Marriage (limited period)

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and humans being humans, there are those that will manipulate knowledge to suit their desires.When we think of the reference to a wife being the clothing for her husband and he for her, both must protect the dignity of the other. Some men choose to use scholarly rulings as an opt out, but again its their intention behind actions that matters. Its between them and their god if they choose to manipulate the guidance of the Quran and sunnah. A smart man with a good wife wouldn't do anything to jeopardize that. A smart wife with a good man knows that if he did choose to take a second wife and not tell her, he must have a reason that would benefit them both in the religion. So insha allah, marry a 'smart and good' person!

I was once told that marriage was just a business contract and a woman should make sure she was getting the best $ deal. Then I looked at the person who was telling me. Married-divorced 3+ times, chose wives only for their looks, had to update to a new model every time the current one annoyed him. How exhausting! His main line of business was selling the female body. He was a multimillionaire and he will die rich, unloved and unaware. Was he happy? Maybe. My point? Marriage means something different for everyone I guess. I can count the people I know who have genuinely successful marriages on my fingers. I wonder what their perspective would be on temporary marriage? Any 30+ years married QLers going to give perspective?

Gypsy said Isn't the whole point of marriage to ensure that it isn't prostitution?? .. Prostitution is the act of accepting money in exchange for sex. If the money doesn't change hands there's no prostitution happening."

Not necessarily for money only... "..exchange of value.."

http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/p190.htm

But as for a limited marriage period, it's short sighted, immature, manipulative and/or focused only on immediate gratification. Should not get married just to "legalize" it, making it a sham marriage.

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yup its true they can,,,, even for a min they cn get married..but im not sure which country

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I am not married but i think marriage is a respecable realtion & relation of soul.

but that marriage we talknig about is not Respectable its a deal between man & women coz man paying money for this period....

WELL, DONt MIND SHIA BROTHERS & SISTERS. ITs ONLY TOPIC TO DISCUSS AND WE ALL RESPECT YOUR RELIGION.

to the sanctity and the true essence of marriage.

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A) Sex for carnal pleasure.

B) Sex for subsistence. May be to feed the kids and send them to school.

C) Sex to earn some extra fast bucks.

D) Sex outside marriage(for money/without money)

Now rank them according to morality. Can you?

So, you used to pay ladies for sexual favours ... Cool!

Hey, they need a proper working VISA, LOL

that 70% of all wives get something extra for partaking in sex whether out of guilt or outright extortion. I believe prostitution is considered a "job" and not just an exchange of money or valuables for sex. If we were all restricted to having sex only with our marital partner there would be a lot of horny people running around.

I believe I have mentioned before that I was once referred to as just a "dildo with a wallet" by a lady in a bar. It did not hurt my feelings.

I don't think we need to do anything in the name of God, he's a big boy and can take of himself.

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I can see it being acceptable in the case of a widow or a divorcee (especially one with kids), or even an older woman whose very big on her career and doesn't have the time or inclination for a traditional marriage.

The problem with these temporary marriages is that there are always people who abuse them.

I remember reading some cases where fathers would sell their daughters into these temporary marriages. The marriages would last for a couple of days, then when it was over they would just sell them to someone else. Unfortunately these marriages don't really seem to benefit the woman at all.

I would agree that if it was what the woman wanted, sure it would be great. But honestly, in a lot of places where these marriages take place the women are not treated as equal. Do you think most families will give permission for their daughter to marry some guy for a week?

tra la la

LOL. Maybe so Brit, maybe so.

"SEX is the act for carnal pleasure. You don't need to be A) married or B) paying for it to do it. "

Is that true ? Have I been conned at the Ramada ?

Most men I know pay for dinner. Is that just paying for sex?

Alexa.. According to this form of marriage the Man has to pay divorce money or dowry money what ever you want to call it.. So basically it is the woman who gets the money, they have to agree on this money before signing the Marriage Contract..

So conclusion is.......... Just paid Sex?

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HE WHO DARES WINS

Prostitution is the act of accepting money in exchange for sexual favours. SEX is the act for carnal pleasure. You don't need to be A) married or B) paying for it to do it.

marriage is sacred bond/matronomy between a man and woman for the purpose of procreation/family union while prostitution is just for carnal satisfaction i believe.

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Isn't the whole point of marriage to ensure that it isn't prostitution?? People have been having sex out of wedlock for centuries and that's never been used to justify prostitution. Prostitution is the act of accepting money in exchange for sex. If the money doesn't change hands there's no prostitution happening.

do we look like fighting? we're rather having fun.. :):)

today we've got a nice company here, which happens quite rarely lately....

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Dont fight guys i just want to collect your comments. & know the realty about temporary marriage

Lets shake hands of friendship.

to justify prostitution.

