Saudi prince injured in suicide bombing

there's worse deviants among us than merely junkies, gamblers, adulterers...I'm afraid our societies are far too worried shooting down pigeons while fully loaded bombers circle overhead unfettered. Shame on him and whoever taught him "3dab"...I am however worried what is it that causes such trains of thought, and even more so what justifies transforming such ideas into actions. There's no smoke without fire I'm afraid...While I have somewhat brashly passed judgment, it must be some things are fundamentally wrong with the nature of reality worldwide.

Well said CC

I just heard the news of the attempted asassination on the news as was it discussed with my family members too.

Apparently the assailant used a mobile device fitted with an explosive that dettonated when rung.

The culprit (who was on bad terms with the Price's interior policies) managed to convince the Princes entourage that he wanted to smooth over differances and so was granted an audiance.

It just struck me, the magnitude of this act of terrorism (cliche I know) it's unimaginable and during Ramadan no less and for Islam?!

Also cliche - How can killing anyone be Islamic! - May God Bless the Price and I wish him safety and his country stability and security.

in that respect RdE (I hope you will not mind the shorthand), and I, when I was younger, being a little idiot leftist champion of human rights and civil liberties argued that whosoever wants to live a certain way should be afforded the right to do so as long as he does not encroach upon the rights of others to do the same.

Sadly there are certain segments among us muslims that love nothing more than telling others they are not of us because of this and that and hounding people like shepherds do sheep, with a cane into places of worship of their prescription. I am hopeful you will agree we have, even in the darkest of days been above such crude barbarism, yet we see it manifest today. The truce is black and burned, and sitting around preaching unity to deaf ears is a waste of time. We can give them a hand, they'll take the arm. This has been proven. Some people have no honour or scruples. We should by now know what's going on, and we should also know how little power we have as little people to change things. I agree, technology has given us some kind of liberty to yell and shout our grievances, but as britexpat raised the issue recently, and we duly discussed, this is another tool that plays into the hands of existing powers, ergo, we can scream and cry online all we want, tweet about it and make facebook groups. I see this as ridiculous, but this what the youth of today are being taught is the most efficient way to pursue things like "change", "transparency", and other "rights".

What I would like to see is this madness stopping, once and for all, this brother kill brother for small political or monetary gain. Look at the children of Iraq. What have they done, who have they wronged, to deserve what is going on? That quagmire is a monumental shame not only on the west, but even more so on us. And those whom you have mentioned, they are clearly the ones to blame, I just hope for their sake that they repent, if not for humanity then for God and their own sake before their time on earth expires, lest the mother's tears for her children catch them on that fateful Day.

Crapcircle, I wasn't looking for Satan in globalization and technology! I meerly stated that he discovered it hence we have more refined psychological warfare and illustrious organizations with illustrious titles doing not so illustrous things. Turning blind eyes and applying one standard to some and another to others. This happens to sound similar to what you so eloquently wrote?? I preferred to simplify and I guess you misunderstood me.

Again Satan's battle is ageless and he has chosen his apostles well.

Yes it's Ramadhan, thankfully I am muslim (with respect and tolerance of all religons) and for some time now I have refused placing myself in a titled Islamic box that aims to divide & I stand in solidarity with what is a universal Islam which is faith in one God, Allah sub7anahu wa ta3ala and Mohammed PBUH his messenger.

I just wonder about those whom call themselves muslims the ones that have a say & have done (not necessarily unchangeble) evil deeds , what does Ramadan mean to them?

I have made a mistake in phrasing and I stand corrected. The people on the street would want nothing more than peace, be they in Gaza, Jerusalem, Cairo or in a mosque in Newfoundland. The powers that be have different goals in mind, and that should be clear to all of us. There is no justification for 60 years of a problem not being solved. Especially a problem as crucial as the right to existence of a certain people.

very well said, especially the last paragraph regarding the value of human life.

As far as the palestians getting sold out, i would agree partially. It is not the Muslim bretheren who have sold them out, but the governments who pretend to be concerned , but have their own agendas. As long as the palestian issue is alive, the muslims of these counries will have a diversion.

Saudi Arbia,Egypt ad Jordan must take the maor share of the blame here, whilst the others have also played along..

