coz of weather its ok. If it's just for something else then it's not required. The concept of hiding the privates is archaic and has to be shed off gradually.
those sick people have learnt just one thing 'its my life'....
they dont have any moral, any value ... coz their parents didn't teach them....
do they really know who their actual parents are at all, btw?
lol
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To each his own. I see nothing wrong with wife swaping or threesomes as long as everyones in agreement.
Ok.. if 'strange' isn't bad enough to you, I'll say they'll resort to 'sick, immoral' practices; wife swap, threesome, etc. Still not bad enough?!
i am quite impressed by your comment and i fully agree with you .... well said...
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Germans and sex... a heady mixture :)
I think the German predelections towards "strange" sex has more to do with their otherwise highly reserved natures. Similar to the Japanese. When they do let the reserve drop they go a bit mad. Like Saudi's when they get out of Saudi.
I don't think it's a simple as getting aroused when you see a naked body at all. People have lived for generations completely nude, and don't think anything of it. You do not automatically get aroused at naked bodies unless your own mind is conditioned to take you there. It can be unconditioned.
And to the people who said walking around nude leads to strange sex practices. So what if it does? Strange is the term that we give to something that doesn't happen very often. There doesn't mean there's actually any harm in it. And if you note, "doggy style" (sorry didnt know a more pc term), which can be actually considered a form of deviant sex by some religions, is actually our bodies most compatible position for having sex, just like it is for animals who have anatomy in similar positions.
if people start walking around nude it opens up the door to a number of things. one of them is being increased sexual harasses from both sexes. and i don't mean rape or anything. but things like groping and crude things being said. now people say well after a while people will just get use to it. but the fact of the matter is being naked is just part of sex. it's something that is natural. it doesn't have anything to do with society setting standards. when you see a naked body that you like you get aroused. it's as simple as that.
even cave men would wear something on their bodies. even if it was a dead animal they would cover themselves.
I like mangoes and melons.
Don't you think this will cause a sense of insensivity leading to the weird sexual practices I mentioned earlier in this thread?
I can use that analogy.
If everyone along the street put their tv outside their house on the same channel, do you think people would bother stopping at just the 1 tv anymore?
If you don't want people to watch your TV why would you put it outside the house?? Your analogy makes no sense.
Gypsy, If someone keep their TV outside of the gate and turn it on then whoever goes or pass by they will watch and may be they will stay their for a long time and there would be rush. which makes TV owner and his family uncomfortable. then after the owner of the TV come out and shout to the ppl not to rush there.
I want to ask whose mistake is this? the owner of the TV of those who were watching TV?
I agree with Brit, topless women should not be allowed in public places.
we are audience.
:)
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It's the same as the case in Canada, technically it's there constiutional right and it doesn't harm anyone, so why not.
Believe me, I've been there :)
What's fascinating is Bara Bröst only has around 40 members, yet they've managed to pull off this victory..
Is this a case of a minority imposing its standards on a majority ?
Well Brit, I'd suggest that you don't go to a public swimming pool in Sweden. Although honestly, while it's shocking at first, you do get used to seeing it until you don't even notice it anymore.
I think even my thong would be out of place with those Scandanavians :(
As far as the topic is concerned, I personaly feel that this should not be allowed in a public place. Not because I'm a prude, but I feel that this sort of thing is more suited to a place where 'like minded people hangout' (pardon the pun) and not a public swimming pool.
Genitals swinging free left and right and bare boobs jerking up and down. Some sight could not be stand. The eye curtain have been withdrawn. So where is the snake that tells you to eat the apple.
Just curious fluffy123, what harm does public nudity cause, that isn't a result of society telling us it should be kept private?
swed women would ask for the legality for doing adultery........ shameless creatures.... all they are doing to justify their emptyness... poor fellas.....
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alexa dont run far out to ur imagination
save some for the first night or gf or wife
but if u already had one don't continue for the same.
don't let imaganation overcome your thaughts for it will make u less practical
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where does this nonsense stop? pretty soon people will just be allowed to walk down the street naked. not all boundaries is a bad thing. Sometimes boundaries are a good a thing. I think a woman running around topless is a bit much.
i mean at this point what's stopping people from now saying they have a right walk around with their genitals out and that's only society that over sexualizes genitals.
why being topless? its coz of inferiority......