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exactly Gyps..:) it's all about how you name it...

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I know quite a few people in relationships like that UKENG. Those people say they're dating.

"A man is not obligated to advise the 1st wife of wives 2,3 or 4. He is obligated to treat them fairly. Which, lets be realistic, is beyond many men!"

If you think about it the Quran and Sunnah also show us how a man must be tender and gentle with his wife's feelings and how he must treat her as a "precious pearl"; we always here Muslims say that this is how women are shown to be so respected in Islam. So while I agree that "scholars" have stated that he doesn't HAVE to inform a wife that he has taken another wife, that kind of action is not in keeping with caring for a wife and treating her with respect. To me it sounds like just another cop out for men to act like dogs. :-(

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Ok now where on Earth would you find consenting men and women who like to change partners like changing clothes.

I mean is this not sex tourism or what? You will meet a lady or a man just like that, then you mutually agree to have a marriage (all about sex) consentual intercourse and then divorce and move on to the next one you like?

Is this just not another way of legitimising Prositution?

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HE WHO DARES WINS

don't forget, "temporary" doesn't mean "short".

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Carmen Electra - Swoooooooooooooooon..

What's wrong with a marriage for a limited period?

Check this out, these are some remarkable shortest hollywood marriages:

1. Britney & Jason Alexander (55 hours - 55 hrs seem very long)

2. Carmen Electra & Dennis Rodman (9 days)

3. Lisa Marie Presley & Nicolas Cage (3.5 months)

4. Drew Barrymore & Jeremy Thomas (30 days)

5. Drew Barrymore & Tom Green (5 months)

I wouldn't say "most", but "many" :O)

Isn't that what most people in the world strive to do Brit?

Sorry to disagree..

Islam focuses on intention.

If your intention is nookie, then basically you're just using a provision to appease the authorities / society.

use the word MARRIAGE to disguise the intent.

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Well we'll have to see you in those... to see if they really do fit the best..:)P

Agree with Alexa and QS on the consentual arrangement..

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HE WHO DARES WINS

Damn image bursted

Alexa, I agree, that's exactly what it seems like.

Have you seen the women's underwear at M&S, it's soo cute. They have little underwear that are supposed to look like mens boxers. Also I find there bras fit the best.

Britexpat.. totally agree.. Now she seems like an old English lady shopping at M&S.. I always thought Gypsy was the young and trendy type..

Image shatterd..lol

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Image Shattered :O(

.....Or illicit relationship/prostitution in the guise of marriage? Marriage legalizes whatever carnal needs there is but could this minute-length relationship be called marriage?

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Nah. Marks and Spencers. :D

Give her some credit.. i'm thinking "Agent Provecauter"

Why do you shop at Ann Summers Gypsy?

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HE WHO DARES WINS

Apes, not monkeys.

My bras are too expensive to burn.

lol... I beleive in Naturism too... As Gyspy says we all came from the Monkeys...

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HE WHO DARES WINS

Got my bobcorn and sbrite (no bebsi this time) and enjoying the show :)

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What is the world coming to ?

they'll be burning their bras next :O(

Independence..hmmm to pick a prick of their own choice and accord..lol

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HE WHO DARES WINS

exactly, Gypsy.. sometimes we forget that woman might have a desire to stay independent..

and why we assume that the MAN is the one who uses a woman?.. cannot it be other way around?

Ok, she knows that she will be his 'wife' for let's say 5 years.. if she is smart enough, she can leave him a bankrupt by the end of this period and no one will ever even know about her existence (she was invisible, right?) ..

sometimes it's even better for her to know how much time exactly she has to suck everything out of him.. :):)so it's not quite clear WHO is the winner in this situation..:)

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MD are you speaking out of experience? lol :)

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I have to agree with QS. Maybe women who enter into these want to maintain their independence, and this sort of marriage offers them that.

brit, technically speaking every marriage (or partnership) is used for convenience...

but i am pretty much sure, since woman goes for it voluntarily, it means she can see some advantages of it.. otherwise why she would ever do it?

Ok, the same question: if non-muslims, why a women agrees to be a mistress and to have a married lover, for example? without any, even "temporary" marriage? or why women agree for one night stand? ... it might be a life style, it might be a certain circumstances, or certain emotional state of the person.. you never know..

but for me again, if BOTH are happy with that, and if it doesn't disturb other people, WHY NOT?? It is their personal choice..

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The argument from us was that people are using this type of marriage for their convenience rather than entering into a partnership.

which does not save the rights of the husband and wife is not considered as a marriage.

Those who do not like contract are mostly people who like to play and cheat and they feel that this contract is like a chain holding them.

exactly, MD! that's what i think..

but as brit noticed, the difference is that "temporary marriage" INITIALLY set for the limited period... why people find this fact inconvenient? i don't know...

