Mother of abandoned baby 'raped'

is eco-savvy deleted by MODS??? I was trying to send her a PM.

some times children dont listen to mothers and fall into circumstances which can lead their life in such a danger,I m sad for both so i better dont comment.

"SYSTEM of belief and worship"

No system - just the answer to one question - 'Do you believe in god or gods?" answer NO - that's it! Nothing else.

No worship

"informal an activity which someone is extremely enthusiastic about and does regularly."

You mean like swimming, watching football, being on QL etc etc etc

I didn't know they were religions?

Gosh, you learn something new every day! :P

Watch the vids - easier to see and hear than write about it here.

there was a sudden outrage for the mother when this news came out...now this follow up new should be slap to the faces of those people who judge the mother instantly without knowing the truth behind.

But nevertheless what she did is wrong, its not the child fault.

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Its better to know the truth first before conclude.

In response to your comment:

"being atheist is also another kind of religion"

For some strange reason, many people keep getting the idea that atheism is itself some sort of religion. Maybe it is because these people are so caught up in their own religious beliefs that they cannot imagine any person living without religion of some sort. Maybe it is due to some persistent misunderstanding of what atheism is. And maybe they just don't care that what they are saying really doesn't make any sense.

some vids to explain:

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(the best one)

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i checked a dictionary and look what i found

religion noun

[C or U] the belief in and worship of a god or gods, or any such SYSTEM of belief and worship

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[C] informal an activity which someone is extremely enthusiastic about and does regularly.

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http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/religion

Hello Alumnar and FU, you should invite "him" too

Sounds good FU :)

LOL TC hello buddy! Checked and replied :)

Anytime and Anywhere you say...me and her will come to meet you and him. And have coffee too :)

alumnar, may thou check thy PM

And Alumnar - You are absolutely right about the gatherings and get togethers.

Alumnar - But you must organize some 'baby'...:)

FU - I didn't attend or organize any BBQ 'baby' ;) I actually stopped attending gatherings since I felt threatened and intimidated due to my honest and outgoing nature. But that is a subject for another time.

i believe so.

"if Fatimah bint mohammad stole i will cut her hand"

referring to what the prophet said about letting some people escape with their crimes and punishing the poor people and how this could damage communities.

One shot, if the locals were punished for the crime of raping their 'domestic helpers' then crime would decrease! But they get away with anything! There is no justice. Human rights abuse.... Ahhhhh don't get me started, I can't say what I think... If you know what I mean!

being atheist is also another kind of religion and it has its bigots too.

u saw Hawking last statements, and some people reactions regarding both issues God and Aliens.

Alumnar - I'am ok :) Thanks!

When is the next BBQ?

lolzzzzzzzz, you got me.

tooo bad my BBB problem appeared hahaha

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I will pray diamond :) x

I am glad my hubby is atheist - at least he isn't a nut! ;)

Adey, read part 2 but find part 1 better as part 2 is more about future speculation. Still very good though.

FU - are you ok?

as i told u, eco had good intention when she commented like this , i am sure , it is just because of frustration to see moms doing this and throwing their kids in the streets and the community their is not moving to stop the origin of these crimes.

One_Shot - I'am against every racist anywhere. Eco is the epitome. I'am trying to converse with her in her own language. Hence,my comments above.

Also, we are not discussing athiesm here. Let her speak for her own racist self. I can do with some entertainment ;)

You rub sheep? :P

Whatever turns you on I suppose?

in case you didn't see the other thread here is Part II of that article you wanted to read.

http://www.theglobalist.com/StoryId.aspx?StoryId=8697

this is what i understood from him,

Well let's see.

You attributed a generalisation to FU's comment and took him to mean:

"you understand that every religious is nut" - in your own words.

On the contrary, I think FU was being explicitly specific.

:D i didn't meet or see ur husband so i can't judge even if i wish for him to change his mind.

i am copying some people's style ;P

No, no, don't admire me...I am merely a facilitator...there are many who are 'at the coal face' putting themselves in dangerous situations. Just pray for their safety.

Atheists are nuts??? LOL! Thanks for the laugh! My hubby, an atheist, is the SANE one in the family for staying away from QL!

hi adey again , now i know how i call you, it is not by rubbing the lamb but by talking about atheists.

look what your friend is talking about.

Diamond - I will be back in the UK early next year for good. I would just love to help people who are in circumstances you describe. If there is a way I can do that, please let me know. I admire what you do and feel for the heartbreaking situations you must find many times. I hope you always have the strength to continue doing such noble and hard 'work'.

Adey, jump right in!

this is certainly the thread de jour.

as you said and i copy from you that you understand that every religious is nut " i am using your style in generalizing", on the other hand i showed you my opinion about being an atheist .

button of the line that you are trying to convince me that atheists are not nuts????

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.think again and tell me if this is logic what are you talking .

thanks

hehehehe i think we will enter me and you a cat fight.

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look my friend, again generalizing is sooooo wrong , first don't attack eco, because i believe in her good intentions which more than enough , and how she likes good for people.

plus her comment came from a frustration of what a community like this could reach.