One can say that at this point in time, it is not in anyone's interest to have a viable Palestinian state n place..

That is an overt simplification on your behalf. Pray tell me, who does middle-east instability benefit? I am not going to argue against the fact that there are Zionists and they are absolutely unscrupulous in the pursuit of their goals, but what of the jewish orthodoxy, the Haredim, of whom half refuse any association with the state of Israel, even going so far as to refuse their subsidies? They also boycott the IDF. Those people are 15% of the population of Israel (in total the Haredim make up almost 30%). Then there are 5% of christian and muslim Arabs. Of course popular opinion in Israel is violently against these folks, the Haredim themselves always sweep the "most despised demographic" polls in Israel. Why? Well because they point to certain passages in the Torah that clearly state "The tribes of Israel shall try to bring back God's land, but until these attempts are Kosher, they will fail". Even jews know full well that what's going on is not Kosher. Then there's the modern liberals, the ordinary untainted people, in fact I dare say at least half of Israel does not approve of what it's country is doing. But democracy necessitates only half of those who come out to vote to agree on a leader and therefore a policy platform for the injustice to be implemented, and as I'm sure you know, the haters are always first to the ballot queue.

Then again the Palestinian issue. Let's face the cold hard truth. Palestinians have been sold out by their muslim brethren time and time again. A few times owing to stupidity, inefficacy, and later on for a few pennies on the dollar on the prices of staple exports. Again, I claim the Palestinians and their cause are a comfy diversion. Keep the muslim world occupied with the fight against in the jews, in the meantime the powers that be will restructure the public through a structured brainwash. Al-Quds you say. Sure holy shrine. Sure, much more freedom and respect of different faiths during even the most oppressive of muslim tyrants. What of Mecca and Medina though. You know, some of us celebrate the "mawlood". I'm not even going to mention Najjaf and Kerbala because this discussion will surely spiral into a very bitter race into the abyss. It is the Ramadan after all, and no, I'm not a Shiite either, I just place respect of other people's opinion above imposition of my own.

The gist of the matter is this woeful "relative value of human life" this awful New World Order has brought upon us. 1 jew=10 Americans=100 everyone else=1000 or 10000 if you have the royal misfortune to be Iraqi or Afghan. Not to worry though, this exists ion the muslim world too. It goes 1 Palestinian=10 folks from the Caucasus, Uighurs, Africans=1000 Afghans or Iraqis. Simplifications like good & evil don't exist, these are folktales for the littlest of children, even the 1001 Nights are above such patronization. Don't look for Satan in globalization and technology, you should know the Prophet (P.B.U.H.) clearly pointed to where the horn of the foul one rises from...

Not too sure but I suppose that the road to Jerusalem now runs through Kabul, not Baghdad.

they played that dangerous game that their buddy America loves to play. Now they're reaping the rewards. I know I come off as anti-American in many ways, but that is not the case. Most of my best friends are Americans, white, black, even Jewish! They're the ones paying for the mistakes of the meddling speculators in Washington. They're the ones paying the taxes, they're the ones suffering from the increasing hostility against the US around the world, and finally, they are the ones dying far from home for reasons which no American officials have the guts to make public. There's tons of books written about the problem by everyone, from Christian pastors of good conscience and courage (who as we've seen, get institutionally demonized for speaking out), through highly educated world-class thinkers (some Noam Chomsky would be in order, and I'd add Howard Zinn, Mearsheimer & Walt too). The fact these guys get dismissed either as "leftist lunatics" or even more absurdly, as "anti-Semites" in favour of patent fascists and morons like the Ann Coulters of this world speaks of the power the brainwash machine of hatred.

Stone Cold -> I'm afraid this is not the case. Why then, is America and the rest of the west spending mountains of money on reigning in Afghanistan. Let's remember, these "Taliban" were paraded in previous administrations as "exemplary" friends of the west. This is what happens when you play with fire, you get burned. Or, when you put money over mind. It's a funny predicament, the Taliban were created to fill a hole that ensued from the removal of the "red plague". Now that same "red plague", in the form of China though, is being asked to bail out a west that is losing ground while it stretches itself really thin trying to put out a forest fire it has itself played a major role in starting. I don't like what's going on, it sickens me every damn day I watch the news and another bomb blows up a hundred women and children, but for the powers that be, there is at least poetic justice, punishment for lack of foresight or better yet, that American political ailment that many muslim governments share, "Tunnel Vision".

