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I dunno really, you brought it up so you tell me

As for me, I don't see what's wrong with demolishing something as long as it is for a better cause

Lived there. Honestly don't know where they'll fit everything.

Now where did you get all of this information from?

They would still need to demolish large parts of Busan, Daegu, etc. in Korea. It's a surprisingly small country with a surprisingly dense population. They've already said the plan is to upgrade current stadiums rather than build new...and Fifa likes at least one new stadium. Japan, on the other hand might have a chance with that one, come to think of it, since they plan to build a new stadium...However Japan is a horrendously expensive city to be a tourist in...which isn't in its favour.

not the olympics, they can have stadias all over the country, not just Tokyo or Seoul

Whatever be the case, I don't see why anyone has to ridicule anyone.

I think it's too soon after they held it the last time to be considered for 2018 or 2022. And the only reason they got 2002 was because they did it jointly. I also don't think they have the space, unless they demolish large parts of Seoul and Tokyo. However, they do have a better chance then Qatar, in that they've both held large scale events before and they have much larger populations.

Why do you think South Korea and Japan have no chance in hell?

So thinking the bid has no chance in hell is Qatarophobia? I also don't think South Korea or Japan have a chance in hell. Am I South Korean/Japanophoic?

Most of pilgram's comments are loaded with negativity about the Qatari bid but she offers little by means of meaningful arguments to support this negativity. I don't think Qatar has a strong bid either but I do wish Qatar gets the bid purely from of the perspective of how it could benefit local businesses atleast in the short run, call me selfish. But I don't see any reason why I should ridicule the bid the way that pilgram does, why is she so Qatarophobic?

un-drunk is boring! So many boring people I watch on ME sports' channel! Lol! And I presume you have boring life here because you can't drink on the street? Right?

Kind of like here...I smoked too much shisha last week, was dizzy and could barely see... Oops! It was social...

Yeah Flor, it's a very different sport in other parts of the world. Go to UK and watch football...you won't see people without a pint. Not saying they're doing it to get drunk...it just kind of goes hand in hand. It's more social than anything... and if you happen to get wasted and have to stumble home...Oops!

It would be wonderful for Qatar to hold this event...but it would suck for everyone else.

No Flor, the World Cup is an excuse to be boring and behaved and watch football in sober silence.

maybe for the drunkards, not to me! I drink but socially and occasionally!

here in the ME. And I don't see it boring without the booze!

Again, are you implying WC is just an excuse to drink? and be "merry"?

Again Pilgram - we're not talking about requirements. Qatar will already meet FIFA's requirements. We're just saying why it would be good for Qatar to have this event. Flor, as an expat is saying it would be great for his industry as it would create more jobs. No one ever said it must be this way... It's just a positive (now you wouldn't know anything about those, would you?).

Flor Qatar is the only country that will need huge amounts of expatriates to build the stadiums...I don't see how this is or should be considered a requirement...

Unfortunately Flor, Drinking is the fans sport when it comes to football...haha. And it needs to be my sport tonight! WOOOOO

can USA allow to work inside USA as compared to ME?

I wonder, how many drunk fans are there outside the tennis stadium in the USA while the US Open is on-going? Or how many fans in skimpy clothes during winter Olympics?

Was it really about tradition (of drinking etc, etc) or the sport itself?

Perhaps not the Philippines no, not for construction, however hotels and customer service would hire from there. Construction would be hiring from South America, which also needs employment.

Oh man...Steveprior that comment about Americans is hilarious.

Back @ Pilgram - Just because they haven't hosted before doesn't mean they can't do it...they've never been in such a position to do so as they are now. And your comment about the US offering work to multinationals is laughable...you and I both know the US would not be letting anyone in from Philippines (for example) to be doing this work...it would be full of corporate scandal contracts getting illegal mexicans to do the work.

Anyways, I think I could safely say I would agree to disagree on this subject...

You're the one who brought up economic growth, not me, I simply pointed out to you that Qatar doesn't need it as much as the others, so if its a factor as YOU pointed out, then the others are more worthy.

ALL of the countries have the billions needed to host the World Cup. ALL of them, with the exception of Russia, have hosted the Olympics. Australia hosted one of the most successful Olympics in history. National debt isn't really an issue. What has Qatar successfully hosted? A mid-sized international sporting event with empty stadiums and little TV coverage? Wow, what a recommendation.