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Go girls go....after all its a good cause.....lol
May I ask all the guys to step aside please, as Abu Hinted...lol
some western country consider the women as cheap toys and take the example of the red road in Amesterdam.
bulging bellies of the guys and drooping (.)(.) of the gals are equally reprehensible.
gyps can i as u something
do u eat prok?
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Sweden, like many other European countries, are more socially acceptable to women's breasts. They are viewed not ONLY as a sexual object(as they are in most parts of the world, but as breasts...a body part. I've been on beaches where some European women wrap a towel around their waist to cover their lower parts and just take the top off and change clothes in front of others. It was no big deal. I, as an American, am more shocked by that behaviour but understand that its totally acceptable in certain parts of the world.
I believe in the RIGHT to allow toplessness if that country/city wishes to allow it. Its not a sogn of immorality, just different way of thinking.
QL..you said, "There have been nudity and porn movies and playboy magazines for decades yet the rate of rape is still high." What is not understood is that these kinds of things (except the nudity part) is what can CAUSE minds to go into a rapist mode. The portray women in unnatural circumstances and as sex objects ONLY. That creates such a bad image for men, both young and old.
If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you; that is the main difference between a dog and man.
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In Euroupe there are special gardens for naked people.
What do you thing about this:
-We believe that human can not live without freedome.
-Freedome is thing which makes us human.
-Freedome without limits causes chaos.
-Chaos destroys communities.
-Freedome limits is others rights
So if you want to do something which some people do not like do one of the following:
1. Go to place where there same people like you
2. Do it so that no one sees you.
3. Do not do it at all.
At the end if you come from an evironment where f**King each other is normal you will see it normal.
But really can you accept your child to be in environment where the men are having relation with each other or do you accept it for your daughter to be environment where women are having s*x with women.
Do you like your girl friend to have an affair with your father?
Do you like boy friend to have an affair with your mother?
You are the one who choose to live in a life full respect or life like a shit where there are nothing good or bad.
Do you think that those who study and work hard to help in their country development are the same as those who do not study and do not work?
A mother which raises her children properly, is she the same as mother who knows nothing about her children? (The same applies for the fathers).
Use your common sense and remember if you do something bad you will pay more and you will be the biggest looser in terms honesty and image infront of people.
LOL, nothing to do with my mood salman, I just can't possibly close my mind so small as to understand you.
Guys, gypsy is not in a mood to understand. and since she is Philosopher Extraordinaire as mentioned in her profile, she will never accept. she will raise another philosophy on this issue.
better to stop the conversation.
Your talking about manners and politeness. There are places where you wear clothes and there are places you don't have to. I wouldn't say the "F" word in my place of work, just like I wouldnt' go naked to work, but I would say the "F" word on the beach, just like I'd go topless on a beach.
decency doesn't include ONLY clothing ! it includes every aspect of common social values ! that's why you just can't say 'f.uc.k', in a decent place, right? lol
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Amazing, normally in real life i have noticed, men want women to showoff their hidden things. but here we all men trying to convince a lady to cover herself but she does not. Amazing.
where the world is going on.
Haven't you been to the Hot Springs?
let's agree to disagree.. i have been to Japan and I can't see the locals allowing a young bare breasted lady to wander around in public..
So it seems my timing is always off....
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Brit where I've been nudity has been the norm and completely acceptable. Whether it be the beach in Cuba, a hot spring in Korea or Japan or a mardi gras party, nobody seems bothered.
You know what I do when I see someone naked that I don't want to see? I look away.
I am sure you are a nice person.. However, by the deed of exposing yourself , you may be going against the norms / values of others and thus NOT treating others well..
DP
Society hasn't existed for a hundred thousand years. In fact Homo Sapiens have only been around for about 50,000 and probably only wearing clothes for...5000 maybe. Why does "decency" have to be related to clothing? Why cant' it be related to our deeds, or how we treat others.
I value myself, not because I'm wearing a shirt, but because I'm a nice person who treats others well.
hundred thousand people over hundred thousand years perceived that there should be something in human's mind apart from protection & warmth.... decency is one of those !
have you read about maslow's hierarchy?
5 slabs of human needs?
basic, security, social, self esteem, self actualizatoin?
decency is under self esteem needs my dear lady !
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Don't want to understand what?? I persume men originally started covering it to protect it, which was the original purpose of clothing, protection & warmth.
you dont want to understand.
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animals are better than human beings..there are some animals that hide wen they make love....People play with natural laws and vice versa
No, Alpha, they only do it when they want it!