By the way, it is not necessary that the period of marriage is short… One can conclude a 100-years term marriage contract...the idea is to specify the term.

And by the way, when you are concluding "normal", "non-temporary" marriage, why do you need to make a Marriage Contract then? describing every single detail what is going to whom in case of divorce? Isn't that "immoral" as well?

Even in Shariat Court they asked me:

first: How much do you want to get from your husband before the marriage?

The second question was: "How much do you want from your husband in case of divorce ?"..

well, since the question was made quite straight, I was not shy to indicate the figure.. why would I?

so again, isnt all that the variations of the "temporary" marriage?? everything is temporary in this life: jobs, friends, houses, habits, goals...the Life itself is temporary...

why the marriage wouldn't be?

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This is not fake news..

Muttah, Misyar and temporary marriages do exist.

NO NEED TO GO iRAN YOU CAN MARRIED IN DOHA

Every marriage is for a "limited period".

Hang on Guys and Gals,

Please appreciate that this is a kinda religious issue and persons like KHALID are just spreading the fake news. In every religion there are some rumors and baseless things that their believers just stick to them to have some sort of substansiation of their wrong doings,,,, Please please even if we know of such things and we don't have an authentic reference to that rumor then we should not propagate it...

hope you understand what i meant to say...

Best Regards.

Dream deep, for every dream precedes the goal.

Seems to me like a sneaky way to bring about an Islamic sexual revolution. :)

I worked with a young Saudi who actually "practiced this" whilst studying in the states.

Some of the Khaleeji kids living in my college community in the US believe this!

Mandi

There was also a "supposed Fatwa" in Saudi Arabia that students studying abroad could marry a local girl for the duration of their studies in order to avoid having "sex outside marriage"

Didn't Britney Spears do this? I think her first marriage lasted 53 hours.

Mandi

Really? Wow. and what if a child is fertilized out of these "secret" marriage? Would it be al-hamdulillah or mushkila kabir?

There is evidence in the books of the history and the cultural traditions of the Arabs that in certain situations, a temporary marital relationship between a man and a woman was considered to be acceptable among pre-Islamic Arabs. There are certain narratives (hadith) that imply that for sometime, even the Prophet (pbuh) did not prohibit such a relationship. On the other hand, certain other narratives are held as evidence to the fact that the Prophet (pbuh) did not prohibit such a relationship at all, it was prohibited, later on – after the death of the Prophet – by the second caliph, `Umar ibn al-Khattab (ra).

The Qur’an does not support this view. According to the very initial Surahs (chapters) of the Qur’an, like Surah Al-Mominun and Surah Al-Ma`arij the Qur’an specifically disallows all sexual relationships, besides that which are based on Nikah or that which were between a master and his slave girl. The Qur’an says:

And those who guard their chastity, except with their wives and their slave girls – for they are not to be blamed. But those who trespass beyond this are the ones who are transgressors. (70: 29 - 31)

It must be remembered here that a Mut'ah relationship makes a woman neither a wife nor a slave girl of a person, whereas the Qur’an specifically restricts sexual relationships of a person with these two. It should be noticed that the particular word used by the Qur’an in the referred verse translated as "wives" is "azwaj" plural of "zaujah". In the classical Arabic language, a woman with whom a person had entered into a contract of Mut`ah was called the "Mamtu'ah" of the person, she was not referred to as the "zaujah" (wife) of the person. The verse, therefore is a clear evidence to the fact that no other relationship besides the one based on Nikah was allowed by Islam.

want to open up that can of worms right before Ramadan, sah? ;-)

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Muttah simply means pleasure in Arabic

I tried to explain to the best of my ability but let me know if it doesn't make sense and I can dig up an old link.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

What is Mutah, misayr?

but misyar does frequently, and that is one of the big drawbacks when a misyar wife is kept as a secret mistress. It happens enough to be a problem in Saudi. Not to mention the fact that the first wives HATE being lied to by their husband and his misyar wife.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Marry is forever

Nice man find pretty lady and have mucho babies but only one time

Many times is very bad like mans on QL.. He he it joke ok

i think a woman also might use it for the sexual needs, otherwise why she would go for it, since the man is not obligated even to support her, and since she knows that she cannot have kids with him (can she?)? what's the point for her to temporary marry him? a L-O-V-E???.. LOL...

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You have hit the nail on the head. All too often , the man uses Misyar for sexual needs and does not disclose the lady as a wife with all its privilges.

No.

Would I want to stop another woman who had thought it through from entering into misyar? No.

