Working women deprive men of employment
In my office there was a die-hard who often said, if he had his way, he would not allow women to work. He explained that for each job taken by a woman, a needy man, head of a household and bread-winner was deprived of a job. Of course, I did not agree with him, but I could not think of any strong arguments against. Could you help by providing your views, please?
ok why don't he include the widowed and divorced women!!
Hey Ant01,
It is a proven fact that women in the ME have been jumping up the ranks and have been managing it JUST FINE!!
As a matter of fact, you might want to back your statement with a recent set of figures from a Bayt.com Study. here are a couple:
- 76% of women respondents stated that women are occupying senior ranks to varying extents in their Middle Easter workplace today.
- 69% have stated they are treated fairly (by management) as compared to their male counterparts and 52% have even stated they are more ambitious than their male counterparts.
Thant being said, it's not gender really that gets one the position. its performance an hard work!!
Good luck :)
Ant01........there is a difference between mentally retarded and uneducated..........
Education is necessary - there was the reported incident of a domestic maid in Kuwait who put the baby into the washing machine because her madam told her to wash the baby and then the clothes. She stood and watched and wondered why the baby was screaming in the machine. Poor baby died.
don't say its hypothetical, because reality wise, education is essential to some women who want to pursue their career.
gtim: it's hypothetical because WK is not speaking of a specific woman with a high level of education and staying at home. He, I believe, is speaking in general. Additionally, Ant01 did not specifically state it was a "corporate environment" rather that it was in the "office." As I stated, there are office jobs, high paying office jobs, available to those without a college degree.
do I know you? I think that discussion happened many times between me and my colleague. Was it you?
FS, why should a housewife limit herself to a basic qualification? With that logic, all the rich people who don't need to work for a living should just live off bank interest. I believe education is for the pursuit of knowledge, and a phd especially should be for research in the interested not for helping your career prospects.
So WK, hypothetically speaking, if I was a girl and I was interested in learning Civil Engineering, to advance my knowledge of the construction field. Should I change my field of education, to something unrelated, so that a man can feed his family?
Khawaga you have a very valid point. I don't know why men in this part of the world think that they are obliging the rest of the world by marrying and producing kids. My suggestion to them is first you get a job and earn enough money so that you can afford your housewife and batalion of brats. Why blame others?
jackmohan....you mean to say then that Engineers shouldn't go for management courses.
Khagawa, how could it be hypothetical? maybe in the example you stated it’s true no degree holder is needed, but in a corporate environment which is the situation stated by Ant01, it is necessary.
Yeah WK ekjactly......
similar to Engineers who settle to other jobs just because it pays well ? So the seat would have been used by others who could have used the knowledge fruitfully.
It's not about women's employment. It is about choosing an employable or nonemployable wife. You chose your way, why complaint?
See, it's like this, if your wife is capable of earning big money, talk in favour of women's employment. If your wife is a housewife, grapes are sour.
deepb I am talking about the professional courses. I know a few who did Engineering from IITs and then just married and never went to work. Just wondering whether that seat could have gone to someone who needed it more.
FS...with that logic there should be only one working person in a family.
yes Khawaga you are right most women dont think of such a situation when they join the college..the decision to quit job and be a stay at home mom will all emerge once life changes after marriage..
I have a cousin in US..she is a doc..her both parents are doctors. So is her husband, ever since she had kids..she don’t want to work and don’t plan to work anytime in future..my uncle still complain about the money he spend on her studies. and both her sisters are earning lots of money and she is not bothered at all..:)
Deepb if she want to be housewife she can have basic qualification and not a phd..:)
For your question WK, is education intended only for employment purposes? If someone had no intention of working and only becoming a housewife, do they not deserve education?
gtim: this scenario is hypothetical. Do you really want to define terms?
spongeboob: if you knew what I meant, why did you ask??
FS: Actually, all WK said was that highly educated women who choose to stay at home are taking seats that could be used by men who will then go on to get some great job and support some huge family. My question, which has gone unanswered, is if the woman knew at the time she was pursuing this education that she would be staying at home. It is also possible that she had planned a career and, after getting married and having children, decided to stay at home. On a similar note, men who are educated but unmarried, can we also hold them accountable for "stealing" seats and opportunities from married men with families? If so, should we hold off on education and careers until people get married and have children?
Khawaga in our place the seats for professional courses are limited...so only the top certain number of students will get admission and the rest will have to settle for some other course..in that case WK pointed out a girl who took up the course completed four yrs of studies and decided not to work is kinda depriving the one wait listed guy or gal who lost a chance for one or two marks…..
If a girl don’t want to work and just need a degree they can opt for any other degree and not waste a seat for professional courses..
Would you be on CAS or AUAB?
Khagawa, on this scenario, education is to be considered. An employed person without credible qualifications will be left out.
spongeboob: on the military base. The US has two of them here in Doha.
Khawaga, Exactly where is "On the Base". I have heard that term and just wondering. ;-)
FS: perhaps I misunderstood your post. Are you saying that the girl took his seat in school and now he is on the waiting list? If so, my only response to that is, it wasn't his seat to take.
WK..many self employed people we know are either school drop outs or with lil education..
your point is valid for the agurement that the guy in the waiting list lost a chance bcos of girl took the seat.
that "die-hard" should just hang himself by the balls!
WK: it depends on the industry. A lot of positions on the base require only a high school diploma and experience and they pay quite well.
FS education may not guarantee a job but no education definitely guarantees no decent paying job.
You got that point FS. Women are liberated now, and they can have good education if they want, they can work and even excell in every field they wanted.
...and Ant01, tell to that die hard in your office that he's just jealous of women who are more intellegent than he is. If he's really competitive for that position. women can't take it from him.
WK..no because there are many educated men and women who are jobless... so education not necessarily guarantee a job these days.
As some people argue women cant work for some religious reasons I don’t debate with them..
If men can work..why not women?
I'd put myself up for adoption :-P
Ant01: my grandmother gave me that speech. She also told me that I shouldn't studying higher mathematics because "boys don't like smart girls." Perhaps she is correct and maybe that is why I never got married. But at the end of the day, I still have bills to pay.
WK: how many of those women, while they are getting the education, think that they won't use it?
Ok I got a different question. For women who are highly educated and choose to be housewives, aren't they taking up some other guy's place in the university who needed that education to be able to get a decent job and feed his family.
What would you do if someone in your family were to hold the 'women-should-not-work view?
it's your skills and competency that counts and not your gender.
Ant01: The same argument can be used against any group of people. Some say that women are stealing jobs from men. Some say that blacks steal jobs from whites. Unfortunately, it is not a level playing field in the job market and there will always be someone who feels he (or she) is being left out or unfairly discriminated against. For me, I have no bread winner. So if I don't work, I starve. Just one of those things.
I would call that guy a narrowminded idiot with limited view of life and civilization! He needs to be locked up if he thinks that!
You can tell him I said so (a working woman!)
Blast from the past! I haven't hear that view since John F. Kennedy was in office.
Mandi