""Eco-savvy said Where I come from we were known as Sofa cum bed ...

every woman used to hate us we were that filthy, with the help of education ppl are out of this slavery business""

Eco - Are you coming from a red light area in India? Because maybe they use such terms. There is no other place in India where women are known as 'Sofa Cum bed'.

You say your family is always in reading mode, and you write 'Where I come from we were known as Sofa cum bed ...

Is this what you write for your family to read?

Oh the poor woman, how distressed she must have been. i hope she can have her baby and bring him up.

Unfortunately this kind of thing does happen in pretty much every country. I've been working lately in the UK with a project that tries to rescue girls and women from the sex slave trade. Many of these girls have had babies and been made to deliver them in appaling conditions (if their owner hasn't kicked her hard enough in the stomach to make her abort) and then the babies are illegally adopted or disappear into the paedoplilia underworld and the girl is supposed to get right back on the job.

It's a sad, sad situation and I heard and saw things I could never have imagined.

One shot, everybody is free to believe in who and what they want. Nobody has the right to impose their believes onto others - but has the obligation to respect everybody elses' believes. That is how I feel. My husband is an atheist. I am catholic. What matters to me is what kind of man my husband is in his heart and towards life. He would sure teach many people what it is like to be a decent, honest, loving and kind human being. Does religion matter? NO. You either are good at heart - or not.

One_Shot - Being an athiest is atleast better than being a nut case like Eco ;)

You know nothing about me Eco. You know nothing about what I do for Philippino people. Live amongst them and follow their daily struggles for 2 years - that might make YOU a better person as far as respect towards fellow human beings is concerned.

I am done with you. Replying to you is just giving you more chances to show your ignorance about human beings and life. I hope one day you find whatever is missing in your life I stead of pointing out what you think is wrong in other peoples' lifes.

beside being an atheist is the most dumb thing,it is another kind of believe but being so ignorant to have your own believe that is all , and you could believe in your lucky ring or lucky fish so i think it make these people hypocrites.

you are going into the same mistake so don't judge like this if you don't want to be judged ;)

Looking at Eco makes me pity people of her faith and her nationality. If being religious makes one as senseless and blissfully racist as her; I would recommend everyone to become athiests.

are we witnessing cats fight here....

.:P hehehe

Actually generalizing is not good and we should always look for the good in people at least this is my principle.

also when all the people agreed on something wrong then you must know that this community is going down and major rectifying urgently must be done

every woman used to hate us we were that filthy, with the help of education ppl are out of this slavery business

there is sea change once they come to Islam. Instead of getting upset with me you must work hard and push them in other profession where they are safe. The truth is I know too much about each nationality and I am not here to support evil acts of Saudi's or any arabs.

I'm sure there are only saints from wherever you come from Eco, no doubts about that!

On Tuesday, a 5- to 7-month-old fetus wrapped in a green plastic bag was found inside the Manila Cathedral in Intramuros, Manila, at about 5 p.m.

After one hour, devotees were shocked when another fetus was found at the doorstep of the Church of the Black Nazarene in Quiapo.

Authorities described the fetus as about 7 to 9 months old and was in a red shoe box when it was found by a churchgoer.

The following day, a 7-month-old fetus, wrapped in plastic and stuffed into a sack, was found in Catmon, Malabon City.

http://www.manilatimes.net/index.php/top-stories/26107-excommunication-eyed-for-abortionists

True Brit. Sometimes it's just hard, that's all. Eco should have spent time in the Philippines like I did and experience what hard life is about. Maybe then she would see Philippinos with different eyes.

I agree with you.. There is already too much racism and pettyness. We should all try to rise above it ...

Brit, she generalized! She mentioned the Philippines, not single cases. That is racism and slander. Let's see what the Mods do about her.

I am thinking of the baby and hope the little boy has a bright future ahead. God bless him and his family IN THE PHILIPPINES.

If I may play the devil's advocate here..

At present , it is only her side of the story. I hope that the Phillipines government or a human rights group takes up her case. If proven, then the morons should have the book thrown at them.

In the meanwhile, spare a thought and prayer for the little one, who may have lost so much through no fault of her own..

FU - you are so right! What a racist to say 'since when is dignity part of the Philippines?' How dare you judge everybody as being the same? Are you telling me your countrymen are all hnourable and decent people, Eco-savvy? With this comment you placed yourself below any Philippina who doesn't know who her childs' father is. Shame on you!

""Eco-savvy said one-shot every faith teaches there will be justice sah? ...

Why this woman didnt trust God at least for one moment. And Since when is dignity part of Philippines""

I have no words for you for your above comment. Are you a psycho woman?

MODS - Please rid QL of this garbage poster.

but depending on who this family had been, it would probably have ended up being the maids fault and the family would have been protected...

We know how things happen here.

Fillipina, its high time they get themselves trained in martial arts, Its high time they give up their desires, It high time their coward drunkard brothers and fathers take responsibility of their women not to send their women to Animal Kingdoms

eco savy..your comment, "And Since when is dignity part of Philippines?" was unnecessary..

this girl may have lost her mind because of the past happenings. its got nothing to do with the country she is from.

been arrested, and remember when one person is innocent entire community supports her

woman...