But I can only support it if there is FULL disclosure and the misyar wife will not be hidden away like a mistress which often happens. She needs to be a public wife and her children socially legitimate -- and this doesn't happen too frequently in misyar marriages.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Thank you PM :)

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just like any mahr. Shi'a Muslims would never see that as prostitution because the gifting of money or something of value is normal in a Muslim marriage. In fact, it is misyar that is more unusual. In that case a woman doesn't have the right to mahr or maintenance, which is something that is interwoven with the roles of men and women in a marriage in Islam.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

As an independent and free woman, would you support Misyar ?

Kind of like marriage with an expiration date :-P

Misyar is not. If one wants a divorce they must pronounce talaq or a woman seek khula.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

A valid point...

It is their religion and they are free to practice as they see fit. In this case, I personaly think that the system is being abused. For example, one could justify a one night stand by getting temporarily married for a day..

I wonder if there are any jobs going in Iran ???

but she agrees that he will not have to support her and may not even live with her. A lot of these marriages are conducted in secret by men who don't want their first wife to know that they are taking a second wife. Since he doesn't have any obligation to spend a certain amount of time/nights with the misyar marriage and he doesn't have to support her, it can be very convenient for the man who wants all the benefits of marriage without the responsibilities. Some scholars try to sell the idea to women saying it allows her to have a halal sex life without giving up her "independence" to live alone and they promote the idea for older divorcees and widows who might appreciate not having to adjust to having a man around all the time. What happens more and more frequently in Saudi (where misyar is becoming more common) is that the woman has to live at home with her parents (because she still must have a mahram in Saudi to get anything done) and her :husband" sneaks over a few times a week for his afternoon delight :-)

It is a no-strings "halal" sexual affair but does not have a fixed term like mutah.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

but in case the woman doesn't take money, is that still prostitution?

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yeah Brit,but i guess this type of marriage is typically concluded due to certain circumstances, where one or both partners can see why it might/should last only that long... and then again, if both agree, what’s the problem? No any side is forced to do it...Mutual agreement...

btw, I always wondered whether divorce is needed for the woman in order to perform the next temporary marriage (you remember this egyptian waitress who managed to marry 40 guys in 7 days or something like that?)?

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One could say that it is "legalised prostitution".

geez..Flanostu..sad news!@

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I would like to think its pure propoganda, but nothing really surprises me about humans anymore :O(

Heard of "Zawaj al Muttah"...but never heard of Zawaj al Misyaar.....can anyone explain plz....Speed or PM... ...can anyone of you?

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There is a slight difference here. The "commitment" isonly for a fixed period.. Coul be a day, a week, a month etc..

why? nothing wrong with the temporary marriage...

if both agreed, and if it made both happy, why not?

how is that worse than living together without any marriage? isn't it the same type of the relationship?

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Oliver Wendell Holmes

As per the Shia , it is allowed. I recall an interview with a guy a few years ago who had "married" 300 women in the space of 10 years. Some , more than once..

To each his own !

probably propaganda if it's in The Jerusalem Post.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,,25815969-2,00.html

harami peoples.............

And would never accept mutah or misyar for myself. Others see it differently.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Sab pagal hai. Shadi haI, Khel nahi.

considered legitimate "marriage" by the scholars of each sect. Neither fulfills my personal idea of what a marriage should be about; but God will judge.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

u GO GIRL!

looool rizks..

its actually 1 hour to 100 years

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Oh and by the way, Shiaa' are not "fake Muslims"... they are Muslim the same as other Muslims except that they believe in Ali etc....just cause you do not agree with it does not give you the right to criticise it...with information that is WRONG....look up the facts and then you can go preaching on your high horse....

Sorry but your information is wrong.. If it is done properly - its done in front of a religious man (mulla) and there is a written paper. It is not done for an hour or a minute so please dont go talking about something that you know nothing about. The only thing you have correct is the name :zawaj al muttah... and yes you need witnesses...

Is'nt yaaar

Speed, Khalid is a product of his upbringing, lack of education and little world knowledge. :(

other Muslims.

What about Misyar in Saudi Arabia ? Mind throwing some knowledge on it?

Thanks khalid

Ohhhh great i also want to go there & get married. but not for 1 minutes or a hour. for a few days.

i am not shia but no problem i'll manage (keep it secret) Hahahahaha

that's why it is a contract..

yes Rizks chicken roll

Pajju....

Wat do you mean by Troll ?

New kinda Spring Rolls ....:)

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if thats what you are as per your Profile

Reminders before Ramadan

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Ek minute mein atleast dhai akshar to bole ja sakte hain....

One Minute ??

and wat great will happen in just 1 min. ?? :(

It is done by the Sheia in Iran (Fake Muslims), this is done by agreement between the girl and boy and no paper or contract is required, they can get married for one minute or one hour or one day or one year.

It is called (Zawaja Al muttah)

No need for witnesses.

Can we call this a marriage?

Wat a lovely name u hav ....