I keep asking them but they generally don't oblige me!! Hahaha
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I don't know...cause he doesn't want it to get caught on anything??
You can't compare breasts with the man's sexual organ. Women have their own, too, just in case you didn't know. And nobody asked them to uncover it.
I like clothes, and normally I like to cover my jiggly bits (like now). Also it gets cold in Canada.
you dont belive in decency.... do you?
why a man should cover his penis? if you can answer, then you will understand why a woman should cover her breasts......
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why do you wear clothes at all when you are not forced by law in places where nudity is allowed?
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The breast of a women are milk giving tabs. That's the genuine purpose. You don't cover your tabs in the kitchen, or?
It is about your RIGHT to do it.
You probably wouldn't stand on your head and make funny faces in the middle of a shopping mall either, but you wouldn't get fined or go to jail for doing so.
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I'll add an element of realism into this then Brit. I have no problem going topless at beaches, and often do. The only reason I don't walk down the street topless, is because it is the path of least resistance not to. When there are people who so blatantly judge people on how much skin they expose, it is a lot easier to just not provoke them. If someone were to walk down a public street topless, I would admire them for their courage to do so.
Brit thats called double standards...
I wouldn't at the moment no. I've put on a few pounds and while my breasts look great at the moment my belly is a little flabby :( but I have gone topless before and bared my boobies on a public street, and I'd do it again.
I am always reminded of a conversation with a colleague who espoused the great things about The Taliban. I asked him whether he would take his family and live amongst them He answer was a flat "NO".
Similarly, we have ladies arguing about the right to bare breasts, yet not many would actually do so in public..
Let's try and keep the discussion realistic...:)
Gyps..as usual..just becasue it dont bother you....doesnt gonna make a morally inapproriate thing right!!
Why is Gypsy not banned yet? for her loose moral comments and trying to corrupt innocent/God fearing souls on QL?? lol
"Breasts are breast. Gypsy is right. Only the sexually deprived Arab men make it something special. They have a miserable life, I guess."
Some Arab women want to keep them special as well - it affords them 3 - 5 minutes (if they are lucky) of power in the otherwise powerless lives......
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There are different "Norms" in Qatar, though, brit. You know that.
MD is only saying that so women will actually go around topless....:)
Thanks Labda, MissX and MagicDragon. Nice to know I'm not the only one who has some sense.
Breasts are breast. Gypsy is right. Only the sexually deprived Arab men make it something special. They have a miserable life, I guess.
Gypsy actually speaks for a large amount of people on QL. We sit back and watch because she she can usually say it better than any of us.
There are people who believe in things, simply because they have been told to believe in it. Bare breasts do not actually cause harm, and if you go and think about it, you may realise the truth in it. Social conditioning is running rampant with your belief systems. It's like no one ever told you Santa Claus was made up, so you continue to cling with everything you have to the idea of him.
Yes...god forbid I should ever have to look at a womans tits....oh wait, I see a set every day. ;P
in last i should say Gypsy, several times we are looking for something which is just kept in front of us and we were unable to see that. it is the same case with you Gypsy. you know everything and you know the affects also but you do not accept it coz you have not been affected till.
better to understand before affected.
have a nice day with due respect.
"nobody is coming to protect you in QL.why?"
Gypsy has more patience than I, for one. Also, she's a big girl, she doesnt need anyone to hold her hand.
Of course QL, you let the men manage your company for you while you get your nails done.
Perhaps you should go get a man to explain it for me since you don't seem intellectually capable of it...or are you afraid you'll break a nail typing?
I'm a chairperson I don't manage I only strategize :)
It's pointless arguing with you on the indirect effects of nudity as one detail in a chaotic system because it's just too complicated for you.
Have a nice day.
I never said anyone was wrong, I'm just stating my opinion. Why are you so threatened by it?
Gypsy, you are the only one is right and all others are wrong. nobody is coming to protect you in QL.why?
Sorry Salman I haven't seen any valid questions, perhaps you'd like to restate them for me?
where ever the valid question raised, Gypsy, you did not give the answer.
You're connections make no sense salman icon. Do parents not see their children naked and vice versa? Nudity is natural. Kids don't even notice it, it's only society that teaches us it's wrong.
I also don't understand this fear of "living like animals" would it not be preferrable to always be happy and at peace like animals?
ROFLING QL, I wouldnt' mind to see the one you "manage", but say you can't cause you're a woman.