Thats would be a long long fight. Wish it would be David vs Golaith. Its technology that keeps the world pumping, and globalisation to keep it running.

CrapCircle's "The evil west" tirade is mainly a comfortable diversion.

It's more than a diversion and although one may assume it's an ancient one, asides from neo-political globalization they did live peacefully, at least with far more tollerance and less brutality

than they have now in Alquds.

The zionists (these come in all shapes, nationalities and forms) are the culprit and apparently the majority of the open players do come from the West.

Rememeber http://www.qatarliving.com/node/668943

Satan just discovered technology and globalization, it's always been good against evil.

Try to believe in conspiracy theory than. Whether if its the west who plans to ride on this annexation plan, the division amoung middle eastern countries must be addressed.

Initially, the idea was to export the ideology outside their immediate sphere of influence.. However, as they say, the chickens have come home to roost..

Decidedly NOT! This ideology/dogmatic doctrine, whatever you want to call it (just don't dare legitimize it and call it a "madhab", for that it is not), has been around for about a quarter of a century. Don't fall for their clever marketing euphemisms. The fact they call themselves something does not imply they are precisely that! Many of the things they have been at war against take their noble root from that same period in time, and furthermore, from the same people!

britexpat -> Again, Islamic empire-building. However, it is absolutely ridiculous. There's no chance of Arab unity, on anything. If there is no muslim unity among the 30% of the muslim world that speaks one language and is clearly genetically related, how do they honestly expect to bring it about among the rest of us? They know this full well, so they have been satisfied enough with their "regions of influence".

Stone Cold -> It doesn't take a rocket scientist to notice these things. I'm not trying to be condescending to you, and I understand, most muslims go through great pains to hide their internal dirty laundry and petty bickering. But deep underneath the disagreements in not only foreign policy, but fundamental ideology exist, have existed, and little is being done to correct them. In fact in the last 20 years it has gone public in a most brutal manner, ancient wounds have been ripped open and salt is being poured into them by the truckload. "The evil west" tirade is mainly a comfortable diversion, much like "the evil muslims" are a favourite and universal tool for the real problems that exist in the west. Scapegoats are very convenient in policy making.

Thats the reason why they will not tolerate the N bombs, do they

You are correct. Initially , Egypt had the power. However, Saudi used its financial muscle to push through its agenda with the full knowledge of the West.

Another aspect is that Saudi feels threatened by Iran in its quest to be "spiritual leader" of the Muslims.

the Prophet (saw), do you? My point was that there was a point when the garden was planted and could have turned out beautifully if it was tended :-(

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

If you live by the sword...

It's only KSA, 99% of the really terrible problems the muslims (and others who are unfortunate to live with us) have today are direct or indirect results of the "ideology export" policies (which, may I add, the Kingdom went to great lengths to execute), and in part of the ideology itself, which was VERY convenient when certain geopolitical goals were pursued a few hundred years ago ;)

But this is a recurring theme in the fine art of Islamic empire-building. The slaves eventually become masters. Although the kind of empire-building going on now is rather laughable in comparison to the dynasties of yesteryear.

There are too many twists to this saga.. The bottom line is self preservation.

Not only KSA. Other related countries as well. Their trust turns out against them.

It was planted that way, from the very beginning. The fact that we (the rest of the muslim world) either never cared or treated the issue with due respect only speaks of our misplaced trust and kindness.

The name of the game again. Its like raising an adolescent child only to know that they rebel against you later.

What a shame the garden was neglected for so long....

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Why would they bomb the host and financial provider

Please remember, when removing weeds from the garden, you have to pull out the roots. I know this is impossible, but what you sow you shall reap!

"(militancy),"

"Try to work for someone who'll challenge your powers.

You'll learn more in a year than 4 years of college."

"the man was being searched by security", ??????????

"Experts" also in Saudi Arabia??