Yes Brazil is dangerous...but the chances of it becoming an Islamic republic that stones people in the streets and ban all types of fun is pretty slim...can't say the same for other countries in this region.

Working with Americans is the best experience and form of advancement any individual would get in their lifetime.

That explanation wasn't why FIFA would or would not choose Qatar...it was to in your words to "give a good reason why you think Qatar deserves the World Cup". Your debating skills are sadly lacking ;)

What do you mean "in terms of economic growth, who needs it more?". The World Cup isn't a charity. Not to mention those other countries (like US) can't even afford to meet all of the criteria. They would have to dump billions into creating the proper environment...billions they don't have but Qatar does. Qatar is a debt free country - that can't be said for any other bidders.

FIFA has a criteria and scoresheet...Qatar meets or has agreed to meet all of that criteria. By meeting all of that criteria they will be put into a position to offer FIFA all they are asking for in a successful World Cup.

Your point about this being in a high risk area is fair...but is just as easily argued to the other side. Do you know how incredibly dangerous Brazil is? There are gangs, guns and drugs everywhere - that doesn't seem like the safest environment to have such a large gathering...but they're hosting the next World Cup. No one knows what this place will look like in 12 years...for all we know Military advancements (drones etc.) could put any country in the world at risk...

Will the US use other Nationalities? Yes. And pay them fair wages too, and allow them to live in decent accomodation. Will Qatar. Yes, and pay them slave wages and make them live in disgusting labour camps.

Can FIFA afford the Human Rights protests that will come out of this?

I think the US is bidding in an attempt to raise awareness of the sport, not because they need it. I think Australia has the better chance.

you are an American. So if USA get the bid, will they allow multinational to come to USA to work?

If Qatar wins, for sure a lot of many nationalities specifically from the needy ones (underdeveloped or developing countries) will come here to build those stadiums and infrastructures that will be a preparatory thing for the WC.

Are you admitting the USA badly needed this bid? So all Americans can go home from here?

time for some meditation....

I'm not negative, I'm realistic. FIFA isn't going to sit around and discuss the merits of cultural change in Qatar, they're going to sit around and discuss how many fans will come and how much money the sponsors are going to make. If they get nice stadiums out of it, bonus, but it's not the most important thing.

Also, in regards to economic growth, who needs it more? Oil rich Qatar which is one of the richest countries in the world, or Australia & the US who are pulling themselves out of a recession and could really use the jobs?

They're also going to think about where this country is going to be in 12 years, and not in terms of "well in 12 years they "Might" be ok with people drinking in fan zones and women wearing skirts above the knees" but in terms of the stability of the country and the region, which is NOT a stable region. They aren't going to want what almost happened in South Africa, which is to give it to a country that was looking up after a bad political situation, only to have that country devolve into an almost as bad political situation boasting one of the highest crime rates in the world by the time the World Cup rolls around. There's too much money to be lost to risk that.

Fancy stadiums aren't everything.

Your completely negative attitude towards Qatar tells me you should drag your ass back to the States...you've been here too long. Maybe get a job as well...I'm sure being a housewife gets a little boring...I can understand why you're bitter. It's not really worth me sitting here and explaining to you all of the reasons why it would be a good idea...but because I have pride in Qatar and it's bid i'll break it down for you.

You can't even grasp the concept of economic growth. From the Asian games there were jobs created for a decade BEFORE the games happened...your response is only "As for all the people and companies. Where are they now?" - It doesn't matter where they are now...you move onto the next one. If we got World Cup it would create an enormous amount of jobs here for the next 12 years, it would put Qatar on the map, it would influence change, it would create a platform of innovation for future stadia, it would open the worlds eyes on Arab countries and the good side of Islamic culture...I could go on and on...but you wouldn't understand I'm sure. Leave it up to the others to focus on efforts to keep economies growing once that precious resource of Oil and Gas runs out.

qatar dose not deserve , but cau afford it !

Qatar doesnt deserve the world cup but they sure can afford it!

Really? That's your response? So far you've yet to give a good reason why you think Qatar deserves the World Cup, other than it needs it to push development in the country...which is actually a reason why it SHOULDN'T get the world cup. Your debating skills are sadly lacking.

it is tooo earlly to talk about 2022 !!