Do topless women cause health problems?? No. Do they cause societal problems? Not in a country with healthy views of nudity No.
If i accept as said by Gypsy, Sweden has ruled to go topless in public places. then i should say, in West ppl are living like an animal. whatever they want to they are doing. there is nothing called Society. all family members are living naked in front of every body. do u think they have moral respect of each other. the relation ship in between family members are more worst in west.
Yes Brit, OBVIOUSLY it would cause chaos here, but it doesn't in Europe or Canada, so what's the big deal? As I said, doesn't bother me in the slightest to see a topless woman.
I'd like to see this oganisation that you manage while on QL!
Drugs aren't the only thing that causes health-related and societal problems.
I must disagree with you.. It all depends on where in the world you are and what the norms of that society are..
But drugs to have an affect on society, and we all have to pay the price, whether it be health care taxes or mamebers of our family who suffer. Some women sun bathing topless doesn't have an effect on society.
So, Britexpat, if she doesn't take drugs she will allow drugs in the society simply because it doesn't affect her!.. Ah, women!!
I'd do it in Cuba, but not on the street Brit, that's just tacky. I do have class you know.
And Khalid the LAST thing I feel for you is envy. Perhaps envy at your ignorance and gilded cage, but not for your values.
respect is not only to abide by the tongue. we have show it from our presentation. if i go to my boss only in underwear, so wat do you think he will admire me. Absolutely not, coz it shows irrespective manner, out of discipline. if i go to my teacher i have to be in proper dress, if i go to my father or mother i have to be in discipline dress code. if i respect everybody i have to respect them throughout my presentation. nudity is only allowed between wife and husband. otherwise there will be no difference to be a wife/ husband or stranger.
I was speaking on behalf of all women QL, and yes I've worked very very hard to get where I am and I'm very good and what I do, and I've faced A LOT of sexism from people who think like you.
So you think you know every person who's been raped in Qatar QL? All the expats, the Filipina maids?
Khalid, no it doesn't, it has the highest in NORTHERN EUROPE but it's quite low on a world scale http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/d/depression/stats-country.htm
and for suicide it's like, number 30 or something http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate
Yes salman Icon, there are rules, and Sweden has RULED that it's ok to go topless. So people should follow that rule.
I disagree with you Khalid. They don't envy us, simply because they don't see God. He's too far away from their noses.
I think Gypsy is playing the "Devil's advocate" here..
Don't let yourselves be taken in by her comments. Yes, she believes in feminism and the right to wander around topless, but will not do so herself..
So, therein lies the answer..:)
Gypsy wants to destroy all the good values and let the people lives like animals with no rules as in jungle.
I think also some are very envy and jealous from us, as we have God and they do not have.
Gypsy, you are looking this world only from your eyes and may be there is no dirtiness in your eyes. but there are black sheep every where. you dont want to kill ppl and there are ppl who are killing innocent without any cause. there are so many examples i can give you, thats y when we are making rules we have to look on the matter from several eyes.
Because you've been complaining of not being 'given' an opportunity!
thing's which r meant to be covered should be covered
u r made for some one so it should be treasured for him/her(spouse)
it should not become a public display of art
and if think u got some gut;s back there then dont just talk ,let it become practical
even female animal's have bath uncovered in their type of public pool so what is the diffrence between u and animals
GOD made u human so plz behave like one
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Ok I m packing off to Sweden....er....No.....to Cuba...
No....to Sweden.....No.....to Cuba...
No....to Sweden.....No.....to Cuba...
No....to Sweden.....No.....to Cuba...
No....to Sweden.....No.....to Cuba...
No....to Sweden.....No.....to Cuba...
....damn this is so confusing....
There are cases of rape in the middle east but they're limited.
Even without stats ppl know what's going around because we belong to extended families we know each other.
ROFLING, who says I'm not a manager QL?
What is the difference between these women who go topless and animals.
I see no difference, and also by the way Sweeden has the highest range of people killing them selves because of dipression.
It seems they have no hope in their life and that is why they kill them selves.
Again you lose sight of the big picture. See why you're not a manager? You'll screw up. Your organisation will be in total chaos. Your principles will be: Go on people do as you please. Forget about our mission. Rules are only designed to oppress.
LOL. The West IS reporting, the Middle East is NOT reporting. The statistics are based on assumptions not facts.
again you are wrong in terms of reported. Media is not reporting because it has become common in West. thats y thery are not reporting. but if you see the statistics through out the net like Wikipedia you will get this figure.