It could have been worse.... The employer could have had her arrested for illicit relations and being pregnant... instead they sent her home - where she is at least safe...

But I suppose the employer's wife didn't want shame brough on the family that a trial and a paternity test would have revealed.

Why this woman didnt trust God at least for one moment. And Since when is dignity part of Philippines?

there may have been numerous cases of rape of house maids by their employers in the gulf countries...can any one show me a single case when the local was convicted and brought to justice??

just one case would be enough to make me believe that this poor girl may also get justice..

i know eco but even though we can't neglect that she was raped, and didn't have illicit relationship,unless she is lieing, and if even also if it is not true that she has been raped that means this man has involved himself in an illicit relationship

this brave woman doesnt need our sympathy, she will be successful.

of females who are giving birth every day and they dont know who is their kids fathe is.

on the news article?

Sorry and i am not trying to move this to a religious topic, but what we have been told by the prophet.

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"A woman entered Hell for mistreating a cat, she locked it , didn't feed it, and even she didn't let her eat from the what it can find out there."

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and this is a cat not a human being.

these people have done a very great sin and they will be punished hardly if they didn't ask forgiveness from God,

even if they escaped in this life, but for how many years ?5 or 10 , 20 or even 50, the punishment will come after all.

But we hope that we can see earth justice for this case, to be an example for others not to do

That would be a lot to hope for one shot... How can these people live with themselves and their conscience? How can they think a human being can be mistreated and abused that way?

in my city, last couple of months a Philippine maid died while she was trying to escape from the sponsor house.

the issue that the guy or the sponsor didn't bother himself to go down and check her or call the ambulance for her.

This case opened doors for a total public rage against this guy, a lot of calls where heard to punish him, even he received a lot of warning letters that the judgment day will come soon and God will take revenge.

i hope we can see this attitude in the Qatari community

and i quote from the prophet and excuse my bad translation:

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"Who saw wrong then he must try to change it by his hand,and if he couldn't by his tongue,otherwise by his heart and this is the minimum level of faith.

and if he didn't he will be like "a mute devil"

Yes one shot - let's concentrate on those 3 points - until one of those 'new fake Muslims' as you call them comes along and turns this into a Philippino bashing topic.

i wish they catch him and bring him to justice, and bring also his wife for covering on a criminal.

and i hope that the law of islam applied on this kind of criminal so others will think 1000 times before they do such an action

If it is the sponsor that raped the girl, they should be made to pay for the child's up-keep for life (education, food, clothes, medical etc etc upto the age of 18yrs). Also the person that raped the girl should be sent to prison for a couple of years.

I am not for any nationality, I fail to see how people can be cruel to a fellow humanbeing.

The Phil. govt. should take this up with the qatar govt.

There are various other issues in mind. however, i may regret later.

God be with us all.

Tcom - you wanna bet nothing will happen against the rapist sponsor? Even after DNA testing?

i can't deny that a lot of people are victims of human traffic and new slavery and maybe you find a lot of Qlers also who are victims too.

for reshimba his comment wasn't on the mother but on the wife which is different issue, it is like he want to direct the topic to another direction not the mother , not the rapist,not the attitude of "the new fake muslims" that we are witnessing in this world.

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let's concentrate on the family who hurt this woman

on the woman who hurt this baby.

on the laws allowed for this kind of slavery

Would be interesting to see what action the Philippines government and their embassy here in Qatar will take to give justice to the maid.

Summerfolk - place yourself in the shoes of that mother and ask yourself how desperate, alone and frightened she was when she realized she was delivering a baby on a flight, being born due to RAPE. Desperation leads to extreme measures and irrational actions.

No one shot, this could not happen everywhere. ONLY in the Middle East. This poor 'slave' was used, abused and discarded. Any women with a decent upbringing and moral values - and in a country where male and female rights are equal! - would just kick the rapist husband out and hand him over to the police. AND justice would be served!

she was so unfair to her new born child, and the worst thing that could have happen is that, the child would have been died if not found earlier..I sympathize more with baby george than with the mother's experienced from her employer. I wish, the child could find a real parents that will never abandon him again.

"LIFE IS BEAUTIFUL"...:-)

don't fish in the dirty water

it could happen anywhere.

i quote from the article.."She said her employer's wife then forced her to return home,.."

i wonder, how his wife allowed her husband to go scot-free after committing such a deplorable act...

does this give a disturbing picture about the rights and social esteem of women in this part of the world??

One thing for sure, this couple should be showing good examples as people that are though to represent peace.

I hope that baby is raised and taken care of properly.

the employer and his wife should be kicked out from qatar

but still dumping a baby is not a solution for whatever misfortune happened to her.Im sure her family will be the first one who gonna support her with all the difficulties she been through.Name the bastard Employer and put him to shame.

so sad to know that she was raped by her sponsor,whoever that sponsor is must be funished and even the wife,where is the conscience here?

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if death become punishment every where for rape, then people will not need longer to commit suicide.