Sounds like you need to go back home and hug your mommy...

I know Qatar is involved in the bid, and I know that any other country in the world would be better suited to the event. Pretty much all you need to know.

@Pilgram - You don't even know who is involved in the bid and you're making claims regarding the benefits others would receive over Qatar? Maybe join a discussion you know something about...

will not be on the actual attendance (of course for the host country, it really matters but not with Qatar) but on the sponsorship in beaming this tournament around the world.

What Qatar need now is a boost for more infrastructure and business exposure around the world. And just for bidding will exposed them tremendously (business-wise).

I support Qatar's bid because it will mean more construction which will generate more jobs in this part of the world and many people will surely benefit from it. Let FIFA take care of the other matters!

Didn't know the US was and don't particularly care. I don't live there at the moment, I live here and I find the bid laughable.

As for all the people and companies. Where are they now? Most have already packed up and left. The thousands of people who "flocked" here left the moment it finished. Jobs started by sporting events like these are temporary. It's oil and gas that will keep this country progressing. Not sporting events.

There are other countries that can fill the stadiums and benefit more from the economic boost that deserve this event.

assuming that there are going to be 64 matches, with a minimum seating capacity of 40000 in each stadium, that would need 2.56 million people to have a 100% attendance for all the matches

I know 100% attendance is unrealistic, but that is not the point I am making

Bear in mind that many world class stadiums have much higher capacities that 40000, can go up to twice that

Also consider that the 2010 FIFA world cup had an attendance of 3.1M and was still behind the aggregate attendance of the US and Germany

With a population of 1.7 million, its safe to say that 2022 Qatar World Cup if it ever came to pass would be one of the smaller ones in recent times when it comes to attendance

FIFA standards state 8 stadiums minimum with 50K each and that is stadium capacity of 400K. That means a stadium seat for every 3.5 man, woman and child in Qatar.

Truly amazing

It's not the World Cups responsibility? Obviously it's no one person or organizations responsibility. It's a natural occurance that by holding an event of this magnitude there would be economic propulsion for the country. Sports is just the vehicle to put Qatar in the world spotlight, which in turn would force that needed change. Look at what the Asian games did here - hundreds of companies opened, thousands flocked here just because of it. The World Cup would be that x20 PLUS the pressure of creating a much more international friendly environment. For FIFA, the money won't be an issue - everyone knows that. For Qatar, this is a massive opportunity for change.

your bitterness is self defeating

seems like you have some vested interests considering that the US is one of the other bidders

No. I mean the 20th.

you mean 21st century?

It's not the World Cup's responsibility to change a countries way of life or boost them into the 20th Century. It's the World Cup's responsibility to have a financially successful World Cup and make its sponsors tons of money. Stop looking for sporting events to create your cultural revolution. It's not going to happen.

2022 its the END OF THE WORLD!

REPENT!

keeping all issues aside, Qatar can offer something that no other country could in this matter...MONETARY RESOURCES. And with that they can without a doubt they can bag the bid. but they are up for a big challenge which no GCC has ever faced.....lets hope it all goes well and not much chaos...and that will put qatar on the top of its game

Theorizing won't win the bid...you're right, but neither will negativity. They have already made claims that if this bid is approved things will change here. There is criteria obviously that FIFA has in place - Qatar doesn't have any choice but to comply (by opening bars, allowing more alcohol, taking a more international stance). At the end of the day there will be bars to drink in...but possibly no pork? Big deal. Qatar NEEDS this World Cup to push them into changing these old school ways of life.

We have a long way to go. Looking at the current economic growth of Qatar, things are looking good.

Theorizing where this country will be in 12 years isn't going to win the bid. Imagine if Iran had pitched in 1967...What a crap 1979 World Cup that would have been.

As compared to other neighbouring countries,where this country has reached in last 15 years is simply negligible....!!

@ Pilgram - That kind of attitude will not get Qatar anywhere. Things take time and if you look at how far this country has come in 15 years (since '95) it is astonishing. Imagine in another 12...

I will plan ma 30 days vacation during that month and fly out. :)

2022...still 12 Years to go...:(

Who knows wat will happen till tat time ?

It should read: For the part of the world that doesn't like alcohol, pork or immodest clothing. Everyone else can stay home.