LOL. People are going to die from me walking around in the buck?? I highly doubt that. :P
It is not the excuse, when ppl die then you will care. precaution is better than cure.
How is my walking around naked imprisoning you. If you don't like it don't look.
And salman icon the reason there appears to be more rape in the West is because rapes are REPORTED, in the Middle East they aren't, so we have NO idea what the rape rates are here.
Gypsy, freedom does not mean you make others in imprisonment.
somewhere you said, it will not increase the rape. I dont agree with you. The rape is more in freedom countries like America/Europe than middle east especially in Saudi Arabia.
Last time I checked people didn't die from embarrassment. And if it because more common place people wouldn't get embarrassed anymore.
you agreed that ppl will be embarrassed then y dont u understand it should not be allowed in public places.
i am not pointing yourself(dont mind), but there so many girls and boys who always consider freedom for themselves. they should have to think what their freedom really effects on others life.
Well personally I don't think it happens enough for it to become acceptable, or for people to get used to it.
Salman icon if I go outside topless here I would be arressted. If I did it home everyone would just look at me stragely and get really embarrassed.
How much is a return flight to Malmo? How bout cuba?
Bulilit, bulilit...ang liit liit :P
It seems that Gypsy is right.. Legally, it is permissable as per a court ruling in the late ninetees..
However, what is legal may not be socially aceptable..
Research has shown that a majority of residents are against this ...
http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-5472650/Canadian-attitudes-toward-female-topless.html
Gypsy you just go topless outside of your home for some time. when everybody will stare at you, everybody will try to pick u etc. etc. then you will feel shame and then you will notice why it should be banned in public places.
We're Canadian, we believe in freedom as long as you don't hurt yourself :P
Seriously ROFL @ "it's legal for men & women to be completely nude as long as they are wearing protective footwear."
Now I know why AIDS spread in Africa..because ppl walked bare-footed.
well if sexy lady with gud boobs boy s love to c that/:P
how about those girl who r fat big belly lose boobs till down :LOL
Absolutely yes. Men can to. There's not many who choose to excercise this right, but they can.
Are we talking ancient laws here ? Are you seriously telling me that a woman can walk topless down a main street in Toronnnnnnno and not have the Police or a few men accost her ?
I googled immediately and these people who were nude at a pride parade were allowed to go free.
http://tntmen.abuzar.net/tnt/news/f33.html
"a conviction would have been legally impossible without showing “a reasonable apprehension of an identifiable, substantial risk of harm to on-lookers or society.” He said, “The Ontario Court of Appeal ruled in the 1996 toplessness case of Gwen Jacob that it’s not enough for the Crown to merely speculate about harm, nor to rely on the fact that some individuals complain they are offended.” The court stated in that case, “No one who was offended was forced to continue looking at her.”
Nope in many Provinces women have the right to walk down the street topless, go to public pools topless & sun bathe in a public park topless as long as it's not for commercial use. I'm afraid I can't find a link to that actual law, but in many provinces it's legal for men & women to be completely nude as long as they are wearing protective footwear (strange I know).
stop making me a fan of your.
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how do you always steal the words i had in mind !
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full suits of armour - haha, so true.
"We've had topless bathing in public in Canada for almost 20 years now! And this is Sweden!"
A little disingenious :)
Topless bathing in specified places is one thing.. it usually means that "like minded people" and a few voyeurs congregate there..
What we're talking about here is topless bathing in a public pool .
Secondly, I find it strange that historically, society as it has matured and evolved has sought to cover up the bumpy bits and nether regions , yet here we want to go in the oposite direction for the name of equality..
Women could wear full suits of armour and men would still say "they asked for it" :P
And I agree, most of the ones who do it are the ones who SHOULDN'T be doing it. :p
Gypsy, I think it'll just give go-ahead to idiotic rapists who stupidly say women in skirts or skimpy clothes "asked for it"...Now that there are bare chested ones....
As a side note, a lot of the women Iv seen on beaches that allow topless swimming etc really SHOULD cover up. Or atleast have mercy on other swimmers and go for boob jobs!
I understand Miss X. If anything happens in regards to the rape rate I say it will go down, defintely not up. But probably not by much sadly :(
Holy Boob !! :(
didnt knew tat Smokey, thx for tat valuable info.
lol ! Rizks, it never came to my senses that the reason for war is BOOB. But its close to the word BOMB. : )
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No rizks war is fought be cause of weapons of Mass boob-distraction.
Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!! :)
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so its ultimately the BOOB for which everyone is crying and dying for ?
Its only coz of the boob, we have war, flood, hunger every were in the WORLD ? :(
lol my comment on possible rape decline is when men stop looking at women only as sexual objects. Definitely won't cut out all rape, but the possibility that some may not be so compelled to do, is not unheard of.
Thats the cycle of a man's life Rizks when we are babies we cry for boobs to get milk, when we grow up we still cry for boobs like babies :P
Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!! :)
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Can someone explain me wat is a BOOB ? :(
and why the people crying abt it ?
boobs is boobs...loose is loose, So now whats the point of this discussion? Those that want to flaunt their titties, i stay in mamoura, give me a call. We came into this world naked, we aint leaving it wearing Gucci's or Prada.
Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!! :)
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I kinda agree with Gypsy, Boobs are just boobs, no big deal really. And I really dont see the connection to rape and why this thread is going there.
"Ali Baba and 40 thieves" are now "Ali Baba and 30 thieves" ; 10 were laid off.
My boyfriend likes my breasts just fine. Seeing another woman's breasts doesn't make a difference.
breasts are just breasts .... hmm..fine,
now, (no offense, ok?), does your boyfriend/husband think same?
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oh lighten up. Just because you see a little booby does not mean the world is ending.
Swedes are very open and free people who are not uptight about stuff like this.If its in public it is no longer taboo.
There are some extremely conservative people on this site. If people want to show their breasts, I don't care, just don't try and score political points for doing it.
Last year I had a naked lady standing next to me in an art class discussing the picture I had drawn of her, nothing sexual in it but it was a bit surreal.
Rape isn't about boobs, it's about power. A rapist doesn't care if a woman's got nice tits or no tits. So no I don't think the rape rate will decrease. The only way that will decrease is to look at the root causes of men's need to dominate women.
However, I don't think rape rates will increase either.
There have been nudity and porn movies and playboy magazines for decades yet the rate of rape is still high. The 17-year-old young man doesn't care if everone else is seeing nudity as a normal thing. To him it's a new experience because of his physiological changes regardless of the norm in the society. The rate of rape will increase at least among teens.
Woman they want saw you what they have
They do that coz those poor boys who did not see that:)
When thats only one you get to see ,the excitement stays gypsy..lol
when u get to see millions dancing around.. that might kill the spirit.
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When Men had not invented cloths.. we all were close to NAture and in birthday suit day in n day out...
Its all the social conditioning.....
breaking it shall always create a counter attack from Society... as we are breaking the rules and are unwillingly to be jus utility for social set up.
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I also think it will give men & women a better idea of what real women look like, rather then the photoshopped and airbrushed versions they are used to seeing.
This is the other extreme.
I don't know about the rest of the women, but I can look at a penis without feeling any sexual excitement. That doesn't mean I am not capable of having and enjoying sex. Is feeling less lust for women such a bad thing? For one, women will able to be taken more seriously, and secondly I imagine the rate of rape will decline.
Does looking at mangoes and melons regularly make them any less tasty?
So your saying wives hide their boobs from their husbands so they don't get bored of them?
A nude beach , or a topless sunbath at a particular permitted beach is fine. Topless in public pool would be lil too much.
Later , men also will loose the excitement of the unseen beauty and will look at them like just mangoes and melons.
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anatomy is a symbol of a masculine society since prehistory. For the feminists,there is nothing more satisfying than shredding this tabboo to pieces and emerge in all their bare chested glory marching shoulder to shoulder with men. For me,it's a psychological warfare :)
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It is Natural.
This comment about Children.
It is not only Children. The reaction from people is simply because of their deprivation.
Whenever you take someonr out of their known surroundings, and put them elsewhere (Kid in a Candy Store Syndrome), these are the type of comments you get.
I am responding to the comments, since the actual article does not need a response (except "why did it take so long").
KSA - "QL Event in Malmo" Count me in my fren... but m not sitting close to RIzks... bugger talks a lot.... :)
MissX - "It's an insult to all men, to assume men can not look at a woman without sexualising her" ?????
Call it a art...
And Ya... Boobies are Boobies... they don bother men...
we the nice ones.. shall remind those ladies how beautiful they are... jus by the way we look at them....
thts a bloody super power. few of us are born with :)
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Man created religion ..not GOD... get over it guys...- FS
I'm actually surprised that this wasn't in place before?? We've had topless bathing in public in Canada for almost 20 years now! And this is Sweden!
[quote:] "The more one sees nudity, the less they will associate sex with it."
And the more weird sexual practices they will need, wife-swap, threesome, porn movies, viagra etc.
...but I doubt it will find wider acceptability.It might remain a cultish fervor for times to come.
Life is Beautiful...Indeed!
Exactly what Gypsy said
"the more we see these things the less sexualized they become"
Women seem to have to bear the brunt of men sexualising every part of our bodies. To the point where Abayas exist. No don't fix the thoughts of sexually repressed men who can't look at women without lusting, instead make the women wear an unflattering black sheet from head to toe and hide her indoors.
It's an insult to all men, to assume men can not look at a woman without sexualising her, because I know that there are many men who can look at women without having any sexual urges. The more one sees nudity, the less they will associate sex with it.
You can't teach experience...
hehe...next vacation...Sweeden!!
Cool Topic!
I think if it will be common to most places, it will be considered a norm in due time.
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"Be Honest even if others are not"
Again, wouldn't bother me. My little brother was 6 when we first took him to Cuba. He didn't even notice the women with no tops.
Would you feel the same if you had young children and took them to the pool where there were topless women ?
Like I said, it wouldn't be my personal choice, however it wouldn't bother me if others did.
"However I really just don't see the point in keeping them covered."
So would you wander around topless in Canada or teh USA ?
It wouldn't be my personal choice to unleash my jubblies, but hey, to each their own and I don't see how it harms anyone.
You dont see a point in keeping them covered...!!!
Yikessss, girl, there is something that is always a surprise when undisclosed...so dont dare think about removing the surprise element ... that's not the way you treat rapism... :D
I suppose at the end of the day it all comes down to one's own "standards"..
I do personaly believe that there are certain norms in society and this is overstepping that mark..
ITs a Natural Beauty which you should be PRoud of Showing to the Natural Human beings.....:)
I didn't say it would. However I really just don't see the point in keeping them covered.
next week, appointment with the dentist
Gypsy, why should women "numb" their sexuality? It's not like this will decrease the incidents of rape etc
Hmmm, after having read this, I was just thinking, how about a QL Event in Malmo...!!! :P
Good morning everyone...
Are breasts no longer the holy grail of every teenage boy?
Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!! :)
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I think the more we see these things the less sexualized they become. I think nothing of seeing a woman walking topless down a beach in Cuba, and after a while my brothers even stopped noticing them (in my experience the women who flaunt them are usually the ones who's boobs you don't want to see). Kids especially don't even notice them.
johnpur - what happened to the barber/orthodontist/dermatologist...bits/bells? Hey, I dont judge (teehee)
britexpat, I agree. This is not sexual equality.
yes rizks, labda told me to pass by the barber, plan on having braces next week
FS, Do u say shameless women just bcoz it bothers useless men?
Come on , even if you are covered and go to certain places it will bother some men.
But to be on the safer side, women can avoid being topless in a public place.
Both men and woemn should be covered.If it is a shame, it is a shame to both the genders.
johnpur ur getting cute - day by day in ur AVTAR....:)
IMHO , this is the type of action that gives the "sex equality" movement a bad name...
labda, bits or bells
QA "Qatar Airways Good Morning, how may i help you?"
Samael "When is your next flight to Sweden?"
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Brit - book me too , and need a dark sunglass lol
Yes FS shameless indeed.
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rMs.....
u have any doubt ?
:) Their reasoning is silly, men dont have anything to cover up (on the top). Sexual freedom, yes. Sexual equality?? Why dont they just go to nude beaches. Next we'll have men walking all over with their bits hanging out.
we are not talking about specialized beaches, but a public swimming pool. I personaly believe that this is going too far.
"Breasts are just breasts. " :#
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tEaCh Me RuLeS, i'Ll TeAcH hOw To BrEaK iT ..
rMs..!!
My Next Holiday destination " MALMO "- CONFIRMED....:)
Shameless women....
Gyps... it wont bother you usless you are a Les...which you are not. It does bother many men!!
I've been to lots of places where topless sun bathing and swimming is the norm. Doesn't really bother me to be honest. Breasts are just breasts.
Maybe this goes with what you said in the other thread that women wish to compensate for sexism!.. Can't be managers, they can go topless! Inferiority complex.
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